Who do you sympathize with more /jp/? Nazis or communists?

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Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:03:55 2010 No.6043177 [Reply] [Original]

Who do you sympathize with more /jp/?

Nazis or communists?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:04:55 2010 No.6043181 The loli, doesn't matter which side.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:04:55 2010 No.6043182 The Nazi party in and of itself isn't a terrible concept. Fascism can be a workable government if you do it right. The problem is that it was misused to kill people and that just sucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:05:55 2010 No.6043187 Tea Party

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:05:55 2010 No.6043188 File: 385 KB, 900x622, 1267902614496.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Neither. Royalists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:06:55 2010 No.6043190 I symphatize with the Report Button party.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:06:55 2010 No.6043191 Communists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:06:55 2010 No.6043193 The Nazi party.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:06:55 2010 No.6043196 I'd have to go with nazis, because I believe the world needs a good morning shirt grab and violent shake. Communism is designed to fail since nobody is perfect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:07:55 2010 No.6043197 >>6043188 Does anybody have that picture drawn in MSPaint of the US space ship shooting at Lunarians? I'm sure you know the one.

>>	HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 17:08:55 2010 No.6043199 File: 123 KB, 623x800, tirpitz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Neither. I'm just in it for the hardware.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:08:55 2010 No.6043200

I think Fascism can work under the right circumstances but Communism can never work under any circumstances.

People want what they can't have or want more than their neighbor. Evening out the playing field for everyone sounds like fairness but it ultimately leads to failure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:09:55 2010 No.6043201 Neither; they're both a bunch of pricks who suppress individual liberties and espouse destructive ideas. Great outfits, though.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:09:55 2010 No.6043202

I don't sympathize with anyone. Nazis had cooler uniforms and badass ideas, but got carried away with what they were doing. Like that guy in death note. I don't know anything about national socialism as a governmental concept though, but it's been tainted by hitler forever anyway.

Communists were like what, Russia, and China. They only had shitty lifestyles and human wave attacks. Communism doesn't work because everyone is a capitalist at heart. If we invent intelligent computers then it may work.

Nazis win because Nazi ufos are an awesome concept. I hope they do have a base on the moon that we get to invade one day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:10:55 2010 No.6043204 Communism COULD work, but humans are such greedy pricks that it never will. Nazism is is just stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:11:55 2010 No.6043206 Nazis. They just had the wrong targets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:11:55 2010 No.6043209 >>6043204 Pretty much the first sentence. Great idea on paper, but it never works.

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 17:12:55 2010 No.6043213
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>>6043201

Well... if you think about it that way, I guess Hugo Boss always triumphs over khaki and red stars.
Still, both ideologies are equally awful.

Unfortunately I don't have an Imperatritsa Mariya-tan to balance out the excess of Kriegsmarine-tans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:13:55 2010 No.6043219 File: 594 KB, 600x827, 4434425.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I like communism better in principle but nazis + fascism are undeniably cooler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:14:55 2010 No.6043220 File: 17 KB, 605x343, 05643.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043197 Here, i've made one for you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:14:55 2010 No.6043222 File: 180 KB, 500x400, TH_lunar_war_lol.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043197

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:16:55 2010 No.6043233 >>6043222 Thank you, anon.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:18:55 2010 No.6043245
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Nazis. The Soviets were scum. If anything, we should have aided the Germans against the Soviets and then dealt with Hitler while ensuring the continued existence of a more moderate National Socialist Party.

>>	josepsh stalin Mon Aug 30 17:21:55 2010 No.6043257 File: 23 KB, 265x335, joseph-stalin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] moe

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:23:55 2010 No.6043263 File: 17 KB, 211x204, sadfrog.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reisen will never break your mind while fleeing the moon ;_;

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:23:55 2010 No.6043264

>>6043200
Communism is basically what MMOs are nowadays, like WOW. Capitalism is what MMOs like EvE and UO are.

They are equally horrible in their own ways.

The only real government that will work is that set by a king or emperor. People just want a leader to tell them what to do and blame when shit fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:23:55 2010 No.6043268 >>6043245 That's exactly what Himmler was hoping for in the end. Maybe if they hadn't mercilessly bullied and annexed two sovereign states and started wars on two fronts and deported or killed millions of innocent people that plan could have worked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:25:55 2010 No.6043270 >>6043177 >>6043219 are those red armbands club leaders have in anime based off those nazi arm bands or vice versa?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:26:55 2010 No.6043275 File: 56 KB, 200x150, rance_GAHAHA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Communists.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:26:55 2010 No.6043277

Communists, but at my own way of interpreting it.

