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Previous >>6335336
Current version: v1.10
Wiki: http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Main_Page
External IP: http://whatismyip.com/
Portforwarding: http://portforward.com/

>> No.6351304 [DELETED] 
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Looking for touhou buddies to play with daily if you have MSN. Add me : sexy_azn_b1tch@hotmail.com

>> No.6351388

GGs. After all those retarded dropped dial A combos and shit, I think I deserved to go out on a win. Even if it was just one. Still fighting to get used to non-buffered inputs and the need for neutral frames to avoid traps though. Ugh. I hate myself for some of that stuff.

>> No.6351395

>>6351042

Thank you very much. Bit by bit you are most definitely doing a few other options. don't you think? It was enjoyable. Rehosting.

>> No.6351404

Oh yeah, is there some trick to make Border Escapes register in Netplay? I have no problem doing them offline at all, but I can't do them for shit online.

>> No.6351423

6351404

No trick really. Just during blockstun, hold back and press the dash button thrice or more real quickly if not twice. This applies for holding forward, down+back, and down as well. In air, it is the same but only forward/back. You will know blockstun when you see your shield appearance.

>> No.6351439

68.59.69.198:7500

>> No.6351444

>>6351423
Exactly what I'm doing and nada. Starting to think I might be too fast with the taps since that seems to be what's fucking up most of my other stuff. Too used to buffering letting me do that.

>> No.6351547

>>6351304
The fuck? Rekenber is that you

>> No.6351743

>>6351439
Welp, I can't touch that Sanae. Good games, Ariokaze

>> No.6351744

>>6351439

Um thank you very much strange name. It was very enjoyable. There seems be less lag.

>> No.6351870

Any earlies up and ready for some?

88.91.64.203:10800 (EU)

>> No.6352036

I am up for some Matches
187.160.140.152:10800
East Coast Go

>> No.6352087 [DELETED] 

How about playing a real game like IaMP?

>> No.6352185

>>6351870
Host down.

Still, have a bump.

>> No.6352312

1.20 patch is finally out.

>> No.6352335

>>6352087
With who? All two people left that still play it?

>> No.6352618
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24.49.2.244:10800 US East.

>> No.6353246

65.31.150.147:10800
US Midwest

>> No.6353431

>>6352312

You know, let's take this troll and turn it into a positive exercise. What would your dream 1.20 patch be?

For myself, I would like

Unrandomized draw orders for your decks: the cards are now drawn in the specific order (left to right, top row first then bottom row) that is listed in the deck creation screen. Obviously, similar spell/skill/system cards would no longer be grouped as they are now, but would be placed in the deck draw order in the order you add them

Utsuho nerfs (Mostly the hitbox size on her 5/4A because mashing out of pressure on wakeup is bullshit)

Meiling buffs (I would *so* love to see her B bullets only cost a half an orb instead of a full one due to their blatant weaknesses, but it'll never happen. Other buffs would be great too, but this one in particular is something I feel would help make up for Meiling's dreadfully poor danmaku and help give her more of a niche)

Alice buffs (Too many specifics I want to list, but the TLDR: Buff Artful Sacrifice, Lemming's Parade, Seeker Doll spell cards. Buff Seeker Wire, Ambush Dolls, and Volatile Doll skillcards. Do something with SP Dolls so using single-doll lasers isn't a complete fucking waste of orbs and time)

And maybe some Cirno buffs, too, but I don't really play her so I dunno where she needs help

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Hosting

71.231.102.17:10800
USWest
Not so good

>> No.6353636
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6353636

What's the best way to handle Reisen? I've been trying to find a flaw I can exploit, but she seems pretty solid all around.

>> No.6353652
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24.115.65.44:10800 US East
Low-Mid tier. Just don't be a fuckhead.

>> No.6353658
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>>6353467
Good games, Mirror. I know it goes against your name, but may I recommend learning one character you particularly like, in order to fare better in soku?

>> No.6353667

>>6353467
>First game: "What were the controls again?"
>After a while: "Yeah, I can't mirror- I can hardly play"
>With Suwako: "FFFF I hardly remember how to control this"
>With Suwako after a while: "I kinda remember... but then again, I used to play Suwako like China, not as a sniper, let's try Marisa..."
>With Marisa: "I can't believe I forgot how to use mai waifu."
>With Suwako again: "Okay, screw this, I'm going to practice some and get back what I once knew."
Moral of the story: Don't quit for over a year and expect to remember how to play at 100%.
Thanks for the games.

>> No.6353714

>>6353246
Whoa damn, your Sakuya is pretty serious. I didn't realize her 3A was that fucking huge, and even after I resolved to not get hit by it, I was still getting hit by it. I gotta start doing that when I play her. I don't know China well enough to begin to beat that...also that one C. Ricochet spellcard that hit me when I seemingly dropped my block the very second it activated? Rage.

>> No.6353727

>>6353246
Good games Panty, your Komachi is a beast. I've never seen anyone do some of the stuff you did; like how you used a white tower sword card after a 66A to do a followup combo and the way you used that Remi card. Also, I think you're the first person I've fought that actually uses blue sky weather. It seems like most people, myself included, forget that it exists.

>> No.6353791

>>6353652

Those were some nice games...Until I got destroyed. Fucking shield pressure, how does it work?

>> No.6353796

>>6353652
Good Games, LoliLancer. A bit laggy, but otherwise, fun set.

Rehosting.

>> No.6354043

so guys, what's the best way to play this? like with keyboards, controllers, sticks.. etc. I was wondering if i should switch from my keyboard to a controller. What do you guys play with?

>> No.6354050

>>6354043
Whatever you feel comfortable with.

>> No.6354094

>>6354043
I play with a keyboard. It's not that difficult to get used to.

