Umineko EP 7 General part 27

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Last thread: >>5966955

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I think we need more Leonard art.

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I found it funny that Zepar and Furfur were shown in the cover, yet they barely played any significant role in the episode.

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Kinzo had another baby with Beatrice Jr and sent him to Asumu after knowing Natsuhi hates babies.

Homoincest ending confirmed

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Kinzo is a bad parent.

If he hadn't let Rudolf watch all those cowboy movies growing up, he wouldn't have become the person he turned out being today.

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So wait, what did the flashback in red mean?

Kinzo was the one who suggested to the Japanese army to take the Italian gold?
But...why would he do that?

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>>5969082
Huh? No, the Italian asked if they could cover it, and Yamamoto asked for 50%,

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>>5969088
Yeah, but in the same flashback where Kuwadorian Beato rebukes him and they show Yasu saying "why did you save with this body etc", the first sentence shown was something like
"Take the gold from the Italians? Ushiromiya, you call yourself an imperial soldierrrrr?"
That was out of nowhere.

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>>5969097
So... Kinzo planned getting rid of everyone except for him and (the original) Beatrice from the very beginning?

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>>5969115
I wouldn't put it past Grandfather.

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>>5969115
Actually, that would even explain why the granade the Japanese throw as a surprise attack turn out a dud.
But why do it, that was incredibly dangerous to both of them?

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>>5969115
Possibly. That's Kinzo we're talking about.

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This EP's BGM is simply wonderful. Just sayin'.

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>>5969188
BGM felt pretty average to me, not many good new music, and the vocal sucked

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>>5969188

Ridicule is probably the best mindfuck track out of all the umineko tracks. Seriously its the only BGM that creeped me out

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>>5969198
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnTwpWn-7IM

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>Only answer I see is Pony and FUCK YEAH THE GOLDEN LAND IS SO FUN AND I'LL FINALLY HAVE A PUSSY THERE TO BE LOVED BY BATTLER.

Yeah. The issue with Umineko is that Beato is held to different standards than everyone else.

Eva has a shit tier childhood, legitimately shit tier, is actually competent, and got a terrible bad end, Ange is a young child dealing with having said bad end person as her mother in addition to having her entire family be dead, Maria's life blows, and yet Battler makes a big deal over some futa-chick he made a harmless promise to.

I don't give a shit about Beato, man. Murdering everyone, or at least conspiring to, all because your futa dick can't decide between Battler and George or whatever is just lame. And s/he had it easymode from the get go, with loyal servants and shit.

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Here's what I was talking about.
>>5969207
Is that what played during Kyrie Musou?

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>>5969223

Yep. It was played when She shot Rosa and some scenes after that.

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>>5969223
>Kyrie
>Musou
Eva's shotgun would disagree.

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>>5969188
And Ressurrectedreplayer was used about a thousand times more effectively here than it was in EP5. ;_;

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>>5969241

That was the only thing that could stop Kyrie.

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>>5969222
You can't really compare people's suffering like that; it doesn't work that way. Someone can have everything in the world and still not be happy. Yasu was a lonely person who was lied to all her life and rejected to such an extent that she was thrown off a cliff as a child, and is convinced she can't love or be loved. It doesn't matter if her family wasn't massacred when was 6 or whatever, she still went through a lot of pain and you can't write it off because someone else suffered more.

I can't really expect /jp/ to understand something like this, though, seeing as you people have a tendency to see things in pure black and white.

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>>5969243
When was it used?

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>>5969259
>I can't really expect /jp/ to understand something like this, though, seeing as you people have a tendency to see things in pure black and white.

But...thats how people are in general. and besides to most people the more horrible shit that affects you physically the more "tragic" it is

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I have a question.

Everyone is dead exept Eva and possibly Battler.

Yasu got positively killed.

Hachijou(possibly Asumu) wrote 3-7.

Who is Ushiromiya Maria who wrote 1-2?

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What was the song playing during Wright&Lion's escape?

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>>5969269
[spoilers]Will and Leon's very last stand. You are now hearing the Far remix kick in as Will swears he will never let go of Leon.[/spoiler]

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>>5969269
Will and Leon's very last stand. You are now hearing the Far remix kick in as Will swears he will never let go of Leon.

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>>5969277
>But...thats how people are in general.

Ahaha, not really. At least not with fiction.

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>>5969278
Yasu/Clare-Beatrice, they say she wrote a number of bottle letters to conceal the harshness of the truth. "she closed the catbox that Eva locked up".

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>>5969283
lolfailedspoiler

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Overall EP7 was great, but the final solutions for the whole Umineko are very disappointing.

Seriously, even brain parasites would make more sense.

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>>5969259
White Knight her all you want, the fact of the matter is that she was perfectly willing and capable of killing tons of relatively innocent people.

Just because your life sucks, it doesn't entitle you to fuck up other people's. We dislike Bernkastel even knowing that she dealt with suffering, terrible suffering even.

The leap from "I can't love or be loved" to "Well, time to kill everyone because I've deluded myself into thinking it'll do something besides shit up everything" is by and large an evil one. Neglect is itself a sin.

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>>5969295
I didn't say her actions were justified, but you know what? Neither were many of Eva's, and /jp/ still worships her.

At any rate, I think we can all agree that Yasu just needs some fucking therapy. She makes jumps in logic that don't make sense because she's out of her goddamn mind.

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>>5967459
>>5967458
>>5967453
Note that according to Rudolf, Kyrie does not know 'the truth' he was supposed to tell her, and yet she is, so to say, somehow more fond of him in E6.

I'm talking about '...especially Kyrie!'

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>>5969302
>Neither were many of Eva's, and /jp/ still worships her.

Are you trying to start a flamewar? Evafags will start raging you know.

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>>5969259
Her suffering does not justify her murders, or willingness to murder. To think it does is just plain silly. I say this even after seeing how Ryukushi has had to make nearly every character in Umineko shallow as fuck to champion Yasu.

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>>5969314
I'm not seeing this. They're basically exactly the as they were before. Yes, Yasutrice is the center, but what's wrong with that? It doesn't erase anyone else's development.

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>>5969291

But she wrote them before the murders. She can see the future or something?

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>>5969295
>We dislike Bernkastel even knowing that she dealt with suffering, terrible suffering even.

I think the reason why people are not so symphatetic to Bern's harsh suffering is because that we haven't seen her suffer at all. We just hear it from lambda (Not implying that she's lying) therefore the impact is not so strong. Not only that we see her do horrible shit more than we see her suffer so its hard to feel sorry for her pain.

