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6286869 No.6286869 [Reply] [Original]

Is Ms. Gradient Hair cannonly super powerful? I've been doujins with her and she always seem to be beating Yuka and Yukari in them.

>> No.6286872

Touhou powerlevels
No definable canon

deal with it

>> No.6286878

>Canon
>Touhou
Haha, right.

>> No.6286879

>>6286869
Take your secondary bullshit back to pooshlmer.

>> No.6286886

>>6286879
Fanon is derived from (the sparse) canon. I'm just wondering if there's any justification for it.

>> No.6286899
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>> No.6286902

>>6286886
not really

>> No.6286903

why does everyone think she has gradient hair

>> No.6286904

If I'm not mistaken, she stated in UFO that she's fighting all-out. That is not the case for Yukari in PCB phantasm. Now which fight was more difficult?

>> No.6286907

>>6286903
because she does?
play the game

>> No.6286910

>>6286886
Canon powerlevels in Touhou are determined by whoever has the longest argument and the most patience at the time.

>> No.6286915

>>6286904
If you go with that logic, Remilia is one of, if not THE strongest Stage 6 boss.

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>>6286899

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>>6286917

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>>6286915
Aren't Vampires suppose to be the strongest monsters in the touhouverse?

>> No.6286929

>>6286924
can you put it on mediafire/mu?

>> No.6286930
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6286930

Stop corrupting and twisting Byakuren's ideals!

>> No.6286932

Still common Yuyuko would be strongest her ability to instant kill anyone. Only Kaguya/Mokou would stand a chance with her

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>>6286924

>> No.6286939
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>>6286930
It's all about EQUALITY!

>> No.6286945

>>6286932
Yuyuko can only insta-kill humans.

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>>6286939

>> No.6286950

>>6286947
Pfffft, what the fuck is that?

>> No.6286951

>>6286945
Can invoke death in mortals
Youkai are moral i suppose?

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Byakuren begging for mercy.

>> No.6286969
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>>6286950
A Youkai of course.

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>>6286969

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>>6286981

>> No.6287009

>>6286951
their death is different

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>>6286999

>> No.6287019

can someone give me a mediafire link of this?

>> No.6287020

>>6287009
well yeah for example Yuka or fairies can't really die like normal human, but she can "kill" them, it would mean her victory in battle.

>> No.6287026

Touhous can beat other touhous depending on who is getting raped at the time

this is why we see Cirno defeating Suwako ect.

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>>6287029

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>>6287041

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>>6287093

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>>6287110

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>>6287117
So, why was Ms.Gradient Hair sealed?

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>>6287121

>> No.6287130

>>6287105
>>6287110
>>6287117
>>6287121
>>6287126
You lost me.

>> No.6287136

>>6287121
Because she is fucking evil/insane. Coexistence does not mean that youkai have the right to eat humans.

So in the end, she caused even further bloodshed than if she did not try this shit.

>> No.6287151

>>6286929
http://www.mediafire.com/?zjmjtzzm1lz

>> No.6287155

>>6287136
Wait, is that canon?

>> No.6287164

>>6287126
So is there anymore of this or is that the end?

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>Seal her up.
>Overlook the whole thing.
>Take her home.

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>>6287164
Looks like there is a sequel out there that continues the story with a retelling of the UFO plot, but I don't think its been scanned yet.

>> No.6287178

>>6287155
They didn't seal her in Hell/Makai for a thousand years just because they felt like it, you know?

Byakuren is like a Jesus who preaches about love and peace and letting jews suck your blood out of your eyes.

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>>6287126

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This is what happened to Byakuren while she was sealed away in Makai for hundreds of years.

>> No.6287182

>>6287155
>Canon: Don't worry, Byakuren is really a nice person! - ZUN

>Secondary bullshit: LULZ SHE IS SO DARK AND EDGY and EVUL LIEK ME XDD - Strip Pattern

This is why fanfiction is shit.

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>>6287136
Her ideal isn't that there should be coexistence between human and Youkai. It's that all should be treated equally. In other words if one side treats one like animals so should the other.