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6354171

neo skunk,miko spark or rabbit box awake yet?

>> No.6354196

>>6352618

Hi. Rehosting.

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>>6354171

>> No.6354228
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>>6354219
Why so angry friend?

>> No.6354307
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6354307

71.7.173.159:10800
canada east

>> No.6354330

>>6354307
why isn't it working? and I even bother to redirect from 10.5 as well.

>> No.6354372

>>6354330
>>6354307

Sorry I was making tea, people don't usually join that fast, rehosting

>> No.6354385

>>6353652
Good Games, Kageneko. That Tenshi is still as strong as always.

>> No.6354408

>>6354196
Thanks for the games. Sorry for going into Sakuya spam mode at the end there.

I feel like in the future I should probably leave after a few games if it's clear that it's no contest.

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>>6354408
Thanks for the games. It's no problem lol. At least you didn't give up. You should really block more though.

>> No.6354444

68.59.69.198:7500 ec

>> No.6354469

I'm actually sort of annoyed that Sakuya did better than Remilia since I have like, ten times more playtime with Remilia. I guess if you're in full-on spam mode some characters are better than others.

If far: 214B/C, B, jC, 66C/j6A/22C (Misdirection)
If close: j662A/j6A/22C, Dial-A, B, run away.
Repeat until you have been killed.

>> No.6354525

>>6354043
dpad on controller
keyboard for autistics and stick for faggots

>> No.6354536

>>6354469
just spamming won't do much against a decent opponent, it's better to think about what you're doing. if you think more as remilia, then you'll at least be funner to play and you'll learn faster, even if you do worse. weird concept, ehh?

>> No.6354575

>>6354536
Yeah, I know it's not actually a good way to learn soku, but sometimes you just want to throw a lot of knives. I don't usually do it.

Another flowchart:

Far: C/236C/214C, repeat
Moderate: 66B/j6A/j8A
Close: Metal Wood Sign "Elemental Harvester"

>> No.6354669

>>6354307
FUUU YUKARI

ggz

>> No.6354681

>>6354669
gg I'm glad someone will still play with me I can't remember any combos so I basically just mashed and used the cheap moves that I know have hit priority.

>> No.6354719

>>6354681
>hit priority.
...Idiot.

>> No.6354740
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6354740

I was looking at the soku wiki and seen something about frame disadvantage/advantage, I get in theory but can someone tell me with examples how it applies in game, the wiki doesn't explain that.

>> No.6354761

>>6354740
Frame advantage is typically used in reference to moves that have a quicker recovery than the blockstun that they cause.

>> No.6354790

>>6354444

Thank you very much. The opponent is ec? it is good but it is bad as well. You understand? Rehosting.

>> No.6354799

>>6354444

GGs Ariokize, have to go.

Solid Suika you've got there, interesting way of fighting using mostly small spell cards.

>> No.6354801

>>6354761

Particular attacks using a character of your choice please.

>> No.6354812

>>6354719
never played okuu, huh? or been elbowed by a youmu? this game may not have whatever the true definition of hit priority is, but it sure acts like it does at times. no reason to call someone an idiot for thinking that.

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>>6354740
I'm going to use Reimu for this example, with her fighting Marisa. Reimu's 2A leaves her at -1f disadv on block and +3f adv on wrong-block. Now let's say they both want to 5A asap. Reimu's 5A has a 7 frame startup and Marisa's 5A has 6f startup.
On block, Reimu will be 2 frames too slow to beat Marisa's 5A (7f +1f disadvantage = 8, meaning an 8f move could trade, any faster moves will win). If Marisa wrong-blocked though, Reimu's 5A will win by 2 frames. (7f - 3f advantage = 4, meaning only a 4f move could trade, any faster moves will win)

>> No.6354945

>>6354906
Thanks, how do I find out the frame particulars for each character?

>> No.6355020

72.193.18.172:10800 wc

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>>6354945
If they're not on the wiki, then you need to make use to 2 things. Mauve's frame tools (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Frametools)) and this page (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Attack_levels))
In the picture, there's 2 numbers underlined with green (why they're both the same all the time, I don't know.) 1 is a type A attack, 2 is type B and 3 is type C.

>> No.6355115

>>6355020
rehosting, ggs

>> No.6355122

>>6355115
nevermind, feel kinda sick. will host later

>> No.6355133

>>6354906
And now I'm going to be a spoilsport and point out that Reimu's 2A would leave her at too great a distance for either of them to hit each other with 5A.

>> No.6355139

>>6354307

hostin,

>> No.6355188

>>6354945
If they're not on the wiki, then you need to make use to 2 things. Mauve's frame tools (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Frametools)) and this page (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Attack_levels))
The first number in the Type category is the attack level.1 is a type A, 2 is type B and 3 is type C.

>> No.6355268

>>6355139
GGs. ;_;

>> No.6355327

96.225.211.242:7500

Open to EFZ or MBAC instead, just let me know.

>> No.6355337

>>6354444

Thank you very much. It seems your alice level up after a few rounds? Was it enjoyable? To a few.

>> No.6355381

>>6355337
>>6354444

GGs, very enjoyable. I guess i get used to the game after a few rounds. It always take me a while to get used to a Alice-Suika match though. It's funny the fact that in most of the tier-charts i have seen, Suika is one of the few characters that has low % againts Alice.

>> No.6355444

>>6354945
You don't need frame data to figure this out. If you get hit after doing a move, it's not safe. If you can block, it's ok. If you can keep moving, it's advantageous. Frames alone still won't matter when you factor in cancels and distance between characters.

>> No.6355456

That's enough stroking your ego.

>> No.6355467

>>6355456
I wasn--I just play the game, man. Sorry if it was frustrating, that's never my intention.

>> No.6355534

>>6355467
Don't worry about it. I've had a shitty day.

