/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Lenna is a good girl.

[Anonymous No.]

Krile was better.

But what made Final Fantasy V so awesome was basically that Bartz/Butz was the best hero ever. Even having his own canon harem.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't approve of the size of her chest.

[Anonymous No.]

What was the best non-Mime job setup?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498464
Samurai with lots of Gil and Gil Throw.

Seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498471
yeah that pretty much makes anything go down like sanae at a gensokyo truck stop

too easy to be fun actually

[Anonymous No.]

Apparently all the monsters and bad guys are jews and are weak against money getting thrown at them.

[Anonymous No.]

Loli end is true end.

Remember, out of the girls in Butz's harem, Krile is the only one he's alone with for any significant length of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498479
I was actually kind of upset that they nerfed it in VI. Granted, it made it more balanced, but, eh.

Oh, well. Building everyone up to the point where they could spam Ultima kinda made up for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498486
Yeah, but I enjoy Faris's route much more. Reluctant princess moe~...

[Crix !!nLvSV/0cRma No.]

so manly

[Anonymous No.]

Agree/disagree: Square should've put some kind of love sim element into the remake of FF5. Nothing big, just something like the Gold Saucer date in FF7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498504
Eh, maybe.

[Brando !SAKUYAGURU No.]

Don't mind me just being the best character in FF5

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498530
Also, granddaughter.

[Brando !SAKUYAGURU No.]

>>6498547
3D pig disgusting

[Anonymous No.]

Does Krile call Bartz "onii-chan" in the JP version?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498565
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498530
>best character in FF5
More like best character in FF period.

[Anonymous No.]

I find Faris to be fabulously erotic.

[Anonymous No.]

All the other FF protagonists wish they were as manly as Bartz and had their own harem.

[ロリあき No.]

>>6498658
he looks bored.

[Brando !SAKUYAGURU No.]

>>6498641
best male character, sure

[LittlePram !!2O65Had5OVQ No.]

Buttz was pretty much a silent protagonist

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498725

You could say this about Cecil, too.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

I thought we liked Faris more.

[Ayashiro !Hime2512LA No.]

Lenna was always better.

[Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. No.]

Rydia > Tina = Celes > Agrias > Faris > Reis > Shantotto > Frimelda > Shelke > Tifa > Ritz > Shirma > Riku = Vanille > Lightning > Ashe > Shara/Refia > Aerith > Fran > Garnet > Beatrix > Filo > Rapha = Krile = Relm > Porom > Lenna > Meliadul > Adelle > Yuffie > Penelo > Rinoa = Eiko > Fang = Quistis = Selphie = Rosa = Edea = Yuna = Lulu = Maria >>>>>> Paine

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500968
Why do people like Rydia so much? Is it because of Meteo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500968
How the fuck can you put that anorexic ditz over Lightning?

You know exactly who I mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500976
LOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLILOLI

[ロリあき No.]

>>6500968
BROOOOOOOOOFIST

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500968
Selphie should be much much higher. BOOYAKA!

[Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. No.]

>>6500977
because the only good thing about Light-san is Maaya Sakamoto
She's more shitty than Vanille and you know it
>>6500976
Maybe because she's fucking awesome?
and sexy
and moe

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500935
Why would Faris have such large breasts if she was supposed to be mistaken for a man? She should be DFC.

[Anonymous No.]

I always thought that Eiko was pretty adorable. The others seemed forgettable, to me.

[ロリあき No.]

>>6500994
>Selphie
>3D
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500976
One part loli.
One part dominatrix.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501000
Tia>Rydia
Deal with it.

[Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. No.]

>>6501028
as much as I love Lufia, just no.
Rydia > Tina = Celes > Tia (new version) > Tia (old version)
Also Milka > Tia

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501016
It's not like she can flip between loli and healthy. Once that part of the game is over, she's got chest tumors forever!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501038
Rydia has the same personality as half of the females in FF
Tia is better in every way.

[Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. No.]

>>6501039
but adult Rydia is a lot better than loli Rydia

[Anonymous No.]

Bartz seemed more into Faris than anyone else.
Like the castle scene when they dance together.
Lenna too was really into Faris.
Basically Faris was the true pimp of FF5.