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>Superhuman 「Hijiri Byakuren」

>> No.6287197

>>6287020
sup suigin? Want to explain this twisted thing for Yuka? Since when Yuka has fairy "properties"? Or it's just "I want it to be like that because I like such character"?

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>>6287186


>>6287182
She's nice now. She was still sealed by humans for causing shit.

>> No.6287204

>>6287155
Depends if you trust Shou's dialogue in the game, since she seems pretty adamant that Ms. Youkai Jesus as been sealed unjustly.

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>>6287211

>> No.6287218

>>6287178
Considering humanity, yes, the certainly could have sealed her away for no real reason. People have been killed for far, far less.

>> No.6287219

>>6287197
that aint me, battler

>> No.6287222

>>6287186
They already treated each other as monsters. Youkai saw humans as livestock, and humans saw them a dangerous beasts. With that kind of mindset cooperation was downright impossible.

>> No.6287224

>>6287222
And Byakuren tried to change that mindset.
It didn't work.

>> No.6287225

>>6287219
well, at least you made me smirk.

>> No.6287230

>>6287178
>In my time as a human, because I could use strange powers, people hated me, and in the end, they sealed away me down here.

>Hijiri is a holy person. As far as I know, she is the most exemplary human with the most compassionate heart. Because Hijiri sought the power of Makai, some foolish humans sealed her away.

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>>6287249

>> No.6287261

Someone needs to post the sequel doujin with Nue punching out Hijiri. I would do that, but I don't have access to my regular computer for a few hours. It's on Gensokyo.org's front page right now.

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>>6287222
Yeah and she's treating both sides equally here. He doesn't give special treatment just because one side is human and one side is Youkai. It's why she destroyed the temple when Uzan asked for help.

>> No.6287276

>>6287230
She whored herself to youkai and unholy magic. Then she went trying to convince people to "cooperate" with Youkai. And you wonder why they sealed her?

We only hear the youkai side of this. We have yet to know what humans inthat time had to endure.

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>>6287274


>>6287230
A person helping man eating Youkai's would be called a saint from a Youkai.

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>>6287283

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>>6287293

>> No.6287300

>>6287283
>A person helping man eating Youkai's would be called a saint from a Youkai.

Except her stage title indicates that she's overcome the Eight Sufferings. If you weren't completely ignorant about Buddhism, you would be aware that you can only do this as a human.

>>6287276
>She whored herself to youkai and unholy magic.

Just like Marisa did, right?

Fucking secondaries.

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>>6287297

>> No.6287303

>>6287276
>We have yet to know what humans inthat time had to endure.
True. However, the absence of accounts from the human side does not mean you can say whatever you want and call it truth.

>> No.6287306

>>6287297
So have them eat cows or chickens. They are so damn stupid the barely even care about their own preservation.

>> No.6287313

>>6287300
>Fucking secondaries.

Says the idiot who didn't bother reading his lore.

>> No.6287314

>>6287182
Stripe Pattern's interpretations are obviously not canon. Byakuren is not a sociopath, and Sanae and Aya are not angry and depressed all the time. There are many different takes on Gensokyo; deal with it.

>> No.6287321

>>6287313
Elaborate.

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>>6287300
What would her being a human have to do with a Youkai calling her a saint because she helps Youkai?

>>6287301

>> No.6287330

>>6287300
Being called a saint is just a title. She can still overcome the eight sufferings.

>Just like Marisa did, right?
I don't think Marisa used unholy magic or helped youkai eat people.

But if you want I can pretend to be mad at you calling everyone a secondary because they don't know as much about a series of magical little girls fighting as you do.

>> No.6287332

>>6287313
See:

>In my time as a human, because I could use strange powers, people hated me, and in the end, they sealed away me down here.

>Hijiri is a holy person. As far as I know, she is the most exemplary human with the most compassionate heart. Because Hijiri sought the power of Makai, some foolish humans sealed her away.

>Don't worry, Byakuren is really a nice person!