>> No.6355685

bumpr

>> No.6355912

>>6354812
Not that guy you replied to, but priority basically means who's attack hitboxes have the better advantage in hitting the opponent's hitbox. Attacks which are far distanced from the character's hitbox (say Sanae's default 623b/c in its best frames) will in a number of circumstances have the better advantage in hitting the opponent before getting hit yourself. Then there's spacing. A number of j.2a attacks would be able to hit Sanae while executing her default 623b/c when spaced above/behind Sanae, nullifying her priority advantages at the front of her hitbox, as the attack hitbox in this move won't cover all directions. I.e. it's a bit more than just attack priorities that decides the outcome of the game; as well as utilizing the most advantageous moves in certain situations, you have to space yourself correctly in order to capitalize on those advantages.

That's my personal take on the matter; although it may be faulty or lacking on certain points. Personally I'd say I focus about 50/50 on spacing and priority, althougjh the choice of attacks are more so autopiloting than spacing in my case.

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>> No.6355932

>>6354171
You called?

>> No.6355952

And then there's the frames, >>6354906 is a good write-up. I'm not so hardcore that I've studied all the frames in the game, but taking a look at your main's frames isn't such a bad idea. Otherwise you learn with experience what moves to watch out for in certain situations against certain characters. But if certain attacks/characters make you rage, or just have you puzzled, then taking a look on those specific frames can do wonders.

If you catch yourself yelling "THIS GAME",;save the replay, study what called for the frustration, and hopefully you'll find a logical answer to whatever random bullshit you encounter. Alternatively, ask around what gives.

>> No.6355960

>>6355929
I'm not Tree, though. I'm not even close as being as humorous as he be in my write-ups. If that's what you were getting at..

>> No.6355973

anyone wanna host some games? kinda new

>> No.6355981

>>6355929
Let's EFZ, you jerk.

>> No.6355987

>>6355973
Yeah i'm hostan bro 173.33.81.184 n00b tier

>> No.6356050

>>6355987
lol that aya finish was close as hell

>> No.6356056

>>6356050
Omg was it ever. good matches though. You gotta get used to more projectiles though.

>> No.6356061

>>6356056
yeah and i gotta guard more. that last match i was like oh god he's gonna combo me then the finishing thing and slow-mo and aya was alive. i was like yeah birds!

>> No.6356108

Any hosts?

>> No.6356251

who up?

>> No.6356257
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130.245.237.139:10800
US East
"What is reading my opponent?" tier

>> No.6356344

looking for some games
187.160.140.152:10800
East coast

>> No.6356481

Aw man, my game froze. I'm going to rehost if you want to keep fighting MSY

>> No.6356492

>>6356257
Hmm, it seems that soku froze up on me. Ah, well. Good Games, DarkMageEli. Your Marisa has improved quite a bit since the last time we played. I should also mention that you can probably just dash out of most of my pressure. Most specifically the Utsuho lasers, I see everybody dashing out of those all of the time.

>> No.6356495

138.16.12.244:10800 EC.

>> No.6356504

>>6356481
Nah, I have to do some stuff now anyways. I'll probably be lurking around later, though.

>> No.6356553
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6356553

189.174.17.215:10800 Hosting~
North Mexico

>> No.6356554 [DELETED] 

72.193.18.172:10800 us

>> No.6356573

Did It freeze Krad ?

>> No.6356577

is it me or I am getting too bad for this, its been a while since our last match and yeah I am pretty bad without my pad, I have been trying to learn with Keyboard but sometimes it doesnt respond when i want it, ill host again my bro touched freaking modem and dc me...
187.160.140.152:10800

>> No.6356585

lol ic, I need to do ssomething now though. And yea it shows that your skill isnt as it used to be

>> No.6356632

>>6356257
Good games DarkMageEli! You sure started reading me pretty well.

>> No.6356645

So im using default keyboard controls(as far as I can tell)

Just got the game and

How do you block >.>

>> No.6356649

>>6356645
hol...hold on here
http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Main_Page
go there, read, play alone, then come back

>> No.6356654

Good games Rabbit-Box. Not sure why that disconnect happened, but I'll take it as a sign to stop for the night. Your Youmu is pretty vicious, especially with pressure (the way you use 2A reminds me of Renee. Did you teach him that?)

>>6356492
A bit late but Good Games MSY. I've been working on the dash out thing but I'm always worry about falling for a trap or mistiming the dash.

>> No.6356671

>>6356654
Haha, I definately use the 2A thing on Renee alot, but we'll have to ask him whether or not he picked it up from me.

>> No.6356696

>>6356495
GGs... Sorry I'm so rusty.

>> No.6356709

Good games

>> No.6356723

Hey Renee

http://pastebin.com/PTewSQHE

>> No.6356729

>>6356577
did you dc or what? i'm up for continuing if you come back, otherwise great games. marisa's really tricksy!

>> No.6356773

>>6356729
My computer is being ASS to me
sorry I dc again and i cant run the game for a while
thx for the matches!

>> No.6356783
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68.149.77.142:10800
Canada West, bored low-tier

>> No.6356798

>>6356783
connection failed for me. make sure 10800 udp is forwarded and your firewall isn't blocking it. that said, i was only going to play a few matches before sleeping, but i'll just get to bed now. maybe next time.

>> No.6356810

>>6355327
Rehosting. Low-mid I guess. Still getting used to it again after not playing for a year. I'll play whoever, just don't take it personally if I quit after getting crushed a few times. It's been a long and frustrating day.

>> No.6356851

>>6356783
Okay, trying to host again.

>> No.6356871

>>6356851
I think the lag's on my side, you might want to try again. My connection's been a little off lately.

>> No.6356873

>>6356783
Bah, I guess I'll just have to wait for a host. Sorry about that.