Socialism is the cancer killing the world. Capitalism is another cancer killing the world. Fascism is the cancer killing the world, etc. You see it on the news, on the internet, everyday.

Communism would be good enough if we had somebody capable of rule a country without steal anything or doing something for his own good. I always play Civilization switching to Communism as fast as I can, and I always win.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:27:55 2010 No.6043280 File: 96 KB, 528x800, 1259970917885.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hartmann is my waifu so Nazis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:28:55 2010 No.6043283 I'm a live-longe commie, have read almost everything by Marxie, Lennie, Stal and Mao-kun, and lots of western marxists too, also I work in a marxist party since forever... ...i have a nazi fetish tho and LOVE nazi lolicon

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:30:55 2010 No.6043289

I dislike when people say communism can never work by pointing out Russia and China. Need I remind you that Marx did -not- think communism would develop from the peasantry? The idea of Russia and China was to consolidate everything under a central government in order to force the country's output further ahead. Basically, it was more of industrialization than anything else. It is possible that communism could work in a country which is already developed and which does not want an absurd level of mechanization.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:30:55 2010 No.6043290 File: 1.23 MB, 5000x4068, trollface_HD.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] communist >germany 1945 >470 000 SS soldier VS 2 100 000 ( or more ) russian >russia win

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:32:55 2010 No.6043296 >>6043283 >nazi loli Best concept ever invented. Whether it's lolidom or humiliating them, it's incredible. I wish I could find that picture of the one in bloomers from that one comic. (BTW Did those Prussian Blue girls ever grow up and do porn?)

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 17:32:55 2010 No.6043297
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>>6043268

There's the big problem. It's an ideology that pretty much doesn't work unless there is someone you can get people to hate enough that they forget the real problems in the killing frenzy. And while doing so, you're bound to create another problem without solving the first.

"Oh, hey, we're going to war and we're going to need all the manpower and scientific advantage we can get. Let's kill off a good percentage of our own able bodied population and ostracise several of our most brilliant minds for a completely nonsensical reason!"

>>	:3~ !RAKiSUtaAA Mon Aug 30 17:33:55 2010 No.6043301 File: 122 KB, 400x400, konadunno.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Whoever keeps the niggers and jews out of my country.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:33:55 2010 No.6043306 >>6043289 Communism will not work because people do not want to be equal. The only way communism or democracy or anything else will work is by forcing people to comply.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:34:55 2010 No.6043311 >>6043277 In real life, I'm fundamentally against communism. But in Civ I'm always a commie. Best choice by far.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:37:55 2010 No.6043326 File: 23 KB, 400x267, nazbol.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] nazbols

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:37:55 2010 No.6043329 >>6043306 Socialism works just fine, though. Tax the rich, give to everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:40:55 2010 No.6043347 File: 43 KB, 475x491, 500full.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043213 It's too bad Nazis these days are a bunch of shitty-looking bald retards. Style was really the only thing they had going for them.

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 17:41:55 2010 No.6043355
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>>6043329

Pretty much. It ain't a perfect system, it might not even be good when you think about it, but it's still pretty much the best system there is.

But let's keep it in the back of our heads that the Aztecs said exactly the same thing...

Mon Aug 30 17:43:55 2010 No.6043366

>>6043329
>Socialism works just fine, though.
>Tax the rich, give to everyone else.
>Tax the rich
>give

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WWWLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:47:55 2010 No.6043382 >>6043329 More like tax the poor, then give them part of their money and convince them they should be grateful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:47:55 2010 No.6043384 File: 66 KB, 800x500, 48a5a2b088aee2c71db7c02ef1b92476397b0f00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Communists

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:47:55 2010 No.6043385 >>6043366 Under socialism they also usually sponsor treatment for severe autism like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:49:55 2010 No.6043400 >>6043329

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:50:55 2010 No.6043408 I LOL HOW FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE THINK NATIONAL SOCIALISM(AKA: NAZISM) = SOCIALISM AT LEAST READ FUCKING WIKIPEDIA BEFORE YOU SAY STUPID SHIT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:52:55 2010 No.6043422 File: 403 KB, 839x1280, b5cc857076523abe0e25102fd1a4f606.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nazis, because i have a SS uniform fetish.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:53:55 2010 No.6043428

THOSE ARE NOT NAZIS.

SKIN HEADS DO NOT EQUAL NAZI'S FROM THE 30'S AND 40'S.

