anime is doomed, how is /jp/?

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Satoshi Kon, director of Millennium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, Paprika
>He makes a comment: the disposable nature of anime today; back in the days, there was more anticipation and fans digested each work better.
>"Animation based on popular manga and giant robots and big-eyed girls with shamefully skimpy costumes will continue to fill the screen. I think that's okay. These productions fill demands; the audiences for them support the Japanese animation industry. Thanks to them, there is room for a non-mainstream creator like me. Of course, I hope many unusual pieces will also appear."

Mamoru Hosoda, director of Digimon Our War Game, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time and Summer Wars.
>To Mamoru Hosoda, the game ideas published by Shigeru Miyamoto (Nintendo), enjoyed by many people throughout the generation with his "suits all tastes" style, is the solution to overcome stagnation in the anime industry.

Hayao Miyazaki, director of Nausicaä, Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away
>"I think Japanese animation is facing a dead end," he said.
>"I think there is a chance that the spread of Japanese animation overseas might only lead to embarrassment."
>And he described younger anime makers as the "copycat generation".

Yoshiyuki Tomino, creator of the Gundam franchise
>"All I can say is that the creative process in Japan is obviously showing a decline."
>Stop buying anime magazine and stop watching anime now.
>If you have time go see some real paintings and watch live performance at theaters.

Hideaki Anno, director of Evangelion
>He feels anime industry is exhausted : A continuing trend of stagnation.
>And said "over the past years, there has been no anime "newer" than Eva."

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/a/

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Katsuhiro Otomo, director of Steamboy and Akira
>'The skills of traditional animators have become worse, and notable young animators have not come out to the scene. This is a big issue for the industry. '

Mamoru Oshii's, director of Ghost in the Shell
>"The world of hand-drawn Japanese animation became useless long ago, as far as level of achievement and talent. The stuff airing on television these days can just be churned out, mass produced.

>I certainly think that animation is like a handicraft. If you ask me, it’s similar to the miracle that is shrine carpentry. Do you know how many people are weeded out before a single person rises to the top and becomes a qualified shrine carpenter? How much training is required? That’s why I compare animation to shrine carpentry: you simply cannot mass produce it. But now, we’re reaching our limits. If you want to know why, it’s because all the really talented animators that are sustaining the world of hand-drawn animation, the 20 or so of them, are all over 40. So think about it, in another 10 years, what’s going to happen?

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Yutaka Yamamoto, former KyoAni director, on the state of the anime industry:
>Nowadays, good animation doesn't good sales, most otakus barely even notice good animation quality, only sakuga fags happy to see animation
>For example, Denno Coil and Birdy: Decode sale fail to live up to sakuga fags's hype, compare to Bakemonogatari and Railgun win the Otaku market.
>Your anime is always going to end up on Youtube. We're reaching the end of being able to sell home video. We're probably going to back to toy-funded business models of past: give anime away, try to sell toys.
>The lack of originality and the desire for exclusivity by the fandom has created a highly transparent industry. Mr Yamamoto affirms that the creators and the fans are “too close.” This is the biggest reason behind the isolation of the anime industry. The creators feel too obligated to please their fans, and the fans naturally expect the creators of anime to cater to them specifically, as opposed to society at large. This negative feedback loop simply exacerbates the problem over time, and now we have an industry that has boxed itself into a dead end.

Dai Sato, scriptwriter of Ghost in the Shell: SAC, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo
>“When I see anime today, I realize that we have no pride left.”
>Sato was upset with the lack of respect for stories in Japan. He pointed out that “Ergo Proxy had DVD box sets around the world, but not in Japan.
>Anime has become a “super establishment system,” where nothing can be changed. And the system is moving towards the model of Akihabara – the importance of characters, images, merchandise.. As Sato sees it: “Manga is the last hold out. If that is lost, there will be no more anime.”
>He feels anime will die out in Japan over the next few decades

[Anonymous No.]

this thread again.

[Anonymous No.]

Not /jp/ related

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China will make better anime soon anyway.

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http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/5846211
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/5896207
We have entered an endless recursion of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>good sales=/=good anime
When people say this they say really stupid.(besides it's only there opinion of what not "good")

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If ZUN would give his full blessings to a Touhou anime it would solve everyone's problems

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>Shitty directors who makes pretentious shit no one cares about complaining about the market instead of actually trying to produce anime that people will like
>Popular directors bragging about how much better and creative they are than everyone else
HOLY SHIT WE'RE ALL DOOMED

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>>6035799
My thoughts exactly.

