Umineko EP 7 Part 28

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Umineko EP 7 Part 28 Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:02:46 2010 No.5971353 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:04:46 2010 No.5971366 Will and Leon are a nice pair, too bad the homolust is uncertain

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:09:46 2010 No.5971399 >>5971366 The best part is knowing that Will doesn't care anyway.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:13:46 2010 No.5971411 File: 482 KB, 1023x585, 11975304.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Double PERSONA

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:21:46 2010 No.5971436 >>5971400 Someone should color it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:26:46 2010 No.5971462 File: 358 KB, 785x626, 12647113.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] moar of them !

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:28:46 2010 No.5971471 >>5971462 Why am I still surprised at how quickly Japan generates fanart?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:29:46 2010 No.5971478 File: 410 KB, 640x480, whoareugais.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] so moe~ It's still a girl to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:33:46 2010 No.5971491 >>5971471 KL is canadian though

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:39:46 2010 No.5971521 Have you guys forgotten about the pretty fantastical butterflies and seas of jelly ;_;?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:41:46 2010 No.5971526 File: 163 KB, 850x850, sample-c50146ecebfe0798c9ddbcf557897101.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So, no delicious loli witch s/u/btext in this episode?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:45:46 2010 No.5971542 >>5971462 Who are these guys?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:47:46 2010 No.5971549 >>5971521 um. no?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:48:46 2010 No.5971550 >>5971542 Probably new characters from the Umineko remake that Alchemist is making.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:48:46 2010 No.5971554 >>5971542 Nobody knows, but they're from http://www.alchemist-net.co.jp/new-project/

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:49:46 2010 No.5971557 >>5971526 T_T

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:54:46 2010 No.5971571 >>5971554 Possibly a spin-off? We had Onisarashi-hen in Higurashi. Maybe it'll be like this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 22:55:46 2010 No.5971575 Rion will always be a female to until her gender is confirmed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:01:46 2010 No.5971590 Is Alchemist actually doing a remake, or just a spin-off? I sincerely hope it's the former...

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:02:46 2010 No.5971596 >>5971575 Well Natsuhi acknowledged the baby as her son in Ep.5 and that's the only proof we have. I bet R07 is keeping the penis ambiguous to not upset the hordes of Shannon/Meta-Beatrice husbandos.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:05:46 2010 No.5971605 File: 140 KB, 500x750, 12630116_p2e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hope you like half-assed translations and editing. (1/9)

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Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:09:46 2010 No.5971623

As far as Yasu and Eva goes, I don't see the point of arguing.

Yasu planned to kill people, but never did. Also, she had no problem with taking responsibility for her attempted actions. But her being so open about _everything_ created a powder keg that exploded.

On the other hand, Eva didn't plot to kill anyone, but did. She also refused to take responsibility for her own actions, which directly led to what happened on Rokkenjima.

I also think their lives can't really be compared.

Eva didn't get to become head like she dreamed, but she still managed to be happy (until Rokkenjima) and had knowledge of being loved and cared for. She was allowed to make choices. After Rokkenjima, things were painful. But I think they were painful because Eva couldn't forgive _herself_ and took it out on Ange. Eva is tragic and great because she couldn't rise above her own flaws when she reached a certain point. Eva could never truly become bigger than herself.

Yasu, on the other hand, never reached happiness, no matter what she did. Whatever she tried, failed. While it's true, her life wasn't hellish in terms of what she went through physically, spiritually she was worn down until she broke. Even when she realized the most she could look forward to in life was being "a good maid", even when she had to face the fact that Battler had forgotten about her completely, she still continued on without blaming people. It was only after finding out that the people she trusted had lied to her her entire life that she finally broken down. This doesn't excuse her actions, but I feel as bad for her as I do Eva. Even when Yasu left everything to chance, she still lost. She always loses.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:11:46 2010 No.5971632 >>5971623 THANK YOU. Is it alright if I save this for later use?

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>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:12:46 2010 No.5971638 >>5971632 I'm flattered. Go ahead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:13:46 2010 No.5971641 >>5971605 >>5971606 >>5971610 >>5971617 >>5971621 >>5971625 >>5971630 >>5971632 >>5971634 >>5971636 oh god ;________;

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:14:46 2010 No.5971645 >>5971636 FFFFFF

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:16:46 2010 No.5971659 Or why Bern is a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:16:46 2010 No.5971661 >>5971636 fuuuuckkkk

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>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:19:46 2010 No.5971675 >>5971659 you meant Kyrie, right?

Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:23:46 2010 No.5971692
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So, my biggest question as I read Yasu backstory is how does she get away with her game of dress-up? How did she get "Shannon" and "Kanon" recognized as servants in the Ushiromiya mansion? Did Genji and Kumasawa pull some strings?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:26:46 2010 No.5971711 >>5971675 No, Bern. It was planned by Bern in order to destroy Beatrice's "last hope", who is Lion.

Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:32:46 2010 No.5971737

>>5971692
I think she only dressed up as Kanon, not Shannon. Though it is possible that Shannon is also a disguise. If that's the case, I'd say Genji is behind it.

There is proof that she looks closer to Beatrice than she does Shannon or Kanon. In EP4, Piece-Battler met a Piece-Beatrice coming down the stairs, before the scene switched to the meta argument.

Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:37:46 2010 No.5971756

So can we connect this song yet?

The cloudy, blue sky
The two of us walked
Back then, you were still laughing

The old, red days
I wonder why I can’t go back to them
Even though I only see up until then, it’s distant

Now, I see my unattainable dreams
No matter how far I go, I feel like I’m running in circles

For some reason, I can no longer remember
Your last words

The sky suddenly disappeared
I can’t see my memories, either

Chasing, chasing

I’ll keep chasing it until I can reach it
The sound of your heartbeat was distant

I got rid of things until it became distant

I gathered up your feelings
Thank you for the Mothers’ Day letter

Why? Why?
Why am I alone?

I’ve always felt like this

Chasing, chasing

I’ll keep chasing it until I can reach it
I overflowed with memories of you

I wake up from the dream all alone

I can’t see your face
I tightly embraced your shoes before looking

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:45:46 2010 No.5971805 >>5971737 Hmm... But even if she didn't dress up as Shannon, she still started suddenly going by a different name, right? Wouldn't some of the other servant girls -- and I guess Natsuhi -- find it a bit weird?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:45:46 2010 No.5971808 >>5971737 There's also the whole "OH SHIT SHE HAS THE FACE OF THE WOMAN IN THE PORTRAIT" bit. Which is actually seconded by Kinzo in Episode 7. >>5971756 What's that from?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:47:46 2010 No.5971816 >>5971808 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIgWtV4juN0

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:48:46 2010 No.5971821 >>5971756 I think that song is about Maria and Rosa, personally. Does anyone have a copy of the Discode lyrics? Someone translated them a long time ago on /a/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:56:46 2010 No.5971872 >>5971821 > I think that song is about Maria and Rosa, personally. Maybe, maybe not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y6v-uywMcE

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:57:40 2010 No.5971876 >>5971821 There's this version: http://atashi.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/umineko-no-naku-koro-ni-episode-4-alliance-of-the-golden-witc h-ending-theme-discode/

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 18 23:58:46 2010 No.5971881 >>5971876 >>5971821 > There's this version: http://atashi.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/umineko-no-naku-koro-ni-episode-4-alliance-of-the-golden-witc h-ending-theme-discode/

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:01:46 2010 No.5971906 >>5971872 ...Goddammit DEEN. How the hell did they do so well on the preview and then completely fuck up the episode itself?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:06:46 2010 No.5971949 File: 336 KB, 412x584, summer-teen-rika-and-evil-rakka.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] An Umineko console release with possible better art? Yes, please. If someone can pull a character art switch like Higurashi's PS2 art, I would die happy.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:06:46 2010 No.5971950

So, quick question. I just caught up on the earlier threads since yesterday and I noticed this said a few times:

Even if it's crack, how exactly did the Asumu = Hachijo theory come about, and what is the basis of it? I'm not trolling here, I seriously want to know because I had the same theory a while back before episode 6 was even translated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:09:46 2010 No.5971969 >>5971950 Mostly due to kanji readings and number puzzles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:09:46 2010 No.5971970 >>5971949 Umineko's art is fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:10:46 2010 No.5971979 >>5971949 Ew no. Umineko's art is very expressive, I really don't want them to switch to generic skinny vn style.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:10:46 2010 No.5971982

>>5971969
Kanji readings and number puzzles? Can you explain further? I don't quite understand.

Oh, to add to this, when I came up with the theory it was just a random thought. Whenever I saw that others had it, I started thinking that they found a basis for it, so that's all I really want to know.

>>	Trollkastel !Nipa.MUHj6 Thu Aug 19 00:10:46 2010 No.5971983 >>5971906 All of the previews were generally better than the actual episodes... The anime would've been awesome if they made a spin-off parody instead.

>>	Trollkastel !!Dzu45XInYEy Thu Aug 19 00:12:46 2010 No.5971998 >>5971950 Bunch of word play.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:12:46 2010 No.5971999

>>5971979
Agreed. Honestly, I think the art is like this on purpose. Umineko is primarily about story. Ryukishi doesn't want people to be distracted by flashy graphics and character design and whatnot and that's why the characters are made the way they are, because they suffice for the story.