[Anonymous No.]

So did anyone else get the impression that young Rydia was a small, sickly child?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501039
If you fap to her sprite, you have autism. We are talking about doujins, where you can have her whichever way you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500968
How can Riku be so high, but Selphie and Yuffie much lower? They all have the same exact same personality: energetic cute girl.

[Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. No.]

>>6501084
because I fapped a lot more to Riku than to Yuffie/Selphie
anything else, son?

[Anonymous No.]

FFVI had no strategy to speak of, it was like an MMORPG - just grind until your level is high enough that the enemy dies before you do and spam your strongest spell.

Square cannot into engaging gameplay.

[Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. No.]

>>6501115
what about vagrant story?

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ - The Vidya

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501115
FF X, X-2, and XIII all had good combat systems, but yes they are the only ones. Everything else is spam spam spam, though arguably the character growth is the real gameplay system in some of them (vi, vii and viii specifically, though vi is still the worst.)

The reason square is struggling now is that they literally never learned good game design.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501115
What about "THE BOUNCER".

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501137
Character growth aka grinding for EXP.

Are there any good RPGs where character progression actually means the character changes, rather than just unlocking a new attack that does more damage and plays a longer animation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501147
I would argue those games do give you control over more than just that, though they're hardly the best games at it. I mean, what do you mean by "character changes"? FFviii let you radically customize your stats and abilities with junctioning; it wasn't just the linear path up that most other ff games went for.

[Anonymous No.]

You are ALL small chips in a pot!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501197
aka: teh 1337 equips give da 1337 buffz

Chrono Trigger had multiple endings, but only endings. I don't think I've ever seen an SNES-era RPG (and I played a lot) where the player's actions had any greater influence than getting different stats by slapping on different gear.

[ロリあき No.]

>>6501205
I'll see you and raise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501137
> X-2

stopped reading right there

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501219
Gilder was so awesome in Skies

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501285
Then you're a faggot, because it's one of the only ff games with good combat. What, is the game too girly for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501320
Not him but, yes.

[ロリあき No.]

>>6501320
It's too fucking 3d for me. I didn't start playing RPG's because the combat system was fucked up, hoping the next one would be better, I just took it as-is and went with it. "combat" isn't why you play a fucking RPG.


Newfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501354
>"combat" isn't why you play a fucking RPG.
Holy shit dude, it very much is for the original fans and true connaisseurs of the genre (not me).

I bet you play them for the STORY?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501366
The story is certainly infinitely better than turn-based random encounters.

[ロリあき No.]

>>6501366
Not so much for the story, but for the universe they build, if you understand what I mean.
The stories have ALWAYS been bullshit, they just got worse after square took FF 3d and lost their goddamn roots.

Then they gobbled up Enix and smashed another icon. Right down the drain.

[Anonymous No.]

Final Fantasy V was shit. The characters were shit. The entire game was shit. Anyone who likes FF V is shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501404
Gilgamesh.

ggnore

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501404
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZsvJZ_ivg

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501396
>FF went to shit after it went 3D
Get in line with the other millions of people who think that.

Square is selling to a new market nowadays: the casuals and girl gamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501418
I fucking love that theme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501418
I love Final Fantasy V, but this song is overrated as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501438
nope

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501473
yep

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501438
How the hell is it overrated ?
Shit like One-Winged Angel or Dancing Mad are fucking overrated but not that one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501491
"Overrated" does not mean "many people like it".

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501438
Agreed, I don't consider that song one of the best from FF5. I never listen to it anyway, unlike other FF5 songs.

[Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. No.]

THEY BETTER ADD MOTHERFUCKING GIL-BRO TO DISSIDIA 12

>>6501438
that's not one winged angel

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501491
"Overrated" does not mean "many people like it and I don't".

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501512
I might consider buying it if they do.

>>6501516
Of course it doesn't, I never said I hated OOA or DM but you gotta agree they aren't as good as hordes of fanboys make them out to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501541
Well I wouldn't know, I don't listen to the opinions of fanboys or anybody playing video games really. They all have shitty opinions I don't care about.

[Anonymous No.]