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Everyone already knows this OP. I said it before and I will always say it, moe shit is killing anime. It is churned out at a fast pace to cater to the otaku's needs for more big eyed girls acting retarded in their daily lives. It is pathetic. Slice of life moe shit boring, unrewarding, requires no thought process and in the end is trivial.

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>>6035775
Good sales = more $$$ for anime industry = anime industry not dying
Bad sales = no $$$ for anime industry = anime industry going bankrupt

>>6035757
>>6035761
>>6035764
Typical butthurt past it anime directors bawwing about how their anime isn't selling. Not to mention one of them coming from an ex lucky shit director.

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>>6035803
>moe shit is killing anime
This single sentence always makes it easy to spot the clueless retards.

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Back to >>>/a/, please.

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>>6035803
Retard detected.
Maybe you should stop watching anime since almost every shows that is in existence has moe.

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>>6035808
Oh, so you enjoy watching a gang of 4-6 girls wander around for an entire episode looking for some ice-cream parlor that sells double-mint chocolate chip and getting into hijinks and acting like retards along the way? That's fine.

I'll be over here watching something that at least requires some of my brain cells to be firing off. The anime industry isn't dying. Moe, slice of life will eventually be the ONLY thing Japan produces.

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people defending moe anime? on my /elititsts secret club/?

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>>6035805
>Not to mention one of them coming from an ex lucky shit director.
Oh shit, you're right, it's him. He's pretty gutsy and likes talking big, but he doesn't really have much right to complain when he did those infamous 4 first episodes that I haven't seen a single person claim to enjoy.

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>>6035830
They should do it, over saturation always leads to repulse from the potential buyers, who will start asking for different things.
So let them drown in moe slice of life till they have more than enough.

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>>6035808
>>6035815
I'm right, you're both wrong. Deal with it little boys, m'kay?

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>>6035830
You are under the illusion that moe and good is mutually exclusive.
Sorry but you are dead wrong. There are plenty of shows that is good and still have fuck tons of moe characters.
Perhaps you need to go back to /a/ and stay there to be brainwash into thinking that "MOE IS THE CANCER KILLING THE INDUSTRY".

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Japan needs to stop with the girly shit and produce some more manly anime. Stuff that makes you want to chop down trees with your teeth, cut the lawn with scissors, walk barefoot on asphalt on a hot summer's day.

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>>6035830
Name an anime that "requires some of [your] brain cells to be firing off." No one will agree with you.

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>>6035862
That fad stopped in the 80s and thank god.

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>>6035856
Sorry, but the fact that you make you're making points but giving no examples strengthens the fact that you're a ignorant cock lover who likes to watch girls act a fool on screen and squeal, "HOW CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE"

Suck on that fag.

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>>6035799
>Shitty directors who makes pretentious shit no one cares about complaining about the market instead of actually trying to produce anime that people will like
Don't worry, Satoshi Kon is working on-

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>>6035879
I was trying to let you save face.

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>>6035871
Feminist detected. Couldn't stand the manly could you? We need to have an anime where women are used as fuck toys and are thrown into huge boilers to help power the Earth. IT'S LIKE A NEW ALTERNATE ENERGY SOURCE

[Anonymous No.]

STOP

DISCUSSING

ANIME

IN HERE

FOR FUCK SAKE


go to /a/, all of you and don't mind about coming back.

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>>6035879
Not who you are talking to but yes i do enjoy watching anime like that heck my first anime was Sailor Moon.

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>>6035890
That whole list is nothing more than commie fucking trash. Nice job though bitch. You still FAIL

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This isn't the /jp/ I know. There must be some /a/ kiddies in this thread.

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>>6035893
Just saying the ultra manly style was utterly retarded

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>>6035830
Yes I enjoy these shows.
And I also enjoy shows where you have to "use" your braincells

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>>6035799
Seriously, this.
Just work hard to create a visual masterpiece with intellectual deepness. You are a goddamn japanese - working is your lives.

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>>6035890
>Nanoha
>God tier

HA HA OH WOW

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When people think "moe"(it's really not a word or genre) anime is crap they are usually the people like shit like Dragon Ball.

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>>6035915
The ones (or rather only one ?) spouting "moeshit is killing the industry" are definitely from /a/ or /v/.

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>>6035912
And I'm just saying you're a piece of shit feminist or man who has been converted which still makes you a walking, talking human trash can.

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>>6035921
Bitch I hate moe and love Robosex

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>>6035890
I don't get how Azumanga manages to be so high on the list when the characters act as silly as most other slice of life characters out there.

Is it because they did it first?

