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[Anonymous No.]

What ending am I missing and how do I get it?

[Anonymous No.]

ubw good end. BEST END

[Anonymous No.]

Mind of Steel end.

[Anonymous No.]

Dunno, but you're cheating yourself out of the best ending if you don't play Last Episode.

[Anonymous No.]

Get Saber's affection points during the UBW route.

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>>6259065
Last episode?

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>>6259071
Shitty fanfiction ending

[Anonymous No.]

You're also missing Bad End 38: Sparks Linear High

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>>6259064
This

[Anonymous No.]

Instead of having sex with Rin, you can talk with Saber and then have sex with Rin. And be generally nice to Saber.

[Anonymous No.]

Femme Fatale, the Good End of Heaven's Feel where Sakura finally gets revenge on her horrible big sister instead of being guilt tripped into submission.

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>>6259071

The RN and/or RN patch ending.
http://rnpatch.blogspot.com/

You need to get the inferior endings first, but it's worth it.

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>>6259073

0/10

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>>6259086
That end made me sad.
Poor rin.

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>>6259090
He's got a point, though. The whole thing basically consists of several paragraphs of incoherent gibberish followed by a picture of Saber.

[Anonymous No.]

I think your version is bugged OP. I've never seen that last ending before.

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>>6259100

Makes me think samefag. It's totally coherent if you pay attention, and the entire thing is made up of sequences of pictures.

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>>6259087
I tried installing this patch earlier, but nothing changed. I took out the 4.2 version or whatever, changed it to patch4.xp3, then took the no voice patch and named it patch5.xp3, but the ending of Fate still didn't play "Sorrow". Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
>>6259116
I heard that the reason why people hate it is because it's implied that Shirou and Saber are dead, which is the only way they can be reunited.

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>>6259254

They are, in a way. The idea that everyone dies and the inevitability of death are addressed at least once in Fate, but the idea of reincarnation is also laid out pretty clearly.

The 'incoherent gibberish' people are talking to refers to one person having to wait for an eternity, and the other having to search for an eternity. Saber has to wait indefinitely while Shirou has to go through an infinite number of lifetimes for the chance happening that they meet again in some lifetime.
The person talking to Saber acknowledges that it's basically an impossibility, and that she has the right to be happy, but despite that, both parties trudge on and eventually find what they were looking for.

It's Fate if Shirou wasn't a total fag and just dismissed Saber's love as a trinket of a memory.

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>>6259286
I never understood this.
Eternity pretty much implies that reincarnation of the two through the entire time stream. Are you saying that after Shirou and Saber are reborn, they manage to still love each other somehow, despite losing all of their memories?

This is bullshit, unless it's the same idea with Archer, where their love encompasses time itself, which is cliched.

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>>6259087
how does this work? I installed the translation and voices with the mirrormoon patch but I have to add this seperately?

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>>6259308

Well whether or not Saber is actually going back into the ring of reincarnation is debatable, the dialogue in RN says she's basically sleeping, so on her end it's a waiting game. (One must wait for an eternity blah blah)

As for Shirou, being recycled as a counter-guardian might be part of it, or if not, I'm sure it could be explained with nasu magic. It makes about as much sense as everything else in FSN canon.

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>>6259326

The instructions are in the readme, just take care to follow them closely. Make sure to transfer the save files in the patch, because that's your only cue that you've done everything correctly. You should end up with a few new save points scattered through the menus, one of which is the 9 shot revolver scene, in which case you're good to go.

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>>6259335
I messed up then.
I just renamed the patch numbers and put it in, but I don't see new saves.

Do I need to reinstall the entire game?

[Anonymous No.]

Aren't Saber and Shirou's soul both in stasis pods in the Hall of Heroes so that the Earth can make copies?

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>>6259103
Shopped?

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>>6259366
No.
UBW is not shopped.

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>>6259372
I dunno then...I only got the group thing as the last ending in the chart..

How did you unlock this ending again?

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>>6259366
Yeah. Sparks Linear High is the good end.

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>>6259335
is it me or it doesn't add the new cgs in the gallery?

[Anonymous No.]

Stop being so goddamn autistic, OP. Can't you just google what you want to know instead of being spoonfed?