Old school RPGs had 3 parts to them: plot, character progression, and combat.

Plot: someone is trying to destroy the world, let's knock him down with our swords.

Character progression: Ding! Gratz.

Combat: spam ultima for 15 minutes until it dies.

[Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. No.]

>>6501512
and Vivi too.
Because he's just too awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501564
I liked FF1 combat the most. There was a real chance of getting wiped out in quite a few encounters.

[Anonymous No.]

>Faris passed for a man until she had to get undressed
>Japanese fanartists give her tits bigger than her head

Japaaaaaaaaaaaan!

[ロリあき No.]

>>6501610
Seriously! If you didn't build your party right, you were FUCKED.

[Anonymous No.]

FF-style RPGs can't do shit for player skill. If they're "hard" then it means the devs buffed the shit out of the bosses and gave them some cheap trick that renders the player helpless unless he specifically saw it coming (read: saw it before or looked at a guide.)

The real question is this: why did that shitty style keep getting reused so many times?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501631
Because idiots kept buying the games.

I'm an oldfag. At 30, I actually played them as they were released as a kid, starting with the first one. I learned my lesson after VIII and never bought another. Oh man was it a steaming pile of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501618
Problem, pedophile?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501631
I've always felt the same about RPG difficulty. If the difficulty was actually taxing your skills or strategic thinking or whatever, it should be possible for a skilled player, without grinding, to win a boss battle on the first go. But for hard bosses, you first have to go in, find out what it will attack with and THEN form a plan (for the next playtime) on how you will act on that.

That's not strategy.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

How can your butts be mad in this thread with an OP picture like that?

[Anonymous No.]

Go back to /v/.

[ロリあき No.]

>>6501631
My question is- Why do you think that style is shitty?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501662

Square: here's our new game.

Players: you're STILL using this shitty combat system? It's almost the 21st century, fuck your shit.

Square: HAHA I TROLL U LOLOLOLOLOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501675
Because I played through it for 10-ish different games.

There were all kinds of awesome RPGs made in the 90s, FF series just wasn't among them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501147
Why do you want that? Those things are terrible! The idea that a character's personality changes depending on what choices I make is ludicrous. Their personality is what it is, it should be up to the writer to establish that, not me.

Also, such systems mean you will NEVER see every part of the plot or all of the dialogue the characters have unless you replay the game a million times, each time choosing different answers. You like that? Maybe it's my OCD, but I cannot play such games. After playing through a game once, I want to have seen all of the plot.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>6501679
Yeah that's somewhat true. But the same players who say that then go play some generic modern FPS or something.

I always saw FF as one of the lesser offenders personally. Or actually the whole RPG genre in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501753
FPS went to shit after Doom 2. I don't understand why they keep pumping out more and more of this genre, which has been dead for over a decade.

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ - /v/

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501740
I don't necessarily mean that; in fact, I consider that moege style even more trite than final fantasy games.

What I mean is; I want to see more feedback from the game than getting 5% stronger when I level up and having 2 or 3 different tricks I can pull by jewing the stats around. I'd say Final Fantasy V was actually a great example of this because you could very easily mix and match the things you wanted; you could make a melee powerhouse that hit back every time it got hit.

I'd say there are two key things that would impress me, both of which have been commonplace for 10+ years:

-Some form of action gameplay that is slightly more sophisticated than NES zelda without making it a buttonmasher game. Terranigma for SNES was a spectacular example of this (pity it never had an official US release.)

-Some form of feedback in which the player is doing more than just reading walls of text. I really don't like the multi-route style where you're supposed to play the game 12 times, but there could be something like making changes in the layout of the world based on what you do and how you want it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501679
Why call it ff if it can't stick somewhat to its roots? That was the main problem of 12. Make a new damn series if you want something different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501767
Because of multiplayer.

FPS is the bread and butter of meeting friends online while having drunken fun together. They require less spastic OCD action than RTS games yet they actually involve some modicum of thought and action unlike RPGs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501783
So, the ideal game for normals. I wish video games were still for nerds, like when I was younger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501774
It's like serving up a marshmallow in a pile of dinosaur shit, then serving up a sequel that uses a bigger and more powerful pile of shit.