K-on is literally Azumanga Daioh, except all the characters were compressed into 3 people, and there's Mugi and guitars.

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>>6035930
Even if he is a feminist that's not a bad thing(though it's not a good thing either.)men are just as bad as feminist though with all the anti girly stuff.

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To all the ones arguing against my points that moe is shit, suck on my nuts bitches. For real.

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>>6035942
Hermaphrodists are the way to go

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>>6035941
K-ON is more popular. People resent popular things.

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>>6035919
>nanoha
>not God Tier

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>>6035930
Neither, just that I don't like that style, manly anime are just as bad as ultra girly more more SoLs.

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>>6035879
>the fact that you make you're making points but giving no examples
Look who's talking.

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>HURR AFTERSCHOOL TEA TIME

What the fuck is up with Japan and girls in maid outfits serving tea at school?

It's goddamn ridiculous.

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Why is this thread still here, are the fucking janitors retarded or something?

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>>6035948
What a disgusting person and that does not help your point.

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>>6035948
Your greentext and reaction images are very convincing.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>6035941
When I watched Azumanga Daioh, I generally enjoyed its humour. When I tried watching K-ON when it first started airing, I just though it was boring and had no worth in watching.

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>>6035966
>>6035969
Uh oh, looks like the haters are tryin' to gang up on me now that I've shown everyone what cock loving fags they are! Come at me bitches, my nuts are waiting.

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>>6035941
You know who K-On appeals to? Faggots who cannot stand the concepts of drama or action. They watch slice of life SHIT like k-on because they're afraid to actually get attached to something, and watch as that something encounters problems. They can't stand the thought that their precious character might suffer, so they delude themselves with these shitty completely 1 dimensional characters who will never do anything aside from eat some fucking cake, go to sleep, and look cute. I could draw parallels to other slice of life shit like Azumanga Daioh. I could, be it not for the fact that Azumanga Daioh displays genuine character interaction and conflicts. You laugh at the cuteness of Chiyo-chan from an adult's point of view, you laugh at Chiyo-chan because she's a child, a genius child who was thrown into a place with people older than her and ironically being the most mature. You laugh because you see the simple genuine happiness everyday life can bring a to unique/special child. K-On? I barely even laugh after 34episodes of going through it.

K-on doesn't have anything remotely interesting as that, it caters to pathetic people who are afraid of interaction and disappointment, the same kind of people who lock themselves in their houses and blindly choose to ignore the reality in front of them, the fucking otaku scum.

Slice of like gets its humor from the way characters interact with their peers and their problems on a day to day basis. Calling K-on, a series which does not even as much as pretend to address this issue, is a slap to the fucking face to the genre.

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>To Mamoru Hosoda, the game ideas published by Shigeru Miyamoto (Nintendo), enjoyed by many people throughout the generation with his "suits all tastes" style, is the solution to overcome stagnation in the anime industry.
Rehash the same shit over and over again, never put in an actual storyline or characters with actual depth, and just throw pretty visuals and new music over it?

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>>6035982
Cool story bro. Why did you watch it up till now if you hate it so much though ?

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Is this moe?

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>Hideaki Anno, director of Evangelion
>He feels anime industry is exhausted : A continuing trend of stagnation.
>And said "over the past years, there has been no anime "newer" than Eva."
I don't think you're allowed to talk about your own work like that.

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>>6035982
Is this a copypasta or what? What kind of lunatic watches 34 episodes of something that they consider shit?

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Read this book; then you will realize that trying to make "intellectual" or "intelligent" anime is a misguided idea since the very medium of television prevents it from being conducive to rational thought.

Anime and television are only effective as entertainment. To try to bring them into other realms of intellectual thought and social commentary is actually dangerous, since they will drive out other mediums which actually can support real thought, like literature and public debate.

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Read this book; then you will realize that trying to make "intellectual" or "intelligent" anime is a misguided idea since the very medium of television prevents it from being conducive to rational thought.

Anime and television are only effective as entertainment. To try to bring them into other realms of intellectual thought and social commentary is actually dangerous, since they will drive out other mediums which actually can support real thought, like literature and public debate.

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Stop posting guys.

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>>6035994
>What kind of lunatic watches 34 episodes of something that they consider shit?

This is how fansub watchers work. They have no respect or understanding for the medium of anime, and only watch it to show off to their friends and lengthen their ePeen.

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>Satoshi Kon, director of Millennium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, Paprika

dead from cancer

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>>6036011
>>6035994
Maybe because even though he watched it he still think it is shallow and is only using it as a form of escapism.

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ohboyitsthisshitagain.jpg

And people continue to respond to it.