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>>6259335
what does it add to the game? do I need to install it now or can I wait until I have all the normal endings

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>>6259424

You can wait to install it, but the patch adds some new scenes/CGs, like 9 shot revolver.

>>6259399

It won't add the CGs until you actually play through them.

>>6259338

It's probably working fine. If you want to confirm it with the saves, go into the folder you get when you unzip the patch; go to "saves" and you should have a folder for Fate, UBW, and HF, each one has like five randomly numbered saves in them.
Copy and paste those into the folder called "Savedata" in your FSN installation.

Or if you just want to confirm it's working, the one that's called "Save 5" and pictures a big red Berserker is one of the added CGs. If that loads for you, then everything is on track.

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>>6259471
Nope, no Berserker, just random saves scattered everywhere =/
So do I need to reinstall?

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>>6259517

If you got the random scattered saves imported and they run correctly, then you probably installed it right.
The only reason the berserker one has any importance is because it's the only savepoint I can remember off the top of my head that goes straight to one of the RN additions.

Your shit should look like this.

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>>6259517
>=/

Kill yourself.

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>>6259539
Hm, I'm not entirely sure it installed correctly.
All of the saves that show up are the only ones with the option to skip the scene; the Berserker or Assassin pictures aren't there.
I'm playing through the HF one right now at the fight with Kotomine, but I can't tell if RN has installed yet.

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>>6259047
>>6259047
You are missing the TRUE TRUE TRUE END and mind of steel end.

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>>6259471
does it add stuff to all 3 routes? I already played through fate and I'm on like day 10 of ubw now

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have a save that has all 5 endings for RN?
I'm too lazy to replay through them because I uninstalled the game awhile ago.
I just want to see Seiba true end :)

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>>6259681
also is it even complete? the blog that got linked makes it sound like it's unfinished

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>>6259701
It adds all the music and cg besides h-scene replacements from the ps2 version of the game.

The next version will be the complete version with h-scene replacements and dialogue changes.

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>>6259728
how can it replace h-scenes if they don't exist in the ps2 version? will it replace them with cg dragon? what dialogue is changed? I have the voices and although I don't understand moon they seem to synch up with the text already.

[Anonymous No.]

Last Episode isn't liked because it's almost apologeticly written for Saber fans that get shafted every end. Fate was a noble closing, she's reduced more or less to Rin's gag bitch in UBW, and Saber was the player punch in HF.

But then Realta Nua comes along and Nasu almost 180s his whole of nobility by writing this "Fate"/Archer extra end (as it's utterly out of character for UBW Shirou or HF Shirou) where Saber is waiting like a good waifu for the one love she dared to have.

So...wait, you're sorry for Saber, but what about Rider? Caster? Ayako or Illya (who only got greenlighted a new spinoff series as an afterthought)? Truthfully it's about as out of place and overly happy as HF's True End--pan-zoom some time later and suddenly everyone's okay and balanced and no one's showing any kind of scars.

Coincidentally, it's the same thing I disliked about Kohaku's end (re: treatment of Akiha).

And then he has the balls to go and do Fate/Zero. Fuck Saber's happiness. Be the legend, not the waifu.

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>>6259980

The fact that Saber got her loose ends tied up in a proper ending shouldn't surprise anyone, she was a protagonist and a main character; the other servants were not. There's nothing that says the other characters can't fix their own shit at some undetermined point in the future.

Either way, the implications in Last Episode are that both parties basically went through aeons of agony in order to achieve what's depicted at the very end. The majority of couples in the modern day can't even wait until they die the first time to start hating each other.
That you don't actually get to play/read through Saber and Shirou's endless pursuit of one another doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

The problem with Last Episode is that people either trashed it without playing it figuring it was just a cop-out "tadaima" happy ending, or they didn't bother to actually digest what they read. The text that comes before the last scene is admittedly wordy, but it's the actual content of that ending.

The reason why people (Saber-fags in particular) like Last Episode is because Shirou in the Fate ending is absolutely pitiful. His attitude toward the entire grail war is dismissive to a bothersome extent, and way he reacts to something as sincere as Saber's confession was disgraceful. Had the Fate ending come about as a result of Saber's choice, it would be slightly more acceptable. The Fate ending is still there for those who like it, but Last Episode finally gave people the opportunity to pursue what they really wanted.