At least, that's my theory.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:14:46 2010 No.5972017 >>5971999 You'd have to be a retard to be so distracted by the art that the story becomes non-existant. People preferred the Higurashi PS2 art switch, why not Umineko?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:15:46 2010 No.5972022 >>5971982 I don't remember it very well. If you search easy-modo for Asumu you should find several posts with the full reasoning fairly easily.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:16:46 2010 No.5972027 >>5972022 Huh, alright. I'll do that. Thank you.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:18:46 2010 No.5972042

>>5972017
I didn't really prefer it per say. Neither one was really that good, but the original was better at carrying a certain mood.

I'm sort of interested in the character designs, but at the same time, you already know exactly what they'll look like too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:19:46 2010 No.5972047 >>5972017 Higurashi's art was a lot worse than Umineko's, though. Well, regardless of the art, I'd love a PS2 port because of the voice patch. Mmm Sayaka Ohara.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:20:46 2010 No.5972056 Art in Umineko manga is better than original while still expressive. You just like Touhou fans who bawwing that ZUN art is godly and no one can draw like him

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:21:46 2010 No.5972068 >>5972056 >Art in Umineko manga is better than original while still expressive. Art in Umineko manga is hilarious, and I wouldn't play a game that looked like it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:22:46 2010 No.5972072 >>5972027 Just in case you're still here http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4417315#p4417546

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:23:46 2010 No.5972080 >>5972027 Don't do that, it'll take too long. Here's the first instance of the theory on /jp/, from back in February: http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4296819 Now bookmark it like I did.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:23:46 2010 No.5972081 File: 85 KB, 209x192, 1256140622439.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5972056 That's different. In Umineko, characters get 3485726 different facial expressions while if they got a psp port like Higurashi, it would just be like :I :) :(

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:23:46 2010 No.5972082 >>5972068 I would Also, there are different artist for manga if I remember correctly

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:26:46 2010 No.5972094 File: 134 KB, 984x1421, dammitnatsumikei.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5972082 Well they all draw the same fucking ridiculous crazy faces. I don't get how they expect us to take Beatrice seriously.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:27:46 2010 No.5972104

>>People preferred the Higurashi PS2 art switch

He...no.

>>Art in Umineko manga is better than original while still expressive. You just like Touhou fans who bawwing that ZUN art is godly and no one can draw like him

And you are the one who don't understand that good art != LOLREALISTIC

>>5972094
.. what the fuck is this supposed to be?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:28:46 2010 No.5972105 >>5972080 Thank you very much. I was lost in a sea of easymodo. I bookmarked it. Huh. This is actually pretty amazing, and really clever on Ryukishi's part if it's true.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:28:46 2010 No.5972111
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While I agree that R07's art is very expressive, I'm surprised anybody would be against new sprites. Matsuri wasn't just a sprite swap either, it also had special art for many scenes and was a vast improvement in many ways.

I don't think it's something R07 does his style for any particular purpose, I just think he'd rather spend his time on the story.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:30:46 2010 No.5972120 Well graphic in Higurashi was kind of tough to take. But Umineko don't have this problem at all, man i love how chars are done

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:32:46 2010 No.5972130 >>5972120 So do I. I'm extremely attached to the art. Hell, I love everything about Umineko. I wouldn't change a damn thing about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:32:46 2010 No.5972131 >>5972111 PS2 is the shittiest one here. She hardly looks intimidating. Manga and R07's sprites are the best when it comes to Higurashi art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:32:46 2010 No.5972135 >>5972120 Yeah. Higurashi's original style was a major turn off for me but I like Umineko just fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:32:46 2010 No.5972137 >>5972104 >And you are the one who don't understand that good art != LOLREALISTIC I can't say that Ryukishi art is bad. But saying that skilled artist can't draw new art just as good is just like fanboism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:33:46 2010 No.5972139 >>5972111 Original: "Oh god, what the fuck is wrong with your face?!" PS2: "Oh god, she's is slightly peeved at m--hey, wait, do you have cataracts? You should see a doctor about that."

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:33:46 2010 No.5972144 >>5972111 Original Rena looks the best. VN style is bland and the other two are just lolugly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:35:46 2010 No.5972154 >>5972131 Not really a fair comparison since in Matsuri it's not just a static Rena sprite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIoBnu-vEA

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:38:46 2010 No.5972170 >>5972154 That made it even funnier.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:49:46 2010 No.5972225 hey guys, Will fight scene incoming, also tea party, you guys should get in http://www.livestream.com/streamofstuffandjunk

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 00:56:46 2010 No.5972263

>>5971623
>Yasu, on the other hand, never reached happiness, no matter what she did. Whatever she tried, failed. While it's true, her life wasn't hellish in terms of what she went through physically, spiritually she was worn down until she broke. Even when she realized the most she could look forward to in life was being "a good maid", even when she had to face the fact that Battler had forgotten about her completely, she still continued on without blaming people. It was only after finding out that the people she trusted had lied to her her entire life that she finally broken down. This doesn't excuse her actions, but I feel as bad for her as I do Eva. Even when Yasu left everything to chance, she still lost. She always loses.

This is not so true. Sure, she had a relatively hard life, but not a terrible one. The revelation about her birth should have been shocking, but Kinzo made it clear she was loved. Not only that, Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo were there for her. Also, after earning all that money there was nothing she couldn't do. She could leave the island any moment she wanted.

Additionally, what about George or Jessica? Both of them loved her. Especially George, with who Shannon had already started a relationship, and George made it clear he was serious about it.

I mean, seriously, it wasn't as if Yasu didn't have any options.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:18:02 2010 No.5972404 http://plus4chan.org/tv/fullstream.php?channel=streamofstuffandjunk TEAPARTY STREAM TIME!!!!

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:20:46 2010 No.5972413

>>5972225
Hey again everyone, for those who didn't join on the last post, we're at the Tea Party now. I won't spoil anything for you, but it's about the same length of the main game. Also, awesome culprit marginal reveal. so hop in, stream still at

http://www.livestream.com/streamofstuffandjunk

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:21:46 2010 No.5972422

Sooo... Regarding Leon... I haven't read episode 7 and I'm just going off of the spoilers... I know that he's a 1/(insert huge impossible number) here chance of being accepted and if he isn't accepted he gets thrown into an orphanage and becomes Yasu (if I've understood this correctly, if I haven't, I apologize and please correct me)... but to my understanding, he also appears in the Tea Party.

Now, as I've read... When Leon is accepted, no murders are committed. The tragedies are avoided. However, in the Tea Party, he's still accepted and the tragedies still happen, regardless of whether or not they were brought about by Rudolf and Kyrie out of coincidence. So why do they happen? Because the adults pulled off the miracle of solving the epitaph?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:22:46 2010 No.5972428 >>5972413 >it's about the same length of the main game ......................are you serious. So this tea party is even longer than the EP4 tea party? It's hours long?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:25:46 2010 No.5972445

>>5972428
heh, sorry, its about 2 or 3 chapters long, the main game is 11, and since I skipped alot on my first playthrough and read all of the tea party, it felt equal. But yeah, its still really long, Ryukishi kind of flipped the order of this game, all the Meta world is main game, the "board" is in the tea party

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:26:46 2010 No.5972448 >>5972422 It's because Kyrie can be a ruthless opportunist when she wants to.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:27:46 2010 No.5972455 >>5972448 Ah, I see. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:31:46 2010 No.5972480 >>5972263 I've only gotten to the part where the epitaph gets put up so I'm no expert, but doesn't Yasu consider herself a different person from Shannon and Kanon? No matter what happens to those two, it shouldn't affect her that strongly.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:32:46 2010 No.5972488

>The revelation about her birth should have been shocking, but Kinzo made it clear she was loved.
How was that? The only reason he called her into the room was to pretend she was Beatrice and apologize to her so he could die contented.

>Not only that, Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo were there for her.
It's not like they bothered to ever talk to her about this or anything so she could make a decision to talk to Kinzo or leave it alone. No, they tricked her so that she had no choice but to play a role in Kinzo's little forgiveness play, then dumped everything else on her at once.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:33:46 2010 No.5972491

>>5972488
>Also, after earning all that money there was nothing she couldn't do. She could leave the island any moment she wanted.
She had no concept of life outside the island or her choices. There are several times in the narrative where she mentions she wants to contact Battler, but she knows it'll look weird for a maid to ask for his contact information, or dreams about being on her own unrealistically. She has no context in which to leave and live a normal life.

>Additionally, what about George or Jessica? Both of them loved her. Especially George, with who Shannon had already started a relationship, and George made it clear he was serious about it.
George's relationship with Shannon was all about George. Jessica's relationship with Kanon was all about Jessica. George especially was bad about this. Haven't you noticed that all his talks about the future are about HIS dreams? Shannon plays a role as a maid, plays a role as a lover, and then gets to play a role as a wife? Nothing else? And Jessica/Kanon is shallow infatuation.

>I mean, seriously, it wasn't as if Yasu didn't have any options.
And would those options have brought her happiness? George proposes to her and all he can blab about is the children they're going to have. Yeah, that's not a bad dream, but it's not one Yasu can participate in, obviously. Jessica is too immature for a relationship with Kanon to go anywhere. Even EP6 doesn't have them getting together in the Golden Land, where all wishes are supposed to be granted, say nothing of the real world, where all it takes is Natsuhi throwing her ass off the island.

Okay, so love isn't the answer, then what? Leave the island, and...do what? Be a "really good maid" for someone else? Use the money to buy shit?