Just saying

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>>5969310
I'm not trying to start anything, but I expect it will happen. Evafags are as fucking delusional as Yasu.

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>>5969302
>>5969310
>Evafag
Never thought I'd live to see the day!

But, well, I suppose true Evafags realize that Eva was a prideful woman whose greed caused bad things to happen, but the fact that she MANNED THE FUCK UP when she locked the catbox is why we like her.

And let's not kid ourselves here.

Yasu set out to kill everyone as an option, while Eva accidentally shot someone. Morally speaking, Yasu doesn't come close to Eva's level.

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>>5969305
EP7 gave a huge hint actually, when Kyrie goes all It's Kyrie Time!, she says to Rudolph he should try to convince Battler, but she doesn't really care because he's not her son. Rudolph goes all serious and ask Kyrie one promise: if them three manage to escape the island, Kyrie will never say that he's not her child anymore.

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Meta World >>>> real world

If what we saw in EP7 is really the ultimate truth then all real world characters are shallow retards or pure bastards obsessed with money.

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>>5969336
This. Eva certainly isn't a messiah, and her selfish accidents contributed to the clusterfuck, but saying she's like Yasu is pushing it.

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>>5969339
I would like to say DAW, but, uh, they fucking killed two people.

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>>5969324
She planned them since the death of Kinzo. She wrote them as she imagined they would happen. And look, the first 2 episodes all go according to the epitaph. And when the time really came, the parents solved the epitaph in a blink and killed her on the spot.
It's so sad it's not even funny.
She had accepted that possibility as well in her roulette, though.

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>>5969295
Bernkastel is like a cat that someone put in a box and later forget about her - and since nobody cared and observed, she became a true quantum cat and witnessed herself starving to death or dying by poison countless times until she once opened the box by pressure technique learned through eternity inside of the box. All that so she could jump out and find herself into another thing which is not a box, nor closed at all, it is in fact her catbed where she used to take naps after a warm meal, but she escapes even that and rips that soft, ornamented blanket apart, because she is just so fucking scared of boxes now.

Meanwhile the sciencist notices her and thinks "Hey, that's interesting, how did she get out? I am pretty sure it locked. I just might check her in the future"

Which is happening right now. She is just a very scared cat with horrible luck. How can you blame her?

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>>5969353
Poor gal?

Lesson we learn from this? Don't try plans that involve killing everyone, idiot!

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>>5969339

This kinds of contradicts with what he said in EP6, 5 and 1. Maybe he's hinting Kyrie what truth he has to tell her.

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>>5969350

I daww'ed anyway...at least until I remebered what they did :(

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God, you guys really think that the ''whydunnit'' of ANYONE was explained in EP7?

EP7 was the harsh truth, without love and without caring about the characters and their motives, its just plain cold blooded and without any insight of the motive and the HEART.

Bern never really cared about the whydunnit, she just wanted to uncover the howdunnit (bomb, guns, etc) and the whodunnit (Yasu/Rudolph/Kyrie), but her ''answer'' is obviously lacking.

There's a reason we arent show the motives behind Yasu and everyone else....its because the game master was loveless and thus we will only have this answer on EP8.

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>>5969353
Reality ensues. Threaten everyone's lives, damn right you're going to be put down the moment it's convenient.

Kind of like Wile Coyote having an Acme product work on him.

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>>5969339
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
>George
>Jessica
>Maria
BLAGH

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>>5969368
>God, you guys really think that the ''whydunnit'' of ANYONE was explained in EP7?

People are too busy raging at both Kyrie and Rudolf to care. But I'm sure it'll be explained (as well as alot of things about the two) in EP8

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>We dislike Bernkastel even knowing that she dealt with suffering, terrible suffering even

More like some of us dislike Bern. She has a very strong and loyal fanbase.

>>5969328

Bern's suffering = Rika's suffering. We all know it very well. It's just that a lot of people don't want to accept that their cute nipah loli turned into Bern.

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Episode 8 is going to fuck with our heads some more.
I have a bad feeling it's going to be all fantasy.

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who? I still say sakutaro did it.
how? He's a fucking lion
why? He's a fucking lion

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>>5969381
We don't know if she killed Maria, she just had a bloody knife.
Aso killed Gohda, or Rudolf, can't remember.

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>>5969381

Well I guess you don't care about Rosa right? Me neither bitch was a bitch

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who? wouldn't put it past kinzo
how? wouldn't put it past kinzo
why? wouldn't put it past kinzo

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Will-san, Lion-san, did you know that cats say nyaa nyaa?

Nipaa~~

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Does the motive excuse the crime?

Or are there crimes so heinous that motive could matter less?

Right now this what is going to be debated about, but I for think that motive can only go so far.

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>>5969353
The funniest thing about this is that Hachijou's stories are all based exactly on someone solving the epitaph.
And they also have some elements that were in the real version, like calling the cousins take the test and them just shoot them.

In other words, Hachijou understood something else and she is putting that in her stories - something not included in reality, nor in 'What Yasu thought would happen'. Something visible only when someone knows both.

To dumb it down, Asumu is alive and she knows what happened on Rokkenjima. How?

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>>5969399
Who cares about Rosa?

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>>5969393
I think so as well. But not "fantasy" as much as "one of the possiblities inside the catbox".
Bern said she was going to be the actual GM of the last story, and then Battler says the whole thing about his story being without bad people.

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>>5969398
She savagely beat Jessica to death.

Now, unless the Moonfags were correct, that's pretty damn evil.

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>>5969410
2nd
eva>>>>>>>>>>>>>rosa

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>>5969413
eva can accept ur fat ass even if ur fat. rosa can't even accept her own daughter.

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>>5969399
>>Rosa died
and nothing of value was lost

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>>5969415
>ur
>fat
Stop that. You're making the rest of us look bad.

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>>5969408
>To dumb it down, Asumu is alive and she knows what happened on Rokkenjima. How?

Now you have lost me.

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>>5969417
Shoudln't, really should not have lol'd.

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>>5969408
> To dumb it down, Asumu is alive and she knows what happened on Rokkenjima. How?
A little kitten told her.

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Episode 8 is going to be a happy story where everyone dies, but in a good way?

What? Fuck that, give the goddamn truth.

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>>5969421
Truth problem anon?

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>>5969368
>you guys really think that the ''whydunnit'' of ANYONE was explained in EP7?

