/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[None !8FuIlcirno No.]

W list things that are almost canon in fanon while still being utterly false in real canon:
1) Alice is a fragile love-starved tsundere.
2) Alice's dolls have mind of their own.
3) Yukari has a kind, motherly heart.
4) Remilia is a good girl

...go on.

[Anonymous No.]

Your thread makes no sense. Just saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046796

What do you mean it doesn't make sense? He is trying to point out inaccuracies in various touhous' representations that have become common in fan works while.

[Anonymous No.]

ParseexYuugi pairings. Canonically it is unlikely they have ever met each other. Parsee keeps guarding her bridge and Yuugi keeps having parties and drinking booze in the town. Marisa has better chances with both of them then they do with each other.

[Anonymous No.]

Rei clone Patchy

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046802
There's no proof they've never met, homewrecker!

[Anonymous No.]

None of the things you listed are false beyond a shadow of a doubt. Try again.

[S BENZ No.]

These two being one and the same, perhaps?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046860
Note how Yukari manages to cast a reflection on the mirror despite being behind the mirror. She's some sort of reverse-vampire!

[Anonymous No.]

I was going to write Suwako and Kanako basically being Sanae's adoptive parents but then I re-read OP and saw

>utterly false

So idk man. There's stuff supporting the "theory" more or less but it's far from canon. I guess it passes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046884
They basically are her adopted parents. She's still a kid and do you see any true parents around?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046899
That was what I was talking about but we don't have any proof they actually raised her, do we? Like, since she was a baby/toddler, yet you see that interpretation a lot.

Oh well, and here I though /jp/ was gonna raeg at me for saying it was possible that they it was canon, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046908
Eh, there's no way to know. Her mother could have been raped and died during childbirth, with Suwako and Kanako somehow having enough faith to physically manifest and take care of her.

[Anonymous No.]

Melting Cirno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046947
Overheating Cirno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046918
You know, while this kind of setting is most probably the most popular one it never quite clicked with me since it all seemed a bit too convenient.

Instead I tried turning it around. What if Sanae wasn't abandoned and found, rather she was taken? She's a "living god" instead of simply a human, and thus Kanako and Suwako might have decided that it would be better for her to raised by her won kind (gods) rather than by humans so that she could properly fulfill her purpose as living god to be reborn a god. Sanae might not even have met her real parents; and it explains why the whole "living god striving to become a true god" is something that seems so important to her.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou practically has no canon. None of this shit is necessarily false. That's the whole fucking point of Touhou, that's why it ever got as big as it did. You know that. We all know that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046967
The entire idea of a living god is that they're humans that became gods. But nice idea anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046899
Maybe they're in the shrine, not bothering with all this "shooting pretty crap at each other" business.

I like to think Kanako's canon husband (Takeminakata) is also in the shrine somewhere, hanging out with Mishaguji. Instead of having danmaku fights, those two would have a soccer team composed of themselves and a bunch of worshippers, and solve issues with sports instead.

[Anonymous No.]

Here are some examples of Touhou canon.

Remilia is a vampire.
Patchouli has a large library.
Byakuren had a brother named Myouren.
And so on.

[Alice Margatroid !3hRoneryhQ No.]

Every Touhou is not a pure and innocent little girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046982
Why did you change your trip

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046982

MEDICINE MELANCHOLY = DOMICILE CLEAN HYMEN

sorry to disappoint.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046977
So minus the three people that we know already live in the shrine, Sanae's family, (parents as well as possible grandparents and siblings) also live there, along with Kanako's husband, Suwako's familiar and their football team?

That shrine is getting pretty fucking crowded but your idea is too silly for me to hate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046785
Cirno being made of ice/unable to withstand heat
Cirno's wings being detached icicles (I wonder how many people really believe her wings aren't attached to her)
Rumia not always being covered in darkness
Anything about Alice's or Yuuka's personalities

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046991
Utterly false does not mean "I don't like this interpretation."

[Alice Margatroid !3hRoneryhQ No.]

>>6046985
Sion, long story. Should be in the archive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046995
Good thing everything I listed are entirely false and not personal opinions

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046998
Only the first one is utterly false. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047002
>secondaryfag
Cirnos wings have never been portrayed in any game as being detached or even anything more than icicle shaped. They are actual wings that attach to her back and flap.

Rumia is specifically mentioned to be covered in darkness at all times except for the new moon.

The last thing doesn't even need explaining. you're just trolling at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047012
Cirno is actually shown withstanding heat in Hisoutensoku. That is verifiably false.

Cirno's wings' actual connection is never shown. Insufficient proof.

Rumia is only mentioned to be always covered in darkness. Insufficient proof.

The last makes no sense. You realized you can't defend it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6046785
>2) Alice's dolls have mind of their own.
Not reading thread, but this is actually canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047021
>Cirno's wings' actual connection is never shown.
There are two games in which you can play as her, you know. You can see her back then.

>Rumia is only mentioned to be always covered in darkness.
So, in other words, author canon?