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>>6260482
I thought the part with shirou was pretty shitty but the side with bedivere was really satisfying. I liked how the ending graphic mirrored the beginning one.

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>>6260557

The part with Bedivere is implied to have taken place in Last Episode. Saber dies with Bedivere at her side, and the dialogue about waiting is what she's confronted with in death.
LE is what happens when Shirou mans the fuck up and takes responsibility for not pulling out.

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>>6260482
My problem with Last Episode was that it didn't have a place in the narrative. Saber's death in Heaven's Feel was a perfect and fitting end to her role in the story. It acted as the final bit of closure to the themes and symbols brought up in the Fate route.

Last Episode was completely unnecessary because the story wasn't about Shirou and Saber's relationship at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>Saber's death in Heaven's Feel was a perfect and fitting end to her role in the story. It acted as the final bit of closure to the themes and symbols brought up in the Fate route.

Yeah, in Heaven's Feel. Last Episode isn't about Heaven's Feel at all, it's a continuation of Fate that Nasu made to please butthurt Saber fans.

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>>6260652
>Saber's death in Heaven's Feel was a perfect and fitting end to her role in the story.

whatthefuckamireading

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>>6260672
saber was supposed to be shirou's plotarmor materialized in an overpowered servant. Abandoning her basically meant facing reality and letting go of foolish ideals and whatnot FOR REALSIES (as not killing her brought about a realistic end of seiba killing rin or something to the effect), I thought. Not samefag though, don't pin this on him.

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>>6260652
>the story wasn't about Shirou and Saber's relationship at all.

It depends on the route you take. All the shit about kiritsugu and his own ideals can be solved within himself, that's totally an internal thing. At the end of the day, FSN is about Shirou's interactions with other people, Saber being one of them.

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>>6260667
My main issue with it is that it's placed at the very end, after the player already finished all of the other endings. If it was tacked on to the end of Fate, I wouldn't have a problem with it

>>6260720
I'm talking about the narrative as a whole. Sure, Fate is about Shirou's relationship with Saber, just as Heaven's Feel is about his relationship with Sakura. But taken as a whole, it's a story of a boy overcoming his idealistic views, and each route plays an important role in developing the story.

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>>6260482

Probably the only person in this thread that knows what they're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>The fact that Saber got her loose ends tied up in a proper ending shouldn't surprise anyone,

Have you read anything Nasu's done? Really? The writer notorious for melancholy and not-everyone-wins endings? And in that thought, Last Episode is a redundant work too, as Fate did a fine job of wrapping up Saber's story and giving her resolution.

>it figuring it was just a cop-out "tadaima"
It is. There's nothing especially unresolved with Shirou that wasn't already concluded with any of the other routes. And Saber had her (even by Fate/Zero's display) resolution that had been two stories coming.

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>>6260717
No, it wasn't about Shirou losing something precious to him and continuing forward despite the loss for his ideal at all. You're right, how silly of me to misinterpret.

Last Episode wasn't about any summary or culmination of Shirou's growth, it was throwing a beaten dog a bone. I'd have expected something more toward a change in his actions--some evidence that Shirou, no matter what route derivative, was taking steps not to become the Archer in his ideal, or to be dissatisfied at being Archer.

I was expecting Eclipse. I got a Celine Dion song backdrop to Saber's secret dream.

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>>6260842

It wasn't a cop out. It was a shout out to unrequited love. While Saber and Shirou did have their feelings come full circle, they were left largely unsatisfied.

When it comes down to it, Saber and Shirou were star crossed lovers from the beginning. They were never meant to be together and they probably never should have met. It was just the writer's sentiment coming out and showing(in his opinion of course) that love transcends time, space, life, and death.

And to belittle it or play it down is a poisonous train of thought.

I could be full of shit though.

[Anonymous No.]

I personally believe the RN ending is just saber's dream right before dying.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there and ending were this doesnt happen?

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>>6260866
Nope. Things get much worse for her in fact in HF.

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>>6260866

Heaven's feel.

You get to feel Illya's heaven.

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>>6260861
>No, it wasn't about Shirou losing something precious to him and continuing forward despite the loss for his ideal at all. You're right, how silly of me to misinterpret.
It's up to the reader to choose how to interpret the text. Both of your interpretations are perfectly valid; that's the beauty of literature. Instead of simply dismissing his interpretation, you could look at it from his perspective and gain new insight into the text.