We know the motives of the most important characters: the main killers and the main mastermind. And they are shallow and disappointing as fuck.

In EP8 we will get a super sad story that will be supposed to make us sympathize with Kyrie and explain why she and her husband turned into evil monsters.

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>>5969431
>give the goddamn truth.
you already have that. Thing is, it seems truth still allows possibilities to exist.

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>>5969435
You're Ryuukishi07?

Oh, look he's here!

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Dudes, nothing can justify Kyrie and Rudolf killing George and Jessica.

No motives can do it, no amount of BAW.

The ONLY thing we can get is a Rokkenjima where they AREN'T the goddamn killers.

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>>5969446
>Dudes, nothing can justify Kyrie and Rudolf killing George and Jessica.

But I guess it's perfectly fine to kill Maria right? Oh! I forgit Battler since he has a possibility of being killed.

Then again lets see how EP8 plays out. There's a reason why Battler doesn't consider both Kyrie and Rudolf bad people

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You should already know Rudolf's and Kyrie's motives. I mean, I guessed it at the end of EP1. You guys are incompetents.

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I will love when like ALWAYS EP8 is not at all what people expected.

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>>5969435
Yeah, we know the motives of Yasu, we know everything about her.
The only holes left are about Rudolf, Kyrie and Battler, that's all.

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>>5969453
Well, I'm just saying.

All of you guys who say SHITS OVER WE JUST HAVE TO SEE THEIR MOTIVES are being a bit silly.

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>>5969410
>>5969413
Too bad Japan disagrees. Enjoy Eva not even making the top 10 in the next popularity poll.

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Was going through easymodo and just found this.

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/5911328#p5915729
> Episode 7 will be the answer to episode 3, and thus it will revolve around Eva and Kyrie.
Heh.

Also http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/5883505
> So basically... the reason Shkanontrice hasn't been outed is because she received the headship of the Ushiromiya family from Kinzo before he died, as well as the gold of the Golden Land (bank accounts) and the ring of the head, with instructions about how to execute Kinzo's estate?

>>5969423
Read this: http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4417315#p4417546

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>>5969456

Yes I know. Ryukishi is always the master of mindfucking people so I shoudn't predict much but still.

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>>5969435
We dont know the motive of Yasu at all.
We know about her/him, her childhood, who she really is, some of the hardship that she felt through her life, the fact that she loves Battler...but none of these are even close to hinting a motive. None of these are even close to hinting why the hell Battler forgave beato, none of these explain why the bottle letters are solvable, none of these explain how she found the gold and had the idea of the epitaph killings.

Yes, we have part of the truth, but its dumb to assume that's everything... and god, the very fact that its Bern we are talking implys that it was impossible to figure out the whydunnit in this episode.

I mean, that is the REAL ''without love it cannot be seen''

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>>5969446

Remember Takano? It will be the same thing.

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>>5969460
>imply Eva won't be in the top ten
Of course, Rosa will be too, but....

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>In EP8 we will get a super sad story that will be supposed to make us sympathize with Kyrie and explain why she and her husband turned into evil monsters.
Actually, it was said that sooner or later the shooting and fighting between siblings would have started anyways. Kyrie was just the first to notice it, and took advantage of it.
Also, Eva shooting Natsuhi was really suspicious and not really "lol accident". Sure, she drops the rifle and says she didn't do it soon after, but the narration was everyone talking, there was no mention of Natsuhi grappling whomever.
It really came out of nowhere, they didn't show them fighting. Also, Eva was the first to take up a gun to threathen the other siblings.

This, coupled with Bern being actual GM of ep8, doesn't really look like it'll be a tale full of sugar and everyone's good. If anything, I'm expecting to see how every Ushiromiya is a fucking soulless human being who could have done the same thing as Kyrie.

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>>5969453
He apologized to Beatrice and considered it was his sin she started killing people.
And the only thing he did was a childish promise, that's supposed to be enough of a sin to think it was your fault some psychopath decided to kill your family?

Battler is fucking jesus or something.

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>>5969460

We all know Rosa will beat Eva in the Japan popularity polls. She's always top 5 in every popularity polls even if she doesn't do anything.

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>>5969466
We know the motive of Yasu, don't delude yourself.
Just because you don't like it, it doesn't change anything.

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>>5969460
What is there left to like about Rosa?

What was ever there for japanese to like about Rosa?

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>>5969472
Hm? If I recall correctly, what happened was as follows.
Krauss is all LET'S SPLIT THE GOLD, followed by Eva pointing the gun at him, followed by Natsuhi jumping at Eva, hilarity ensues.

And Battler said they were good people, you don't become good just because everyone else is also an evil sociopath.

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>>5969472
>If anything, I'm expecting to see how every Ushiromiya is a fucking soulless human being who could have done the same thing as Kyrie.

You wanna bet /jp/ will be all "All Ushiromiya members should just go burn in hell!! Gohda can take care of Ange!" It will be amusing

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>>5969481
Yeah of course, she's just a psycopathic murdering yandere bitch just for the sake of it and because she lost a penis.

Seriously, we have read this shit for 6~7 whole episodes, you should be able to figure out that none of the characters, specially Beatrice, are as shallow and cruel as they seem to be.

Its not like ''love'' has been hammered on our head for any reason at all. R07 a bunch of the people that assumed the whole truth to shut the fuck up in EP7, just let the man do his job and complete everything in EP8.

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>>5969481
There is a gap of two years in Yasu story, it ends in 1984.

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>>5969497
Oh, hush up you, it won't be like that.

If you think Battler is going to portray his family as monsters, you haven't been paying proper attention.

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>>5969466

We do. It's just that her motives are shallow and stupid.

>none of these explain why the bottle letters are solvable

How so? EP 1-2 are just fiction by Yasu. Fiction where her plans go all keikaku doori. In reality adults fucked up her plans and Kyrie killed her.

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>>5969487
I'm trying to find the passage as we speak, could be I missed it but I can't remember mention of Natsuhi jumping at her in narration. Sure, that's what Eva says afterwards the shoot, but I'm not convinced. I'll re-read it to be sure.

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>>5969472
Man, there is Battler stuff an the end.

And if you think that Bern will win at the end, you're fucking idiot.

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>>5969508
> If you think Battler is going to portray his family as monsters, you haven't been paying proper attention.

Oh I know Battler wont do that. It's GM Bern (loveless witch) who i'm talking about

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>>5969520
And Bern is the villain.

And Battler will tell the "real story of Rokkenjima".