>> No.6287338

>>6287300
>she's overcome the Eight Sufferings.

She doesn't look quite dead to me.

>> No.6287343

>>6287332
Shou saying something does not mean that it is true or that ZUN has declared it true, it means Shou thinks it is true.

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>>6287326


>>6287306
Chickens and cows are actually more intelligent than dogs. They want to survive they just can't do anything about it. Besides, not there natrual diet. She's not forcing humans to change what they eat, she's not going to force Youkai.

It's about EQUALITY.

>> No.6287348

>>6287321
Byakuren was afraid of death and age when her brother died. To counter this, she began to research on youkai and black magic. Her exposure to youkai at first was out of necessity/greed, and began to see their side of things because she is now a fucking youkai. You know, like how an aged mage freaks out about how he is about to die and starts to research lichdom, which is by itself pretty fucking evil.

Also, Marisa, as a witch, is also at risk of becoming a youkai/wizard herself.

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>>6287301
>>6287326
Wow

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>>6287347

>> No.6287364

>>6287348
What's wrong with becoming a Youkai anyway? It's not like you have to slay a thousand babies or whatever ridiculous evil shit you have to do to become a lich.

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>>6287357

>> No.6287380

>>6287348
I know that. I was referring to why you thought >>6287300 didn't read his lore.

>> No.6287391

>>6287364
The rituals to become a lich are described as very evil. Probably they involve human sacrifice, soul devouring and courting demons.

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>>6287373


>>6287300
>she's overcome the Eight Sufferings.
Yeah, hence why she doesn't feel bad about doing what she's doing.

>> No.6287405 [DELETED] 

>>6287326
>What would her being a human have to do with a Youkai calling her a saint because she helps Youkai?

In Buddhism, a person who's overcome the Eight Sufferings is a Saint. Youkai might call her a Saint, but by no means does that preclude her from being a Saint in human terms as well.

>>6287330
>I don't think Marisa used unholy magic or helped youkai eat people.

1. The dialogue from the game doesn't suggest that her type of magic is any different than the kind Marisa wields; quite the opposite in fact. Do you need me to post it again, or are you have you gotten over your autism?

2. The dialogue from the game neither states nor says anything that could be construed to mean that Byakuren helps youkai eat people. That's an invention of stupid secondaries.

>But if you want I can pretend to be mad at you calling everyone a secondary because they don't know as much about a series of magical little girls fighting as you do.

All of this is either high-school-level general knowledge or said in the games. If you weren't a secondary and an illiterate fucking autist, I wouldn't have to explain it to you.

>> No.6287401

>>6287364
>It's not like you have to slay a thousand babies.

Pretty good way to become youkai, actually.

In order to be youkai, you usually need to be so fucked up that you get fired from being human. All /jp/ browsers inherently qualify.

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>>6287393

>> No.6287408

Stage Titles:
* The Great Sealed Magician (TH12)
* Hardworking Monk (TH12.5)

Where is this 8 Sufferings Buddhist thing?

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>>6287403

>> No.6287418

>>6287405
Zun Bio:
○Stage 6 Boss　　The Sealed Great Magician
Byakuren Hijiri

Species: magician
Ability: the power to use magic (specializing in magic that increases her physical abilities)

Byakuren's sibling Myouren was a famous monk. Myouren's days were spent easily tossing around enormous pots that contained great storehouses and curing sick people's illnesses in remote places.

Byakuren, getting along in years, learned Buddhist magic from Myouren. She normally lived on Tobikura, which was packed with Myouren's Buddhist power, and so naturally Byakuren gained power of her own.

However, Myouren died before Byakuren.
The bereaved Byakuren started to fear death greatly.
She obtained the power to regain her youth, but rather than a Buddhist art, it was something more like black magic.

After having mastered the power of youth and left behind a normal creature's lifespan, the next thing she came to fear was someday losing her power.

The only way to lose that black art was for Humanity to reject it entirely.
In other words, if youkai ceased to exist, she wouldn't be able to sustain her own power.
And so, she honored youkai.
She pretended to be a great youkai exterminator, but actually saved the youkai behind the scenes.

