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[Umineko 7 General No.]

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[Umineko 7 General No.]

Also, Claire fanart is more than welcome.

[Anonymous No.]

LEONARD IS A MIRACLE OF THE UNIVERSE

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953104
>Things spiraled out of control because of Kyrie and Rudolf being jerks. Along with Rosa.

From the way you worded it. It seems you're saying that those 3 triggered the whole scuffle that got Natsuhi and Krauss killed. Is that true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953143
Really, she's the perfect blend between Beato, Virgilia and hot.

[Anonymous No.]

>Kyrie and Rudolf
>good
>Eva
>evil

Well, I suppose that makes this chart outdated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953143

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953158
Eva for Lawful Good.

[Anonymous No.]

So, was the bomb activated or not when the parents found it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953158
If you forget about momentary craziness... Natsuhi is spot on

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953158
>Krauss
>Neutral Stupid

Oh poor Krauss

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953162
<Good>

[Anonymous No.]

so wait, Kinzo set up the bomb, but he died at least one year and two conferences before because of HAPPINESS, why did he set it so it would detonate exactly on that day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953171

I have no idea what Eva is anymore. She's an evil bitch in some episodes, and fucking awesome in others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953200

I think Eva would fit quite well in Lawful Neutral

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>>5953189

Since it's Kinzo I wouldn't put it past him to just randomly input a date.
He sure likes his risk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953189
Because firstly, he knew the date on which the conference occured.

Secondly, he prolly knew he was going to expire until then and he wanted to motivate the others to find the gold faster, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953200
Hideyoshi explained it
Total bitch with her brothers (krauss especially and Natsuhi by extension) and great overprotective mother.

[Baraggan Luisenbarn No.]

Where the fuck is fanart from the Tea Party? There's so much delicious material they can portray.

[Anonymous No.]

What about the letters with the pin codes?
Beatrice, that is Yasu, wrote them, right?
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get how Yasu can be the culprit. Does it have to be someone introduced in the first episode?

[Anonymous No.]

>Was the bomb activated or not when the parents found it?
The bomb was not activated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953207
But that wasn't the first conference he missed due to being dead, Natsuhi covered that up the years before as well. So why skipping a conference? He didn't know Natsuhi was going to cover him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953229

**doesn't it

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953229
Yasu is ShKanon.

[Fa/tg/uy No.]

>>5953203
She'd be Chaotic Good, actually.
Lawful Neutral, oh fuck no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953189
>so wait, Kinzo set up the bomb, but he died at least one year and two conferences before because of HAPPINESS, why did he set it so it would detonate exactly on that day?
The bomb was rigged by Kinzo, but not set. It goes off at midnight when it is set. Eva set it after Natsuhi and Krauss died to make everyone go along with her plan to escape to Kuwadorian and make it look like Natsuhi and Krauss died in an accident.

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5953229
Yasu is the culprit

>thatsthejopke.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953236

So I guess Kyrie and Eva needs to switch places in this:>>5953158 Rosa is quite perfect in Neutral evil so..

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>>5953229

Yasu is Shannon and Kanon, so she/he had always been around. Anyway, it seems that Kyrie and Rudolph are considered the culprits, not Yasu, even though he/she was the one with the big assassination plot.

[Anonymous No.]

Food for thought. Will's thinking.
>Why did you want everyone to acknowledge your existance, Beatrice?
>Because a lie accepted by everyone becomes truth?
>In the exact moment, when the existence of Beatrice is recognized, you can become human?
>Then, the Beatrice before being accepted by everyone is less than human. It's furniture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953236
agreed. Considering how she talks when it comes to money, especially in ep7, she definitely should be chaotic good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953241
finally, that makes sense. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

Actually if Kyrie and Rudolph are such murderous assholes, I wonder what Rudolph was talking about in episode 1 when he said he would die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953284
He was talking about Battler's birth conditions. This was already made clear in EP 5.

[Anonymous No.]

Random question: who killed Nanjo in EP3?

[Anonymous No.]

