/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

>Long ago, before she became immortal, she was the daughter of an aristocrat. She wasn't allowed to go out in public, so it seems that she wasn't a wanted child

>She has hated Kaguya ever since the moon princess humiliated Mokou's father by turning down his marriage proposal after he failed her trial of the Impossible Requests

Oh mokou, you so crazy

[Anonymous No.]

she also hates kaguya because kaguya is XENOS FILTH!
WE SHALL PURGE THE XENOS WITCH IN HOLY RIGHTEOUS FLAME, THEN CAST HER TWISTED FORM INTO THE WARP. LET THE DAEMONS FEAST ON HER FLESH

[Anonymous No.]

Does KANE know about kaguya?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315126
That's why she's so loved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315126
What's wrong with the father? Why did he leave Mokou's mother? Did she die?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315264
I think Mokou was an illegitimate child? Maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315264
She was just born Albino. She was a legitimate child.

[Anonymous No.]

Give mommy a hug, mokou~

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

>>6315293
>Albino
she's has black hair before drinking the elixir

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

>>6315302
had*

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315293
She wasn't born an albino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315298
burn, BUUUURN!!!

[Anonymous No.]

anon discovers canon.

my face when people think Mokou is albino

[Anonymous No.]

you're too cool for that bird, mokou

[Anonymous No.]

Did she always have phoenix powers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315302

Really?

Where is this stated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315441
I'd guess, "no," but there's no proof either way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315465
ZUN's drawn pictures of a young Mokou. I don't have them on my computer, but you could probably find them on the touhou wiki or something.

[Anonymous No.]

Mokou LOVED her father. Discuss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315441
>>6315469
You can't be that stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315478
she just wanted a loving mother

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

inb4 mokou is a pheonix bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

Craziest theory I heard

>Mokou fused with a phoenix for immortality some time after consuming the elixir or even right after
>Mokou is now double immortal

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315813
>double immortal

[Adolf Hitler loves !RUMIAxIXcU No.]

>>6315813

Does it really matter that you are double immortal?

I mean, you can't dies because you are immortal the first time, but being made immortal again shouldn't have any real effect.

Unless we're talking touhou anime "double Hourai elixir" retarded crap

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315813
What if she just fused with the phoenix so she could toss fireballs at people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315835
That's what I asked, then the guy replied with, "Nope she did it just in case Eirin came up with some sort of anti-hourai elixir."

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315847
Ah, so it's not so much having double immortality as having two sources of immortality in case one source gets compromised.

...So what happens if Eirin creates an anti-phoenix elixir?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315862
Then shit just gets real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315862
>...So what happens if Eirin creates an anti-phoenix elixir?
How are we suppose to know?

[Anonymous No.]

Mokou slept with eirin to get the elixir ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315870
I prefer MokouxKeine but pragmatists tend to live longer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315875
I prefer MokouxUdonge

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315465
Cage in Lunatic Runagate. Story by Zun and art by Tokiame.

See the picture? It's from CiLR. Notice the left Mokou. That's younger Mokou.

Also, no height difference from then to now. Little girl is still little girl. She just got longer hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316038

oh god she's adorable

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316038
Mo..Mokou?? That's my Mokou??

Get away from me, normal child! I wanted a special albino child, not a thirteen in a dozen one!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316105
Technically, the white hair thing was a fanon creation. Zun's always had her as having very light violet hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>until eirin makes an anti-elixir
immortality doesn't work that way. it wouldn't be an immortality elixir if you can negate it

[Anonymous No.]

It's simple. She probably wasn't loved by her father and felt terrible about it. She couldn't direct the hate at her father, so she used Kaguya as a hate-object for her miseries. When Kaguya humiliated Fuhito, it was the perfect opportunity to let that bottled-up steam out.
She persuited Kaguya, and later became immortal while she was at it. It's ironic that her rage is what made her live forever, even though it was all misdirected. She can never get her revenge, because it isn't really Kaguya who made her miserable in the first place; it was her one and only father she defends so dearly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316195
I don't like this idea. I much prefer Mokou defending her father's honour because she loved her father so much. It also works to explain her tomboyish nature (she grew up with her father only, because her mother died or otherwise went away, and that's why her father was pursuing a woman not Mokou's mother).