THEIR DOCTRINE IS "WHITE POWER, STOMP NIGGERS"

IN CASE YOU FUCKING NEW FAGS DIDN'T KNOW, THERE WAS THIS THING CALLED THE "Legion Freies Arabien" THAT HAD FUCKING BLACK PEOPLE IN IT THAT FOUGHT FOR THE GERMANS. EVEN FUCKING HIMMLER SAID THAT THEY WERE ARYANS.

DON'T BELIEVE ME? HERE IS PROOF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-177-1465-16,_Griechenland,_Soldaten
_der_%22Legion_Freies_Arabien%22.jpg

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:54:55 2010 No.6043429 >>6043408 What are you like a second year sociology major? Get lost.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:54:55 2010 No.6043431

Both extremes are bad.

I'll gladly pay tax to make education free. Strategically that's the smartest thing you can do, maximising the usage of your country's intellectual resources instead keeping eduction for rich people only. That's +1 for socialism.

That's plenty of shit I don't want to pay taxes for though....

Mon Aug 30 17:55:55 2010 No.6043443

>>6043385
We have socialism here in my country, pal. We've been ruled with socialism for 6 years already.

The consequences?

>Financial crisis
>No jobs avalible. A lot of people (about 5 million people) can't find a job
>No money (Rich people is more rich, poor people is more poor)
>Insecurity increased a lot.
>The law doesn't punish the infractors. Instead, they punish the innocent people.
>Lies, lies everywhere. And no answers.

Tax the rich you say? Give it? Nobody gives a shit about the people here. Hey, if you want socialism, you can grab it from here and take it to your country if you want. I absolutely don't mind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 17:59:55 2010 No.6043462 >>6043443 Gee sounds just like America. Maybe it's because your country is just run poorly by incompetent leaders, not because of the social system. In fact I'm willing to bet that's exactly what it is.

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 17:59:55 2010 No.6043463
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>>6043347

With all respect to the thousands killed in the u-boat war, the thousands who went down with the mighty Hood and the Barham, the millions of East Asia terrorized by the Imperial Japanese navy, the Norwegian soldiers who died on the shores in the invasion, and several thousand others I can't mention off the top of my head, it still has to be said.

In hindsight, from our viewpoint, from a historical perspective, the bad guys always got the nice gear. No competition.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:03:55 2010 No.6043496

>>6043429
I'm just trying to say show that National Socialism does not equal Socialism. Their policies are more right than left as far as economics. Hitler also said that "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:03:55 2010 No.6043497 >>6043428 That's mostly because nazis is stupid in theory and incoherent as fuck in practice. I mean, "honorary arian"? What the hell? At least socialism is a well constructed theory of society.

>>	Mon Aug 30 18:06:55 2010 No.6043506 >>6043462 Yeah, that's true too, our leaders are incompetents. Also, most of our ministries has very basic studies. They don't know a shit about how to rule a country. But what a coincidence that every time our country was ruled by socialists, shit happened.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:10:55 2010 No.6043530

>>6043497
Stop posting and read a fucking history book before you go on and say "Nazis are stupid fags"

WHO FUCKING TURNED A FUCKING BAD ECONOMY INTO A PROSPEROUS ONE?

WHO FUCKING BUILT ROCKETS AND THE FIRST HIGHWAY?

WHO FUCKING SUCCESSFULLY INVADED FRANCE, DENMARK, POLAND, YUGOSLAVIA, NORWAY, AND BELGIUM?

WHO MADE FUCKING ADVANCES IN PHYSICS AND IN THE FIELD OF MEDICINE?

WHAT COUNTRY WAS BASICALLY THE ONLY ONE SMART ENOUGH TO FUCKING GIVE ITS RESEARCHERS AND SCIENTIST BASICALLY AN UNLIMITED BUDGET SO THAT ADVANCES COULD BE MADE SWIFTLY?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:12:55 2010 No.6043540 >>6043463 I always choose my units in Total War based in their appearance, I don't care how ineffective an army might be, as long as it looks good. I might loose, but I'll lose with style.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:13:55 2010 No.6043542 File: 65 KB, 227x219, didntreadlol.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Realize this isn't /int/ >Make a shitty /v/-tier post shitting up the shitty thread >Report everyone in the thread >Everyone except for me gets banned >My face

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:13:55 2010 No.6043543 >>6043463 >Implying the Germans were the bad guys. WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE DO THIS? BOTH SIDES ARE THE "NEUTRAL GUYS". JUST BECAUSE ONE FACTION WINS OVER THE OTHER AND PRESENTS FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT THE OTHER DOES NOT MAKE THEM BAD.