>(why would she want to become human? was written before this)
>To obtain the requirements.
>Forniture can't *
>So, in order to obtain *'s requirements, they try to become human.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953293
Kyrie

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953241
So the place blows up because of Eva. So much for the Dark Knight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953293
Not stated.
Kyrie, Rudolf and Hideyoshi were dead though, killed each other in a showdown.
Most likely Yasu since the first and last deaths (Shannon and Kanon) of the closed room circle was an "illusion"

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>>5953311
Kyrie was dead at that time, clearly stated.
Hideyoshi killed her.

[Anonymous No.]

So... Rudolf and Kyrie killed all the cousins? How'd they do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953315
How was it an illusion if they were stated to be dead in red.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953332
Oh come on, we got over that.
DID meido, personalities who can die, etc..., it's not a theory anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay. Let me know if I am understanding this wrong or right.

Yasu = the baby thrown off the cliff, raised in an orphanage.
Lyon = the baby when it is not thrown off the cliff, raised as Ushiromiya heir.
Yasu = Lyon = Shannon = Kanon. They are all the same person, or body rather.

So in this ep, how can Yasu and Lyon exist at the same time? I know it was said that Lyon was placed on the gameboard, thus Lyon and Yasu both exist, i.e. Lyon speaking to Shannon blah blah.

How does this work, mystery wise. How can this be explained without lolololmagic.

Also, who is Claire? I know she is Minty Beatrice or whatever, but who is she? What is her relation to all of this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953340
Yeah I know.

It's just too stupid for me to accept right now.

[Anonymous No.]

loli ange

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953361
There is mystery in Leon's gameboard.
And Claire is Bern's version of Beatrice, or rather Bern's version of the mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953373
Meant "There is no mystery in Leon's gameboard"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953361
Claire is a game guide

[Anonymous No.]

>How does this work, mystery wise. How can this be explained without lolololmagic.
this happens in EP7 gameboard, not tea party, so lolololomagic works. Bern's the one responsible for Lion appearing.
It could be a trick like Erika though. So far in Wright interrogation flashbacks, Lion didn't appear even once.

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>>5953313
Not quite. The Dark Knight refers to Eva never allowing Ange to know that Kyrie killed everyone.

What happened with Natsuhi and Krauss was a comedy of errors, partially egged on by (take a wild guess)

Do remember, Ange sees all of what occurs, and the reason she flips out is because she can't believe that Eva was good and her parents were not so good.

[Anonymous No.]

De we know exactly what Battler sin is? Or not yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953386
Either Pony or leaving his family 6 years ago which made Kyrie and Rudolf even crazier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953395
Actually, now that I remember.
Kyrie do mention how she was sorry for "that day" 6 years ago to Battler, it was in episode 4 I think.

I wonder what happened that day, it was also when Battler left his family.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953361
>How does this work, mystery wise. How can this be explained without lolololmagic.
Yasu accepts the name Leon when talking to Kinzo at the end of the episode. I'm not really sure what you're asking, though.

>Also, who is Claire? I know she is Minty Beatrice or whatever, but who is she? What is her relation to all of this shit.
It goes like this. Yasu was a very clumsy maid. She always forgot things and lost them, including her keys. So she blamed "Beatrice" for hiding them from her. The Beatrice she imagined looked like and had the same powers as Gaap. Gaap-Beatrice was her very first friend.

Later on, when Yasu decided she wanted to be a witch, she created Claire and gave her the role of Beatrice, displacing Gaap-Beatrice. (She told Gaap she would give her a new name) She also created Claire to look like the opposite of how she had imagined Gaap. She wanted her to look beautiful and dignified. She kept the idea that Beatrice was afraid of spiderwebs and gave her a weakness for mirrors too, because Yasu hated the sight of her own reflection.

Later on, after she fell in love with Battler and had her heart crushed in the letter scene, Yasu reworked Beatrice to fit Battler's ideal woman, with blonde hair and blue eyes. Beatrice then took Shannon's love for Battler and created Kanon to help her cope and move on. This was the creation of suit-Beatrice. (This is the Beatrice that played with Maria. Maria gave Beatrice's characters their names, like Gaap and Ronove, and in exchange, Beatrice drew Maria's characters for her, like the Siestas.)

Beatrice reached her last stage when the portrait went up. Since she now had a model for how Beatrice was supposed to look, Yasu took that and applied it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953416

And um...we're suppose to find this out in the first 4 games? first 4 games solvable my ass.

[Anonymous No.]