Yasu doesn't care about being rich. She doesn't even care about leaving the island. All she wants to do is believe that her destiny isn't written in stone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:34:39 2010 No.5972491,1 Will is the hottest thing since sex.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:38:46 2010 No.5972520

>>5972422
The adults were bitching about Leon being the next head, so Kinzo broke out the epitaph and said something that made it worth their while to try it. (Some of the examples Bern gives are "putting off Leon becoming head", "more discussion about it", or the same way the epitaph works in regular Umineko) Kinzo is sure they won't solve it.

In any case, the adults solve it once again. Rinse and repeat the same thing that happened in the Tea Party.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:52:46 2010 No.5972605

>>5972488
>How was that? The only reason he called her into the room was to pretend she was Beatrice and apologize to her so he could die contented.

Kinzo told her he knew who she was. So, he wasn't pretending she was Beatrice. He even told her the name he intended to give her.

>She had no concept of life outside the island or her choices. There are several times in the narrative where she mentions she wants to contact Battler, but she knows it'll look weird for a maid to ask for his contact information, or dreams about being on her own unrealistically. She has no context in which to leave and live a normal life.

Dude, come one, you know these are just excuses. If she didn't know what to do alone, she could have lived with Nanjo, or with Kumasawa. She had received education, so she could have tried going to University.

>George's relationship with Shannon was all about George. Jessica's relationship with Kanon was all about Jessica. George especially was bad about this. Haven't you noticed that all his talks about the future are about HIS dreams? Shannon plays a role as a maid, plays a role as a lover, and then gets to play a role as a wife? Nothing else? And Jessica/Kanon is shallow infatuation.

Then why did she bother going out with George in the first place? If she didn't want to be with him, she could have ignored him. Seriously, you're blatantly making up excuses.

>And would those options have brought her happiness?

And what would have brought her happiness? Hell, even being with Battler didn't ensure her happiness. She had quite many options to try and find her own happiness. Yet, she decided to start this sick game.

Sorry, but I'm not buying this. I can try seeing this with love all I want, but this is inexcusable.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:56:46 2010 No.5972624

>>5972605
You still haven't responded to my question

>I've only gotten to the part where the epitaph gets put up so I'm no expert, but doesn't Yasu consider herself a different person from Shannon and Kanon? No matter what happens to those two, it shouldn't affect her that strongly.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 01:59:46 2010 No.5972653

>>5972624
I'm sorry, I didn't read your comment.
It's complicated. Yasu is aware of everything that happens with Shannon (and I guess it'd happen the same with Kanon).

There was also the part in which Shannon "gave her feelings to Beatrice (i.e. Yasu)." So, the one who carries that burden is Yasu.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 02:08:46 2010 No.5972726

>>5972605
>Kinzo told her he knew who she was. So, he wasn't pretending she was Beatrice. He even told her the name he intended to give her.
Kinzo wanted to feel good before he died and guilted a confused girl into playing a part she didn't want to.

>If she didn't know what to do alone, she could have lived with Nanjo, or with Kumasawa. She had received education, so she could have tried going to University.
You're grossly overestimating the influence these people had in her life. There's nothing that implies Kumasawa was open to Yasu living with her, say nothing of Nanjo who was basically a stranger. As for going to college, Yasu's concept of life outside the island is "I'd get to read more mysteries". Maybe if she had people in her life willing to talk to her instead of throwing her into situations she's ill-prepared to deal with, then I'd agree.

>Then why did she bother going out with George in the first place? If she didn't want to be with him, she could have ignored him. Seriously, you're blatantly making up excuses.
I think Shannon genuinely likes George, but it's impossible to tell how much of Shannon is real and how much of it is a part she's playing. Does she like George because Yasu likes George, or does she like George because he is the type of person "Shannon" would like?

>She had quite many options to try and find her own happiness.
She tried to take control of her own destiny by solving the epitaph, to prove that she could do it. Only to discover she would have been made to solve it one way or another, so nothing she does matters. It's like this with everything she tries.

Yasu isn't perfect. She's passive and has unrealistic dreams. But she did try to achieve happiness in a number of ways, and they met in failure one way or another.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 02:18:46 2010 No.5972787

>"......I, ......don't want that. I certainly won't smile...! Until Dad and Mom and Onii-chan come home, I will certainly never smile...!"

"You mustn't feel happiness. You musn't feel joy. .........You must never forget the sorrow of losing your family. ......And stay away from the demon who will try to make you forget that, who will try and decieve you. .........Ushiromiya Eva will try and crush that resolve many times with her sweet words. But you must never listen to them, alright...? Eva is a demon who will try and steal away your family for all eternity. *giggle*. No, she actually DID STEAL THEM AWAY."

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 02:21:46 2010 No.5972807 File: 310 KB, 1201x1125, 12620930_p1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5972787 Breaking news: Bern is a bitch. More at 11. At least Battler onii-chan will make things okay.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 02:23:46 2010 No.5972824

>>5972726
>Kinzo wanted to feel good before he died and guilted a confused girl into playing a part she didn't want to.

Dude, stop repeating that. Him wanting to find repentance before he died, and him genuinely loving Yasu are not mutually exclusive.

>You're grossly overestimating the influence these people had in her life. There's nothing that implies Kumasawa was open to Yasu living with her, say nothing of Nanjo who was basically a stranger. As for going to college, Yasu's concept of life outside the island is "I'd get to read more mysteries". Maybe if she had people in her life willing to talk to her instead of throwing her into situations she's ill-prepared to deal with, then I'd agree.

That's rubbish man. From Shannon's talk in past games (which were witnessed by Battler), we know she knows better about the outside world other than just reading mysteries. In fact, I remember her telling George the reason she had never left the island was because she was scared of leaving. But that's her simply not deciding to take a step. And before you tell me something like she didn't do it because she had not idea what to do. I honestly have no idea how murdering 16 people is a better idea.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 02:24:46 2010 No.5972828

>>5972824
>I think Shannon genuinely likes George, but it's impossible to tell how much of Shannon is real and how much of it is a part she's playing. Does she like George because Yasu likes George, or does she like George because he is the type of person "Shannon" would like?

AND SHANNON GENUINELY LOVED BATTLER TOO.
All of these are Yasu feelings. Come on, seriously...

>She tried to take control of her own destiny by solving the epitaph, to prove that she could do it. Only to discover she would have been made to solve it one way or another, so nothing she does matters. It's like this with everything she tries.
>Yasu isn't perfect. She's passive and has unrealistic dreams. But she did try to achieve happiness in a number of ways, and they met in failure one way or another.

So, when nothing else works, murder 16 people (who are technically your family), along with the guy you supposedly love (because he'll too go boom with the bomb).

Honestly dude, I feel we're going in circles.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 02:25:46 2010 No.5972837

>>5972726
There goes Magic of Miracles and Certainity being useless. Her values are too different to even use those things, she knows that her life is fucked up, but doesn't know any better. With certain willpower she could ALWAYS kill everyone(and Kanon&Shannon are in fact Lambda's pieces) and through finding a miracle(George?) she could escape the island, but she never wanted any of that.

Endless magic basically means being endlessly butthurt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 02:28:46 2010 No.5972868 >>5972807 >Breaking news: Bern doesn't exist. Ange is a spoiled brat. More at 11.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 02:31:46 2010 No.5972893 >>5972868 >>5972807 I wast talking about "Bern obviously knew the truth she showed in E7 even pre-E5, but still didn't know the 'truth' of Beato's games".

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 03:42:46 2010 No.5973244 http://www.livestream.com/uminekoatlasbackup alternate stream continuing where we left off at the tea party for those who want to keep going

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 04:29:46 2010 No.5973490

Aaaah~ I just finished reading EP7. Why do I see people talking like the stories Bern told were actually true? Ryukishi07 penciled in some of the more consistent fan theories as examples of solutions without love. Shkannontrice fags got told. Why don't you Shkannontrice guys come on out and let me see your butthurt tears. I've been waiting months to see your reactions. Crawl out of your hole and show me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 04:44:46 2010 No.5973552 >>5973490 Of fuck here we go....

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 04:53:46 2010 No.5973587 >>5973490 That guy definately has LOVE. LOVE OF TROLLING AND BEING RETARDED

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:08:46 2010 No.5973645 >>5973490 oh wow

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:19:46 2010 No.5973685 File: 2.38 MB, 2000x2850, 1281533574475.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've been away for a while. Have we gotten the full Op and Re:Hymn yet?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:21:46 2010 No.5973692

>I think Shannon genuinely likes George, but it's impossible to tell how much of Shannon is real and how much of it is a part she's playing. Does she like George because Yasu likes George, or does she like George because he is the type of person "Shannon" would like?
If the flashbacks are anything to go by, I thought it pretty obvious that while Yasu is the original and "controller" persona, Shannon has a personality of her own and genuinely fell in love with George.
I mean the whole scene about Shannon telling Yasu she likes being a human more than having tea with her is a huge clue on how her DID/delusions actually work.
We were obviously shown the sprites of the dominant "personality" during umineko and flashbacks, but I there's the possibility they don't match the actual person, if we leave the crossdressing device out for a moment.
I think Shannon looks a lot more Beatrice than her current sprite dows.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:24:46 2010 No.5973702

>>5973692
Dude, you're missing the whole point of various personas in Umineko if you still dabble in that. The big drama about Yasu is that each different part loves someone/something different and they cant co-exist because of that. Thus all needing to die but one. Its supposed to be tragic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:31:46 2010 No.5973717 >>5973702 but, that doesn't go against anything I said?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:40:46 2010 No.5973734

>>5973702
It's not.
Yasu only felt like a drama whore to me.
And the worst thing is that I'm supposed to see lots of love and feel bad for her or something.