She had great respect for youkai, but not because she disliked humans.
In the beginning, it was born from her own greed, but as she learned of the difficult past the youkai had borne, she began to think she needed to do something to help them.

This youthful monk who'd suddenly appeared...
Her youth and her magic made her extremely popular among humans.
"As long as Byakuren is here, we don't have to fear youkai anymore. We don't need to live in fear of the night anymore."

And so the gap between her wishes and the expectations gave birth to a terrible tragedy.
People began to call her a demon in human form.
She was sealed away in Makai, never to appear before humans again.

>> No.6287421

>>6287408
Nowhere, because one of the sufferings is the pain, worry and regrets you feel immediately prior to death.

Byakuren gave up her humanity not to die, so naturally she never endured that one.

>> No.6287431

>>6287421
I laid agonizing a couple of times in my life. Does that apply?

Because it sure as hell was scary.

>> No.6287437

>>6287408
Have you ever actually played UFO? The title of the last stage is "Nun who overcame the Eight Sufferings."

>> No.6287443

>>6287431
Did you die?

>> No.6287449

>>6286869
What's the title of this doujin, and where can I download it from?

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>>6287415

>> No.6287459

>>6287421
"Prior" is the key word here.

>> No.6287472

>>6287418
Not seeing anything in there about her helping Youkai eat humans.

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>>6287457

>> No.6287476

For the record, what kind of magic DOES Marisa use?

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>>6287475

>> No.6287489

>>6287449
It's, uh. It's right there on the title page.
You know, the one that you linked?

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>>6287283

>> No.6287492

>>6287476
High-level Magic.

>> No.6287499

>>6287492
How...vague. Can we get any more specific?

>> No.6287500

>>6287489
Just making sure. I once googled it and could not find any results so I thought I had mistaken the title of the doujin.

>> No.6287510

>>6287499
She casts magic missile x 1000 per second.

>> No.6287513

>>6287476
Judging from her title of "Ordinary Black Magician," it's probably something similar. Also worthy of note - Marisa has apparently researched into becoming immortal as well.

From the PCB manual:
>Magic is her weapon. For the time being, her aim is to create the elixir of immortality.

From the PCB afterword:
>On another topic, the elixir of immortality she had been developing during the winter ended up being too large for consumption. More improvement required.

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>>6287500
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=love+and+peace+touhou&l=1

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>>6287635

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>>6287640

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>>6287650

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>>6287659

>> No.6287741

>>6287704
what the flying shit did nue do?

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>>6287704

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>>6287754
>>6287754

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>>6287774

>> No.6287805

Hm. Don't like this circle much.

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>>6287781

>> No.6287824

>>6287805
The artist has a pleasing style, but someone else should write his stories.

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>>6287813


>>6287805
They're one of my favorites.

>> No.6287838

>>6287813
>>6287827
I am downright confused right now.

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>>6287827


>>6287824
A lot of people enjoy dark Touhou.

>> No.6287856

>>6287838
How? Basically the Love and Peace doujin happens. This doujin is abut Nue surveying the FUBAR situation, walking up to Hijiri, then punching her out in a declaration to be the hero for once.

>> No.6287866

>>6287856
Ok.
Why?

>> No.6287873

link for nue please

>> No.6287876

>>6287843
>>6287856
Oh. Now I get it.

There is no reason behind her helping humans, thus it is "undefined".

Makes sense, from a bit twisted POV.

>> No.6287888

>>6287866
Because Nue is a badass and it's more interesting to her to interfere.

>> No.6287961

>>6287843
And? Keep going.

>> No.6287974

>>6287813
>>6287824
Nue confirmed for sucker punching, pussy.

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>>6287961
>>6287961


Wait for C79 when they're releasing a 40 colored page Crinio doujin.

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Far as doujin goes, Suwako's remains superior.

>> No.6288394

>>6288371
King of Moriya was here.
Though the wind cries is a loser.