Sin was written in red.
Not contacting your crush isn't a sin.
Disrespecting your parents is a sin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953386
>De we know exactly what Battler sin is? Or not yet?
Battler's sin was making light promises that he forgot easily. It wasn't that he didn't come back on a horse for Shannon. It wasn't breaking the promise. It was completely forgetting about Shannon for three years, to the point where he didn't even write her a letter when everyone else got one.

Shannon admits that it's not his fault, and that she can't blame him. She just says it hurts because she put stock into the promise and her feelings deepened for him while she waited, while his faded. They both started in a mutual stage, they just went in the opposite direction through the years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953436
"Solvable in the first 4 games" doesn't mean we'd be able to find out how exactly everything happened, because then what would the reveal be?
A lot of theories that are now are being proved right in some form were created before ep5,

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953436
Well, people figured the whole Shkanontrice and the pony.

This is only background to make everything fit together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953416
So Yasu is present in 1986, pretending to be Shannon and Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like almost everything is solved. EP8 will be just giving us back stories, deeper motives and the final ending.

Umineko was a fun ride, but I must say the main story and concept suck. All episodes are 90% fiction with no significance at all. All they do for the true story is give us some ShKanontrice hints and explain the Ushiromiya's situation before the typhoon covers Rokkenjima. Everything after that never happened. All the emotions and struggle to survive/save others is just fiction. Fiction inside fiction actually.

I feel a bit betrayed because that means all the riddles and closed rooms are meaningless. Just like all the character development.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there something special about seat order?
Wright asks Maria about the first time she met with Beatrice, and when she says that later she talked about it to Rosa and Kraus (it wasn't family conference, just the two of them), and she was seated next to Rosa, Wright looks like thinking where she was seated is an important detail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953458
I think that is a bit soon to disregard the development.

[Anonymous No.]

The fuck has Ryu done with the Yasu bullshit...

After reading Ep7 I can clearly say that this isn't mistery, THIS IS A FUCKING SHIT, A FUCKING HUGE SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953457
Yasu is sort of hard to explain as a concept unless you actually play the game. There are aspects of both Beatrice and Shannon to her, but the most important part is really Beatrice. Shannon is sort of like her work face, while Beatrice is her true self. (But even that isn't quite right)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953493
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953481
Keep reading, you guess why after he ends his next talk with Jessica.

[ERIKA !!rvelpwMesVU No.]

Am I the only one who is a little frightened of Kyrie now? Even looking at her gun sprites makes me feel a bit nervous.

>>5953458
>Umineko was a fun ride, but I must say the main story and concept suck.

On the other hand, I felt the 'absolute red truth' detective game portion was rather remarkable and terribly interesting, even if it seems like Ryukishi decided to mess that up in favor of the craziness of the past two episodes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953481
It proves there isn't room for Leon.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm inclined to agree with all the hate the story is getting about being shitty and whatnot.

HOWEVER

That doesn't mean reading it wasn't fun as fuck. I've had a blast reading Umineko and I will hate to see it end in December.

[Anonymous No.]

Are we sure that EP8 will be the last one?

[Anonymous No.]

Are the new sprites from episode 7 ripped anywhere?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953489
Even if Battler understood that Yasu loved him and this is his fault, and even if he understood that Kyrie is mostly the culprit, she FUCKING KILLED NATSUHI,EVA,JESSICA, GOHDA AND HIM.

[Anonymous No.]

If this Yasu turns out to be the actual culprit, I'm gonna rage like the fist of the north star.

Or something.

'Cause the culprit's supposed to be introduced at the beginning of the story right? HE'S FUCKING INTRODUCED IN EP5. RYUKISHI, DON'T FUCKING DISAPPOINT ME.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953520
It will be the truth dedicated to Ange.
What can it be other than the last episode?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953525

Wait, she killed Gohda?

THAT BITCH.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953515
Almost all the ones saying IT'S SHIT not even bothered to read it.

It was a good EP.

[Anonymous No.]

So how did nobody notice kanon and shannon being the same person all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953515
>I'm inclined to agree with all the hate the story is getting about being shitty and whatnot.
wat? pretty much all the hate is coming from people reading only the spoilers and going "did meido confirmed? shit sucks" or "fiction? shit sucks".
I've seen a lot more people that were against shkanontrice but after reading it thought it was handled pretty well and the whole EP7 was awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953535
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953527
No, Yasu is presented in EP1.

Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953493
>After reading spoilers I can clearly say that this isn't mistery, THIS IS A FUCKING SHIT, A FUCKING HUGE SHIT
fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953539
Probably will be explained in EP8.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953527
S/he's not really introduced in Ep 5. S/he is Shannon/Kanon as well, so I guess TECHNICALLY the culprit is introduced in Ep 1, and more backstory is given in Ep 5 and 7 (Yasu = Shannon = Kanon)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953539
>So how did nobody notice kanon and shannon being the same person all the time.
Kanon doesn't exist at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953540
I played the game.
The whole DID thing isn't handled badly but it's still a very shitty concept for a mystery, I don't see how anyone could disagree.

The way it was presented wasn't bad, I agree, and episode 7 was better than episode 6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953544
No, the episode...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953558
Yasu dresses like Kanon.
If you try to disagree you didn't understand shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Everything still isn't totally solved. Not sure why people are acting like it is. At the very least, we still don't know why some first twilights were faked right?

Especially ep6 is weird in this regard, we know due to logic error that *Battler* is the one who left the letter behind for Erika...so he was masterminding the fake twilight. Does that not seem weird to anyone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953525

>FUCKING KILLED NATSUHI,EVA,JESSICA, GOHDA AND HIM.

Wat? I think you got it wrong. Eva killed Natsuhi by accident. Rudolf killed Gohda, and Eva didn't die as she killed Kyrie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953561
Mystery genre always was about this kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953582
Apparently Meta-Battler realized he could get away with everything because fiction and didn't want to kill anyone in the family.
What's not to get?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953582
>At the very least, we still don't know why some first twilights were faked right?
There were no first twilights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953582
We know how the first twilight of episode 1-4 worked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953535

It was a very good episode, one of the best if not the best one actually.

However the main story of whole Umineko suck. A person with how many personalities? 5? Closed rooms solved by "personality dieing don't count as person dieing" bullshit. No more than 5% of every episode actually relevant, rest being just a fiction. Etc.

Still, it was very fun to read and entertaining. And characters are awesome. But the main story is really disappointing. Maybe that will somehow change in Ep8.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953589
Bad ones maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953582
Disregard that, in E5 it is very strongly implied that Battler is, in fact, the kid from 19 years ago.
Even before Battler pulls out his theory with him as the culprit, the story ends with

DISCOLOR
*Natsuhi's rant*
"Useless."
"...Battler... kun?"
"It was all useless after all."
"BAWWWWWWWW"

And nothing else is implied regarding the issue of identity of that person. At all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953561
but you cant read japanese
馬鹿

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953606
how could he? Yasu-Shannon obsesses over him, and she's in places he's not. This doesn't work if they're the same person. It doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953601
*cof*Ackroyd*cof*

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953596
>>5953595
I've seen this said a lot. Will solve's the Twilights. I haven't seen these particular spoilers, could anyone please enlighten me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953609
Yeah of course you are the only one who can.
Idiot. I don't need kanji to write this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953606
If you didn't get in EP5 that was Battler bullshit to save Natsuhi, you're idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm inclined to believe that EP7 is trolling on a very subtle level. Well, we'll see what happens in EP8.

recaptcha: sastery concepts

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953543
>>5953552
It's still fucking bull. I mean, come on. A traumatised kid makes up 2 servants and they can SUDDENLY INTERACT WITH ALL THE CHARACTERS ON THE ISLAND.

AND SUDDENLY HE/SHE/IT IS THE CULPRIT?
Seriously, if Ryukishi's gonna make it the culprit, I'm... I'm gonna...
;_________;

At least Higurashi made sense. The culprit's been shown since the beginning of the show.
But Umineko's just... Urgh.

Can't judge Umineko yet. I'll probably love it if Yasu WON'T be the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953648

I'd love to believe this. honestly I do. Bet I doubt it. Then again lets see what Battler has to say in EP8

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953640
Learn to read yourself, I am aware of that.

I am pointing out that this conversation happens just at the end of the game, that is, before the Tea Party, that is, before Battler even presents that theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953655
Yasu is not the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953595
Enlighten us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953655
>At least Higurashi made sense.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953674

[Anonymous No.]