>>	Mon Aug 30 18:13:55 2010 No.6043544 >>6043530 This remember me to HNK, when Shin talks to Yuria about the empire he built just for her, but Yuria rejects it because the "high price" of it. Slavery, punishment... build that empire costs the blood of lots of innocent people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:13:55 2010 No.6043546 File: 8 KB, 470x331, american-flag.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043530 AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:15:55 2010 No.6043563 >>6043544 >Implying that building up the German economy cost lives and slavery. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CARTOON AND REAL LIFE.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:16:55 2010 No.6043574 is true a lernt it in skool

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:17:55 2010 No.6043576 File: 5 KB, 324x243, nazi_flag.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043546 NOPE. FUCKING NAZI GERMANY DID ALL THAT AWESOME SHIT.

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 18:18:55 2010 No.6043587
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>>6043543

Since you obviously understand how history works, I'm very surprised you didn't understand what I meant there.

Winners always write history, thus the good guys always win and the bad guys always lose. The bad guys never win, because the winning side never describes themselves as such.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:20:55 2010 No.6043603

>>6043530
Not even a single thing mentioned by you was a product of nazism. With or without the nazis, Germany has always been ingenious, specially in warfare. The strengthening of the grip of the State over the economy might have helped to pull Germany out of the crisis but that's hardily an original way of deal with those problem. Nazism is a bastardized Nietzsche, no one can defend it as a philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:21:55 2010 No.6043607 File: 187 KB, 582x831, 1180564464873.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:22:55 2010 No.6043610

>>6043587
NO SHIT, THAT WHY I CALL THEM ALL NEUTRAL.

THE WINNER JUST GETS TO GO LOLOLOL HERE IS WAR CRIMES YOU NEVER COMMITTED, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY YOU DID THEM JUST BECAUSE YOU LOST, AND IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE, YOU WILL BE PUT TO DEATH."

If anything, the Germans were the most "Good" of the two factions. They wanted to move forward, both in economics, and in society, BUT THOSE FUCKING TRADITIONALIST ALLIES WENT "NOOO" ALL MY BANKERS AND SHIT WILL LOSE THEIR MONEY AND I WON'T HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS IN MY POCKET AND EVERYONE WON'T BE IN DEBT TO ME ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY FINALLY HAVE A DECENT WAGE.

Mon Aug 30 18:23:55 2010 No.6043622
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>>6043563
Well, I am sorry to tell you that I am dissappoint. Nazis made slaves from their citizens, and soldiers from their young people. Those who were not apt for the job were killed, murdered, or used as experiment subjects wich is basically the same.

Everyone who was against the führer or his ideology had the same luck. Not to talk about Jews and all...

Despite of all the lies the US goberment could tell their citizens, it was proven (CLREARLY proven) that the NAZI germany was cruel, bloody and sanguinary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:25:55 2010 No.6043633 SURE IS A LOT OF MAD AROUND HERE

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:25:55 2010 No.6043634 >CAPS LOCK MAKES MY ARGUMENT BETTER I thought we were past this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:25:55 2010 No.6043635 >>6043603 >Implying the build up of nationalism and Hitler's intervention had nothing to do with the German economy. SURE BLOCKHEAD, THINK AND SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT WITHOUT HAVING NOTHING TO PROVE IT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:29:55 2010 No.6043661 >>6043530 Italians built the first highway and the first freeway before Nazi Germany even existed.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:29:55 2010 No.6043665

Communists. They had an ideal that they tried to pursue, but in the end vested too much power in their leaders.

Nazis had an ideal as well, but went about it in an immoral way that affected the rest of the world. At the very least communists didn't grab people from other countries and kill them for the beliefs/race.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:31:55 2010 No.6043669

>>6043622
>Despite of all the lies the US goberment could tell their citizens, it was proven (CLREARLY proven) that the NAZI germany was cruel, bloody and sanguinary.

THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY OF THE SHIT YOU JUST SAID.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WERE KICKED OUT OF NAZI GERMANY (NOT KILLED LIKE YOU FUCKING LYING SCHOOL HISTORYBOOK FAG THINK) WAS THE JEWS, BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING THE MOST FUCKING HORRIBLE ECONOMIC DECISIONS POSSIBLE.

OH, AND WHEN HITLER TOLD THE JEW TO GTFO, GUESS WHAT?