Your idea sounds terribly cliched.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316117
Why not? It's the person who can't die. Nothing says you can't revoke immortality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316696
It's philosophical. You wouldn't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315126
What better way for an unwanted child to bring glory to the family than secure the prestigious marriage your father was unable to attain?

Succeeding you, father.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316699
Mokou won't succeed anything since there wouldn't be any offspring, so the family line would die with her.

By being gay, Mokou has destroyed her father's last hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316698
Philosophy has fuckall to do with the practical applications to alchemy and effects thereof, which is the realm of the scientific.

Immortality has a specific effect, that the individual affected with immortality can't die. If the immortality effect is removable, it is removable, and therefore after which the individual can now die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316696

>Why not? It's the person who can't die. Nothing says you can't revoke immortality.

The very nature of the word does.

Not-mortal.

Translation: cannot die. Dying is not an option. Under any circumstance, will not die. The concept of an immortal's death does not exist. Shiki can't kill Mokou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316713

If the immortality is "removable", then they're not immortal in the first place, just very hardy under certain conditions.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to marry both Mokou and Kaguya and cure them of their dislike for each other through the power of my cock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316737

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315126
Mokou is just jealous of her social betters and females more attractive than she is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316713
Philosophy has everything to do with it. The premise is this: if someone is immortal, and at any point in time is there a chance (no matter how cosmically small) that the immortality is removed, then given infinite time, it will happen. Or will it? That's the philosophical question here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316195
>>6316669
Actually, now that I think about it, both ideas could be combined. I'll keep that in mind for my Mokou/Kaguya manga I'll make one day.

[Anonymous No.]

You do know that noble women in ancient Japan were basically forbidden to ever go outside and it was up to the male nobles to go visit them?
It has nothing to do with being unwanted or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316730
>>6316732
>Under any circumstance, will not die
Yes, while immortal, they cannot die.
Here's a circumstance for you: they're no longer immortal. Can they die then? Well, yes. They're no longer immortal.

>>6316741
With infinite time, anything MAY be possible but doesn't mean it will happen. Imagine infinite time in absolute vacuum. You can't do anything because there's nothing to manipulate. Thus, it's perfectly possible to be immortal (live forever) in that circumstance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316756
Infinite is not just some inconceivably large number. If something has even the smallest possibility of happening, then given infinite opportunity, it will. Otherwise, mathematically speaking, it must have zero chance of happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316795

I was thinking about this recently. This would mean that Gensokyo exists somewhere in space/time. All we need to do is discover time travel and we will be able to go to Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316799
This would be true if space and time were infinite. It is very much believed they are not.
Won't stop me from imagining Gensokyo is out there too, though.

[Anonymous No.]

Read the Kaguya-Hime classic japanese tale and all problems solved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316703
>the family line would die with her

I don't think you really thought that through.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316746
While you're at it check this guy's idea too.
>>6316737

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316795
While infinity is, yes, without limits, as >>6316807 said, that does not
>imply
that infinite time equals infinite possibilities.
1 multiplied by 1 multiplied by 1 multiplied by 1... and so on.. infinite times will not equal anything but 1.

As such, there's no reason to believe just because something is capable of happening, doesn't mean it WILL happen given infinite time.

If the procedures to set it up a cure for immortality are complicated enough, it's perfectly possible for it not to be created at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316929

Get your shit straight. Stochastic does not work that way.
Calculating the expected value of the dispelling of Hourai elixir in an environment where the probability is the same at any time is a Bernoulli-experiment with n stages.
So the expected value μ = E(X) = n * p
With n being the number of tries and p the probability of it to happen.
Inserting ∞ will make μ > 1, given p ≠ 0

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>6317144
Bend over, Mokou. When Keine says that's what happened, then that's what happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6317150
Context, bro. She's saying it as a metaphor.

[Anonymous No.]

The daddy thing is an excuse, she just wanted to get closer to kaguya, d'awwwwwww

[Anonymous No.]

>>6317158
Or is she?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6317177
Yes, she is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6315760
>>6316699
>>6315870
>>6316703
>>6317168
Daughter, Im dissapoint

[Anonymous No.]