Episode 8 is going to be a GOOD END.

Red text, Gold text, it doesn't mean shit, note well that Will uses WHITE TEXT.

Eva is still going to be a bro, though. The issue of course is "Will Ange, our Ange, get a good end?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953284
I assume he was faking it and he was gonna play dead so no one would suspect him.

[Anonymous No.]

If the answer(Shkanontrice) doesn't make logical sense, of course people are going to reject it. We shouldn't have to wait until next ep to explain how everyone somehow magically ignores it.

If anything, better writing would have been to set up the precedent for it before hand, present a reason why they wouldn't notice Shkannon.

But he didn't do that.

[Anonymous No.]

Yasu is the culprit of the mystery presented in episode 1-4.
But he isn't the culprit of the real murders.

So it depends on what you consider the culprit and what you consider important.
The real murders had no closed rooms, no twilights, just an unfortunate accident and shit hitting the fan in one big clusterfuck.
There is no mastermind, just crazyness.

But what the readers tried to solve, which are the mysteries presented in the fictions that are episode 1 to 4, definitely have a mastermind and a singular culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953595
>>5953596
>>5953593
We know by the red Battler's sealed in the room.
We know by the red that no one died until Erika ran around to the crime scenes and beheaded them.

Isn't that pretty much explicitly coming right out and saying "hey they were faking closed room murders for some reason, and Battler's in on it!" Which, for whatever reason, is vastly different than the FT of games 1-4 which were presumably sibling murderers?

I can't see how you can say "oh it's all fiction again lol" without explicitly contradicting the red in ep6. I also can't see how you can explain this away the same way as the ep1-4 situations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953685
I kinda love how everyone has absolute trust in Will in spite of him almost never using red text. Not criticizing, I do too. Just that people can recognize a true bro when they see one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953655
It could be, just like we were shown Beatrices that don't exists, that Kanon and Shannon's actual sprites are different than the ones we see, and more similar to each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953689
Everything about ShKanontrice has been explained in episode 7.
No need to focus another episode on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953284

Actually, what happened to what Rudolf had to say that could get him killed? Kyrie's plan? That doesn't make a ton of sense though, since he seemed to go along with it happily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953691

Yeah, the closed rooms still happened, even if the murders occurred elsewhere. Besides, wasn't the point of the fantasy scenes and Gaap to show that maybe closed rooms could be set up after the fact?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953703

No it fucking hasn't. It doesn't explain how it actually works, which is the most important thing. This is why people hate Shkanontricefags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953715
No, there was no closed rooms in the real event.
No twilight, no stake.

>>5953710
Kyrie had no plan.
Her and Rudolf just went with the flow when they found the gold and shit happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953710

Nothing has been relvealed about what rudolf wanted to say. Although its most likely about battler's birthriht

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953731
They explained how it works.

[Anonymous No.]

Could someone post how Will solves the twilights in 1 - 4?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953733
Like crap. Does ep7 explicitly state this? We clearly see red about closed rooms and we see Battler (who is the detective in 1-4) find the stakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953689
You don't get that in EP7, R07 somehow managed to stuff Shkanontrice in a good way?

That's why a lot of people stopped the EP6 rage about this whole thing and liked the EP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953748
We see how every murders happen in the real events.
So yes episode 7 is very explicit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953733 no stake
hahaha I completely forgot about them.

So Yasu waits until people kill each other and then sticks a stake into them.


It sounds funny to imagine, for some reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953758
Oh and Bern confirms in red THIS IS THE TRUTH

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953758

Ok, first off, how do you know the gameboard in the ep7 tea party is the real one? As far as I've heard, the only thing that's stated is that Bern is not the GM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953748

Episode 7 showed the truth of Ange's past, and, no, it doesn't match any of the "games" that we've seen before, even if the ending resembles episode 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953766
...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953765
Oh yeah.
Ange found a stake, right?
So it's possible that Yasu survived the whole Kyrie apocalypse and decided to try to send everyone to the golden land to save them by completing the epitaph and staking the corpses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953748
Prepare yourself for the trolling of your life, this is just the beginning, bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953769
It is explained that Bern is not the GM because there is no GM; this is reality. Bern isn't doing anything. It is simply reality without Beatrice's love and magic covering it up; she used Will to kill it beforehand. She confirms it is the truth in red.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953786
Was not aware it was said in red.