>> No.6356991

Huh. Connection just randomly dropped out. Oh well. GGs anyway.

>> No.6356992

>>6356810
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT.
I was playing that as the last game, fighting with a possibility of win.
GGs

>> No.6357057

>>6356654
>>6356671
Well I did use 2a a lot before but I won't say I didn't learn a thing or two from Rabbit~

He pretty much was my first painful experience so I think I picked a lot up from him >:3

>> No.6357069

>>6356723
WTF is this

You're worse then a woman trapping a man with a baby

>> No.6357099
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99.140.183.178 : 10500
If you're not in America, don't fuckin' connect to me. Got it? -.-

>> No.6357116

>>6357099
lag =.=

>> No.6357118

>>6357099
Yeah, I know. I'll just watch whoever comes to play.

>> No.6357135
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Someone host ;_;

>> No.6357162

>>6357135
im hosting, 99.140.183.178 10500

>> No.6357217

Bumpan for battles

>> No.6357235

>>6357217
gg MSY, u have msn?

>> No.6357238

>>6357162
Good Games. Might want to work on the defense a bit, but then again, I was doing some pretty nice rushdown there, so I dunno.

>> No.6358074

65.31.150.147:10800
Midwest

>> No.6358461

>>6356553
ReHosting~

>> No.6358504

>>6358074
not finding any enjoyment in playing today, ggs anyways

>> No.6358522

>>6358504
Good games. I hope I get a chance to play you when you're in a better mood.

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24.49.2.244:10800 US East.

>> No.6358637

>>6358461
a...u... GG's "lol", i dont know what happened... i'll be re-hosting if you wanna play again
>>6356553
re-hosting

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99.140.183.178 : 10500
Americans Only~

>> No.6358693

>>6358670
rehosted

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Any hosts?

>> No.6358787

>>6358609
Rehosting.

>> No.6358795

Gg @ndy. Do you have MSN?

>> No.6358796

>>6358693
>>6358670
ggs, gotta go

>> No.6358798

>>6358795
no, i have steam/aim/irc

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Playing for like, 2 minutes yo~

69.113.166.16:10800 (US East)

Playing for so little time, I won't even add flavor text!

>> No.6358912

>>6358818

Sorry about that, really gotta run. Ggs.

>> No.6358919

>>6358912
GGs yo~

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>>6358818
Awww, why'd you leave cat?! I still have about 15 mins. Hosting again, hopefully to fill that time!

>> No.6358939

>>6358609
zzz.

Rehosting.

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>> No.6358970

>>6358946
Maybe later, jerk.

>> No.6359054

189.174.17.215:10800 Hosting~
North Mexico

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6359137

>> No.6359264

>>6359137
Fuck off.

>> No.6359388

Hosting at 66.36.159.107:10800 (Canada East) Shitty Komachese

>> No.6359443

>>6359388
rehosting

>> No.6359450

>>6359054
rehosting ._.

>> No.6359456

Eh, a bit too laggy anon, sorry, rehosting

>> No.6359467
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>>6353636
Anyone?

I'm not looking for character-specific strategies, just general advice on dealing with her.

>> No.6359512

>>6359467
Play as Reisen, best way to know.

>> No.6359514

68.59.69.198:7500 EC

>> No.6359598

84.249.245.151:10800 EU hosting,
Shrine Maiden of Paradise flavour

>> No.6359623

>>6359388
rerererehosting

>> No.6359641

>>6353636

Some of her melee range attacks have strange range/hit characteristics. For example her short-range ground laser sweep will not actually hit you if you are standing right next to her head among other things. If you know precisely where to be to avoid her range but bait the player into attacking anyway because it looked like you were hit-able, you can punish for that badly.

It also depends on the deck spec of the player. Reisens using that "eye-cleaning" laser (the one that fucking instantly hits if you're in the beam coverage) or the giant circle pulse attack (forgot the name) can be extremely hard to deal with overall if you are using a char that isn't so good for melee, unless they themselves are not so good at it either in which case it becomes a sissy slapping/blocking fest.

>> No.6359761

>>6359598

ggs whoever you were, you really should consider thinking some while you play, throwing out random attacks will not take you far

rehosting at least for a while

>> No.6359857

>>6359761
Good games

>> No.6359869

>>6359761

ggs, you rely too much on some moves, such as Suika 6B and Alice 6A, they are both quite dangerous if used carelessly

>> No.6359876

>>6359869
Surprisingly I only use those too much in these matches because I almost never use them in previous matches and tried to learn when to use them

>> No.6359925

>>6359054
Good Games, Strat. Those Utsuho mirror matches in the beginning were pretty fun. I should have just stuck with Utsuho, but I felt like using Suika and Yuyuko, even though I'm not too good with them.

>> No.6359933

>>6359876

I see, it's just that you played quite similar to another player of same name I played before so I thought I'd note this time, they also were rather reliant in these, but I guess it was a different person then, they played Reisen too in addition to those two, I guess it's a rather widely used name

>> No.6359987

>>6359925
yesh ! good games... i loved Utsuho matches too !
Hope we play again in some other time
gotta practice that utsuho pressure...
>>6359054
Rehosting

>> No.6359996

>>6359933
Actually it's possible that was me, I used to play Reisen for a while, and I've yet to come across someone else with the same name as me.

>> No.6360231

68.59.69.198:7500 EC

>> No.6360301

>>6353636
don't mash after reisen 66a, high jump the upcoming 236 to avoid chip damage. good reisen's will start mixing 66a into 236 and 5a/2a/etc. if you 6d 5a too much.

don't wrongblock so you can high jump her pressure (pretty sure it requires wrongblocks to stay airtight)

pay attention and figure out how and why her 6a/alt 623 gimmicks are working on you and stop letting them work on you :3

>> No.6360522

Anybody hosting? Perfect Freeze is on non shit-tier internet for a little while being a non-shit tier player, though, is a bit harder..

