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647266 No.647266 [Reply] [Original]

Something's been bugging me lately. Just what's the point of Hiragana? Does it really matter whether a word has Japanese or non-Japanese origin?

>> No.647278

protip: conjugation

>> No.647284

>>647266
makes reading a lot easier.

>> No.647315

protip: xenophobia

>> No.647380

I see you trollin, no one can be this ignorant.

>> No.647387

SOMETHING'S BEEN BUGGING ME LATELY. JUST WHAT'S THE POINT OF LOWERCASE? DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHETHER A NOUN HAS PROPER OR NON-PROPER ORIGIN?

>> No.647432

>>647387
WHY ARE WE YELLING?

>> No.647439

>>647432

LOUD NOISES

>> No.647444

Ｉｓ　ｔｈｉｓ　ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ　ｔｈｒｅｄ？

>> No.647447

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>> No.647480

>>647447
Stop using shitty sites to convert ASCII to Binary and pretending to be a geek.

>> No.647485

>>647315
Emphasis

>> No.647494

particles and shit

>> No.647499

>>647480
A guy in my intro to comp. prog. class once identified "binary" as one of the languages he knew how to use. I somehow suppressed my rage.

>> No.647508

>>647499
You suck, if it was me i would have raged full force and jumped clawing and punching at his face. Would have made a favor to the world by getting rid of him.

>> No.647512

>>647499
Heh, I was showing an XML file to someone in my comp sci class, and they started firing off guesses as to what it is. "Is that machine code?" "Is that Java?" "Is that that thing with all the dollar signs?"

WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKIN' DENSE

>> No.647515

>>647508
I think that makes you the one who suck.
Learn to suppress your powerlevel and your rage.
You shouldn't go outside before you have these two abilitys mastered.

>> No.647528

Hiragana exists so that children can learn to read at least some of the language in less than 20 years.

>> No.647533

>>647515
First, how is someone claiming to "speak" binary not worth raging, and what does it have to do with powerlevels? It looks equally bad from either end of the scale.

Second,
>abilitys
RAGE

>> No.647549

>>647533
Raging in the real world only causes you trouble.
You often either end up lying on the floor with a broken nose,or in jail.

>> No.647559

It exists for the sake of simplicity. Originally there were placeholder kanji for purely phonetic usage, I believe they were called manyogana, but thanks to those crazy, magnificent Buddhist priests, we have what strongly resembles simplified, calligraphic forms of these originals.

We've also had a hand in reforming their writing system, as well, the joyo kanji being a result of the Occupations Forces attempt to simplify the language, which allowed it to drop a few seemingly redundant Hiragana and Katakana characters.

Ever notice those old photos from WWII, with the Japanese officers standing on the Carrier flight decks, with all of those ornate kanji behind them? Yeah, you won't find some of those in school curriculum anymore, thanks to us. You will probably learn their simplified forms, though.

>> No.647576

>>647266
see
>>647387

>> No.647619

>>647512
>XML
> "Is that machine code?"
whoever asked that deserves to die,

>> No.647650

>>647619
They don't even know what machine code is. I don't think they know what Perl looks like either. Hell, I doubt they even know Java decently, even though this is a Java class. (don't laugh, it was all they had.)

>> No.647661
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647661

Thats the second chart I've seen that looks like that, whats wrong with my 'Ki' and 'Sa'?

>> No.647675

>>647661
Sometimes they look like that.

Dunno why.

>> No.647676

>>647508
And yourself, thanks due to the Justice System.

Two Birds with one stone!

>> No.647685

>>647661
Think of it like pressure sensitivity. Since line width is important in japanese, standardizing it causes issues like this.

>> No.647715

what's the point of writing with moon runes at all? japan is too xenophobic and too proud to abandon their outdated writing system

>> No.647721

>>647661
It's basically the difference between print and cursive in our alphabet. We don't normally connect our letters, but some people will let one letter flow into the next even while using print lettering. Much the same way, the two are "supposed" to be separate strokes, but are often allowed to flow together. You may also see this occur with い, り, こ (this one appears to be in bad taste, however), ふ, な, and with some of the katakana as well (though much less often with those, as the characters there are more linearly based, rather than naturally flowing themselves).

>> No.647726

>>647675
>>647685

Ah, ok thanks, it was causing a bit of confusion for me.

>> No.648488

>>647715
Wrong.
According to an article i read a few years ago, they had a national vote regarding creating a "new" writing system and scrapping all the old ones (just like the koreans did), however even if the majority (65%..or something) voted "YES" the national history museum was able to pull off a stunt convercing their traditional writing system (according to the museum, the traditional writing system IS japanese history... surely, this is correct to some extent, but it aint helping the country progress _at all_).