>>6317184
You just never know with Keine. What is just her opinion one moment may be how it officially went down in history the next. Is what Mokou remembers even what really happened? How many times has Keine altered history already? What if everything Mokou believes occured was just a lie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6317121
>>6316929
Another way of saying it is that the possibility of 1*1 outputting anything other than 1 is zero, so it is not relevant. If there were a 1 in googolplex chance of your calculator screwing up the output, then if repeated endlessly over infinity, the calculator will give an infinite amount of correct and incorrect answers both.

[Anonymous No.]

badump

[Anonymous No.]

Why didn't Kaguya's hair turn white after she consumed the Hourai elixir?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318544
Because she didn't jump in a volcano and was chased around by humans for a thousand years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6317197
Keine is not the type to screw around with history just for the hell of it. She's far to responsible and mature for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318583
Eh, bad choice of words.
Mokou just had stress for a long time, while Kaguya took it easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318588
Don't tell me, history has proven so, hasn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318544
Kaguya manipulates eternity, thus she has eternally black hair. L'oreal can suck her dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318645
> L'oreal can suck her dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318659
Sup Ripley?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318681
wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318685
Oh right, she's the alien.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318694
right

[Anonymous No.]

>>6318633
It has.

[Anonymous No.]

mokou's jelly of kaguya's breathtaking beauty

[Anonymous No.]

I think I've seen Mokou paired with everyone in IN except Tewi.

I guess bitches don't like the company of other bitches?

[Anonymous No.]

I have this fantasy about knocking up both Mokou and Kaguya, and then find out shortly after birth their children share the same father and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6319840
Mokou's actually a dude (or a butch dyke). Just sayin'

[Anonymous No.]

>>6319908
You have bad taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>6319908
Mokou is KANE's boyfriend

[Anonymous No.]

>>6319840
And Kaguya's jelly of Mokou's tolerable personality.

[Anonymous No.]

Either way, this will happen zun or later

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320005
Mokou, you dunce, confess!

[Anonymous No.]

Where does mystia fit in all this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320024

Are you asking where the pairing came from, or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320024
i would like to know this too

was it all from that mitsumoto comic?
or is there something else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320026
yes, enlight me

[Anonymous No.]

>>6316929
>If the procedures to set it up a cure for immortality are complicated enough, it's perfectly possible for it not to be created at all.

From a quantum point of view, if it's possible and given an infinite amount of time to happen, it will absolutely happen. But that's beside the point. The important note on this topic is, it wouldn't be immortality if a cure or negation can exist.

>Yes, while immortal, they cannot die. Here's a circumstance for you: they're no longer immortal. Can they die then? Well, yes. They're no longer immortal.

On the contrary, that would still be mortal in the first place because death is still possible. The meaning of immortality means "not liable to death", meaning the very nature of immortality means it cannot be 'removed'. After all, that's why it's immortality. Anything else is just an extended life, not an eternal one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320040

I'd post the link to the sereis, but Danbooru's down.

Basically, an artist by moniker Mitsumoto did a series called Night Sparrow Love, wherein due to a few changed circumstances (Mokou does Charcoal instead of Yakitori, Mystia isn't a Sapiophobe) Mystia falls in love with the girl who brings her charcoal every month.

This is, of course, Mokou.

The story's a little contrived, but it's a decent read, and the artstyle is very good. Just google the name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320034
Pretty much, yes.
Besides that, they both run food stands, and Mystia started hers in protest to Mokou's, and...that's all I can think of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320046
so Mokou would is the human that lived forever....
of course, even the end of the universe wouldn't kill her. After all, she can't die.
It must drive her insane, I wonder how long she'll last before she'll loose her mind? I don't think the human mind can take it, the fact that she kept her sanity is already a miracle in of itself.
As for Eirin making a cure? Well, since it's an immortality elixir, I'm sure she made sure there was no such way to cure it. If she really intended it to be the elixir of immortality and if her name "mind of god" is true, she would have taken every precaution.
Boy, Mokou... are you lucky or what? I'd like to think so.

[Anonymous No.]

night sparrow love is a pretty sweet comic
heck it made my a root for a coupling that made no sense to me initially.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320046
>>Now, Mokou and Kaguya kill each other on a daily basis. She was extremely surprised to discover Kaguya in Gensokyo and so close to where she lived. It's no wonder, though; Kaguya left the Hourai Elixir, one of the moon's most classified secrets, on Earth. She could never expect to return to the moon in peace. Kaguya also had to run. Mokou felt relief beyond what she had ever experienced - Kaguya was in the same mess she was!