>> No.6360555

66.36.159.107:10800 (Canada East) Komatits training

>> No.6360674

Complete Touhou fightan' newcomer here with a question;

how the heck can I get this game to recognize my d-pad? I have no problems with other programs such as MAME and ZSNES, but this game forces me to use the analog stick on my PS2 controller, and if I try my arcade sticks which also work completely fine with MAME, the game just pretty much says "nope." Anyone else have this problem?

Trying to decide on a main to. I've been flip-flopping around with Yuyuko, Sanae, Youmo, and Reisen.

>> No.6360680

>>6360555
Komachi sure is living up to her title.

>> No.6360767

ggs K11! that was fun, thanks for the games, rehostan, maybe not as much, a few

>> No.6360789

>>6360767
Thanks for the practice...? Man I'm just not on your level yet.

>> No.6360885

>>6360555
Host bampu

>> No.6361087

>>6360674
Use Xpadder (I recommend this) or Joy2Key for that.

>> No.6361157

one game, uh... well thanks lol, it was laggy... or so I thought, you joined back, kya~

GGs perfect freeze, you really will mash no matter how much I emphasize the fact that you'll get hit on wakeup, uh? lol Well, I got a fantasy heaven in, that was fun.

>> No.6361164

>>6361157
Ayaya, yeah, I have an uncontrollable tendency to mash. Also to tech the same way each and every time.

I thought I had a nightless castle up at the end there, but I didn't. A good way to go out, if I may say so myself.

>> No.6361167

>>6360231

Thank you very much vvav. You are...a interesting opponent somewhat. It was very enjoyable.

>> No.6361177

>>6360231

Rehost

>> No.6361189

>>6360231
GGs. You're a lot of fun. I laughed pretty hard when you played Youmu as a spacer like Iku and didn't put any pressure on at all, but I suppose it says something about me that I couldn't beat it anyway. In case you're not aware, Youmu has amazing stagger strings like 5AA 3A 214B/C. If you put on pressure like some of the Youmus I've seen along with the crazy half screen sword pokes and shit you were pulling off, you'd have a really awesome Youmu. You seem like a fuckin mind reader half the time. You have an inhuman ability to NEVER get caught in pressure, so I couldn't do shit to you with Youmu or Marisa, though again, maybe that's just my lack of practice.

I would've kept going, but no one wants to play against Yuyuko for an hour. Yuck.

>> No.6361219
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6361219

Hosting
60.241.117.126:10800
Au

How do i shot combo tier

>> No.6361266

>>6360231
GGS, seeing some improvement had to quit to ask you to teach me how to in the air, still up for more games if you are.

>> No.6361287

>>6361266

I am always up for more. Rehosting. to in the air? I am confuse

>> No.6361295

>>6361287

when ever i try to border escape i am incapable of any air techs any one i try or combo of you just keep hitting.

>> No.6361299

>>GGs. You're a lot of fun. I laughed pretty hard when you played Youmu as a spacer like Iku and didn't put any pressure on at all, but I suppose it says something about me that I couldn't beat it anyway. In case you're not aware, Youmu has amazing stagger strings like 5AA 3A 214B/C. If you put on pressure like some of the Youmus I've seen along with the crazy half screen sword pokes and shit you were pulling off, you'd have a really awesome Youmu. You seem like a fuckin mind reader half the time. You have an inhuman ability to NEVER get caught in pressure, so I couldn't do shit to you with Youmu or Marisa, though again, maybe that's just my lack of practice.

I cannot really play. I just do my best same with iku. Can't learn combos since I will forget them. I go with the flows. If it makes you happy...I get caught in strong kuu pressure...since I don't play against her much...and...last but not least.
But it was a rare case of soul lasers yuyuko. When have you ever saw one until now!

>> No.6361353

Up For some matches
187.160.140.152:10800
East Coast Average Player

>> No.6361369

>>6360231

Thank you very much kos mos. Air be is supposed to be the same as ground be except no down or up. It's just left/right. The only way to border escape is when your character's shield shows up. It dissappears quite quickly though. So keep that in mind. The games were enjoyable.

>> No.6361384

>>6360231
Rehosting

>> No.6361391

>>6360231

yes ggs can you suggest some noob tier air combos or good way to practice or any other info, I noticed my air have trouble connecting, distance or frame advantage thing, I dunno.

>> No.6361420

>>6361391
You were asking if I was up a day earlier. Did you want to play a few rounds?

>> No.6361430

>>6361384
My computer crashed.

>> No.6361435
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>>6361420
You remembered =3.

Yeah, I hope I have gotten good enough to be a challange.

I can't host though I'm at work

>> No.6361443

>>6361435
174.0.51.137:10800
Hostan Canadia
Measuring Stick Tier

>> No.6361446

I haven't requested a game for so long, has /jp/ gotten to a point in this game where I can't return to?

God I miss being able to play this game, have both players down to a slither of health, and both of them whipping out their final spell cards.

>> No.6361456

>>6361446
Good and terrible players are both everywhere.

>> No.6361472

I saw blue Meiling with the cap, and I thought the star on her cap was a cross, and I thought to myself, "since when the fuck was Eirin a playable character," and then I realized I was a retard.

/jp/ - personal blogging

>> No.6361503

>>6361391

Sorry bruh. I don't know any combos really. Just use what I can with high jumps, blocks, high jump dash button twice forward/backward, and press buttons you know.

>> No.6361517

>>6361353
GGs

Man, over so soon...? Oh well, those were some pretty fun matches. You've done some major leveling up since the last time we played. Kept getting tripped up on the same excellently disguised tech punish. Really was looking forward to seeing what your Sakuya could do. Thanks for the matches.