She is just some scared futa bitch who was scared and therefore decided to bring down everyone with her.
She had the means to make her own destiny, she had freedom, money, people who cared about her.
It's not like she was raised while knowing nothing about the outside world, she even went to school, she could have gone out whenever she wanted.
It's bullshit, I'm not buying it.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:43:46 2010 No.5973738

Except we still have a whole episode and things being partly revealed doesn't mean that's the whole extent of things.
She says that if Battler had been one year earlier or later things would have changed. This doesn't really fit with anything we know.
Hell, the motive people are currently blaming her for comes from a three-sentences flashback.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:45:46 2010 No.5973743 So Leon/Lion/Lyon is male but Yasu is female? Right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:47:46 2010 No.5973748 >>5973743 >Lion >not confirmed male >Yasu >not confirmed female >they hammer in your fucking face that his/her gender is still a mystery inside the cat box >people still don't get it Right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:49:46 2010 No.5973752 >>5973743 Schrödinger's cat. You don't know until you open the box.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:49:46 2010 No.5973753 I no longer care about real world characters. They are all either shallow, retarded or crazy. Not to mention most of them are just greedy bastards. As it is now meta characters are 10 times more interesting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:52:46 2010 No.5973762 >>5973753 >Not to mention most of them are just greedy bastards 10 FUCKING TONS OF GOLD dude.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:52:46 2010 No.5973763
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I'm a little behind on everything, so I just finished EP6 yesterday. And I have to say, I was not prepared for how nice it would be to see the real Beatrice again. I used to hate her throughout episodes 2 - 4, but seeing her again at the end, I've never been so happy to see her trollface and hear her speak with such confidence about her closed rooms. Since I heard about Battler becoming a game master, I was really hoping he would surpass her easily, but now I can truly see and accept the greatness of Beatrice as the game master, and acknowledge that Battler never even came close.

Also, last night, having gone to bed not long after finishing, I dreamt about another end where Erika stayed alive and got broken down and humiliated until she submitted completely to Battler. That was really nice, I wish it was canon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:52:46 2010 No.5973767 >>5973753 The Meta characters were always the most interesting, if you ask me. Hell, they've been the ones driving this game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:53:46 2010 No.5973769 >>5973763 >implying everything that happened in EP6 wasn't Battler's plan to revive Beatoriche

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:55:46 2010 No.5973776

>>5973763
>Since I heard about Battler becoming a game master, I was really hoping he would surpass her easily, but now I can truly see and accept the greatness of Beatrice as the game master, and acknowledge that Battler never even came close.

That's assuming EP6's on its entirety wasn't Battler's plan to have Beatrice recall herself, and Bern and Erika fell for it like idiots.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:55:46 2010 No.5973777 >They are all either shallow, retarded or crazy. Not to mention most of them are just greedy bastards. Those witches are alot more crazy than those greedy bastards.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:56:46 2010 No.5973779

I still think if "he" had a penis, but fell off a cliff and had it destroyed/disfigured it's still a man to me. Sure, we don't know really at this point for sure, but in that case, it's still a man (but without a penis).

Regardless of all that, I really liked this episode. Although it was the saddest so far.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:56:46 2010 No.5973781 >>5973777 Yes, but they've got a background behind their behaviour.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:58:46 2010 No.5973788

>>5973762
They are greedy bastards for much less than that, they don't have problems setting the bomb up so the 99% of the gold is blown up.
Yasu has a credit card with 1% of the gold in it, that's what makes the fight begin.
The gold as it is needs to be exchanged into money, and only Krauss could do that. Krauss croaks thanks to ACCIDENTS, Eva goes fuck this shit, the card is enough let's blow up the island. Rosa says no fuck you, I want my whole share, you go to jail. They level guns, Kyrie profits and kills everyone (Eva lives, etc).

Point being, they were really, really desperate for money.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:58:46 2010 No.5973789 I find it weird that when Kinzo released the Epitaph in Leon's kakera, the Adults solved it easily. When in the original one, it was only thanks to Yasu's plan that they finally solved the epitaph.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 05:59:46 2010 No.5973791 >>5973781 True. With the witches, their excuses is that they got tortured for millenniums until they went crazy, while the only thing the real world characters got is that someone didn't love them enough.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:00:46 2010 No.5973792 >>5973762 Everybody could get a fair share and get super crazy rich. But instead they all went crazy and died.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:04:46 2010 No.5973805 >>5973777 Yes, but they are also awesome while being crazy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:04:46 2010 No.5973807 >>5973791 >fantasy characters have fantasy reasons >real characters have real reasons you don't say

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:06:46 2010 No.5973809 >>5973769 >>5973776 Why so delusional Battlerfags?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:10:46 2010 No.5973818 >>5973788 >The gold as it is needs to be exchanged into money, and only Krauss could do that What?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:11:46 2010 No.5973820 >>5973809 It is implied dude.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:13:46 2010 No.5973823

>>5973818
When Eva and Rosa remind Krauss he hid Kinzo's death from them during the quarrel, he retorts he's the only one whose shady contacts can deal with such a large amount of pure gold ingots, putting him in an advantageous position.
No one objects. After that, Eva and Hideyoshi oops ACCIDENTS.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:19:46 2010 No.5973835

Which could also be a clue to the world peace matter.
I'm no economics expert, but if somehow the gold was not blown up the bomb, suddenly injecting such a quantity of gold in the gold maket would make the exchange rates fall down pretty quickly, with disastrous consequences.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:20:46 2010 No.5973838 In EP1 we were shown that Krauss knew the existence of the gold since he actually has two of it. Did that ever get explained on how he got it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 06:32:46 2010 No.5973878 >>5973838 If I remember well, it has been explained. Kinzo gave 1 of his gold ingots to a business partner as a "proof" back in the days. I don't recall how Krauss managed to get it back.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:18:46 2010 No.5973993 >>5973807 You are seriously defending Yasu's reasons? Millions of kids all around the world have it much worse that him/her yet they don't murder their families.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:22:46 2010 No.5974003

>>5973835

Ushiromiyas would need to be absolute retards to simply cash all the gold. They could just deposit is somewhere, there are tons of banks that are very discreet about deposits.

Cashing few ingots to end their financial problems is an easy matter.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:23:46 2010 No.5974007

>>5973738
The reason Yasu planned to do it this year was simply that she didn't have time anymore since George and Shannon's relationship progressed too far.
Also George knew about Shannon's "problem" and accepted it, see episode 6.

That's why she decided to go with her golden land plan, if Battler had come one year earlier she could have still gotten control back and seduced him.

She had absolutely no other problems.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:32:46 2010 No.5974024

>>5974003
Yeah, I'm not saying they would do it, but that it some people would want to use it like that, they could. It's like saying "Ushiromiyas have an atomic bomb. Of course they aren't retards enough to use it, but if who-knows-who gets their hands on that, shit could happen."
It's a possibility, at least. The world peace matter came out of nowhere, and this theory could fit, considering also the gold would be strickly speaking be italian and so possible object of controversy.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:38:46 2010 No.5974052

>>5973993
Look, I'm not say she's justified in doing what she plans to do. Just that it's a believable enough reason. You're right, people can have it much harder than Yasu. So what?
I think finding out you're the product of incest, having something wrong with your body, and being delusional can make someone plan murders. Does this mean she's -justified-? No. But it's -plausible-. I wasn't really asking for anything more.

This is, of course, providing what we're shown until now is all there is to it. Battler seems to think differently.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:41:46 2010 No.5974061

>>5974052
Battler never said anything about showing more about Beatrice.
Considering her heart was fully exposed, I don't see what we could see more.

You seem to think something happened during the 3 years, what could have happened?
She had absolutely no enemies, nobody to make her life hell.
The only thing that happened was that Shannon started to rebel, that's all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:45:46 2010 No.5974066 >>5973835 How much Gold is there, if I remember correctly it was stated to be 10 tons and if I counted correctly it should be about 430 000 000 USD.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:50:46 2010 No.5974069

>>5974061
Who knows? We still don't know anything definite enough besides those three fucking sentences.
All we got is theories, but apparently now people are thinking theories are suddenly the truth just because we're near the end.

As I said, her motives being believable enough doesn't make her justified. I don't think we're supposed to be all like "poor girl, she was right". If anything, the opposite: she wasn't bullied that much. She actually started bullying the other servants herself.
But Battler seems to believe there aren't bad guys in the story. Isn't it pretty natural to believe there's still something we're supposed to see, instead of drawing definite conclusion from incomplete material?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:53:46 2010 No.5974076

>>5974069
Battler is Jesus.
Sorry but I can't see anything that could give her a reason full of love to kill people that could have happened during these 3 years other than the whole Shannon-George thing and FUCK YEAH GOLDEN LAND IS SUCH A FUN PLACE.

Heck, if you have a theory, say it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:55:46 2010 No.5974077 >>5974069 >I don't think we're supposed to be all like "poor girl, she was right" I saw people here who did exactly that.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 07:56:46 2010 No.5974078

>>5974069
>But Battler seems to believe there aren't bad guys in the story. Isn't it pretty natural to believe there's still something we're supposed to see, instead of drawing definite conclusion from incomplete material?