Harvest Moon was the same way. I loved the cutesy social feel of the game while hating the grinding. The games that followed forgot about the social aspects little by little while driving up the grind factor until it reached a power level that would make DBZ characters shit themselves.

[ロリあき No.]

>>6501774
Thumbs up, son.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>6501783
>>modicum of thought
>>drunken fun

I personally see a drunk person giving up on a glorified reading game (AKA a RPG) faster than a button mashing auto-aiming game, but whatever you say.

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6501794
Nah, look at Writers.

All alcoholics.

RPGs are the drinking man's game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501643

I stopped at VIII's second disc, early on. I really hated that game. Unfortunately, that means I didn't try IX until just a couple of years ago.

This was a mistake. It's a great game and I suggest you play it.

[ロリあき No.]

>>6501802
That's a good point.

Makes me wonder how ZUN got into shmups instead of VNs

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6501812
The series was originally intended as a fighter, did you know?

Anyway, he makes the games for himself, really,

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501818
Yes.

I wish there were more developers like ZUN. He wrote them because he wanted them, then after college he continued writing them (the windows games) because he felt like it.

Anything that appeared on a console in the 21st century was made for the purpose of recycling old creativity into new money. It became the new Hollywood; there are plenty of fresh ideas out there but they have no place in the industry while gullible consumers will shell out for a rehashed clone of what we shat out last year.

And if people stop buying it, whine to the government and get a couple of new laws passed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501806
I said it was the last one I bought, not played.

Tried both IX and X and hated them both. Many people liked IX, but I didn't. Maybe I just grew out of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501812
I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but I'm guessing the atmosphere around him was an influence - it generally always is.

TH01 was based on the tried and true pong vs bricks style where you just kept the thing in the air as long as you could. After that he probably hung out in arcades, where the emerging fad of the 90s was shmups. They had existed in some form long before that but it was really only in the 90s that they started getting mind-blowingly awesome.

[Manfred !!UiOrmYiMsJQ No.]

>>6501829
I've more or less given up on Gaming.

I hate how it is, the industry and I only find solace in the random odd thing from Japan or old games.

[LittlePram !!2O65Had5OVQ No.]

>>6500968

[ロリあき No.]

>>6501843
Me too, actually.
Working in the industry killed my drive to game.

[Anonymous No.]

In case anyone is a massive slowpoke and didn't know, Ryukishi07 is wordplay for Dragoon Lenna.

[Anonymous No.]

I think >95% of us can agree that the gaming industry fucking sucks. They over-work their employees yet they under-produce for the consumer. For all the miserable things going on for professionals you would think the big companies would be able to achieve something better than a clone sequel with marginally better graphics.

That's why I only give a damn about older and more obscure games. It's not about being a hipster; I just want something that makes me feel good. If the people in charge don't care about it then I don't see how I can be driven to care about it either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501869
>slowpoke
>weeb slang

Nice meme-mixing there

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501875

Stop being a prick, offhandedly slipping slang into a post isn't half as obnoxious as:

>greentext HEY LOOK AT THAT GUY HE'S NOT MEETING MY STANDARDS FOR PURITY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501869

It's literally "Dragon Knight Reina".

[Anonymous No.]

>>6500000

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501660
Strategy involves forming a plan to achieve a goal (in this case, the defeat of your opponent) based on what you know about your opponent and how you predict it will act and react on your actions. But in RPGs you usually don't know what enemies you'll be fighting and how they'll act beforehand. You can make some predictions ("Well, I'm in a fire cave, so the boss will probably be weak to ice"), but mostly you don't know anything before actually engaging it in battle. So you get wiped out. But, now you know its strengths and weaknesses and you can adjust your equipment/skills/party based on that information, so you can engage it again, hopefully more successfully this time.

So basically you're scouting and forming a plan based on that information. That's exactly how strategy works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501935
The only problem is if you don't save you're fucked.

[Ayashiro !Hime2512LA No.]