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>>6260861
>Last Episode wasn't about any summary or culmination of Shirou's growth, it was throwing a beaten dog a bone.

More like a beaten dog taking what was rightfully his. The idea that Shirou was working toward some objective landmark of self-improvement is silly, since it doesn't exist even in the nasuverse.

LE was Shirou deciding that his love for saber is the most important thing in his life, rather than some vain and impossible goal or trying to follow in someone's footsteps.

If Shirou had somehow been gifted the chance to meet Saber again, I would agree with you, but he's cursed with a Sisyphus situation just for the chance to get what he wants.

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>>6259621
Welcome home!

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>>6260866
Well she either dies off-screen or sacrifices herself in HF.
How did she died in Fate? I forgot. Stupid vanilla route.

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>>6260986

she gets crucified stark naked to a cross by Gil.

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>>6260986
She doesn't die during Fate route itself, but it's a fact that she doesn't have long to live.

[Anonymous No.]

phanfikchon ending

He made that ending because saber fans wouldn't quit bawww'ing about it.

[Anonymous No.]

All of you people hating on Last Episode because it's a *cop out* better not like HF, because HF's true end is also a massive cop out.

You say that we already know that Shirou loves Saber, but it's more about his ideal? I say it's about how his love can be powerful enough to trascend TIME and SPACE for her; the exact same type of love that made him drop his ideals to become Sakura's superhero in HF. Yes, LE is a bit redundant, but to pass it off as entirely pointless and that it contributes nothing to Shirou's character is asinine.

tl;dr People who hate LE but like HF are hypocrites or Sakurafags

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>>6261058
inb4 "UBW master race"

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>>6261076
UBW master race

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>>6259086
I thought Rin was her sister

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>>6261058
They have used terms such as impossible and so on over and over again in f/sn.
But when Merlin said that for them to do it would be impossible, then he actually meant it, cause that was impossible.

But then due to the fanwank and because people didn't feel that Saber's end was happy even though it was, he made merlin say that it's really is impossible, but if you, this Mary Sue and Gary Stu couple, can with your combined powers of love and effort disregard how the world works entirely and ignore whatever thing that would make such an ending impossible, because the fans want you to and the author thought that it might slide after all.

In HF they did what was regarded as the most unlikely, and what people didn't think would succeed, but in LE, they did what shouldn't have been possible.

Besides, the main reason as to why I don't like LE is because I actually liked Fate's true end, that was a happy end, and they both realized it at the end.

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>>6260950
>literature
>nasu

[Anonymous No.]

>When it comes down to it, Saber and Shirou were star crossed lovers from the beginning.

You use that phrase. I don't think it means what you believe it means. Lancelot & Gwenivere are star-crossed. Diarmuid and Grahinne are star-crossed. Saber and Shirou are happen chance, just like Rin & Sakura. There is no malignant "Fate" keeping them apart--every choice they made was strictly their own actions.

>they were left largely unsatisfied.
They put business before pleasure, as is their characterization. The only ones unsatisfied were the "audience".

He saw Saber and was awe-struck. T

>>6260958
It'd be a necessary bone to a beaten dog if the dog weren't Shirou. Shirou never DOES what he does for recognition, praise, compensation, or any of the normal things humans would take up that kind of ideal for. So it's less of some grand prize and more of a out of left field "Here, have a miracle". Only this miracle matched none of the stories or themes of the game (Fate: He's resounded himself to loving a memory. UBW: Rin is going to do her best so that he learns not to lived warped. HF: He's living for Sakura's sake).

> All of you people hating on Last Episode because it's a *cop out* better not like HF, because HF's true end is also a massive cop out.

Of course it's a massive cop-out. We get Tohsaka to ham-fistedly override whatever turmoil took place in the months after Heaven's Feel. It couldn't be anything else BUT a cop-out. Though trying to use that as a qualifier to protect Last Episode is both stupid and sakurahater-ish.

[Anonymous No.]

If we take EVERY instance where the word 'impossible' is used and then trounced in the VN, we would never be over.
People should learn to distinguish actual impossibility and being UNLIKELY.
It's not like Saber suddenly got alive and well to live with Shirou boy. They meet in fucking afterlife, after they are fucking Dead. Whooooo. That totally invalidates the Fate End or whatever. Sure.