NO ONE WANTED THEM. EVERYONE (INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES) SAID THAT THEY HAD "TOO MANY JEWS ALREADY"

SO THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO GERMANY, WERE HITLER BUILT BUILT GHETTOS TO HOUSE THEM.

HITLER WAS THE ONLY ONE TO HOUSE MOST OF THE JEWS, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO WHERE ELSE TO GO?

NOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOUR TYPICAL JEW HATER HITLER, DOES IT?

NO. HE NEVER WANTED TO KILL THEM. HOWEVER, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF AFTER THE WAR, HE MIGHT HAVE STARTED KILLING THEM.

>>	Mon Aug 30 18:31:55 2010 No.6043671 >>6043665 They commited a lot of cruel acts too.

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 18:32:55 2010 No.6043678
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>>6043610

Except those war crimes actually did happen.
It's nothing strange, you know. Almost everyone does it.

Also, could you please keep down the caps? Or at least post pics?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:33:55 2010 No.6043681 >>6043669 >HE NEVER WANTED TO KILL THEM I am laughing my ass off over here. Keep posting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:33:55 2010 No.6043686 File: 35 KB, 400x300, its-a-conspiracy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043669

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:33:55 2010 No.6043688

>>6043665
>communists didn't grab people for their beliefs.

WHAT THE FUCK, MAN, DO YOU EVEN FUCKING PICK UP A BOOK ONCE IN A WHILE?

COMMUNISM IS STATE RUN ATHEISM. IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT BELIEF THEY WILL, I REPEAT, THEY WILL PERSECUTE YOU. WHY DON'T YOU LOOK UP MARXISM, HUH? OR STALINISM? AT LEAST FUCKING READ WIKIPEDIA BEFORE YOU SAY STUPID SHIT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:34:55 2010 No.6043694 >>6043671 >waaah waaah governments kill people ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:34:55 2010 No.6043695 >>6043671 The vast majority of Communist brutality was against dissenters. Very little of it was racial or otherwise based on how the victims were born.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:34:55 2010 No.6043697 >>6043688 >WIKIPEDIA Citation Needed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:35:55 2010 No.6043704 File: 76 KB, 640x457, 00181.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043678 >thinks the holocaust happened. WHOA NEWFAG ALERT HERE. THE HOLOCAUST, AS THE ALLIES PUT IT, NEVER HAPPENED.

Mon Aug 30 18:36:55 2010 No.6043708
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>>6043669
You are trying to tell me that killing people just because of their religion is good, so nazis where good because they did that? Also, killing people because of their color is good too? And what about using people for their experiments (Japan did that too, what a coincidence they were allied with the nazis)? Do you know how do we actually know that the human body can resists up to 30mA of intensity?

They made experiments about that with people they didn't like. Not only jews. People. Like you, or me.

If yo uaccept the reality, or if you think that's good or bad, is up to you. Things just happened.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:36:55 2010 No.6043710

>>6043669

>there is no proof

Except for you know, the death camps and gas chambers that STILL STAND today.

Also the sheer amount of survivers able to accurately recount similar stories that would be physically impossible to bullshit on a grand scale (not a good enough means of communication at the time to make a grand conspiracy on a scale of millions).

The holocaust is flat fact. There is no debate, if you believe otherwise, you're a fucking moron. It is on the same level of truth as 2+2 == 4.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:37:55 2010 No.6043720
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>READ WIKIPEDIA AND READ A BIT ABOUT NAZI'S
>GO TO A BOARD THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NAZI'S
>PRETEND I KNOW A LOT ABOUT WORLD WAR 2
>ATTACK EVERYONE IN CAPS LOCKS BECAUSE I'M AUTISTIC
>MY FACE

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:38:55 2010 No.6043722 >>6043704 YEAH BRO LIKE THAT MOON LANDING BULLSHIT I BET THERE ISN'T EVEN A MOON AND IT'S JUST A BIG DOME THE GOVERNMENT SET UP

Mon Aug 30 18:38:55 2010 No.6043725

>>6043694
>waaah waaah governments kill people ;_;

You could be the next one. You are people too, do you remember? Huh, what the fuck? Even Shirou said that, "people die when they are killed". Am I right?

We (or at leas I) don't want to become the next murdered by a fucking stupid incompetent goberment full of wild undeveloped creatures.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:38:55 2010 No.6043727 File: 602 KB, 1000x1600, a80e8435f202e3f2acbab20323ca9718.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nazis can't even find the caps lock key. I think we have a winner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:40:55 2010 No.6043736 sieg zeon

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 18:40:55 2010 No.6043737
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>>6043704

I'm not even going to debate with that. Please read the documents pubished by the Nazi leaders themselves years before the war. It's all in there.