Sum up.

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>>5969512
Then i ask you two questions: why were the letters wroten in the first place?

And why the story is solvable by reading them? even if they are just fiction, why did Yasu went all the trouble of using closed rooms and tricks that are solvable if he could just write a big ''MAGIC DID EVERYTHING''?

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>>5969520
R07 said "bittersweet end" not "bad end".

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>>5969529
he doesn't say "the real story of Rokkenjima", that was a fake spoiler.

[ERIKA !!rvelpwMesVU No.]

Don't solve the epitaph: Get killed by Yasu/bomb.
Solve the epitaph: Adults kill everyone.

No wonder Battler stopped giving a shit, he's screwed either way.

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>>5969543
He says that. Read it again.

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HEY GUYS

BATTLER IS AMAKUSA
ASUMU (HACHIJOU) SAVED HIM, THAT'S WHY HE KNOWS ALL THE 18^8 SHIT

WHAT DO YOU THINK, EVERYONE

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>Minagoroshi-hen
>Takano you evil bitch! Die! Burn in hell!!!

>Matsuribayashi-hen
>Miyo-chan ;_;

It will be the same with Kyrie.

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>>5969551
he says "what happened that day".
No mention of "real".

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>>5969499
The characters are as shallow as they seem to be, episode 7 made it very clear.

What Yasu want to do is very clear?
Fucked up penis = she considers herself furniture.
Being furniture = not being able to love
Golden land is where even furniture can become humans, where lovers who have been separated can be together once again.

She thinks her only chance to be with Battler is to go to the golden land, and to become a full human that probably mean getting a pussy or something.

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>>5969579
Lolyeah, Battler will lie in the final episode and the villain will win.

That's stupid, anon. It's fucking obvious what he's implying there.

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>>5969573
People would be singing a different tune about Takano had she succeeded in the end.

And Ryukushi using the same thing three times cheapens the deal.

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>>5969573

It was the same with Beato:

>EP2: FUCKING EVIL BITCH!!!

>EP3-EP5: BEATO :3

Erika as well (To an extent)

>EP5: FUCKING MARY SUE BITCH! STOP ABUSING NATSUHI!

>EP6: Poor Erika!! ;_; why did she have to die like that!!

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>>5969591
There is nothing obvious.
What you try to imply by using real is that what we were shown wasn't real.

Battler never implied that.

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>>5969599
I never hated Beato.

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Wright=Battler theory rolls on

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>>5969591
I haven't said "lying". But there's still possibilities, the whole catbox thing and all.
Both Bern and Battler say they'll spin a story, one without bad guys, and the other saying she hasn't yet had fun as proper GM. And Battler says it's up to Ange to decide.

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>>5969602
No?

He goes to the extent to say Ange that "no one was bad people" and "no one was there to know the truth".

It's obvious anon, and if you think that EP8 will be about Bernkastel showing everyone as fucking murderers and winning you didn't got at all was Umineko's point.

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>>5969621
>And Battler says it's up to Ange to decide.

Decide what kind of story it is to her

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I HEARD YOU HATE ANGE SO SHE APPEARS ONLY FOR BE HAMBURGE'D

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Whatever Beatrice's motive was, I don't think she genuinely planned to kill everyone if they didn't solve the epitaph, despite what she told the parents. I don't see Battler accepting and forgiving Beatrice if her purpose was "kill everyone because of you, now let's go to the golden land!" because that's crazy and at odds with his reaction to his sin in Ep4. You pity crazy people, you don't forgive them of attempted mass murder (...unless you're in Hinamizawa).

I don't think Beatrice intended to kill anybody, but at the same time she did not plan to survive the conference herself. I suggest everything she did after the parents found the gold was a suicide attempt that went wrong when the family started killing each other, rather than an attempt to incite them into mass murder.

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>>5969617
They both symbolize similar concepts.
The fact that they look similar and act similarly isn't a coincidence.

They are the reader who try to solve Umineko while caring about the heart.

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>>5969637
She planned to kill everyone.
Pieces can't act against their personalities, Beatrice kills in various episodes and therefore Yasu could do it as well.

Sorry for you.

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>>5969631
Only thing he said was that it would be up to Ange to decide.

He never denied the version we saw.

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>>5969636
She died for real this time.
Thank god she wasn't real, real Ange is still a loli so it's better.

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>>5969658
He said that it's to Ange to decide what kind of story it is to her (the story that he will tell), not to decide what truth she wants (Battler or Bern).

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>>5969637

Fake first twilight happened more than once so it's possible.

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>>5969680
That's what I mean.

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>>5969687
Only when the epitaph was solved.

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>>5969637
You are going too far in your whiteknighting.
She planned on killing everyone, accept it.

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>>5969680
Yeah, because the truth is already there. It still doesn't mean Battler is trying to substitute a "truth" to the one Bernkastel showed and that was not the truth, does it?

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>>5969687
>When the contract ends, Beatrice will have the right to collect the gold and the interest. However, if a person who disclose the hidden gold of the contract appears, Beatrice must eternally and completely abdicate of this right …From now on, the collection of the interest will be performed but, if whoever one person among everyone can satisfy the special clause,

>Everything will be returned including the part already collected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969696
>>5969637
She prepared the bomb and always activate it when the parents didn't solve the epitaph.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969695
Well, he kinda negated it, at least partially.

His answer to Ange question about if Kyrie and Rudolf were killer was basically "lol no".

And he will probably end hijacking Bern's game in some way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969714
It's not "lol no", stop warping statements with your perception.

It was about Rudolf and Kyrie being cruel monster, Battler says it's not true.
Which mean that he will explain why they aren't monster.

Yasu planned on killing all these people and she isn't considered a monster, right?
Same thing will happen in episode 8.

[Anonymous No.]

I thought funny she even explained how the shrine 'misteriously dessapeared' during a strom night because of a thunder.
i had always wondered that

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969714
He negated only that they are bad people actually. People don't see to have problems believing Eva killed but still isn't bad right now, so it could just be a matter of perspective, but with killings still happening.

Well, I don't think anyone is wrong, I just think we're expecting different things out of EP8, anything more is just speculation based on words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969708

That never happened. There is just one world, in that world Yasu never activated the bomb or killed anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>spend entire episode going on about the importance of THE HEART
>get ignored

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969752
I wrote prepared, not activated.
She prepared everything, the bomb, the guns, sending the letters beforehand.

She just failed to act her plan because the parents were smarter than she thought.