>> No.6361521

>>6361353
damn my computer crashed ill be back in 30 mins since I wanna eat some cereal
Nice fights altough i wanted to keep playing

>> No.6361524

>>6361443

Sorry about the random crash, the lag might have been my fault too, I'm not 100% fimiliar with the proformace of the connection at my work.

ggz as always.

>> No.6361539

>>6361443
Hmm, a little bit laggy but still some good games KOS-MOS! It seems a disconnect ended those games prematurely there. You definately got my playing your game in those Youmu vs Komachi rounds, but you could have punished me much better for it. Many of those times a simple j.2A would have knocked me out of the air while I was chasing, or even a general j.2A crossup game on offense that most Komachis have.

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6361541

Is it still Rabbit Hunting season tonight, kana kana~?

>> No.6361554

>>6361541
No, in /jp/ rabbit hunts you.

>> No.6361565

>>6360231
gg thanks for the games

soz about the lag

>> No.6361568

Thank you for the games Chiaki.
68.59.69.198:7500 EC

>> No.6361615
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>>6358818
Feeling pretty out of it right now. So my serving of Tea and river water won't be so forced tonight~

69.113.166.16:10800 (US East)

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>>6361615
GGs Cirno, the lag was disappointing, stop all the downloadan!

Hosting again yo~!

>> No.6361749

>>6361568

Thank you very much. That is all. rehosting.

>> No.6361894

>>6361676
Ahhh, DD Rabbit, your bunny seem a lot less aggressive then before, it's still pretty pimp though. I'm glad we finally got to play without much lag, but ggs none the less. Extremely entertaining matches.

Your j8a into special never fails to get me, even when I avoid the j8a. I really do have to pay more attention :(

>> No.6361896

>>6361615
GGs Renee, but I think the lag's on your end. That was pretty aggravating at times and that just stacked up... Ah well. Otherwise, pretty fun.

138.16.12.244:10800 EC if anyone's up.

>> No.6361909

>>6361894
Oh what, no lag, you kidding me? My Reisen's less aggressive because of the input drop, usually after 66A...

>> No.6361914

>>6361896
I've got all my priorities set up for soku, and I cleared all my tubes, but sorry if I was lagging your side in anyway. I didn't experience much lag, It seemed fine on my side (cept for some of the komachi matches and some meiling before).

GGs either way~

>> No.6361925 [DELETED] 

>>6361894
Wait what? Do I have some sort of doppelganger?

>> No.6361922

>>6361914
Hm, it's probably that we're just far apart enough that the client's always going to take a performance hit. It's too bad though, those were fun.

>> No.6361931

>>6361925
At first I thought so much, but rest assured you are the only Box full of Rabbits. He mains the bunny. Not a youmu in sight~

>> No.6361941 [DELETED] 

130.245.237.139:10800
US East
Marisa only, No items, SDM Library only

>> No.6361961

>>6361896
Uh, GGs Cirno, but learning on 8 delay can't help much.

>> No.6361968
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130.245.237.139:10800
US East

>> No.6362007

>>6361749
Thanks for the games, my internet died on me.

I'm not sure whether I got worse or you got better as we played more games.

>> No.6362195

>>6361968
GGs, Eli. I'm a little sleepy though, sorry.

>> No.6362220

Good Games DireDireBunny. I think I'm close to understanding your Reisen but I'm still not quite there yet. Tenshi is another story, I have no idea what to expect when fighting her and kept running into things I shouldn't have.

>> No.6362237
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Pssst, Eli, want to go up against my Meiling and Komachi? :3

69.113.166.16:10800 (Jew Magicians preferred, anyone welcome~)

>> No.6362619

Host bamp.

>> No.6362628

>>6362237
GGs my soku brother!

I secretly think of you as my closest soku opponent. Since I think we started around the same time, or at least I seen you were a beginner when I started. I still think you use too many bullets Eli! I'm pretty bullet stupid when someone is using a lot of them, but I don't know if that'll work on some of the sharper players~

It's good to see you're using your sparks now, it feels so good to lose to such an awesome move~

P.S. I would call you my Rival, but Rabbit already took that title (Don't tell him that though) :3

>> No.6362637

Good Games Renee. Intense as usual. I either ran out of steam at the end or you figured me out completely, as I found the pacing of the last few games much different from the earlier ones.

P.S. Whoever at Tasofro let Typhoon get pass the designing phase needs to get choked

>> No.6362648

>>6362637
Hahahaha, I should have sat back and waited for them to be over huh? We got a whole bunch of those. You might have lost some spark, but I realized that the reason I was getting crushed so hard by your anti air was because I stopped using swirly for cover. Once I started to do it again, I found it much easier to approach you.

Sorry if I was using guard break too much, you'll be a fucking pro at blocking them by the time I'm done with you!

>> No.6362656

Someone at tasofro decided to draw her as a loli anyway though, sort of like how suwako also got loli-ized.

>> No.6362686

>>6362628
Funnily enough, I do think of you as a rival for pretty much the same reason and the constant beatings you hand me after our first encounter just solidifies that sentiment.

>>6362648
Eh no, don't do that. Even though I hate it, I just have to deal with it. Whether my opponents decide to back off during it is up to them. As for the GCs, keep serving those up, I'll get better at blocking them...in a few months. As for the swirly cover, that didn't come to my thought. It seems some research is in order.

>> No.6362691

Haters going to hate Good deal. You should deal with it anon.

>> No.6362881

hosts?

>> No.6363326

>>6362237
Hey, you nigger.

>>6356723

>> No.6363440

bump. anybody.

>> No.6363637

187.160.140.152:10800
Lets play
East Coast
Marisa Tier

>> No.6363698

Hosts!