Also, allies time.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:41:55 2010 No.6043742

>>6043708
FUCKING MOTHERFUCKING DUMBASS NEWFAG.

WILL YOU PEOPLE EVER EVER EVER READ A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK, OR AT LEAST READ THIS THREAD BEFORE YOU POST?

LOOK AT THIS POST:
>>6043428

DON'T FUCKING USE THE "THE GERMANS HATED PEOPLE OF OTHER COLOURS" SHIT AGAIN.

THE ONLY TWO, COUNT EM', TWO RELIGIONS THE GERMANS WERE AGAINST WAS THE JEWS, AND THE GYPSIES.

(WITNESSES DON'T COUNT BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT THE GERMANS DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT THEM WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T FIGHT. THAT IS ALL.)

FOR ALL YOU NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL HISTORY FAGS, PLEASE PICK UP A BOOK, WATCH A DOCUMENTARY, AND READ ARTICLES BEFORE YOU POST.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:41:55 2010 No.6043745 File: 177 KB, 1280x1024, hail zeon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043736 Now we're talking!

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:43:55 2010 No.6043757 >>6043695 the vast majority was class based.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:43:55 2010 No.6043758

>>6043669
>After the war
Hitler died before the war ended.
>>6043688
Yes, but they never went into other countries, kidnapped innocent civilians, brought them back to their country and slaughtered them inhumanely.

Stalin fucked over his own country, but he didn't run over to say, Saudi Arabia and kill people for being muslim (although that would be a very very BAD idea, the Saudis would destroy him if he tried that shit).

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:44:55 2010 No.6043762
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"Hello, is this 99chan? Am I speaking to /reich/? Yeah, hi, remember when I called and asked you to shit up that thread on /jp/? I just wanted to say thanks. You guys did a great job. Ok, have a nice day."

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:45:55 2010 No.6043766

>>6043737
NO, WHY DON'T YOU TALK TO THE GUARDS THAT WERE FUCKING THERE AT THOSE SUPPOSED "DEATH CAMPS" THEY ALL SAID THAT NOTHING HAPPENED THERE.

BUT GUESS WHAT? EVERYONE WANTS THEM DEAD NOW.

THE NAZI HIGHER-UPS ONLY WANTED TO SAVE THEIR SKINS, SO THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GASSING AND KILLING THEM.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:45:55 2010 No.6043767 >>6043762 Reported for advertising your shitty site.

Mon Aug 30 18:47:55 2010 No.6043772
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>>6043742
How many time will you keep trolling us like this? Or is it that you don't want to accept the truth anymore? Nazis where murderers, like most of the goberments. It's not about history books, but real testimonies from ex-nazi generals from the IIww after the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:47:55 2010 No.6043773 >>6043766 >THE NAZI HIGHER-UPS ONLY WANTED TO SAVE THEIR SKINS By killing themselves right? Just like Hitler?

Kritzinger !TANs7broy. Mon Aug 30 18:47:55 2010 No.6043774

If I had to chose between the two, I'd go with the National Socialists. Even though they had an economy that leaned very heavily towards Central Planning, it still left enough room for small local private businesses to operate.

And they were light-years ahead of the rest of the world in stylish uniforms.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:47:55 2010 No.6043777 >>6043766 >BUT GUESS WHAT? EVERYONE WANTS THEM DEAD NOW. Really? Was that what we were all waiting for? Well I guess the whole world can relax now, no more fighting or troubles, because most of them are already dead.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:49:55 2010 No.6043783

for a consequentialist, utilitarian, or anyone who really cares about murder, it's clear that the communists were worse.
the nazis killed about 12 to 16 million, communists of various strains killed 200 to 340 million.

the predictable whinging about "racism made it worse" is the sign of an irrational mind. Racist, too, as if jews are somehow morally superior to russians and chinese.

communists killed largely by class. it was considered a defining moment by lenin that the secret police didn't ask who showed signs of dissent, but questioned victims for ther education and profession.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:50:55 2010 No.6043791 >>6043742 How about you read a history book? The holocaust is flat fact bro...

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:50:55 2010 No.6043792

>>6043758
I WAS SIMPLY IMPLYING THAT IF THE GERMANS WON, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE KILLED THE JEWS.

AS FOR THE OTHER THING, STALIN WENT INTO POLAND AND KILLED THEIR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.