>> No.6288477

>>6288009
Grimdark Cirno? I wonder how they're going to pull that one off. Although if they manage to do it properly, I'm sure it will be amazing.

>To begin with, I wanted to draw an Asatsuki Dou-like story... well, even if I say that, it doesn't feel like it at all - sorry about this. In the end, trying to place despair in Cirno's eyes was no use. Cirno has to look straight into the future, after all.

>> No.6288699

>>6287180
sauce on this plz?

>> No.6288749

>>6288009
>>6288477
GrimDark Cirno?

cant wait to see this - I can kind of imagine it actually

>> No.6289455

>>6288749
Full color like the Gradient Hair and the Aya one. Can't wait

>> No.6289477

>>6289455
Sounds like it has potential.

>> No.6289557

I really don't see how they can make a Cirno grimdark doujin WITHOUT involving humanity in it.

Fairies just play around and pull pranks on humans, so maybe it will have a human or two involved.

>> No.6290149

>>6289455
my head asploded - link to these?
>>6289557
Cirno is a "baka" right? Theyll probably have her being bullied for it or something

>> No.6290168

Cirno is a vile, powerful, immortal monster who's been preying on the frog race from times immemorial. How's that not grimdark?

>> No.6290845
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Here's the cover.

>> No.6292724

>>6290168
Cirno is barely 60 years old, at most. Or at least has seen the phantasmagoria twice or more time in her life.

>> No.6292783

This is all, of course, just an artist's depiction of Byakuren.

>> No.6292802

>>6292783
We know.

But we are all critically bored, and thus hang on to these discussions.

>> No.6292926

i just read the Byakuren one

i shat bricks

>> No.6292932

I just got done with UFO on Lunatic; I'd say that she's noticably harder than Yukari, just that the fight is shorter.

Murasa's first spellcard reminded me of Yuka's master spark, but it was harder.

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>>6286907
No, she doesn't. Lighting just makes it look that way.

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>>6292939
Lighting doesn't change the hue.

I'm a professional photoshopfag with experience in graphic design, photography, illustration, and 3D modeling. I know everything that needs to be known about lighting and what it does, and I say her hair is a gradient.

On stage 6 the atmosphere was red, if her hair were affected by lighting then she would have fiery orange hair instead of tinted blue.

>> No.6292992

>>6292978

Suppose the gradient is an effect coloured in as the result of the beam thingie she uses projecting purple light onto her hair. Would that work?

>> No.6292996

>>6292978
As if ZUN would be sober enough to know that

>> No.6293005

>>6292996
Her hair would be too plain otherwise. Zun probably wouldn't have been satisfied with her looking plain and hatless.

>> No.6293009

>>6292996
Yeah; a lot of people also say she has a broken arm based on ZUN's drawing skill level.

She really does have gradient hair though, you probably would too if you were a youkai magician sealed in Makai for so long. Either that or blue is her natural hair color, she bleached it before she was sealed, and hadn't maintained it in a long time. Changing your hair's appearance then forgetting about it will leave you with two noticeably different colors.

>> No.6293045

>>6292939
Zun doesn't know anything about lighting. There's nothing else on her body to suggest she was "lit" that way.

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>zun
>knows things about art.

>> No.6297290

>>6287813
FUCK YEAH! NUE!

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Badass Touhou>>>>>>>> Moe Moe Touhou

This is godhand tier

>> No.6297369

Is Nue suppose to be a bit like Flan? As in insane?

>> No.6297425

>>6297369
She is undefined.

>> No.6297455

>>6297369
>>6297425
You could say..

she is unidentified.

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Goddamn how can the fandom twist things so much, helping injured youkai in need and researching magic in order to stay alive is different than slaughtering several human villages in order to feed youkai and sucking the blood and having sex with two hundred aborted babies in order to become a lich

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only reliable fanon work about byakuren, you'll never convince me otherwise ;_;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzheDE8lsGE

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I like /jp/ better when we kept saying Araki should draw Touhou.

>> No.6298492

claiming byakuren as my wife

>> No.6298583

>>6297508
YOU are the twister.

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