And I don't need to defend it. You can't discern anything about most character's personalities, let alone all the bullshit fans spew out about those two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047012
>Cirnos wings have never been portrayed in any game as...
Nope, you can't go that way. That type of logic doesn't fly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047026
No, not author canon. She's not mentioned by the author; she's mentioned by a character written by the author. The difference is important.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is pure condensed autism.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>6047056

Business as usual on /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047056
I will defend fanon to the death, sir.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047056
Cool story.

[Anonymous No.]

Most/all characters interpretations are up to debate regarding whether they are "canonical" or not.

One could simplify and say that one the only canonical behavior a character posses can be seen within ZUN's own works; meaning that everything else that isn't is just as fanon. There will always be people claiming otherwise but in the end it's just word against word. Apart from very rare occasions, we don't know how the Touhous feel or how they reason. We only know ow they act, meaning any speculation regarding a character's feelings and/or reasoning (regardless of how logical they might seem) will always remain to be nothing but just that; speculation.

Elitists shouldn't be allowed to monopolize the "proper" characterizations of the Touhous and everyone should have equal respect to each other's work disregarding they actually feel about them emotionally.

Just saying.

[Anonymous No.]

yuyucow raping mystia ;_;

[None !8FuIlcirno No.]

>>6047023
No, it isn't. They are controlled by strings attached to Alice's hands on top of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047097
Might want to read canon doujins, secondaryfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047104
Quick, someone post the relevant three fairies page

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047115

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047104
>I believe people who have seen her would understand, but she controls several dolls and makes each one perform separate actions, at times makes them cooperate, and the dolls move completely asynchronously.

>"I'm sure I've seen something like that, a long time ago. An independently moving and thinking doll. No matter how many times I've tried, I've never been able to make one successfully. I mean, it's easy enough to make a doll that will do something if I command it to, but beyond that... I just can't seem to get anything to function."

I hate you guys. This argument is shit. I hate arguing. I don't even know why I care what you guys think is canon or not. It's bullshit. There's contradictions everywhere and all sorts of stuff. Why does it matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047123

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047134
Junk detected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047115
Fuck, just noticed that canon game Alice eyes are light-brown!

captc: theories fulped

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047131
We love arguing. Perhaps you should leave.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN-Alice reminds me of a character who had expressions similar to hers but I cannot remember exactly who it was and it is bothering me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047143
Alice's eyes change color every game she's in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047131
You're right. It doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047131
I'd just like to point out that if Alice did manage to make an autonomous doll she'd probably lie about having made it to avoid revealing her power level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047131
>I don't even know why I care what you guys think is canon or not. It's bullshit. There's contradictions everywhere and all sorts of stuff. Why does it matter.
You finally get it.

[S BENZ No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047192
See, there's all this shit about "they'd probably do this", "they'd probably do that".

On some levels, it's okay, but when you're basing it off your own personal interpretation of some information given, it's only meaningful to you. I can just as easily say, "She'd probably use it - as long as she keeps her previous magic hidden, it shouldn't really matter to her if she had autonomous dolls or not. Or she might use them, because the dolls don't reflect her own personal power, only her craftsmanship."

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047249
Right, but it's possible that she could have autonomous dolls without contradicting canon. That's all that matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047257
You people act as if canon is like natural laws. You don't need to stick to canon so badly. bkub doesn't do it and his comics are great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047269
I don't remember bkub ever contradicting canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047257
But there should be more weight to saying it's not possible, because it was more directly stated, and any idea of Alice hiding autonomous tech or such is purely user-formed, in that there's almost nothing else to support the idea she'd hide them in the first place.

But that's based off translations, and we don't know how good those are.

But if it were as simple as just having a link to say "well, it COULD happen", you could apply that to pretty much everything in the Touhouverse.

There's nothing really wrong with that, it's essentially the basis for most doujinshi, and it's nice in situation where there's just not enough info, and most of the info is left up to the individual person anyways.

I don't even know what I'm arguing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047290

If Chen bit Yukari in canon she'd probably gap her to hell and beat up Ran...
That's just speculation, though..

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047310
The standard of proof that I'm arguing is beyond a shadow of a doubt. You seem to want beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm not going to loosen my standards just so you can claim stuff isn't canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047249
I think the main problem in these sorts of topics are all the "probably" talk. In some of the better touhou discussions, people would just say their idea, no matter how farfetched, explain what parts of their idea contradict common beliefs and direct canon, and then describe it more in-depth really well.

Fuck, if you could explain the idea in-depth really well, even if it's completely bullshit, your idea is probably to have better reception than just quoting some guy and saying "you're wrong, this is what I think."

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047330
I'm not sure what we're arguing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047345
I think we're arguing over the level of evidence needed to prove something isn't canon or not? I'm using an absurd level of proof that nobody ever really uses in an attempt to troll canon-fags, but there don't appear to be any in this thread. Maybe some will show up if I go to sleep.

Night.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047290
>Mokou is a police officer
>Chen can't talk
>Reimu is evil and wants to capture the Touhous for nefarious plans
>Patchouli is hyperactive and has asthma
>Mokou lives together with Keine
>etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047361
I don't know what's happening.