I think you can already draw conclusions on this.
Remember the whole deal with Rosa in EP4? Ange said she was a terrible mother and that Maria was a miserable kid. However, Maria herself said that's not how it is. Even when Rosa herself has said she's a terrible mother. We know Maria doesn't think of her as one. Throughout Rosa's characterisation, we've seen Rosa has her own issues, she's not the best mother around, but she does love Maria.

It's the same with Kasumi and the black witch deal.

My guess is we'll get something along these lines as the compliment to EP7's answer in EP8.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:02:46 2010 No.5974081

>>5974076
I still don't. If that discredits myself in your eyes, fine, just keep thinking Yasu's motives are retarded and all that.
I still think they are realistic enough, but not morally justifiable, and that is why there's still something for Battler to show us.
>>5974077
It means they didn't got the flashback's point, then. Yasu was never bullied that much, if at all. Servants just kept treating her coldly due to her preferential treatment and airheaded tendencies. She was the one who bullied servants afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:03:46 2010 No.5974083 I'm still a tad confused about all this and I know this may not've been explained in EP7, but is it possible that Virgilia is just young Kumasawa? And that that scene where she helps young Beatrice fix a vase is Kumasawa + Beatrice II?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:07:46 2010 No.5974088

>>5974083
It's heavily implied it's that way. All meta characters are created by Maria and Yasu sketching on her notebook.
Kumasawa was a sort of mother figure for Yasu and the one who talked to her about Beatrice, magic tricks, and all, so it's pretty obvious she'd become the "previous mentor witch" imaginary friend.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:08:46 2010 No.5974089

My biggest problem with Yasu killing just because of a promise is the scene in EP5 when Battler reached the truth. Once he found out what's going on, he started crying and beginning for Beatrice's forgiveness.

Now, unless he believes Yasu was justified in killing his family because he broke a promise, then I don't see why he'd have such a strong reaction.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:08:46 2010 No.5974090 >>5974083 More than likely. Yasu was raised in an orphanage, Beatrice II was raised by Kumasawa

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:09:46 2010 No.5974092 >>5974083 >Kumasawa + Beatrice III ftfy

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:12:46 2010 No.5974096 >>5974089 Yasu's killing because Battler forgot his promise, if he had come, nothing would have happened and Yasu wouldn't have gone crazy/get killed by someone later on. Though shannnon was a bit delusional with the whole resignation letter.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:13:46 2010 No.5974098

>>5974090
If you remember correctly, in Beatrice's dream during EP3, that girl knew about Beatrice and magic. However, Beatrice II - i.e. the one Rosa met - assuming that scene was reliable, didn't know anything about Beatrice (other than the fact Kinzo told her that's her name) and she didn't know anything about magic.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:14:46 2010 No.5974099

>>5974096
>Yasu's killing because Battler forgot his promise, if he had come, nothing would have happened and Yasu wouldn't have gone crazy/get killed by someone later on.

I know, this is why I said:

>unless he believes Yasu was justified in killing his family because he broke a promise, then I don't see why he'd have such a strong reaction.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:14:46 2010 No.5974100 >>5974098 Yasu never knew that she had a grandfather and she never went to Kudawarian as a child. It was most like Beatrice II's childhood as imagined by Yasu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:16:46 2010 No.5974101 >Yasu's killing because Battler forgot his promise, how does that fit with her saying Battler coming a year yearly or late would have been fine though? If that's all, she could have killed people the year before just as well.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:17:46 2010 No.5974102

>>5974099
Nothing can justify killing 15 people, Battler is just too nice.

People who were on the island at all time and who could have done something to Yasu during these 3 years.
-Kumasawa, Nanjo, Genji. Yasu's allies, would do anything for her
-Krauss and Natsuhi. Stupid but harmless.
-Jessica. Just a normal girl, been repeated countless time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:18:46 2010 No.5974104 >>5974101 A year before: Shannon and George's relationship didn't progress that much, Yasu still has her chance with Battler. A year later: Shannon completely took over and became George's wife.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:20:46 2010 No.5974106 >>5974104 And to add to this. It's strongly implied that Shannon began to rebel against Yasu's authority and started to become more and more important. With time she probably would have been the strongest personality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:21:46 2010 No.5974108 Can someone upload nscript.dat from EP7? Thanks.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:22:46 2010 No.5974112

>>5974104
That makes sense. Yasu knowing she would disappear would make her pretty desperate, enough to consider blowing everything up if she doesn't get what she wants? It pretty petty, but I can see it working.

So it's really basically Fight Club with Shannon, all happens according to her plans but even she herself doesn't know she's the mastermind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:27:46 2010 No.5974117 >>5974106 But that makes no sense. It was Yasu the one who told Shannon to forget about Battler, to move on and be happy.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:30:46 2010 No.5974120

>>5974117
To move on because she didn't think he would come back.
But when he did, Yasu still had her feelings for him, feelings that probably got even bigger with time.

Yasu probably decided to come back as the main personality for him but Shannon got too strong due to her relationship with George.
That's why her powers were so "weak" when she appeared to Shannon in episode 2, and she tried to find a breach to act.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:34:46 2010 No.5974124

>>5974108
http://www.mediafire.com/?a3soxdhrvtm17k9
here you go
>>5974117
It does, actually. If we take a love relationship to signify "being complete", Yasu took the unrequited love from Shannon, Shannon goes on and falls in love so she grows in importance, Battler returns so Yasu grows in importance as well, Kanon grows as well with Jessica.

Yasu isn't really dominant once she gives the body over to Shannon when she was a child, she resurfaces only when she solves the portrait.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:35:46 2010 No.5974127 >>5974120 But then why plan the whole thing? Why not tell him directly? Shannon flat-out told him about the whole white horse deal during EP3. There was no need to kill anyone to tell Battler her feelings.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:36:46 2010 No.5974129 File: 681 KB, 1134x888, 1281973629114.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5974124 Thank you.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:37:46 2010 No.5974131

>>5974127
She didn't want to tell him about her feelings.
She wanted to be with him and she thought the only way to be was in the golden land.
And she probably wanted Shannon and Kanon to be happy as well, to have them become full people and have their love fulfilled in the golden land.
Yasu created them but she also cares about them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:37:46 2010 No.5974132 >>5974129 Ange ;_;

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:40:46 2010 No.5974135

>>5974127
>Why not tell him directly?
Wouldn't that put Yasu in a preferential position? It's like saying "You wronged me, so now you have to love me because my love has precedence over Shannon's and Kanon's".
And the whole thing was about the killings being a roulette that gives everyone fair chances..

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:40:46 2010 No.5974136 File: 72 KB, 380x612, 1281776309139.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Remember me?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:43:46 2010 No.5974141

>>5974131
>She didn't want to tell him about her feelings.
>She wanted to be with him and she thought the only way to be was in the golden land.

Come on... dude! You're clearly grasping at straws here.

So, she designs the whole game because she wanted Battler to remember the whole thing. But she doesn't want to tell her his feelings.

Basically, she was planning mass suicide, because she believed that, after death, they'd be in the Golden Land, where all her personalities, and their mothers... let us not forgets their pets too, can be happy?

You know, why don't we leave it at this? Okay?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:46:46 2010 No.5974146

>>5974141
I'm not grasping at straws.
The whole meta-game was about Beatrice wanting Battler to find about the truth, not the same thing.

And I'm just repeating what was said in the game itself?
Please tell me where you can see another reason to kill 15 people.
Golden land is the only one, one that has been there since the first episode.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:46:46 2010 No.5974147

>>5974135
But dude, telling Battler its fair!
Shannon did that with George. Kanon was too deep into his furniture complex to tell Jessica his feelings. Although, he did in EP6, if that counts as anything.

Why would Yasu telling Battler her feelings would be unfair?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:46:46 2010 No.5974148 >>5974136 No but my Dick does. OH DESIRE

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:47:46 2010 No.5974152 >>5974147 Because Yasu is nothing more than a repressed personality who think she is a witch. Note the term "repressed", there is a reason why she appears to have lost most of her powers in the flashback of episode 2.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:50:46 2010 No.5974155

>>5974147
She thought he didn't care enough, maybe? The premise is that he forgot all about her.
I think it was like "If he remembers, great, I'll duke it out with Shannon and Kanon, if he doesn't, it means he doesn't care about me and there's no point in me going on anymore".
It's overblown, I know, but considering everything that's been said about love...

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:50:46 2010 No.5974156

>>5974146
>The whole meta-game was about Beatrice wanting Battler to find about the truth, not the same thing.

Yes, and that holds really well if you think there's something that prevents her from doing so directly. However, it happens there's nothing that prevents Yasu from doing so. At least, not that we know.

>And I'm just repeating what was said in the game itself?
>Please tell me where you can see another reason to kill 15 people.
>Golden land is the only one, one that has been there since the first episode.

She could have got her Golden Land end in EP3, yet she clearly didn't want that. In fact, it's clear as day, ad this was shown in EP6, she wants this tale to end.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:51:46 2010 No.5974158

>>5974152
>Because Yasu is nothing more than a repressed personality who think she is a witch.
>Note the term "repressed", there is a reason why she appears to have lost most of her powers in the flashback of episode 2.

Again, this doesn't hold with what we saw at EP7. Yasu is clearly active as well.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:52:46 2010 No.5974161

>>5974156
META BEATRICE or rather the illusion that cover the tale want the mystery to be solved.
Meta Beatrice is nothing more than a scapegoat, she isn't Yasu.