AND HITLER DID NOT KILL ALL THOSE PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.

DO SOME FUCKING MATH, LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT, AND LOOK FOR INCONSISTENCIES WITHIN ARGUMENTS.

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 18:51:55 2010 No.6043794
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>>6043766

Okay... I said I wouldn't argue this anymore. I take it back. I admit it, I'm weak, I didn't stand by my word this time, it's shameful. But I'm curious as to your answer.

Explain exactly how the holocaust was faked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:52:55 2010 No.6043801 Both fucked up my country countless times. And the worse is that communist parties are still allowed here.

Mon Aug 30 18:54:55 2010 No.6043806

>>6043783

I am already aware of what Stallin and it's communist Russia did to it's country. Nobody said Hitler was the bad guy and everyone else was the good guys. I remember you that beside of Hitler, we had Mussolini, and Franco. Also, as I said, Japan was part of the axis too. And of course, the communist Russia, with Stalin leading it. America, and all the allies were hipocrites for letting that country enter the IIww when they were murderers too, but... somehow they ended the IIww.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:54:55 2010 No.6043807 >>6043783 Communists stayed mostly within their own countries. Also, there were more communists than Nazis, so it is to be assumed they killed more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:54:55 2010 No.6043809 your country is a piece of shit, fez

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:55:55 2010 No.6043810 >>6043801 >Communist parties >parties >s There is no more than one communist party.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:56:55 2010 No.6043816 >>6043810 There is, in my country. Two parties claim to be communist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:57:55 2010 No.6043818 > Communists stayed mostly within their own countries. Which was easy, since their favorite tactic was to take over other peoples' countries and make them their own.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 18:58:55 2010 No.6043822

>>6043807
they killed out of proportion compared to the facists.
the nazis just got more press due to americans in ww2...that, and the russians handled their propagnada relatively well in the cold war. if not for the USA nuking hiroshima & nagasaki, they would have been much more expansionistic.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:00:55 2010 No.6043828

>>6043794
You know what? I'm not going to say that they didn't do it. Why?

BECAUSE EVERYTHING I SAY WILL JUST BE SHOVED BACK IN MY FACE.

Instead, I am giving you the opportunity to make the judgement for yourself.

The first, and hardest part is to take a neutral standpoint.

I myself, used to believe in the holocaust, but the more and more I researched, the more I started to question my belief.

Second, READ BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT. Look at the evidence given by both sides.

Third, and the most important, look for inconsistencies within both sides.

For example, let's look at one camp, and we have three "survivors" to talk to. We ask them to describe the camp, and make a sort of drawing of it, and tell them to show us where the bodies were piled in mass graves. If everything matches up (At least somewhat) then we have some credibility. But, if not, there is something obviously wrong here.

Fourth, and final, make your conclusion.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:02:55 2010 No.6043833

>>6043792
>Would have killed the Jews
>Implying they weren't killed
>Failing to explain all the dead Jews

Also, killing government officials is to be expected when you're TAKING OVER A COUNTRY.

Hitler's goal was to completely eradicate the Jews.

Stalin's goal was to spread communism. Mind you, the communists ended up killing a lot more people, but their intentions were more idealistic (create a more perfect government).

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:08:55 2010 No.6043856

>>6043828

There is no argument, it is FLAT FACT.

The sheer amount of survivors all able to recall the events and the still standing gas chambers are undeniable proof that the holocaust happened.

And you cannot dismiss the survivors as conspiracy because during that time there was not a great enough means of communication in order to spread it across such numbers.

You are trying to argue something akin to 2 + 2 = 5. Read a god damned history book, you moron!

>>	HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Aug 30 19:10:55 2010 No.6043873 File: 116 KB, 749x699, 1275439647990.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043828 I was only asking how, hypothetically, an event like it could be feigned.

Mon Aug 30 19:12:55 2010 No.6043884
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>>6043828
God damn it! Do you want me to tell it to you in red or what? NAZIS were MURDERERS! /thread . There are real testimonies of real survivors from the IIww. They don't have anything to hide now.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:14:55 2010 No.6043894

>>6043856
>Not great enough means of communication.

Yes there was, in fact.

What you Don't seem to understand is all the inconsistencies between the survivors, the historians and the government.

You know what?

Why don't you buy yourself a GPD (Ground penetration device) and go look for bodies in and around campsites. Survivors say that there are plenty of mass graves, so I'm sure you will find something.