[Anonymous No.]

R07 masterplan:
>hide hints with a lot of confusing shit and make up a tale making homage to the best mystery fiction
>say it's solvable
>gloat
>people make theories
>they're actually right
>IT'S THE MOTIVE (only one out of three not guessable in the first part) THAT MATTERS LOLO I TROL U

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969732
He says, "that's no true". Negation, the same.

And he says "what happened that day" not "i will tell you the backstory of your parents".

That don't means that I think that Battler will not unravel Kyrie and Rudolf backstories. He will probably do it.

I personally think that there's a good possibility that this will end similar at how Matsuribayashi-hen worked, with some part of backstory and love, and then a story, a last battle and final climax.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969786
>only one out of three not guessable in the first part
sorry what? the pony was guessable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969790
Not true that they are monsters, because they are humans with reasons to be what they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>First game board
>All peace full we get the backstory of several characters and ends quite peacefully.
>Second Game board
>Its a fucking deathmach.

WOW, talk about extremes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969808
Yeah, that was my point.

I first answered to
>If anything, I'm expecting to see how every Ushiromiya is a fucking soulless human being who could have done the same thing as Kyrie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969820
well, the first gameboard ended as Kyrie, again, killed everybody.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969820
that's because even though now we know the whole bottle letter/fiction deal, it was still something that had to be read in order by the readers, so character introduction, fantasy bullshit ever increasing etc were a must.
Which in retrospect is funny, considering the first gameboard is the one where the most weird shit could have happened, considering no red truths and all possibilities were still open, yet it's the one without fantasy.

[Anonymous No.]

Bern was only able to place Leon/Yasu in the first place because she expanded the size of the cat box around the story. Her new cat box contains fragments that are unreachable from the original one, so Rudolf and Kyrie could be loving parents in Beato's game regardless of what the new fragments allow. Since Ange is a piece from that game, even if what was presented in EP7 is "completely true", it isn't necessarily possible to connect that fragment to her own past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969860

That's because EP1 is the only one presented exactly the same as it's bottled version.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is everyone saying that the 2nd game was what really happened ?
Bern never said that, well maybe almost when Ange was crying, but still she only said that this story won't have an happy ending.
Is it wrong to wait for Battler to slap Bern in the face and at least give us a bittersweet ending ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969950

She said in red that what happens in the EP7 tea party is "all truth" so yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969860
>>5969946
Pretty sure the person was talking about the two "boards" in Episode 7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969950
Claire, the last vestige of Beatrice, the personification of the illusions surrounding what happened, died. Nobody was the GM. Red truth that it was all truth. Auau loses interest and goes back to sleep.
I don't know, I'm all for "keep thinking" but maybe finding out the bare truth wasn't the point of it all, that's why we're given it before the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969950
>Is it wrong to wait for Battler to slap Bern in the face and at least give us a bittersweet ending?

Nah, that's probably what will end happening, at least in some way.

[Anonymous No.]

When will people finally realize that Battler is simply no match for Lambda and Bern?

There will be no Battler beating the shit out of them. Ever. It's just impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969981
Same way as Rika can't beat Takano Miyo...?

Oh wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969981

Battler is supposed to know the truth about the game.

Bernkastel/Lambda does not I believe?

He got more or less the upper ground here really.

Just that Bern/Lambda is more experienced and willing to sacrifice everything to gain victory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969981
Evil Mary Sues, awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969981
In EP6 Lambda said he surpassed Bern, and he's a full-on Wizard now. Remember when Beatrice said her magic, Lambda and Bern's are like rock paper scissors? Doesn't change much, except he's in Beato's shoes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969988
Lambda knows.

Bern... who knows, I think that will be the point of EP8, if loveless Bern can grasp the full truth or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969983

God helped her.

And Ruy said super happy end won't happen in Umineko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970026
He said that 'not all of the 18 will be alive at the end'... And he said that before he released EP4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970026
Yeah, but he said "bittersweet end" not "bad ending with bad guys winning".

You forgot that the last time this guy said "bittersweet ending" we got Miotsukushi-hen, that basically is the same as Matsuribayashi with some random changes, Hanyuu backstory and Hanyuu dying at the end?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970001
I can't wait to see the look on Bern's face when she finds out that Lambda was on Beato and Battler's side the whole time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969998

Battler is still no match for a voyager.

And Ryukishi said many times that he wants to avoid this whole friendship and good crush evil crap from Higurashi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5969998

lol it was also said that Bern cant do much too Beato in her own territory but out of it she is infinetely more powerful

[Anonymous No.]

>And Ryukishi said many times that he wants to avoid this whole friendship and good crush evil crap from Higurashi.

Where did he say this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970083
They aren't fighting head on though, they're playing a game and Bern has already lost once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970083
He avoided the whole friendship rather well.

The good crush evil on other hand... He even went as far as tell that the first time in his life that he was satisfied and happy with something he wrote was with EP5 end...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970075
Miotsukushi hen was a total struggle against fate having to go against every bad end flag in the history that we had been presented with.
Also Hannyu's death was touching, totally not canon, but touching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970106
Yeah, but that is "bittersweet" to Ryuukishi07.

Some people will call that a Good End with someone dying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970106
I thought Ryuukishi didn't write Miotsukushi-hen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970075

How could anyone win Umineko in the first place? Almost everything is resolved. Battler is having a picnic with Beato. Lambda and Bern are getting tired of Rokkenjima.

Bern was already all "fuck this shit, I'm out of here" in EP6. But then Aurora offered her to have a bit of extra fun at the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970076
which she wont because she didnt. neither was she on Berns said though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970128
and he didn't, but still he liked it better than his original, because it's better/makes more sense internally, except the part about aliens and Hanyuu dying and the witches appearing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970133
Beato is dead, you know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970140
witches appearing ? <has never read Miotsukushi>

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone dissapointed how Kinzo became from the motherfucking goldsmith to a crazy rapist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970153
to the end?
never. Got really bored of it, I think I dropped it halfway. After that read some spoilers, which I thouht were true

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970103

But EP5 end was not about crushing evil. It was about a bunch of "good guys" ganging on a girl that was forced into the whole thing by an evil creature, and that evil creature was having fun and laughing at the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

meanwhile at alchemist

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970166
> Reading through EP7
> Looking for evidence that Kinzo ever actually raped Beato
> Not seeing any

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970173

You know Erika wasn't exactly being forced right? Of course there's the whole being thrown to oblivion but still. She ain't no victim

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970182
You should learn Japanese before playing it then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970182
Keep reading, you will see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970173
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

Something I just realized, in the Game Master BATTLER TIP Kyrie/Rudolf nor Shannon/Kanon were asking for being in a part of the EP6 script.
Maybe that's why there weren't "REAL" killings (aside Erika's meddling) on that episode, the two main factors weren't meant to be triggered!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970173
what do you mean by "evil creature" ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970194

Oh God. This "Furudo Erika who?" meme is getting just as annoying as "Batman Eva"

[Anonymous No.]