You should differentiate the meta-world and the real world.
In the real world people really died and there was no golden land at all, they just died.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:53:46 2010 No.5974162 >>5974158 Yasu is only active a few times during these 6 years. And we see that Shannon start to take more and more importance.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 08:58:46 2010 No.5974168

>>5974161
I know the difference. But Meta Beatrice still represents Yasu. Meta Beatrice didn't want any Golden Land, she simply wanted Battler to find the truth and end the tale. So, I assume Yasu wants the same thing.

>>5974162
>Yasu is only active a few times during these 6 years.
>And we see that Shannon start to take more and more importance.

And those days were the days Battler was around.
Also, it wasn't as if Shannon was going to tell her "Nuh-uh bitch, you wont!" when we saw her encouraging Kanon with his love for Jessica.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:03:46 2010 No.5974173

>>5974168
>she simply wanted Battler to find the truth and end the tale. So, I assume Yasu wants the same thing.
You shouldn't.

Meta-Beatrice knows that there is no golden land, she just wants to be killed.
If you think she symbolizes Yasu, you could she simply symbolize Yasu's guilt over what already happened.

And even then, Yasu considered that Battler would only accept her in the golden land.
Yasu doesn't only have the problem of having DID, she also has her problem with her genitals.

It's strongly hinted that George knew about it and accepted it, which is why Shannon was winning in the race.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:09:46 2010 No.5974184

>And those days were the days Battler was around.
Not really. She obviously woke up when she solved the epitaph, and the small island disappearing/credit card show she did go around a bit in those years making preparations.
>Also, it wasn't as if Shannon was going to tell her "Nuh-uh bitch, you wont!" when we saw her encouraging Kanon with his love for Jessica.
Again, there's the possibility Shannon doesn't realize Kanon is not real and that his love would kill her own. Yasu knows because she created him, Shannon doesn't.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:20:46 2010 No.5974202
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>>5974173
>Meta-Beatrice knows that there is no golden land, she just wants to be killed.
>If you think she symbolizes Yasu, you could she simply symbolize Yasu's guilt over what already happened.

She simply doesn't want to be killed. Battler said that much in EP6. This is also hinted in EP3 after Beato destroyed the Golden Land, but then Battler brought it back, and when Beatrice saw her form, she was surprised.

Meta-Beatrice wants the game to end, but she also wants a happy ending for herself.

>It's strongly hinted that George knew about it and accepted it, which is why Shannon was winning in the race.

I doubt it. If this person is indeed a man they cannot have kids. If this person is a woman, but sterile, they cannot have kids either. Yet, George has been speaking about how many kids he wants to have with Shannon.

Not to mention I still find George a bit suspicious on some aspects.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:21:46 2010 No.5974207

"Yasu" is a pun from an old game for the NES called The Portopia Serial murder case. ....the culprit in this game was also a person named "Yasu"

A japanese person who has played the game would recognize the phrase 犯人はヤス (the culprit is Yasu) having played it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:23:46 2010 No.5974210 >>5974207 we know, it's just the easiest way to refer to not-alternate Leon and his original personality

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:23:46 2010 No.5974211

>>5974184
>Not really. She obviously woke up when she solved the epitaph, and the small island disappearing/credit card show she did go around a bit in those years making preparations.

Then that simply means she's been around ever since.
EP7's Tea Party made it clear Yasu was there.

>Again, there's the possibility Shannon doesn't realize Kanon is not real and that his love would kill her own. Yasu knows because she created him, Shannon doesn't.

If we can trust EP6, then she should know.
If she doesn't, then this simply means she's unaware of the multiple personalities deal, and thus she should pose no hindrance if Yasu wants to meet Battler.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:26:46 2010 No.5974215

Fucked up genital = furniture
Golden land = not a furniture anymore.
Not complicated.

You guys think there is another reason why Yasu wanted to kill all these people while following an epitaph?
Nothing has been hinted at all, no reason other than golden land that could explain her motive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:28:46 2010 No.5974217 >acting like Shkanontrice is confirmed I see you all forgot who the gamemaster was this epiosde. Ryu07 would be disappoint.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:28:46 2010 No.5974220

>>5974211
>If we can trust EP6, then she should know.
EP6 was mostly fantasy/illusions though. It could be a foreshadowing of what would happen.
>If she doesn't, then this simply means she's unaware of the multiple personalities deal, and thus she should pose no hindrance if Yasu wants to meet Battler.
The point is, I'm thinking she doesn't. She doesn't think Battler remembers/still loves her. She makes a really dangerous (both to her and others) game to see if Battler still remembers. If she wins the bet, he remembers and the love duel starts. If he doesn't, she becomes suicidal and collects all Kinzo's interests in the form of bombing, since she's still the head of the house and Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:29:46 2010 No.5974221 >>5974217 Who was the GameMaster this episode Anon? I mean, you've played EP7, so you must know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:29:46 2010 No.5974223 >>5974217 except this episode didn't have a gamemaster, everyone in game says it. Bernkastel is the GM for the next game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:29:46 2010 No.5974224 >>5974217 There was no Game Master

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:30:46 2010 No.5974226 >>5974220 Well dude, all I can say is I respect your theory, but I don't buy it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:34:46 2010 No.5974228 >>5974226 That's fine, we are all theorizing here after all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:37:46 2010 No.5974234 >>5974217 I laughed when R07 made fun of people just like you through Ange. Looks like he understands his readers better than you give him credit for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:42:46 2010 No.5974244 File: 654 KB, 1280x960, 7065611.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Guess what time is it next episode?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:44:46 2010 No.5974246 If Yasu kills because she believes in the Golden Land, I will be disappointed. Stupidity really doesn't justify murder.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:45:46 2010 No.5974249 >>5974246 The problem is that there is no alternatives to this. She didn't have a hard life. She wasn't in danger, she didn't even hate these people. She had absolutely no reason to kill them except for some magic shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:47:46 2010 No.5974250 >>5974244 And those are? Young Rudolph and Krauss?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:48:46 2010 No.5974251 >>5974250 Yep!

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:48:46 2010 No.5974252

>>5974246
Yasu basically takes the whole Beatrice legend and adapts it to herself. It was said "a space is born only when you're two, alone it can't be born". She first called this space where her imaginary friends had tea "Utopia", but after reading the epitaph that changed to "Golden Land", believing it was the same thing.
So it's really just Golden Land = Love = Wish Granted = Being human = Being complete, probably

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:53:46 2010 No.5974266 Something I just thought of: Beato III said she has been "violated by a man" before or something like that, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 09:56:46 2010 No.5974268 >>5974266 Yasu has never been raped. The Beatrice she became who learned of the past and Beatrice II's life basically took these memories for herself. It was Kinzo who raped Beatrice II.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:00:46 2010 No.5974275 I still wonder how it is that Yasu knows about Battler's birth, when even he had no idea about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:07:46 2010 No.5974293 Please don't make fun of me Why did Shannon refuse to bring Kanon when confronted by Will? Who was the culprit that Will brought in the chapel? Will we get a real "antifantasy" answer to the mysteries of the previous games?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:09:46 2010 No.5974296

>>5974275
Does she? Yasu and Meta-Beatrice are not exactly the same thing.
Meta-characters exist in a layer above, so they aren't restricted like the actual characters.
Which makes me think, did they say Battler is incompetent because he didn't realize that just by being a meta-character he could instantly know everything just like that?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:09:46 2010 No.5974298

>>5974293
>Why did Shannon refuse to bring Kanon when confronted by Will?

Because Shkanon.

>Who was the culprit that Will brought in the chapel?

Beatrice/Claire.

>Will we get a real "antifantasy" answer to the mysteries of the previous games?

Will solved everything at the end of the main game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:10:46 2010 No.5974301 >>5974293 -Shkanon -Dunno, surely Shkanon, but she's only who planned all the stuff -Surely

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:13:46 2010 No.5974306

>>5974293
>Why did Shannon refuse to bring Kanon when confronted by Will?

She glitched... literally.

>Who was the culprit that Will brought in the chapel?

Yasu (i.e. Lyon, Beatrice, Shannon, Kanon, Gaap, and Claire)

>Will we get a real "antifantasy" answer to the mysteries of the previous games?

We already have them.

>>5974296
>Does she? Yasu and Meta-Beatrice are not exactly the same thing.

The point of the Meta-Characters is that they're based off real people. Meta-Beatrice was based off Yasu. If Meta-Beatrice knows Battler's birth, then Yasu ought to have learnt that much as well, at some point.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:14:46 2010 No.5974308

>>5974293
-Will can't be decieved, it means Shannon and Kannon can't appear together if it's not an illusion
-Yasu/Beatrice/Claire/not-homolust Leon/the original personality of the Shkanontrice clusterfuck/, call her what you wish
-Already there, though ultimately unimportant. People will probably rage about this a lot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:14:46 2010 No.5974310 >>5974306 >She glitched... literally. I forgot to say Shannon said she could only comply to that order if it came from one particular person.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:15:46 2010 No.5974312 Now that we know that everything this far is fiction, what about Bernkastel? Does that make her a different person from Frederica Bernkastel?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:16:46 2010 No.5974316 >>5974298 >>5974306 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:24:46 2010 No.5974334 >>5974312 Not confirmed yet. It's not even confirmed if the meta world is also fiction.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:26:46 2010 No.5974338 >>5974312 She signed a poem as Frederica Bernkastel in one of the TIPS, but who knows.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:26:46 2010 No.5974340 >>5974334 Then how do you explain Erika's behavior?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:27:46 2010 No.5974344 >>5974340 Voyagers may actually exist, maybe also Battler. Rest may really be just materialized fiction.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:28:46 2010 No.5974346 I'm beginning to think the division between Episodes/Tea Parties and ????? is more significant than we think.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:28:46 2010 No.5974347 >>5974334 Thanks. >>5974338 Are you talking about the one on The Witches' Tanabata? Because If I recall correctly, the info we were given was just that "A poem by Frederica Bernkastel is also presented".