Too bad THAT'S NOT HOW IT WENT FOR OTHER SCIENTISTS WHO HAVE USED THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, AND FOUND NOTHING, EVEN THOUGH SEVERAL SURVIVORS WERE GUIDING THEM OVER TO THE GRAVE SITES.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:16:55 2010 No.6043910 You should know better, /jp/. Look at this unfortunate creature's posts and tell me if he can be taken seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:18:55 2010 No.6043924 >>6043833 Hitler's goal was to build a strong, glorious, global German nation. Killing the Jews was a way he could realize it. Then again, I think it is presumptuous for all of us to claim that this and that was a historical figure's goal.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:18:55 2010 No.6043927

>>6043873
Though a means of mail to Jewish houses, Jewish bankers and other Jews who were in control of their religion who thought that if they could get the Germans to admit to what they wanted them, that the county and other countries would sympathize with them and give them FUCKLOADS UPON SHITTONS OF CASH, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:20:55 2010 No.6043934 I like it better when we were posting cute girls in Nazi outfits.

>>	Mon Aug 30 19:20:55 2010 No.6043937 >>6043894 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chamber

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:22:55 2010 No.6043957 >>6043937 >Doesn't know that Zyklon B and Diesel gas were nearly harmless to the human body in the levels that they were supposedly given in the German gas chambers.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:27:55 2010 No.6043982
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GUY WHO IS ARGUING IN FAVOR OF THE NAZIS HERE.

Let's just stop arguing. I don't care if you think I am wrong, or if you think i am right.

This is /jp/ not /int/ So please, less talk about the holocaust and shit, and more loli's in nazi uniforms or whatever.

Like I said before, I don't give two shits about the argument anymore. I have presented what I believe to be true, and so have you. So let's stop being douchebags to each other, and start posting /jp/ related content.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:28:55 2010 No.6043994 >>6043982 >irony.jpg

>>	Mon Aug 30 19:29:55 2010 No.6043995 File: 437 KB, 1600x1200, auschwitz gas chamber.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6043957 >Doesn't know that NAZI produced and used massive ammounts of that gas for the exterminations, also proven.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:30:55 2010 No.6044008 >>6043994 >>6043995 WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST SAY? ARGUMENT IS OVER. You win, I win, but in the end, no-one gave a shit. so stop arguing /int/ shit, and start posting something else.

>>	Mon Aug 30 19:38:55 2010 No.6044045 File: 87 KB, 800x600, 800px-Zyklon_B_Container.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6044008 okay, now /sci/ here. Did you know that with only 4g of Zyclon B you can kill one person? That means that with 1T of Zyclon B you can kill up to 250k persons.

>>	Mon Aug 30 19:40:55 2010 No.6044061 File: 36 KB, 450x600, 450px-GiftgasAuschwitzMuseum.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A normal day in Auschwitz in 1944.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:45:55 2010 No.6044093 keep your jewish propaganda to yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:45:55 2010 No.6044095 >>6044008 You opened this can of worms, troll .You can't end it with anything short of GTFO.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:53:55 2010 No.6044127 I see too many people mixing up the soviets with the communists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 19:59:55 2010 No.6044163 >>6044127 Can't blame them though. Every time someone starts a socialistic-ish party, it always splits into millions of mini parties, each following different ideas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 20:21:55 2010 No.6044297 >>6044163 Same with, well, just about everything.

Anonymous Mon Aug 30 20:23:55 2010 No.6044317

Communism doesn't work, because its many of its central assumptions was that many of the traits central human nature, such as greed, competitiveness and desire for hierarchy, simply didn't exist. This drove their ideologists into a corner, as all the only thing they could do to protect their blind faith was to blame any contradictions in it on capitalist brainwashing. Hell, Marx even claimed that the concept of a logical truth in itself was just something invented by the corrupt Western society in favor of its own ideologies, which is the equivalent of saying "what I'm saying makes absolutely no sense right now, but when we remove all traces of Western thought from this world, it will, so you'll just have to trust me on it for now".

Fascism doesn't work, because one of its central tenants is that the strong should look out for the strong, with no pity or mercy for the losers. And Fascism has lost every battle they tried to set up in every country, so by their own logic, their ideology does not deserve a place in this world.

>>	Alice Margatroid !3hRoneryhQ Mon Aug 30 23:48:55 2010 No.6045632 File: 216 KB, 600x800, b42c0244892940cdb067c128c51bf571.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I read a lot of Russian History, so I'd have to say Communists, but the Nazi uniform is the coolest outfit ever, so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 30 23:50:55 2010 No.6045641 Can't we all just get along?

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