>> No.6364112

65.31.150.147:10800
US Midwest

>> No.6364200

>>6363326
I was playing Eli with nothing but Yuyuko!

Don't worry, I've already made the switch......

God damn let me get by at least 1 month of child support~

>> No.6364250

68.59.69.198:7500 EC

>> No.6364281

>>6364250
connection failed
I am hosting 187.160.140.152:10800

>> No.6364298

>>6364112
You know, mashing on wakeup and flying to the top of the screen probably won't win you many games.

>> No.6364311

>>6364298
TROLLED XD

I cant believe u fell for dat lol xD

>> No.6364360

>>6364250
Loading times.

Thank you very much 1p. your mashing powers on wake up is strong. It is enjoyable. Rehosting.

>> No.6364377 [DELETED] 

>>6364360
stop talking like you have autism dustbunny

>> No.6364382

76.126.147.239::43300 california

>> No.6364627

Hosting at 66.36.149.104:10800 (Canada East) Komatits training

>> No.6364648

>>6364627
Damn, wanted to be your opponent. Also, just saying, I changed my trip, this is Derpinator.

>> No.6364726

GGs, nice remi there, kinda disrespecful, but hey, it works!

>>6364648
Haha, well rehosting now, if anyone's interested. I changed my trip too! this is bob~

>> No.6364730

>>6364250

Thank you very much 3p. I think you are the same person as 1p? I am unsure of. It was very enjoyable to me.

>> No.6364744

>>6364730
Yes, I am. I quit the first time to change some settings (my game was running slow) and also to change the deck. I was expecting to play against a weak opponent, so I was playing with default deck.
I think I have played against you before, but it was extremely lagged. Now I got a new connection and it's much better now.
Good games, you are a good player.

>> No.6364802

76.126.147.239::43300 california

>> No.6364806

>>6364382
good games. you should stop and think about what you're doing a bit more. block more and try to set up smart pressure instead of playing completely random. respect more of what your opponent does, you ran into everything.

well, that said, i had a lot of fun. you know the basics of the game pretty well, just try to get some kind of actual game plan going.

>> No.6364808

Ggs! My Komachi still can't beat your youmu, uh, oh well~ Sorry I quit, magi's up for some games. kya~

>> No.6364821

>>6364627
Thank you very much KrAd the komachi is very stronger. I fear it will grow in levels

>>6364744
You are a strong player in itself. Thank you for the oppurtunity. Your rushdown made my patchouli very hard to remember on what to do.

>> No.6365114

damn All I could say... I HATE OKUUUS!
like 3 hours? insane
I had lots of troubles with that attacks at the corner, you are amazing
hope to Rematch with you again really soon
Krad out

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>>6364281
Good Games, Krad. After playing 67 matches in a row, I think I need to take a break for a bit. I should really learn how to block low, I can't count how many times I got guard crushed and then spellcard'd!

>> No.6365142

>>6365124
well I save always my replays and I count 66
anyway those were awesome matches
take care, I am going to eat and rest my eyes, my vision is a little bit affected

>> No.6365451 [DELETED] 

Can you use Sakuya's system card to escape pressure, like Reimu's and Komachi's? Or is the startup too long?

>> No.6365547

I haven't played this game since last year, and only started to return back this week.

Requesting host baby don't hurt me no more tier.

>> No.6365569

68.59.69.198:7500 EC

don't hurt me too.

>> No.6365586

>>6365569
Doesn't work.

>> No.6365588

138.16.12.244:10800 EC.

>> No.6365630

>>6365569
Was taking a quick shower. Rehosting for whoever.

>> No.6365634

76.126.147.239:43300 west coast

>> No.6365667

>>6365634
anyone?

>> No.6365774
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6365774

It's probably too late to find anyone from Europe but trying anyway.

85.29.86.2:10800
Finland

>> No.6365779

>>6365569
You lied I told you I forgot everything. Whatever I got dinner now thanks for not perfecting.

>> No.6365783

>>6365569

Thank you very much. Gitah. I need bandages from your beat up. It was enjoyable. Rehosting.

>> No.6365791

>>6365779

But...but...I didn't say I wasn't going to hurt you...just don't hurt me too...you understand...right? enjoy your dinner.

>> No.6365912

GGS DireDireRabbit, Its good to see someone else using reisen, although you need to work on super udonge punch and your move priorities.

>> No.6365923

>>6365912
Well, Kageneko, that sure took off the rust. GGS. Sorry about the delay, I'm still not much use in the mirror. Though I am slowly absorbing your punch gimmicks... One of these days...

And I more need to relearn how to BE. Even the basic 66A 236 family's enough to get at least 2000 against me most of the time...

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24.222.176.57:10800
Testing port forwarding tier

I only want to see if people can connect and how the lag will be, I don't have the time to play but am at work and will be hosting alot tonight if it works. Your assistance would be appriated appreciated.

>> No.6365932

>>6365923
Lol when you get used to super udonge punch (what you call a "gimmick) I'll do a real crossup. also 66a 236b is airtightand when you started grazing I just switched to 66a 22c and smacked you with melee lol. You should use default 22, its amazing

>> No.6365945

>>6365932
since when is 66a 236b airtight? doesn't that mean you can't do any actions aside for border escape during the two moves?

>> No.6365950

>>6365930
It doesn't work or you left already.

>> No.6365956

>>6365932
Ha, I'm not trying to offend calling wakeup teleporting rabbit paunch a gimmick. If I didn't like that stuff I wouldn't play Reisen. I haven't tried mixing it with the fields, but I currently don't have the timing down to use it consistently as corner oki. Getting there, worked a few times. Couldn't do that even when I played regularly.

66A 236B: Yeah, what I should've been doing is HJ right after 66A, but derp, bad habits. Default 22 isn't necessary to punish graze there; 66A or mashy 5/2A catches grazers.