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 10:31:46 2010 No.5974351 >>5974347 http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/TIPS/Bernkastel%27s_Letter Bottom of the TIP.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:00:46 2010 No.5974416 Any sign of any of these new Umineko albums? Either they aren't out yet, or the Comiket thread is just ignoring them entirely... I was really looking forward to them =/

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:05:46 2010 No.5974438

I've started thinking about this...

Someone mentioned that the Great Truth about the Rokkenjima murders...or at least the games is that NONE OF THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING.

Okay...fine...it might be some whacked out dream Battler's having... But still. There's a reason behind the killings, and (as far as the first four games go) the fact that Battler's the last one to die.

It's apparent that Beatrice is trying to send a message to Battler. A warning perhaps. Perhaps it's not that the murders and the bomb isn't happening...but that it hasn't happened yet.

I'm thinking the last Episode will give Battler the chance to prevent the murders and the boming on Rokkenjima.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:10:46 2010 No.5974448 File: 25 KB, 638x479, otters.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5974438

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:12:46 2010 No.5974456

>>5974438
>I'm thinking the last Episode will give Battler the chance to prevent the murders and the boming on Rokkenjima.
Rather doubtful after the EP7 tea party.
Damn I would like to see Kyrie going nuclear after she finally understands that Battler is her son.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:13:46 2010 No.5974462

>>5974438
They say the possibilities exist because those two days are sealed into the catbox, but everything else isn-t. Eva surviving and explosion are set in stone.
There's space to maneuver around that, but thinking people won't be killed at this point is kinda being in denial.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:18:46 2010 No.5974482 >>5974456 >Damn I would like to see Kyrie going nuclear after she finally understands that Battler is her son. I wonder if Kyrie would have been that insane if Rudolf actually told her the truth beforehand... Dammit rudolf its all your fault!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:19:46 2010 No.5974488 >>5974482 imagine she was told this AFTER killing Battler. I'd pay to see that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:22:46 2010 No.5974495 >>5974488 Rudolf would probably be her next victim after going into a giant frenzy

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:29:46 2010 No.5974513 >>5974495 I don't know, I think her barin would colg up, suffer an embolism and collapse in place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:29:46 2010 No.5974516 This episode confirmed that Rudolf is a giant faggot. It's clear that Kyrie wears the pants in their relationship.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:31:46 2010 No.5974523 >>5974482 >I wonder if Kyrie would have been that insane if Rudolf actually told her the truth beforehand... Probably not. I hope EP8 will give Kyrie a good motive, rather than "fuck this shit, we are doomed anyway so let's kill everyone"

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:32:46 2010 No.5974528 >>5974516 wasn't that clear from the very beginning? It's like Hideyoshi and Eva and to a lesser extent Natsuhi and Krauss (he wouln't dare to raise his voice against her)

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:35:46 2010 No.5974538 >>5974528 I think, amongst all the relationships we've seen, George is the only man who wears the pants in his.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:36:46 2010 No.5974541

>>5974482
Doesn't matter, she's not insane, she's just a different person than people previously thought.
She doesn't actually hate Ange. She just loves Rudolph too much.
She thinks Ange as the bond linking her to Rudolph after the whole Asumu fiasco. As long as Rudolph is there, she's a great mother and all. When Rudolph was killed, Ange became just a bond without reason to exist, that's why she says those things.
So I can't see Rudolph telling her Battler is her son, but still dying before her, having a different effect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:39:46 2010 No.5974547 >>5974541 >She just loves Rudolph too much. I'd say obsessed would be a more fitting word. Also, am I the only one who thinks EP7 made it seem as if Rudolph cared for Asumu more than what Kyrie seems to believe?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:42:46 2010 No.5974557

>>5974547
Yeah, Kyrie just seems to believe Rudolph is ajust womanizer and she has to defeat rivals to keep him with her, while Rudolph seems to have deeper reasons behind his behaviour.
I mean he said the hell ticket thing. It means he knows he fucked up, but still had to be done.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:45:46 2010 No.5974564 >>5974513 Kind of like how Ange in the Tea party after Bern said that red text except she wont turn into a burger

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:46:46 2010 No.5974569 >>5974557 >he said the hell ticket thing what are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:47:46 2010 No.5974574 >>5974538 It helps that George's love interest is super submissive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:49:46 2010 No.5974580 Sup guys? How's umineko treating you when you stopped thinking? That's why we'll never solve anything here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:49:46 2010 No.5974583 >>5974580 I had already solved Umineko by EP1.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:53:46 2010 No.5974585

>>5974569
When Battler left the family, Rudolph commented on the whole thing saying he got a ticket for hell reserved for him already. It sounded like he fully knew what he did, but still did it for some reason.

Sup, >>5974580
How's being in denial because you don't like the solution presented? None stopped thinking here, if 30 threads are not enough I don't know what is.
I don't see people disproving the whole Yasu theory by giving alternate solution, its always just "LOL BERN TORLLING XD" or "STOPPED THINKING XD"

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:54:46 2010 No.5974591 >>5974523 I want a backstory. It would suck otherwise to have Kyrie who had one of the least development in the adults to not have one after the whole Tea Party fiasco.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 11:56:46 2010 No.5974600 File: 23 KB, 512x288, Sherlock-bbc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5974583 I solved Umineko based on the initial press release.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:03:46 2010 No.5974624

>>5974569
Basically, Natsuhi was calling him on his bullshit (i.e. playing around). And Rudolph said he knew what he had done, but he had to marry and add Kyrie to the family register for Ange's sake.

He knew that what he did to Asumu and Battler was a terrible thing, and that's why believes he's earned himself a ticket to hell.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:05:46 2010 No.5974632 >>5974600 I solved Umineko while I was a spermatozoon. Beat that.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:05:46 2010 No.5974633

>>5974585
>None stopped thinking here, if 30 threads are not enough I don't know what is.
I don't see people disproving the whole Yasu theory by giving alternate solution, its always just "LOL BERN TORLLING XD" or "STOPPED THINKING XD"

How stupid of you. If you look at the previous threads, nobody is in denial. All the previous threads were about people trying to disprove other theories presented because they believe that what Bern showed was the ONLY ANSWER. Nobody stopped thinking? Whatever.

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Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:10:46 2010 No.5974657

>>5974633
Actually, most of us know that Bern didn't give us the whole truth. However, that doesn't mean that EP7's Tea Party is a lie. Whether you like it or not, there's Red Text for that.

Of course, given proper background, that same scene can be seen on a completely different light, and people have been trying to think what that might be.

As for the whole Yasu deal, that's still quite complicated. But hey, if you want to deny Shkanontrice (now known as LyoYaShakanoGapClaiTrice), then please be my guest. I, at the very least, won't bite you. Of course, if I find flaws in your reasoning, I'll point them out, just as I've done with Shkanontrice in the past.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:17:46 2010 No.5974673

>>5974657
I am not denying what Bern showed in the Tea Party. I know that a PART of it is the truth. I had doubts since we all know how Trollkastel works. Battler appearing in ???? confirmed it for me.

Also, I always thought that Shkanon didn't make sense. But somehow, Yasu and Leon's Introduction shed a little light but still, I won't be convinced till I know how that monster works.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:18:46 2010 No.5974677 Hey, does anyone have a link to that alignment chart?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:20:46 2010 No.5974683

>>5974633
Yeah, I mean, credibility of things before and after the incident have never being put into question, and we're shown a flashback where it's heavily implied this one persona became both Shannon and Beatrice.
People must be stupid and have stopped thinking, right?

When exactly are you expecting for shit to be explained, really? in the last 5 minutes of the last episode, with a single sentence suddenly making everything fall into place?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:21:46 2010 No.5974685 File: 200 KB, 800x801, 12674157.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread needs more Leon/Will.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:21:46 2010 No.5974686 >>5974673 >I won't be convinced till I know how that monster works. Can anyone post that manga shoop with that guy asking Shannon what kind of monster is she? I'd also like the source for that manga, if possible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:22:46 2010 No.5974690 File: 513 KB, 1200x996, 1253826626363_ib4f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5974677 This one?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:22:46 2010 No.5974692 So, how long before we get a Yaranaika for Leon and Will (with Leon as Abe-san, naturally).

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:24:46 2010 No.5974699 >>5974690 Thank you good sir or madam

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:25:46 2010 No.5974705 Bern didn't fucking show anything, get your story right.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:29:46 2010 No.5974725

>When exactly are you expecting for shit to be explained, really? in the last 5 minutes of the last episode, with a single sentence suddenly making everything fall into place?