>>6501935
>so you get wiped out
Maybe we play different RPGs, but it's generally possible to find out the enemy's weak points and even reorganize the party to some degree in battle. And only an idiot would set up his entire party to only be able to attack with one element, or some such.
That reactionary style of yours must involve a lot of losing and reloading. I'd get annoyed and quit if I played your way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501974
As if all games are the same.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>6501869
I remember on his old old website R07 drew some fanart of Rena (Higurashi) cosplaying as Dragoon Lenna.

Wish I could find it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501935
>But, now you know its strengths and weaknesses
And that's what makes it retarded, because in reality the party couldn't just go in there, first get killed, and depend on simply being restarted afterwards.

It just kills the suspension of disbelief.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6501947
If you ignore the obvious hints that a boss is approaching most games employ (including, usually, the existence of a savepoint in the middle of a dungeon), then you deserve to be fucked.

>>6501974
It was a simplified example for the sake of argument. To begin with, RPG battles are mostly tactical in nature, and you need to be able to adapt to the situation on the fly anyway if only because bosses tend to introduce a new kind of attack once they lose a certain amount of HP.
That said, there are bosses that will kill you withit three turns if you're not prepared.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502013
http://07th-expansion.net/Graphic/Pic/Presents/003Km_Rena_DragAssault.JPG

This one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502016
If that kills suspension of disbelief, so does the fact that you can die, yet restart from where you last saved. You want a 40+ hour RPG where once you die, you have to start all over again?
And how exactly do you propose they change this? Bosses by their nature are supposed to be unique. You can't apply what you learned from the Fire Dragon on the Ice Dragon, because the Ice Dragon will employ different tactics from the Fire Dragon. Thankfully, because the game would be dreadfully dull if it didn't. So then, how can you obtain the information to form a plan beforehand? Some kind of preview function where you can watch some other party of adventurers get hopelessly mangled by it at leisure? That's effectively the same as just getting into battle yourself, except you can't experiment.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>6502037
Oh thanks, I guess he didnt draw it.

I always liked how Rena, Mion, Satoko, and K1 were slightly inspired by Lenna, Faris, Krile, and Bartz.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

Hmmmmmm. This is quite difficult.

Agrias > Celes = Faris = Rydia > Krile > Relm > Lenna = Tia > Rosa > Nobody Else Matters.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>6502192
Oh, and the moon loli witches.

I'd rate them higher than Rosa.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this thread here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502087
>You want a 40+ hour RPG where once you die, you have to start all over again?
I'm not that particular Anon, but that's why I love roguelikes. I truly believe games like NetHack and Shiren the Wanderer are far better RPGs than mainstream stuff like Final Fantasy, simply by virtue of a constant uncertainty and the need to re-evaluate your actions on the fly when necessary (you stepped into a trap, what do?).

The threat of death is very real, rather than a constant annoyance, because all of your progress is at stake (usually with some concessions made in some games). It forces a player to be creative with whatever hand they've been dealt, and to suffer the consequences if they can't hack it. The player's choices have very real consequences.

Now, I wouldn't go on to praise the roguelike genre as perfect. Sometimes the games can be real jerks (throwing you into a poisoned spike pit when you haven't even taken a step in NetHack, for example). They often don't have the universes of JRPGS. They're not the most accessible games. But they are better games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502226
I dunno, it just kind of popped up here. Meido will probably take care of it soon enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6502226
It's because /jp/ = /v/.

Haven't you noticed the this over the past, oh lets say, year?

[Anonymous No.]

Selphie = Yuffie = Rikku > Prishe = Aphmau = Lilisette > Celes > Tina > Rydia > no one else matters

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498486
>>6498658
Don't forget that it is no mere harem. It is a Princess Harem.

Bartz be banging *royal* bitches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6498649
>>6500935


I agree!

[Anonymous No.]

What other character could you bro with then fuck later that night?

[Anonymous No.]

Is the GBA version of FF5 the best version to play or is the original SNES version better somehow

[Anonymous No.]

>>6506143

GBA version has new jobs and the best translation, so yeah, it's the best one to play.

I might wait on a 3DS remake, though.

[Ayashiro !Hime2512LA No.]

>>6506169
>>6506143
>best translation
Among other things, doesn't it call Butz Bartz?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6506214

That's because his name IS Bartz.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6506372
No, his name is バッツ