FINALLY I FINISHED ON READING THIS SHIT....

>"これは全て真実"
Yep this means Its all truth.
But its not like Red Truth was denied in EP5 and EP6.
And the Witch of FICTION and THEATHER is sleeping now.

I don't believe it yet, but if its all truth then it should end here. Battler's birth and Kyrie/Rudolf's story are not important enough (since Kyrie and Rudolf were all for HURRDURRMONEY).

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970189

no, she only was given one in a million chance to live in exchange of being a piece in a witchs game. of course she was free to go where she wanted

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970191
Maybe there's something later that I haven't reached yet, but so far Kinzo and Kumasawa's testimony doesn't say that he ever raped her. Kumasawa says he loved her "in a way that wasn't appropriate for his daughter", but that doesn't mean he had sex with her, and even if he did, it doesn't mean he forced her.

Beato's demeanor towards him in EP3 also strongly suggests he never forced her. Even though she doesn't think of him as her real father, she's still fond of him and loves him as a surrogate father. She never once gave any indication to Rosa that she was abused either.

There's also exactly zero evidence that she was ever pregnant. She certainly wasn't when she met Rosa, and if she'd given birth previously, it defies belief that she would completely fail to mention the baby while preparing to run away from the island forever.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970254
Again, keep reading.

At some point is REALLY explicit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970254
It's also difficult to believe that Kumasawa wouldn't take matters into her own hands to protect a girl that she had raised for 19 years and was extremely close to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970254
>implying Beato II and Meta/Piece Beato are the same Beato

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970254
You want spoilers?
At the end, we see all the shitty things that have happened to the various people embodying Beatrice. Like:
- Beatrice2 looking anxious, telling someone whose perspective we're looking from "I have a lot of respect for you, father, but.."
- Beatrice3 talking to Nanjo and Genji screaming angrily at them why did they save him/her, because due to that serious injury, now he/she can't be loved. Then he/she exclaims he/she isn't human anymore, then decides to be called furniture.

[Anonymous No.]

HEY
HEY YASU
I'M YOUR GRANDPA
AND YOUR FATHER TOO
AND MAYBE YOUR HUSBAND

[Anonymous No.]

Asune > Rennon >>>>>>>> Everyone else

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970254
>There's also exactly zero evidence that she was ever pregnant.

Who the fuck do you think is Yasu/Lion's mother, you idiot? He knocked his daughter up, it isn't up for debate anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970351
do we know the rest of their names?
We have: Runon, Renon, Manon, Asune and Belne.
so Sanon and Belnon?

[Anonymous No.]

Remember that time when Rosa met Suit-Beato? She explicity says "that woman looked arounds her 20's".
...The woman part is what bothers me the most.

I know that Leon/Yasu's sex is one big mystery, yet s/he can't be male. Intersex or female are the only options. Suit-Beato's attire gives a moderated view of her thighs, which help to tell apart a she from a he.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970311
Thank you, that is more explicit. But...

I dunno. I have this growing impression as I read that there are little holes in the testimony Will is collecting. Not that anyone is lying, but that in order to reach Bern's Yasu supertheory, you have to make some leaps to fill in the gaps. I'm wondering if part of the reason Bern expanded the cat box was so she could connect those dots in a malicious way and present the resulting fragment. That might be the true story of some Beatrice without being the story of OUR Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970355
I'm not arguing about what happened in that fragment. But are you sure that fragment is actually within the bounds of Beato's game board?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970416
Yeah, I thought the same actually.

Nanjo for example, was pretty odd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970416
Um... not sure if you know this, but Episode 7 confirms that there was only one "real" Rokkenjima, and that's the one Bern shows us in the Tea party. Each "Fragment" discussed is just a possibility, not the real thing. But what Bern shows is the real thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970450
It's not really confirmed, it's IMPLIED.

And I'm not saying that wasn't the truth, but the full truth, I seriously doubt it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970450
All she said was that it was "all truth", not that there was only one Rokkenjima. It ought to be clear by now that red truth can be specific to individual fragments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970450
You actually believe Trollkastel?
I know I do!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970450
We got some holes and odd behaviors in Will's investigation, I don't think that everthing is solved yet.

Like >>5969223

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970459
>>5970457
What is confirmed is that fragment = fiction.
Which mean that there is only one Rokkenjima.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970450
And because of that, it makes more sense for what is revealed in the game proper to be true than false. Basically, Bernkastel set things up so that Will could reveal Beatrice's heart, that is, the truth of Beatrice and who she was, and lay her to rest. Only then was Bernkastel able to show what happened on the real Rokkenjima. Of course, when she does the tea party stuff, she pretty much leaves the "whydunnit" unanswered, which assumedly is what Battler will be going into in Episode 8.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970416
>>5970449
Episode 8 is the last.
The illusion of Beatrice has been completely shattered.

You guys try to create holes where there aren't.
There is no mystery about Beatrice anymore, that's why Clair died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970466

More of this fanart please! So delicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970490
Episode 8 being the last don't mean that there is no things to be answered or things not fully revealed.

Take Matsuribayashi-hen for example, we get tons of info in that arc.

[Anonymous No.]

The thing that bugs is that she just said "its all true".
Is she just being trollarific obvious about this fragment or this is really the truth ?
Because AuAu only went to sleep on the end and she is the Witch of Fiction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970473
Fragment = fiction, but we have no way of knowing whether a non-fragment world exists. The Umineko universe could consist of infinitely nested fictions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970470
Obviously Kinzo wanted to cause the two groups to kill each other while he and Beatrice escaped so that he could return later on and retrieve the gold all for himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970500
AuAu was completely satisfied and went to sleep after learning the truth of Rokkenjima, it's implied that it can satisfy her for a few hundred years because it's the truth and the confirmation of her theories.

[Anonymous No.]

