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[Anonymous No.]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/does-the-past-exist-yet-e_b_683103.html?view=print

>...historical events such as who killed JFK, might also depend on events that haven't occurred yet. There's enough uncertainty that it could be one person in one set of circumstances, or another person in another. Although JFK was assassinated, you only possess fragments of information about the event. But as you investigate, you collapse more and more reality. According to biocentrism, space and time are relative to the individual observer - we each carry them around like turtles with shells.

History is a biological phenomenon − it's the logic of what you, the animal observer experiences. You have multiple possible futures, each with a different history like in the Science experiment. Consider the JFK example: say two gunmen shot at JFK, and there was an equal chance one or the other killed him. This would be a situation much like the famous Schrödinger's cat experiment, in which the cat is both alive and dead − both possibilities exist until you open the box and investigate.

"We must re-think all that we have ever learned about the past, human evolution and the nature of reality, if we are ever to find our true place in the cosmos," says Constance Hilliard, a historian of science at UNT. Choices you haven't made yet might determine which of your childhood friends are still alive, or whether your dog got hit by a car yesterday. In fact, you might even collapse realities that determine whether Noah's Ark sank. "The universe," said John Haldane, "is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose."

[Anonymous No.]

I am a closed-minded commoner and I refuse to believe such nonsense. It's just common sense that only one past exists.

[Anonymous No.]

I would say this belongs in /sci/
but this is just stupid

[Anonymous No.]

Fuckingstupid.jpg

Shit does not work that way in our dimension.

[Anonymous No.]

Quantum mechanics does not work on the macro level you tard

[Anonymous No.]

>scientists in France shot photons into an apparatus, and showed that what they did could retroactively change something that had already happened.

Dohoho

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>>5999167
Quantum mechanics do work on macro level, just that on such a ridiculously small extent that they never have any noticeable effect, unless you resort to specialized dickery to make say, entanglement work on viruses. That was tried, if I recall, and they're going for tardigrades next.

Still, the murderer of JFK changing is less likely than JFK never getting shot at all and having actually faked his death, so I'm just nitpicking here.

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>>5999154
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

I lol'd.

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>>5999167
Quantum mechanics is the macro level.

[Anonymous No.]

Sweet, I'm gonna go troll /sci/ with this

[Anonymous No.]

6 000 000 get

[Anonymous No.]

1. Dog died yesterday
2. Kill best friend today on purpose in attempt to change the past
3. ???
4. Profit!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>http://www.huffingtonpost.com
This is not your only problem, but it is the most egregious one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5999422
1. Born as a man
2. Kill best friend today on purpose in attempt to change the past
3. Become unaging elegant little girl with caring but perverted lesbian elder sister who insists we sleep on the same bed and molests me every night.

[S BENZ No.]

Facinating....

Requires further proof/disproof, and testing for the theory to gain some weight though.

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>>6000000

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>>5999485
I'll be waiting for you tonight, in bed

[Anonymous No.]

This is so goddamn retarded. Also, what does it have to do with /jp/?

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>>6000384

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>>6000384
Umineko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6000384
>>6000388
Its basically Seacats in a nutshell, thus OP's image.

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>>6000384
Well, it's interesting and we have 13 more pages to fill.

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>>6000391
>>6000393
Except in Umineko "different past" can exist because the real truth is (was?) unknown. Basically it's just speculations: what happened on that day, it has nothing to do with changing the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>quantum mysticism

>scientists in France shot photons into an apparatus, and showed that what they did could retroactively change something that had already happened.

How would you be able to tell?

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>>6000463
That's called "retconning".

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>>6000481
That's called "retarded post".
The future and the past is fixed, it doesn't change. What changes is just contents of catbox of 4-5 October, 1986, depending on interpretation of a particular thinker. It changes nothing, the real truth of 4-5 October is fixed either, just unknown, which allows any interpretation to exist.

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>>5999193

So Erika's a photon?

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>>6000507
Except when you're changing the known past of a fictional universe, which is called retconning.

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>>6000507
Wait, no, sorry, the post was retarded after all.

You see, I haven't played Umineko, I didn't realize you were referring to a real thing. My apologies.

[Anonymous No.]

I get this, a lot of people brought this up when Virgilia explained cat box.

Other things to look at are the Many Worlds Theory. It fits if you believe Kakaera = Alternate possibility.

Also ignore the sages, /jp/ is full of shit heads.

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>>6000517
There were several versions of event sealed in the message bottles immediately after the accident, so what's the known past in this case?

[Anonymous No.]

So who's the observer? Are they claiming that everyone us is effecting the past or is there s higher thing observing or is everybody's collective subconscious effecting things. Does observer mean anything that's alive?

I like these stories since they're interesting but in all honesty they compress a whole lot of information and dumb down a lot of things with metaphors so the layman can get it and we may misinterprete or miss something in the process

[Anonymous No.]

tl;dr Article redefines the meaning of the word 'history' as 'what we think happened' rather than 'what actually happened'.

Everything else it says, if you accept this definition, is basically so obvious that it's not even worth mentioning.

[Anonymous No.]

So that means I really can deny being raped and this really might have been just a nightmare if you kill anyone that might prove it? Pretty convenient.

[Anonymous No.]

THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH

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>>6000614
>>One truth
>>coming out about being gay

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>>6000613

Exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: suddenly everyone's a comedian.

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>>6000633

I lol'd.

[Anonymous No.]

I'd like to say to this article: screw you. It doesn't matter whether we think JFK was killed by one gunman or two gunman: only one reality did occur and if he was killed by one gunman but we say two then we are WRONG. Not looking at an alternate reality: WRONG.

(Of course, this just may be part of an ongoing PR fight against Glenn Beck, who is currently in "learn from our history" mode as far as I can tell. I wouldn't put it past the Huffington Post given the quality of their articles in the past.)

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>>6000654
How can you be so sure?

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>>6000614
And the truth is almost everybody's dead

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>>6000657
The real question is how you could be so unsure.