[Anonymous No.]

Never pursue Yamaxanadu

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047313
Chen is too cute to be sent to hell, even for evil canon Yukari. Shut your whore mouth.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow you guys

You can actually discuss things without fighting and reach interesting, wholesome results

/jp/ I am impress

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047429
Huh?

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/, /jp/, look at what I found

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047469
>東方儚月抄 ～ 月のイナバと地上の因幡 (Touhou Bougetsushou ~ Tsuki no Inaba to Chijou no Inaba, lit. "Ephemeral Moon Vignette from the East ~ Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth") is a series of comedic 4koma strips drawn by Toshihira Arata and serialized in Manga 4koma Kings Palette. Unlike other Touhou print works, ZUN is credited as "原案" (the base of setting and character design) instead of "原作" (scenario).

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047562
I know! aren't these characters moe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047567
>ZUN is credited as "原案" (the base of setting and character design) instead of "原作" (scenario).
For those too stupid to understand, Inaba is not canon.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

Fuckhuge Yuugi.

Although Alphes draws a pretty big Yuugi, so it's more of an internal inconsistency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047570
thank you mister smart-ass for something that everyone has known about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047094
More like eating her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047682
Looks like >>6047469 didn't, "mister smartass".

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047469
what's mochi the rabbits are pounding all the time? I've been fascinated by that immense and vast mystery beyond human knowledge in my search for Elder Gods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047743
its rice cake.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>6047743

Rice cakes.
Really, that's pretty much it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047730
Because, smart-ass, that's what "sarcasm" means.

Did he put anything about canon and what-not? No. Only you being a smart-ass about something not so smart. Ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047757
Is it just me, or does Eirin showing concern for Tewi seem out of character to anyone else?

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>6047783

Possibly, but it's in the spirit of the thread.

[&ponpo＼（ ＾ヮ゜）＞ No.]

>>6047783
Just you. fuji_eirin_image.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047743
You might be interested in this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxl-Ey_PAiY

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047795
I don't know what you're referencing, sorry.

[&ponpo＼（ ＾ヮ゜）＞ No.]

>>6047800

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047822
Those boots... sorry, I can't accept anything that hideous as fanon.

[&ponpo＼（ ＾ヮ゜）＞ No.]

>>6047835
You don't think they are cute? Nemesis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047840
I think Tewi's feet are hardened by centuries of use. She doesn't need boots at all, much less those things.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6047835
THIS. I like pretty much all fanon interpretations. Tsundere Alice, Mokou X Kaguya, ect are cute. I'm able to accept multiple interpretations of characters; in fact, I especially like reading grimdark and moe comics of the same characters side by side.

Shoes, however, are NOT OK. Maybe in fighting games or funky ones like Aya's, but otherwise, most Touhous only float around with socks! I'm especially baffled at people drawing Byakuren as wearing black boots when it's clear from her in-game art that she's wearing bandaged black socks!

Speaking of which...SOCKS WHERE~? SOOOOOCKS~

[&ponpo＼（ ＾ヮ゜）＞ No.]

>>6047853
I'm sure most touhous don't need most of their accessories.

Are you calling for the abolishment of hats?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047860
No, just hideous hats. I'm not sure what a hideous hat would look like, however, but I know hideous boots when I see them.

[&ponpo＼（ ＾ヮ゜）＞ No.]

>>6047869
You do not. I'm strangely attracted to this anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047869
There are no hideous hats in Touhou. Every one of them is precious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047860
Please, take everything and rape my imaginary little sister but spare the hats! ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047897
Agreed, but who knows what the future brings? ZUN might make a hideous hat. I hope he doesn't...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047911
But she has hair extensions and hair extensions are bad hats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047934
Those aren't extensions; it's jam.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>6047934

Anyone has the minicomic with Byakuren toying around with D&D spells handy?

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6047904
Speaking of little sisters and hats...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047934
She's a blessed person. It's only natural a blessed person have blessed hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047943
I would very much like to see this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6047835
You wore those boots as a kindergartener too, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048041
Did not. I know for a fact that nothing pink touched my feet.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>6048018

Brown haired Byakuren of the distant past casts Conjure: Random.
Bottle of permanent purple dye appears. Byakuren is disappointed and at a loss what to do next.
Byakuren gets a BRILLIANT idea.
Gradient haired Byakuren breaks down realising what she's done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048047
Then they were yellow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048049
Nothing to lament! I was hoping it'd be toying with buff spells, but that's fine too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048052
Stop posting like a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048050
I don't remember wearing rainboots at all. Not that that counts for much. If I had, they would be green because that was my favorite color.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048054
Women don't post like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048055
Haha, and you've been green your whole life.

[Anonymous No.]

EX-Rumia
But I wouldn't put it past Zun to make it canon, at least in one of the side games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048064

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048084
There's nothing in canon contradicting EX-Rumia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048049
Here you go~

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>6048132
Why bother cosplaying Byakuren if you aren't going to at least try to get the gradient hair right?

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>6048106

Brilliant!

[Anonymous No.]

Loli Shiki.