A lot of things are explained already. EP8 makes things clearer. R07 said this episode won't give out the REAL ANSWER to be fair for the people who tried to solve the mystery.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:32:46 2010 No.5974731 Remenber when a Red Truth was denied so bad that caused a person's existence to fade away ? The Master may also meet the same fate as the servant.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:34:46 2010 No.5974745 >>5974686 I don't have the scan, but i know is from the Elfen Lied manga

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:36:46 2010 No.5974750

What's funny is, people accepting Yasu were mostly people that didn't like Shkannontricefags before but kept their minds open, while
-Shkannontricefags just annoingly care about "we were right all along" without noticing all the basic differences
-anti-Shkannontricefags are just in denial with everything involving multiple personae.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:38:46 2010 No.5974760 >>5974725 Uhh... no. What he said was that, in Umineko, he'd never give a straight answer like he did in Higurashi Kai. He said he'd give hints blatant enough so that people could tell whether their theories were right or not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:39:46 2010 No.5974763 File: 88 KB, 800x800, 8254b58d53e5e75177ce751.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Don't worry about me guys, I'm no culprit~

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:39:46 2010 No.5974765 >>5974750 Actually, I still hate Shaknontrice. I just happened to take a liking for Yasu/Lyon. What can I do?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:41:46 2010 No.5974771 >>5974760 Oh, he also said EP6 and EP7 would contain basically all the answers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:42:46 2010 No.5974776 slowpoke here if yasu = shannon = kanon, shouldn't we say that there are only 16 persons in rokkenjima? or persons don't mean bodies?

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:50:46 2010 No.5974818

>>5974776
Well you could take it as "persons don't mean bodies", or you could take it as Erika existing on the gameboards of Episodes 5 and 6 and Battler+Beatrice were simply confirming a suspicion of hers that she prompted by declaring herself as the 18th visitor after her defeat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 12:59:46 2010 No.5974856 http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=12680445&type=scroll Someone needs to translate this. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:02:46 2010 No.5974866 >>5974776 did they ever confirm the exact number without resort to the "there are no more than..." trick?

None !Irru.HYnts Thu Aug 19 13:03:46 2010 No.5974868
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I don't know if people from my stream are reading these threads, but let me post it anyways.

It seems many people from my ISP can't use livestream anymore. Of the few people that posted the problem on the livestream forum, three of them were from the Netherlands, and had the same ISP as me.

So, I don't think there will be a stream tonight either, but keep checking it, just in case.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:04:46 2010 No.5974871 >>5974868 Oh damn. You could try an alternate service like justin tv or something I guess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:04:46 2010 No.5974872 >>5974760 Oh yeah. It was that. Sorry about that. I need to sleep.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:04:46 2010 No.5974874 >>5974866 At the end of EP6 Erika says she's the 18th person in Rokkenjima.Then Battler and Beato corrects her saying she's the 17th.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:05:46 2010 No.5974877 >>5974866 In EP6, Battler and Beato said there were 17 people in the island. No more, no less.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:05:46 2010 No.5974878 What can we expect for Episode 8, since Lambda is the GM of that game?

>>	None !Irru.HYnts Thu Aug 19 13:06:46 2010 No.5974881 >>5974871 Yeah, I tried that, but it seems you need a physical webcam for that. And I don't have one. I tried using a virtual webcam, but it's just Video, and no sound. Any tips?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:06:46 2010 No.5974882 >>5974874 That's wrong. Erika said she's the 18th person. Then Battler and Beato said, even if they welcome (or not), the number of people in the island is 17.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:10:46 2010 No.5974900

>>5974881
You need to ensure that your recording input is the stereo loopback channel. Assuming you're using onboard audio on Windows 7 or Vista, you need to right click the sound icon near the clock, go to Recording Devices, right click "Stereo Mix", make sure it's enabled, and then set it as the default device. Then right click it again, go to Properties, and make sure the levels are all good. Finally, in the justin streaming function on the web site, right click it, go to settings/properties, go to the microphone tab, and ensure that Stereo Mix is selected.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:11:46 2010 No.5974903 >>5974900 Yeah, just found that out. Testing as we speak

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:15:46 2010 No.5974914 >>5974882 Yes. It's the only way to resolve the conflicting reds. If Shkannontrice is true though; who's the 17th person?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:18:46 2010 No.5974926 >>5974914 Erika. Either that or Kanon and Shannon count as separate people.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:20:46 2010 No.5974931

>>5974856

I can't remember how Witch Hunt translated Dlanor's speech style. She just says "desu" in katakana.

Bern: I see. That's enough.
Bern: I'll forgive you since seeing you in tatters made me laugh.

Leon: Will!
Leon: Thank you!
Will: Easy as cake.

Leon: Wa!
Will: Dlanor.
Will: Bring Leon
Will: back to his original world.

Leon: No way! Didn't you say I was your partner?
Will: Shut up! Just go back and live in happiness.
Dlanor: You're always like THAT
Dlanor: You're very DISHONEST
Will: Sorry. Just go.

Will: Take care.
Dlanor: How NOISY

Will: Be sure to be happy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:22:46 2010 No.5974940 >>5974926 My theory was that there's an actual Kanon and a delusion-Kanon Shannon sees. I honestly don't know how it fits with the closed rooms, if at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:27:46 2010 No.5974953 >>5974940 I like that idea. Especially if Yasu bases her characters on real people like some anons said.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:28:46 2010 No.5974956 File: 8 KB, 346x161, 1281957628057.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5974931

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:29:46 2010 No.5974963 >>5974953 In regards to that, as it seems that Shannon was a real person who worked on Rokkenjima, I like to think that Yasu killed her, cut her entire scalp off, and wears it like a wig.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:31:46 2010 No.5974969 >>5974963 That's thrilling, but about Shannon being that mysterious servant who have fallen down the stairs 2 years ago then?

>>	None !Irru.HYnts Thu Aug 19 13:32:46 2010 No.5974976 Well, well. It seems to be working. Stream in an hour, at http://nl.justin.tv/xplosivv

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:33:46 2010 No.5974978

>>5974953
When Yasu/Beatrice "creates" Kanon, we don't actually see him appearing, she just describer his character. Then Shannon just wakes up, she hears a new servant arrived, and says "Oh yeah, what was his name again?"
I think she just painted the little brother delusion over the actual Kanon.
Isn't one of the things we're said about him the he doesn't really seem intimate with her in public?
It could be he actually isn't, and Shannon just imagines him when she's alone or around Genji/Kumasawa.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:35:46 2010 No.5974987 >>5974969 Ok. She fell down the stairs, died, and Yasu now wears her scalp and hair like a wig.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:35:46 2010 No.5974991 >>5974731 Oh that'd be a hilarious end for Bern. "This story will not have a happy ending." "This story will have a happy ending, just not for you!" And then Bern was Erika.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:36:46 2010 No.5974994 >>5974978 Seems plausible, but the whole point of Kanon in Shkanontrice was to solve EP6 last riddle. How would that one work?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:36:46 2010 No.5974996 >>5974991 Bern who?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:38:46 2010 No.5975008 >>5974940 That's actually a neat idea.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:40:46 2010 No.5975014 >>5974994 I can't rememeber the details, but can't it work if that was the delusion-Kanon that went into the drawer? It fits with the whole "ghost" thing he had going on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:40:46 2010 No.5975017 File: 282 KB, 640x1000, 8721694.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5974931 Like I'd let that happen~

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:41:46 2010 No.5975023 >>5974976 Great. Since justin tv requires a login to chat, it might be a good idea for people to go to http://www.livestream.com/seacatsbgm and undock the chat window, and then use that while viewing justin tv.

Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:42:46 2010 No.5975030

Shannon was never an actual person.
Yasu imagined a roomate, that was Shannon, but it was clearly shown it was an illusion.
Heck Yasu lived in a room with only one bed.
Kanon too is simply an illusion.
When Will go over all the closed rooms, he says things like "an illusion can't leave a corpse" when talking about the closed rooms with Kanon for fuck sake.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:42:46 2010 No.5975031 >>5975014 Does red work with ghosts now? Only Kanon entered, the actual person, his actual physical body. Now, he could've just died there. But how did he get in? If he's not Shannon, he's with "everyone else" in the sealed room.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:44:46 2010 No.5975036 >>5974991 ARG Beat me to it. I was gonna say if Bern really is EP8 GM. That's the only way to "kill" her, and not completely more like locking her ass back in hell. Good for WTC 5, cause you KNOW mother fucking Bern will break out given enough time

>>	Kurizu 204 - 0603 8707 7560 Thu Aug 19 13:46:46 2010 No.5975046 File: 321 KB, 726x543, nosamefagplease.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] anyone have this pic with out the samefag on it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:46:46 2010 No.5975047 Were autosaging guys. We need a new thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 13:50:46 2010 No.5975060 >>5975056 New thread.

>>	None !Irru.HYnts Thu Aug 19 13:57:46 2010 No.5975102 >>5975023 The thing is, I can't see the chat. So I have no way of contacting you guys ;_; Also, it seems my company is blocking everything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 14:04:46 2010 No.5975148 >>5975030 Yet they show up in Leon's world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 14:05:46 2010 No.5975154 >>5975031 Yasu, out of a final act of devotion to Battler, moved into the bathroom after Erika checked it. He then chopped himself into peices with the nippers and escaped through the drain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 19 14:18:46 2010 No.5975230 >>5975148 They don't show up in Leon's world. Leon is just introduced and the people on the island get their memories rewritten. Except Shannon and Kanon Play the game before talking.

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