>>Mokou still detests Kaguya, and Kaguya still tries to kill her, but neither of them can die forever. These are wonderful days... This broken place is truly a paradise!

Amusingly, while they cannot die they can still be killed. Immortality for the Hourai users means never staying dead rather than being able to survive any kind of damage.

Also, I personally think Mokou just uses the phoenix motif to go with her immortal status similar to how Sakuya has 'Killing Doll' and Chen has Red and Blue oni as a spell. It has no real deeper meaning or anything.

It might also symbolize how she nearly died before being rescued by that guy (who she killed) and then being reborn as an immortal (near a volcano no less).

Where her fire powers came from? Who knows, a thousand years gives you a lot of time to learn magic I suppose.

[Anonymous of Austria No.]

>>6320034
IIRC, torinone was the one who made okamysti popular, though more often paired with Alice than Mokou.
Mitsumoto picked that idea up.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think Mokou cares about the whole "Kaguya humiliated my father!" case. If anything, her actions seam to indicate that it's mostly behind her.
She still hates the princess, though. But not to the extent where she'd go out of her way to assassinate the Kaguya. Her actions seem to indicate that she doesn't have any sort of grudge against the other folks at Eientei, either. She doesn't talk much to normal folks, either.
Overall, she's a really cool person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320024
good end: KANE
best end:kaguya
bestest end: Mystia
bro end: Tewi
wtf end: udonge

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to remember that single comic I read where Meiling turned out to be the Hakurei Shrine God, and Reimu's ancestor.

Turns out she'd turned human or something (Usual Meiling = Dragon shite) and became a shrine maiden to help make Gensoukyo while her dragon husband and Yukari built the great barrier. Gave birth, raised the Hakurei line, fell asleep as a dragon under the misty lake.

Got woken up by Yukari again so she could contain the Vampires (Their condition for staying in Genk was to be under house arrest) as their gate guard, and engineered the Scarlet devil incident so that Reimu could tame them and let her take it easier. Hence why Meiling was a mid boss that led you to the Mansion while you were still lost in the mist.

Anyone remember it?

[Anonymous No.]

is it me or does mitsumoto's mystia kind of give off an effeminate shota feeling?
i dunno she just kind of reminds me of the shota from secret journey for some reason
not that thats a bad thing....

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320107
"Hahaha, that's not me!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320107
well centuries of being a loner can't do good to one psyche

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320096
>can't die but can still be killed
>dies and resurrects

no no no... it's "cannot be killed BECAUSE she doesn't die" and "resurrects because she can't die"- opposed to die and come back to life
It's pretty strictly said in that field.
The Phoenix is the symbolic nature of her renewal contrast to her resurrection. I think she learned her fire powers from the years of desolation and fighting youkai all on her own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320126
If Kaguya completely destroyed Mokou's body and then used her eternity manipulation to keep Mokou from resurrecting, would Mokou be alive, dead or both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320148
Her powers are so vague that we have no clue.

You'd think 'Power of Eternity and Instantaneous' would be leagues ahead of 'Manipulation of Fire' (as opposed to complete control, remember, she couldn't even put out a damn fire).

Maybe Kaguya just enjoys her...actually yeah, that's pretty much official that Kaguya enjoys spending time with Mokou (and vice versa).

If Kaguya really got pissed though I'd be more worried about the other vague power user on Mokou's side. Power to eat history and power to create history? Why that's just vague enough to be broken!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320148
neither. A given moment when all of her is obliterated does not exist because she cannot die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320167
I meant completely destroy the BODY, the soul can still be there, which somehow gets a new body, don't ask me how.
So in that one instant.

>>6320163
I didn't mean that as Kaguya > Mokou either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320200
isn't being body-less equivilent to being a ghost/dead?
Mokou said it herself she cannot do that, so it's irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320108
>wtf end: udonge
fuck you, that's awesome

[Anonymous No.]

Can mokou go supernova?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320362
Yes, Mokou/Reisen is my OTP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6320046

No it's...weird. Not even Yukari can touch it. Nothing can remove it from them.