And HF's True End is foreshadowed constantly(count how many times the Miracle, the fucking purpose of this Fucking Grail War is mentioned with effects that would surely help in that situation). I was surprised when I got the Normal Ending.

Happy resolutions are not cop-outs. Especially when the not-happy ones are also presented. Multiple fucking possible endings. Some people are never satisfied.

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>>6262189
The true end of HF is a cop-out thematically speaking.
It just doesn't fit the narrative.

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>>6262189
>They meet in fucking afterlife, after they are fucking Dead. Whooooo.
But this is sort of the problem.
They didn't meet in the ordinary afterlife, Shirou had to became a guardian and work his way through the impossible, until his work is done and he is allowed to rest.
Saber also had to do her duty as she was indebted to the world for the pact they made, the world gave her a chance, and the world wanted her to work in response.

The Last Episode takes place when both their works are done.
But that's just ridiculous cause their work lies outside of time, they have to do everything infinitely number of times. Their work is never done, because if they do something, they still haven't done it in the past, and they have to "redo" things.

Archer got stuck in that "hell" for all eternity, Saber, when her pact started was going to be thrown into something similair.
And whatever it was Shirou had to do, it wouldn't end either.

This is why Merlin said it was impossible.
But their love was so strong nothing matters anymore, cause the fans wanted it and Nasu thought it could fly.

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>>6262189
>They meet in fucking afterlife, after they are fucking Dead. Whooooo.
But this is sort of the problem.
They didn't meet in the ordinary afterlife, Shirou had to became a guardian and work his way through the impossible, until his work is done and he is allowed to rest.
Saber also had to do her duty as she was indebted to the world for the pact they made, the world gave her a chance, and the world wanted her to work in response.

The Last Episode takes place when both their works are done.
But that's just ridiculous cause their work lies outside of time, they have to do everything infinitely number of times. Their work is never done, because if they do something, they still haven't done it in the past, and they have to "redo" things.

Archer got stuck in that "hell" for all eternity, Saber, when her pact started was going to be thrown into something similair.
And whatever it was Shirou had to do, it wouldn't end either.

This is why Merlin said it was impossible.
But their love was so strong nothing matters anymore, cause the fans wanted it and Nasu thought it could fly.
And I repeat, the true end was their happy end. It wasn't a bad end and they were satisfied, that's why Shirou finally let it go, cause he understood that she was, and when she was then he was too.

She had already lived her life, and it was a good one, a great one in fact, one to be proud of.
And in the end, she got through a miracle even experience the wonders of love, and with that she was happy.

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>>6262257
This Shirou is not Archer necessarily that has to fight forever in Hell.
Saber let go of the foolish wish to wander in time trying to change History.
Them eventually settling somewhere in the afterlife makes as much sense as anything else. As long as Saber was waiting and Shirou never gave up on his goals. As Merlin says. And whoop

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>>6262238
Of course it does. Shirou does everything needed to save Sakura so she can keep living. He is also just saved as well. HF's theme is not 'you have to die in order for it to make sense'. It is just most likely you will die due to the fucking conditions.

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>>6262526
>This Shirou is not Archer necessarily that has to fight forever in Hell.
If he became a guardian he would have to.
>Saber let go of the foolish wish to wander in time trying to change History.
That shouldn't change the contract she made with the world, no?

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>>6263471
>That shouldn't change the contract she made with the world, no?
The instant Saber stopped desiring the Holy Grail the conract with the world is nullified, that's because she's not an ordinary servant. She made a contract on the verge of death, specifically because she wanted the grail. Since she does not desire it anymore the world can't ask for compensation for her acquiring it, since it's an impossibility from that moment on.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand one thing. Why are you all saying that Saber dies after Fate end? I mean, ok, she returns to her body and shit, but she didn't die in the legend. She is "the once and future king", isn't she supposed to be sleeping till Britain is in need of her once again? Something like that at least. I don't think she just died. And that's why she can meet with Shirou.
Merlin talks about impossibility, because the only way for Shirou to meet her is a miracle. And a miracle is what he asks for when he becomes a counter-guardian.
He became a guardian and met Saber when Britain was in need of her again and Gaia sent him there for his work.
It looks pretty simple to me.
Miracle>Impossibility.