>> No.6365959

>>6365569

It sucks there is lag between us two. Thank you very much Idoll. Chasing you is always fun.

>> No.6365960

>>6365783
>>6365569

Sorry for the few games, got to dinner. GGs anyways, was really funny how i survived to those spells, though i lose at the end.

>> No.6365967

68.59.69.198:7500 EC

Rehosting for lost souls.

>> No.6365971

>>6365959

Indeed, the lag was kinda annoying today.

>> No.6365972

airtight: cant be mashed out of
also gimmick = theres only 1 way to deal with it but if you know its easy to counter. If I substitute the punch with a crossup it becomes a mind game

>> No.6365976

>>6365972
think you're confusing airtight and frametrap :3

>> No.6365981

I think I am confusing them lol

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>>6365930
Fuck, guess the only way i can host is hamachi, does anyone else even use that stupid program?

>> No.6366200

>>6365930
>>6366188
why not just fix whatever is wrong with your forwarding? make sure 10800 is set to udp or both, not tcp. and make sure it's being sent to the right local ip.

>> No.6366201

189.174.17.215:10800 hosting
north mexico~

>> No.6366360

>>6366200
24.222.176.57:10800
Now? ;_;

>> No.6366377

>laggy mexican plays Utsuho
Ya, I'll pass. Come back when you can play a real character, prick.

>> No.6366383

>>6366360
I'm getting nothing.

>> No.6366388

>>6366383

IMAD.JPG

>> No.6366391

>>6366377
i can change to patchy, or Sanae, or wich do you want me to use? ¯3¯

>> No.6366398

>>6366377
yeah, seriously use a real character like Yuyuko.

>> No.6366413

>>6366398
Yuyuko is bullshit too, but she can't mash out A on wakeup for reversal in lag, and she doesn't have a DP that's safe on block, and she doesn't kill in 3 combos.

>> No.6366417

>>6366391
I'll try you again if you rehost. Play whoever other than Utsuho and I'll try to contain my rage.

>> No.6366625

Host bump

>> No.6366633

>>6366413
her 6c makes everything she does safe, no joke. plus, she actually does have a safe dp on block. either the c or b version, but not both (i forget which) of that faggy alt623 thing with 500 invuln frames.

>> No.6366662

>>6366625
are you hosting or waiting for a host kos?

>> No.6366772

>>6366662

Waiting, nothing but hamachi works at my work only used ports are avalibe or and everything is passworded, feels bad man.

>> No.6366807

>>6366633
The only thing that DP is good for is the fact that it is safe on blocks. Otherwise, it has absolutely no use whatsoever.

>> No.6366821

Any hosts?

>> No.6366843

68.59.144.110:10800 EC

>> No.6366915

>>6366843

Nice komachi cats, i can never land that spellcard.

I have also never seen someone stay so close to their sakuya bullet cover.

>> No.6366918

75.18.195.50:10800 WC

mash out of wakeup tier

>> No.6366958

>>6366843

Got to go, ggs.

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>>6365774
That turned out a lot longer than I planned, GGs aki.

Sorry for my inconsistent performance as well as troll tactics like calling forth typhoon whenever I could. I'll blame it on my tiredness and the clock nearing 6AM.

>> No.6366964

>>6366958
Fun games.

>> No.6366967

>>6366201
Wow, that was pretty fun, I have to say. GGs.

I didn't intend to play more than three games and then you countered Tenshi 4card with Tenshi 4card and yeah... Utsuho and Suwako just seem like cheap bob/Imluc knockoffs, but Tenshi's pretty good and something about that Sanae... Much stronger than it looks, between the star cover and Kanako rush... Nothing new, but ouch can you use it.

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>>6366967
Lol yeah... i forgoth what i was doing affter the 20th match...
also i liked that Tenshi vs Tenshi match too...
Good games ! tons of fun even the last one

Thanks for playing with me!

>> No.6366980

>>6365774
GGs, it's a bit late so I'm dropping out. Sorry for my unenthusiastic play towards the end. I'm getting bored of random, so I probably won't use it much in the future.

>> No.6367006

>>6366918
GGZ

>> No.6367016

>>6367006
GGs.

>> No.6367037

>>6366918
R-r-r-rehosting.

>> No.6367137

This thread is done. New one up at >>6367135

>> No.6367258

>>6367037
Did suwako make you mad, its okay I raged okkued at the end too, probably only the 5th time I used her.

>> No.6367268

>>6367258
It's, like, my second time using Okuu online, and like, my twentieth time using Remilia, for all the good that did me.

I guess the only thing to learn from this is that at our level, Okuu is god.

>> No.6367291

>>6367268
But really, I should avoid that in the future, cause I'll never learn an air game or proper combos if all I do is switch to Okuu when I lose. Good games.

>> No.6367294

>>6367268
I don't hold okku in high regard, she is pachy and yu-yu tier to me, just got mad and mashed, thats all you have to do with them.

>> No.6367316

>>6367294
I don't think anybody does.

Although apparently there's a player here with an actually god Okuu.

>> No.6367382

>>6367316

Sounds bad man, I get my ass kicked bad enough as it is, does anyone have their IP memorized?

>> No.6367402

>>6367316
>>6367382
If you kids are talking about bob, he has a dynamic IP.

>> No.6367633

>>6367382
>>6367316

profileIP/bob51. Those two are good Okuu players, all other Okuu's are probably button mashers or garbage.

>> No.6367710

Hosting at 66.36.149.104:10800 (Canada East) komatits training

>> No.6367715

>>6367710
>>6367633
Derp, I could play okuu, I guess.

>> No.6368592

>>6365972
>If I substitute the punch with a crossup it becomes a mind game
what the fuck am i reading

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