I say, stop living in the past, history is just that, history, nothing else.

>> No.648506

With kanji you can read much faster than a completely phonetic writing system.
Only stupid weeaboo gaijin complain, so why should they dumb it down for retards?

>> No.648511

>>648488

What's all the bitching about the writing system about? Are you all baaaaawing that you're too lazy to learn moonrunes? Did you learn Hangul, or why do all people here constantly refer to Koreans, as if they would have learned their writing system, because it's much simpler.

I, for once, like the Japanese (and Chinese for that matter) writing system. It has it's own aesthetic appeal, even if it's less convenient.

>> No.648519

>>648506
Because 'stupid natives' couldn't read it either.

>> No.648523

>>648519

Apparently the rate of illiteracy in America is much higher than in Japan.

Now counter that with your logic.

>> No.648522

>>648519
>>Because 'stupid natives' couldn't read it either.
Bullshit.
Where did you get this from? Did /jp/ tell you this?

>> No.648524

Japanese like to keep their distance from foreigners and assign their words an inferior writing system.

>> No.648533

>>647447
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>> No.648534

Dammit i thought this board was going to be more sane than /b/. So much for that.

Anyway, the hiragana system came first, and only contains the syllables required to pronounce/write Japanese words. Katakana came along later, and contains extra symbols, so they can write words in foreign languages in a way that's more similar to their own.

>> No.648531

>>648523
I've heard rumors that there's more people in America than in Japan.

>> No.648536

If the USA's literacy is measured with the rest of the world's standards and not their own, 20% of the population is functionally illiterate

>> No.648561

>>648534
These extra symbols for extra syllables you mentioned do not exist. The katakana's have the exact same pronunciations as their corresponding hiragana.

>> No.648559

>>647266
maybe the question should be what's the point of katakana?
You could not write japanese without hiragana, it's used for all verb conjugations,
eg. 書く(to write) vs 書いた (wrote)
particles are also written in hiragana, and a whole lot of other words specific to japanese like いる, ある, です etc.

>> No.648560

>>648522
No, some dumb shit I read long long ago(A few months ago). In the distant past, only the rich and powerful could learn to read and write Japanese. With the reform, everyone could (try) to learn it. Including us.

(It was nappy time, slow response,etc.)

>> No.648563

>>648559
It's used for emphasis(sometimes) onomatopoeia, and sum of 'dem gairaigo's. So it's not just so you have to learn English, but in Engrish, to understand Japanese.

>> No.648569

>>648560
In the middle ages no one knew how to write either.
Your point?

>> No.648571
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648571

Wow for a bunch of weaboos you guys really know fuck all about Japanese.

>> No.648576

>>648571

Most weeaboos here are so much preoccupied with keeping their powerlevel down, that they don't know shit (and are still weeaboos).

>> No.648610

>>648571
QFT

>> No.648640

>>648571
When you consider that /jp/ hates japan, it makes sense.

>> No.648693

>>647266

Yes, it absolutely matters that a word is from Japanese or non-Japanese origin. Just think how many homophones exist in the Japanese language, as well as the fact that much of the average Japanese daily life revolve entirely around foreign words, whether they are Chinese-derived or European-derived. Both hiragana and katakana was actually originally a shorthand of the more common kanji that was originally used with its meanings, and now is only used phonetically.

In fact, while not as drastic as an entirely separate set of alphabets, having a different font or typeface for foreign-derived words is very common in other languages. If you look at books published in older days, you will see that words purely from say, French or German were italicised, while Latin words had their own curious font. Korean and Chinese use a slightly different font to differentiate between foreign-derived words as well.

>> No.648813

>>647726
The KI and SA are supposed to look like the ones in the 2nd chart. They are not supposed to be connected, they are seperate strokes. The connected ones are just printed font. Think 'a' and how you write 'a' if you're not a woman

>> No.648932

just suck it up and learn the extra 51 characters. it's still nothing compared to the 80000 or whatever amount they have of kanji. >.<

>> No.648946

>>648932
If you only want to play porn games 1000 kanji is enough to get by. And seriously, kanji isn't even the hard part.

>> No.649121

>>648932
I came to japan to study japanese, they told me the friday I came here:
"Learn this hiragana and katakana by monday"
And I did, just get a fucking pencil, lots of paper, and write them 100 times, then try to read them from ka ki ku ke ko groups, and then all together.
I just don't understand how people have trouble with hiragana. It's like, you're stucked at 0.1% of learning japanese.

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>> No.649146

>>648640
Yes, bunch of pathetic hypocrites.

>> No.649254

>>648932
They have 2800 characters in kanji

>> No.649635

>>648561
Umm.. yes they do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana

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