If all is fiction, why Bern doesn't fucking erases herself doing what she's doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970499
The truth about Beatrice has been completely revealed.
But there are more hidden stuffs, most of them focusing on Kyrie and Rudolf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970500
Red can be deceiving too, just look at the clusterfuck of EP5 red truth involving Natsuhi and Kinzo.
Not saying what was shown wasn't true after all, but that it's not the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970515
Hmmm, it still hasn't clear for me because i do't really know if she was satisfied by the TRUTH or Bern's "truth".
It's never stated that Bern knows the full extent of the game as Battler does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970515
All that means is that AuAu was able to confirm her theory using info from Bern's game, not that her theory and Bern's theory were the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970540
Aren't they the same?
She asked for Bern to check and corfirm her theories, Bern was just playing along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970540
What we saw at the end wasn't Bern's theory?
You guys are misunderstanding something, what we saw had nothing to do with Bern.
It was a scene that was shown after Clair's death, after the illusion was shattered, that's all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970499
Well duh, but you seem to think that Yasu's past will be changed somehow. We're much more likely to get the explanations that Bernkastel left out regarding the Whydunnits for Yasu, Kyrie, and Rudolf. For example, we know that Battler returning was somehow a trigger for Yasu, but we don't know HOW it was a trigger. There may have been even more going on in the Ushiromiya family than we've been told. Hell, it's even possible that Yasu was bluffing about actually killing everyone, and merely wanted to set up a murder mystery for Battler to solve. Problem is, the adults solved the epitaph first and things went downhill from there.

I do hope we finally get an Asumu sprite in Episode 8, considering she actually showed up in one of the flashbacks in Episode 7 and yet was not pictured. I'd particularly like it if the sprite has Hachijou Touya's face, but the Hachijou = Asumu theory is still pretty crack despite the soft spot I have for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970524
Because fictions are "truth" and "real worlds" relative to themselves. They only look like fiction from higher levels.

[Anonymous No.]

how about its not all fiction but Auau just wrote down what she observed during peeking at various Beatos's games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970591
How about it's confirmed that it's a fiction and you should stop being in denial?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970591
That could work, but it would only mean that the Meta World is real. As explicitly illustrated in Episode 6 when we're shown Battler putting together his gameboard, the various games themselves are fiction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970561
Shannon basically said this outright at the very beginning of EP2. I don't think anyone noticed at the time though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970597
If you feel you have the answer to Umineko or you're truly Ryukishi himself, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with asking a question where you feel something is contradictory to what was previously mentioned in the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970554
>Hell, it's even possible that Yasu was bluffing about actually killing everyone

Not really, it's not possible at all.
I know you guys like Beatrice and all but you are just being completely delusional here.

[Anonymous No.]

GODDAMNIT WHY DIDN'T BERN SAID "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR FUCKING FAMILY, WHY YOU SUCH A SHITTY LIFE"
But nooo, she left an ambiguous "Its all truth".
Fuck you WITCHES AND WHORES

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970632
cliffhanger: def. makes people buy your games.

[Anonymous No.]

Watch, watch, we'll get an end that will have all of you niggers happy.

Eva will still be a bro, this time it'll just have Rudolf, Kyrie, Jessica, Natsuhi, Krauss, George and everyone else become magicians to save the world, or something.

Basically, we can easily get a good end for Ange and everyone, because even Ange's bad future isn't essentially real. Even the conditions like only Eva and perhaps Battler surviving doesn't have to be true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970632

ahahaha.wav

[Anonymous No.]

Wonder what R07's next story will be about.
Hoping it won't be a rip-off but something original next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970624
White Knighters of Beatrice and White Knighters of Eva are missing the goddamn point.

You morons, both characters aren't perfect, but that's also why they're great. Don't insult them by pretending they weren't either delusional or selfish to a tragic degree. In the end, Yasu's love for Battler was pure, and Eva made the right decision regarding not informing Ange about her parents being shit.

They both did some very bad things, Eva with her greed, and Yasu with the murder plot, but in the end they're a bit more noble than not noble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970667
Sure is noble to plot the murder of 15 people just because your penis was cut when you were a baby.

[Anonymous No.]

ALSO WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT EVA IS THE HERO WHEN SHE STARTED THE FUCKING CHAIN REACTION OF KILLING EACHOTHER ?!
Damn right im mad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970683

That still makes me laugh for some reason..

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970667
COULD IT BE? AN END TO EVAFAGS VS YASUFAGS?
>>5970686
>>5970683
/jp/ I am dissapoint.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970610
well that the gameboards are just games i know, but i was thinking more of something like: each of the story starts in a different kakera each time, the truth of that kakera is then covered by the "gameboard" in which all the magical stuff happens and you cant tell whats hidden behind it

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970711

Just give it up. Flame wars will always happen. just enjoy the ride

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970711
Hey, I like Beatrice and Eva, so this is much better than Shkanontrice vs Moon-chan.

At least this discussion has two sides that are, barring a few stragglers, intelligent.

This is rather pleasant, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970667
Eva made mistake, panicked.
She basically acted like a normal human, she isn't a hero but she isn't a bad person either.

Yasu thought? Don't make laugh, whiteknighting her is pure bullshit.
People who thought her past was "cruel" and her reason to do what she did "understandable" must have a heart as big as Buddha or something.

There was absolutely nothing really cruel about her past.
At most she is a cripple and penis is cut, or she is a futa or he doesn't have balls or something.

Doesn't change the fact that she is fucking overreacting, she is a lunatic and that's everything about her.

The whole LOVE is just R07 trying to force his shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Why in EP3 Beatrice says that Kinzo's love for her was unrequited and that she killed herself to escape from him, when in fact they loved each other?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970745
>>as big as Buddha
Making such a reference...Is that you ken-sama?

[Anonymous No.]

>Yasu thought? Don't make laugh, whiteknighting her is pure bullshit.
>her
So she has a cunt ? Thats explains lots of stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970784
She's kinda like Akito from fruits basket, you understand 'his' whole behaviour better after learning the gender.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970751
Maybe she refers to Beatrice Jr.After being raped so yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970807
Umineko is a reverse Fruits Basket.
In FB the yaoi fangirls cried and raged.
In Umineko the yaoi fangirls around the world are probably rejoicing and crying with joy.

Yaoi fangirls are the worst thing that can happen to a fandom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970826
But how? His penis is gone, how can there be yaoi with no penises?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970826
Eh. Will and Leon are the true yaoi couple, Beato is /d/ material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970751
Only Beatrice Castiglioni loved Kinzo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970826
The yaoi fangirls went for Battler/Juuza and Battler/Kanon. The entire fucking fandom seems to be rooting for Leonard, regardless of usual likes and dislikes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970833
You think the yaoi fangirls understood the implication of all the "I can't love" and "I'm furniture" and shit that implies that something bad happened to Leon's genital?

