/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

How is it that Key can be so popular when everything they produce is derivative at best and an outright duplication of their last foray into the exciting world of magical AIDS at worst?

That aside, their artwork is horrid, and their writing makes Nasu look like Heinlein by comparison. I really cannot understand it.

(In during "but they made Planetarian." Yes, they did, and they celebrated its release by never doing anything good ever again.)

[Anonymous No.]

Maeda is a better writer than Nasu, easily.

And they are the first one that did lots of thing, so saying they are derivative is so fucking retarded it blows my mind, it's the other companies that do Key.

Even your beloved R07 is a huge key fag and used the key formula a lot on Higurashi

[Anonymous No.]

the things that it always comes down to: Opinions, taste and liking.

[Anonymous No.]

It's easier to pander to the lowest common denominator than actually produce something of any quality.

[Anonymous No.]

>Maeda is a better writer than Nasu, easily.
I used to think so before Angel Beats!

[Anonymous No.]

But Planetarian is their worst game, it doesn't even try to hide the fact that it's just
meet kawaii girl -> girl dies -> reader cries

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156819
Angel Beats was more of a problem of adaptation, Maeda actually publicly apologized for it despite the anime being a big commercial success.
It shows that an anime and a novel are 2 very different media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156827

He should of thought of that before he wrote the bloody thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Their first titles had strange artwork yes, but they slightly got better.
If you're wondering why Key stuff is so popular yet you hate its guts the answer is simply that your tastes are different from other people.
You are of course free to claim that your tastes are better, if it makes you feel good.

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>>6156792

The only reasoning I can see for a shit post like this, is if you think Key's only other work has been Air, Kanon, and Clannad. If that's the case, you clearly don't understand the fact that the art/designs perfectly match the time period they were released (early 2000s).

No comments on the writing. That's pretty much a matter for preference.

[Anonymous No.]

Air was one of the first eroge I played back in 2002.
It was fucking impressive for its time, you've got to put back thing in their context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156819

The idea of the afterlife school with rebels that refuse their death, the fact that the hero was the one who saved the girl by giving his organs, and the fact she wasn't able to leave the school because she wanted to thank the person who gave him a heart, the mindblow when you understand the reason behind the name "Angel Beats", that could have been hands down the best VN of 2010. The retarded shadow crap and such was something necessary for the anime, but it probably would have been handled differently if it was a VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156819
The idea of the afterlife school with rebels who refuse their own death, the fact that the hero was the one who saved the girl by giving his organs, and the fact that she wasn't able to leave the school because she wanted to thank the person who gave him a heart, the mindblow when you understand the reason behind the name "Angel Beats", that could have been hands down the best VN of 2010. The retarded shadow crap and such was something necessary for the anime, but it probably would have been handled differently if it was a VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>preparing to make a boilerplate "my tastes > your tastes" statement
>OP thinks Heinlein is a bro

I am error.

[Anonymous No.]

At least Key release new stuff regularly and don't rely on milking their titles ad nauseam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156862

But their releases are all exactly the same shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156871
No they aren't, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156874

Cute girls falling ill/metaphysical whimsy: the franchise.

[Anonymous No.]

Well at least Key doesn't rip-off others.
Not like R07 that ripped off Kusari-Hime for Higurashi and Forest for Umineko, funny but Kusari-Hime and Forest are written by the same guy too, wonder if the next title will be a rip-off of Seven Bridge, or maybe Cannonball, it would be funny to see.

Nasu ripped off Kizuato for Tsukihime too, all these examples are common knowledge in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

Stop hating shit just because they're not your thing and become popular. Feels like I'm really browsing /v/

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156883
Boy with strange power meet overpowered blond and beat bad guys, the franchise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156887

>oh shizzle

Where's the blonds in Kara no Kyoukai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156889
Where is the VN of Kara no Kyoukai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156887

You lost me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156892

KnK was a series of novels, a medium reserved for those who are neither poor nor Irish.

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>>6156892

Excuse me, where did we say the stories had to explicitly be VNs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156898
I think he's referring to type moon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156883
Because that's deep, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>Not like R07 that ripped off Kusari-Hime for Higurashi and Forest for Umineko
Where the fuck is the similarity between Kusarihime and Higurashi/Forest and Umineko?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156951
-They both involved forest

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156951
Kusarihime and Higurashi: small village, murders and loop, the composition is very similar.

Umineko and Forest: mystery vs fantasy, without love it can't be seen, battle between the "witch" and the main character/narrator, though the narrator "fall for" the witch by the end, meta concepts everywhere, fictions within fictions, growing different personalities within one person, even the true meaning of magic and I'm missing lots of things.
Beatrice is a mix of Black Alice and Amamori.

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>>6157000
If you don't mind clearing up something for me? What was Kako and Amenomori's actual relation? Was she her child, taken away from her parents and covered up with the "abortion"? Was she a part of Amamori? Was she just a different person altogether and became Amenomori's "child" by listening to Akeru's Original Story? Is it open to interpretation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6157006
Go there, all you need
http://www29.atwiki.jp/liar-forest/pages/20.html

Afterward, if you still want to talk about it, make a thread, I'll answer if I'm here.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>6156792
The art in Rewrite and LB is great. Not sure what the issue is. Nor do I think their games are the same. You have to keep in mind the genre most of their games fall under would be nakige. It's like complaining that a horror movie is trying to scare you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156792

>He uses Magus, Lucca, and Marle!

laughingsomethingsomething.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>6157357

Some people like Dark Eternal.

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>>6156792
To be honest I'm often wondering about the same thing, the writing is bad and the pacing is horrid, I'd be surprised if someone could read this for more than two hours straight without falling asleep.
The heroines are always the same shit in every goddamn game as is the plot device behind the whole game, either MAGIC or FATE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6157364

Some people are rancid pedophiles (gee, I wonder who I could be talking about) but they are still fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

WELL IF YOU ALL HAVE SUCH PROBLEMS WITH THEIR WORK WHY DON'T YOU WRITE YOUR OWN TALES? WITH BLACKERS, AND HOOKJACK!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6156814
One would have to have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell... I mean Yumemi... without dissolving into tears...of laughter.

All the crying in Planetarian comes before her death.

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>>6156792
my tastes > your tastes

[Anonymous No.]

>>6157376
Thinking about that, I always thought that Marle was preteen from looking at her sprite and was disappointed by the official artwork.