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>>6260866
Continuation of the Dream. Not bad, but worst route.

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>>6261859
>But then due to the fanwank and because people didn't feel that Saber's end was happy even though it was, he made merlin say that it's really is impossible, but if you, this Mary Sue and Gary Stu couple, can with your combined powers of love and effort disregard how the world works entirely and ignore whatever thing that would make such an ending impossible, because the fans want you to and the author thought that it might slide after all.
You keep using Gary Stu and Mary Sue, but I don't think that they mean what you think they mean... at all. Point invalid.

>In HF they did what was regarded as the most unlikely, and what people didn't think would succeed, but in LE, they did what shouldn't have been possible.
Entirely possible, since they meet in you know, death. It proves that their love is so strong that they can meet in the after life that some religions, and the Nasuverse, implies exist. HF was a cop-out because Shirou died, then Deux Ex Machina with Ilya, then LOL HAPPY END WHO CARES ABOUT ALL THOSE DEATHS SAKURA I LOVE YOU BRAND NEW DAAAAAYS ^_^

>Besides, the main reason as to why I don't like LE is because I actually liked Fate's true end, that was a happy end, and they both realized it at the end.
Wasn't actually a happy end, you don't know your literature. It's a bittersweet ending, but yes, I see your point.

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>>6264020

>>6262165
>Of course it's a massive cop-out. We get Tohsaka to ham-fistedly override whatever turmoil took place in the months after Heaven's Feel. It couldn't be anything else BUT a cop-out. Though trying to use that as a qualifier to protect Last Episode is both stupid and sakurahater-ish.
I'm not protecting anyone, just pointing out how hypocritical most Sakurafags and Rinfags are:
"Hurrr duuur Sakura is a valid heroine and very sympathetic, why do you hate on my waifu? Saber? Lol what a boring heroine, so cliched and yet you Saberfags eat it up lolololol Nasu threw you a bone faggots lol"

>>6262257
You don't understand the afterlife in Nasuverse that Merlin is referring to. It's not that they are reincarnated for all eternity and have to endure it forever, creating a time paradox; it's about how their love must be able to reach each other through time and space in order to be reunited in the afterlife and break free of the cycle of reincarnation.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

EMIYA escapes his contract by being elevated to godhood as the Master of Steelworks, with a minor in self-indulgent heroism.

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>>6264031
>it's about how their love must be able to reach each other through time and space in order to be reunited in the afterlife and break free of the cycle of reincarnation.

Twilight level writing there

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>>6264031
>"Hurrr duuur Sakura is a valid heroine and very sympathetic, why do you hate on my waifu? Saber? Lol what a boring heroine, so cliched and yet you Saberfags eat it up lolololol Nasu threw you a bone faggots lol"
/b/east's Lair in a nutshell.

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>>6264020
>Deux Ex Machina with Ilya
Ilya being able to transfer souls was foreshadowed as far back as one of the bad ends in Fate.
>LOL HAPPY END WHO CARES ABOUT ALL THOSE DEATHS SAKURA I LOVE YOU BRAND NEW DAAAAAYS ^_^
Angra Mainyu was the one killing people at night, and he/it had already been destroyed. It wouldn't make any sense if Sakura didn't have a happy end after all the torture she went through.

[Anonymous No.]

Have anyone number of this thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6264143
>Ilya being able to transfer souls was foreshadowed as far back as one of the bad ends in Fate.
Doesn't change the fact that it's a poorly thought out plot device for HAPPY ENDING. It completely screws with the themes of self sacrifice in HF and UBW.

>Angra Mainyu was the one killing people at night, and he/it had already been destroyed. It wouldn't make any sense if Sakura didn't have a happy end after all the torture she went through.
Doesn't change the fact that the deaths weren't even mentioned and everything was patched up so simply by Rin in HAPPY ENDINGS BRAND NEW DAAAAYS.
Face it, HF's ending is a cop-out as much as LE is a cop out.

[Anonymous No.]

HF ending is the same as Mai Hime's ending.
You can see where it comes from, doesn't change the fact that it feel like a cop-out

[Anonymous No.]