No, they just look at Will and Leon and they will slash them to death, then they will realize that Leon is also Beatrice which mean that BeatoxBattler is yaoi as well and countless fanfiction will be born.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970849
It's fine, because Umineko also has Bern/Lambda, and if you're slightly more shippy, Ange/Mammon and maybe even Dlanor/Who's Erika?

[Anonymous No.]

R07 sold his soul to the evil.
Was he that desperate to sell his stuff? Maybe Umineko really isn't that popular in Japan so R07 is trying to appeal to a fandom full of untapped potential like the yaoi fangirls.

[Anonymous No.]

BTW didn't Will said something about Maria's father?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970868
Japan seems desperate to convince itself that Leon is a girl though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970866
This. There's tons of alternatives if you don't like one pairing, and who said you had to like any?

Besides, there's a canon lesbian couple and lots of canon straight ones. This is a story about love, so why not get a gay couple as well? If it has Will, no one should be fucking complaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970868
Umineko is not as popular as Higurashi, but always sold very well.

I think is just R07 way to go into "free love" mode, as that rather fits with the whole love thematic of the saga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970849
See >>5970412
The same applies to MetaBeato, her body is one of a female, fujoshis wanting to slash BattlerBeato as yaoi despite that would be... weird.

[Anonymous No.]

FUCKING SEAKATS
>>>/a/39349726
KEEP YOUR SHIT IN YOUR OWN THREADS

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970889
From the information I read in the 2chan threads, Umineko sell about 1/3 of what Higurashi did during the comiket.

Which is actually still pretty good for a doujin I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970902
>/a/
Not us, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko was always full of lesbians, and now homosexuals. I see no problem with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970901
Are you familiar with the notion of eunuch?
That would explain why Yasu has a female figure.

[Anonymous No.]

The true culprit is Leon's cat. If it weren't for her breaking that vase back when Beato was a little girl, none of this would have ever happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970902
The Evafag did make a good point. But why the fuck are they messing about in a Rance thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970930
And by Leon I mean Will. Go me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5970902
>>Yasufag vs Evafag fucking up a pun based Rance thread
YOU SAID IT WAS OVER /jp/
THIS SHIT IS JUST MOON-CHAN AND SHKANONTRICE ALL OVER AGAIN

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>>5970937
...Wait a minute, how the hell did a stray cat get on the island?

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>>5970942
Eventually it will be arguing over what was worse, the time of Eva vs. Yasu or the time of Moon-chan vs. Shkannontrice.

I'll miss the Doubletrice supporters a little. They were like the loud, drunk frat boys of Seacats.

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>>5970952
Meanwhile Leonard shippers are constantly busy having their own fabulous party in the background.

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>>5970952
I prefer Shkannontrice vs. Moon-chan, simply because I didn't care on way or another for either (though I thought Shkannontrice was true and Moon-chan was fucking stupid.)

With Yasufags vs. Evafags, I get pissed off because I like Yasu and Evafags are starting to drive me into hating Eva, a character I also really like, with their ridiculousness.

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>>5970952
Doubt it will happen.
ShKanontrice vs moon-chan was MY THEORY VS YOUR THEORY.

The whole Eva thing is nothing more than a different view, it's not it's something that can be disussed.

Honestly I'm surprised the continuous threads lasted so long, it's not like there is much to talk anymore

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>>5970956
>Leonard shippers
They already have a name, god help us.

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>>5970952
Evafags and Yasufags beat the shit out of Moon-chanfags and Shkanontricefags.

Which is odd, because by all rights the Shkanontricefags should also be Yasufags.

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there are many many great pairings in Umineko, but the problem is, this episode didnt include any besides Leon/Will

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>>5970972
Back in the day, no one liked Shkanontrice, not even the people arguing for it

[Kurizu 204 - 0603 8707 7560 No.]

stream in 10
we are almost done with mintrice's reading rainbow
something bout tea party today
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Wasn't Shkanon with Battler in this scene during EP1?

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>>5970991
fantasy scene

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>>5970985
I'd say I like the Evafags a bit more than the Yasufags.

Some Evafags acknowledge that she was greedy and shit, but almost all Yasufags deny that her actions were bad in any way.

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>>5971001
Meh, both should chill the fuck out, the Moonchanfags and Shkanontricefags were both terrible people.

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>>5970991
doing beds with Kumasawa.

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>>5971001
>almost all Yasufags deny that her actions were bad in any way.

What? I have seen nothing of the sort. All I see is Evafags going "YASU IS SHALLOW AS FUCK, HER CHILDHOOD WAS CUSHY, ETC." and Yasufags saying that they can relate to her.

Meanwhile Evafags think Eva is God's given gift to Rokkenjima.

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>>5970991
They were alone with Kumasawa in the VN. But if I remember correctly, the anime split them up, and Shannon was with Gohda in the kitchen.

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>>5971030
What about the fags who think Yasu was only doing a prank for Battler and she really wasn't going to kill anyone.

Yeah she prepared the bomb, the guns and the letters but it was really a prank, awesome.

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http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=12662157

Translation plox.
Damn FAT FAT

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...Was it ever explained what Jessica meant with her talk about the stage at EP2?

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We're on autosage, new thread?

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>>5971098
My skills are nonexistent, but I'll give it a shot after I finish this other comic. Some of those kanji are going to be a bitch to read, though.

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>>5971198
Thanks Anon

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the new moe girls look like the girls from kiddy girl-and

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>>5971054
What if the gun part was a bluff, but the intent to set the bomb off if nobody solved it wasn't? I mean, there was the whole thing with Beatrice returning "even that which she took" if the epitaph was solved before the ninth twilight, but past then...

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It's all truethat im sucessfully trolling all of you

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>>5971239
Not for too long, Trollkastel, oh no...

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>>5971239
FFFFFFFFFF

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>>5971183
It really feels like Bern is Will and Leon's villain more than Battler's after this ep. Battler never seemed to really give a fuck about her.

even though will and leon are probably dead forever ;_;

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new thread: >>5971353

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>>5970026
>>5969983

Miyo is not a witch.

She is Lambda's random piece, someone Lambda had granted a wish, but Lambda herself isn't present in the Higurashi gameboard.