>it's about how their love must be able to reach each other through time and space in order to be reunited in the afterlife and break free of the cycle of reincarnation.
Yes and it's ridiculous.
Because if their love doesn't trancend time and space and alters everything, it would never happen.
And since when could love do such a thing?

Stupid fanwank ending in all it's mary sue honour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6264359
No, it does not.
It's not like Shirou went on his actions thinking 'WHELP, I am going to be saved, so no risk'.
And it's not a miracle that it is easy to achieve.
Hence it not being a default ending.

I can understand the sentiments, but teh reasoning used is retarded

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>>6267445
It is not solely due to love.
Shirou became a motherfucking hero and earned premium afterlife service. Perseverance, fighting towards a goal etc. There are many themes you can stick. Singling out 'love' is retarded.

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ITT: Bitches don't know 'bout my Avalon.
Seriously guys, 90% of the complaints about Last Episode in this thread seem to completely miss the part in Arthurian myth where King Arthur practically has a PERSONAL AFTERLIFE.
Last Episode just covers Shirou/Archer making it there himself after death and a full run as a Counter Guardian (like Last Episode restates, nothing can truly last for eternity, which in this case applies to Emiya's contract with the planet).

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>>6267525
The problem is that Shirou CAN'T get there himself.
It's not supposed to be very hard, it's just supposed to be impossible.
But then LOVE CONQUERS ALL
It's easy to understand why some people have problems with it

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>>6267525

No, Last Episode clearly states that when the chance came, he refused the miracle.

Fate/Last Episode Shirou is not Archer.

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>>6267536
>when the chance came, he refused the miracle
Now that you mention it, I remember Last Episode opening with Shirou dying peacefully... Fair enough. I'm not going to pretend I understood all of Last Episode - just enough to make me happy with it.
Still, I can't shake the impression that Archer was involved somehow. Why else would Archer's version of UBW show up for a full scene of introspection?

[Waku Waku !Hauu07PLe. No.]

>>6267555
>Why else would Archer's version of UBW show up for a full scene of introspection?
We don't know why Archer's has gears in the first place, so it could be any number of reasons.

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>>6267555

It's slightly different than Archer's UBW.

Notice the two massive, interconnected gears that extend into the distance.

They symbolize Shirou's everlasting love.

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>>6267559

Waku Waku, do you often post without your tripcode, or do you just not show up often?

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>>6267562
I was under the impression the extra-large gears in Last Episode were part of the drill Shirou used to pierce the heavens. No reason they can't be both, I guess.

[Waku Waku !Hauu07PLe. No.]

>>6267574
I'm around, but I don't post much.

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>>6264031
I'm not your average fan. I like Rin, Sakura, and Saber a lot. But I'm not going to blindly claim any of them without a single flaw. Nor am I going to give Nasu a pass in his writing/scripting because of my fan adoration.

I'd dive further into this argument but I see a tripfag Ren again.

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I like Shinji. He's the character I can sympathize the most with.

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>>6267779
So you're a sociopath and a rapist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6267783
Sociopath maybe, rapist no.

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>>6267532
Why?
It's not like it is a 'Saber only afterlife, if you not female King Arthur, do not enter'. Shirou became a fucking hero. We know he is able to.

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>>6268186
As this thread has already mentioned, the number of times "impossible" is used to describe it implies regular heroes cannot reach Avalon. However, Shirou had a possible gateway lodged in his chest for ten years and had a spiritual connection with its primary inhabitant. I say that gives him a leg up.

[Waku Waku !Hauu07PLe. No.]

>>6267532
I'm disagreeing with this. I think "impossible" refers to Saber and Shirou fulfilling the conditions (Saber waiting ~1500 years for him, Shirou chasing her until after death), not the existence of a possibility.

Like "It's impossible for Person A to buy Expensive Thing. They would have to work their whole life, and Person B would have to never sell it." It's not impossible for Expensive Thing to be purchased, it's just practically impossible conditions.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do I have the same thing as OP? Last episode shows on the menu, but...

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>>6267532
How can it be impossible when Avalon was wedged inside his heart for the better part of a decade and he has a spiritual bond to Saber; hence, her own personal heaven? I'm not sure why you keep throwing the word 'impossible' out there when it's the conditions that are 'impossible', not the event itself.
In short, I think u mad that Saber got a True End.
Also, you keep using the word "Mary Sue", but I don't think it means what you think it means.