Disregard all my previous complaints, I suck cocks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953786 there is no GM

Didn't she just say in the end that "I am not the GM though and I guess it should be obvious who is."?

[Anonymous No.]

Question: people keep saying it's unclear whether or not Leon is male or female, but isn't it logical to think that Leon would be male?

If I'm understanding right, Leon is what the baby of 19 years ago would be had Natsuhi kept it. And in Ep5, she is contacted by a man claiming to be the baby from that time. She started to believe it really was that child, but wouldn't she have disregarded it if it had been a female, then? I mean, even if it was only a couple of days, she would have known the child's gender...

So since the one who contacted Natsuhi was male, shouldn't that mean that Leon would be male, too? I'm probably missing something here, since this doesn't seem so small as to be overlooked for these past couple of days...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953801
No. It is explained right out that there is no GM because this is the truth.

What happens is that Leon keeps begging Bern to stop the horrible scenes because he still assumes Bern is the game master. Bern simply enjoys trolling Leon and Ange by prodding them to guess what it could mean if she's not GM before it is revealed.

[Anonymous No.]

Now I know why we never saw Shannon's cleavage in the official artworks of Umineko

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953805
Not to mention that in EP6, Kanon and Shannon mention that wish their "Father" had killed them as soon as he had given birth to them. So yeah...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953805
Will outright asks Leon his gender and Leon refuses to answer, then Will agrees that it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953786
HAHAHAHA

AND HACHIJOU/ASUMU SOMEHOW KNOWS THAT KYRIE GAVE THEM THE HEADSHIP TEST WHICH THEY ACTUALLY DID

GEE, GEE, RUDOLF, YOU SMOOTH MOHTERFUCKER.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953822
Hachijou is not Asumu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953822

U MAAAAD?

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5953766
>Kyrie and Rudolf going on a murder spree
>Truth

Hahahahahahahaha, Enjoy your lies and decit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953842
Again, only people that haven't read it could possibly say that. It was crystal clear that it was the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

So, if the information I gathered from various posts is correct, the real murders were just like any other normal murder (i.e. the culprit doesn't try to create logic puzzles and whatnot).

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953842

It was in red. How do you go over that? and she wasn't the GM so you can't say this was her fucking around as much as i'd like that to be the case

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953853
Yes.

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5953849
Yeah, it would be the truth if it was possible for them to commit the murders. Too bad such a feat is impossible in episode 1.

I love how people treat Chiru like it's an answer arc. It's very entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

Only mystery left:
Battler's birth
What Rudolf wanted to say in episode 1

Only parents that didn't have a backstory
Rudolf and Kyrie

WOW I WONDER WHAT THE LAST EPISODE WILL BE ABOUT

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953870
Episode 1 was a fiction bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953870
>He thinks EP1 is the truth
>laughinggirls.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953870
>Too bad such a feat is impossible in episode 1.
oh god shit is hilarious

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5953880
>He thinks you can't solve it from Ep 1-4 alone!
>laughingwitches.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953870
The stupid things you say are very entertaining too.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, so, reality they were just normal murders.

...so does that mean the Battler that became meta-Battler/GM-Battler is a piece from a false Kakera all along?

...gat dangit bobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953861

Red often is limited to only a single game. "This is the truth" might mean just the truth of a random world that Bernkastel showed. She never confirmed that it was the truth of Ange's world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953871

I'm hoping to god Ryukishi makes EP8 focusing on Kyrie & Rudolf. Fuck you Ryukishi you better give both a backstory espescially after the shit you pulled in EP7!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953862
Still... Rudolf and Kyrie are suspicious just because they are far less developed than other characters. I mean, R07 goes on and on and on about Shannon, Kanon, George, Rosa/Maria, Krauss/Natsuhi/Jessica, etc. We are left with obviously side characters (Nanjo and the other servants) and some vague hints on how Rudolf and Kyrie are up to no good.

By the way, was the thing about Kumasawa's searches around the island ever explained?

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5953886
Oh? Do you need me to explain it? Are you so dense you can't figure it out for yourself? Or is it too much of a bother to think for yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953891
>implying I ever said that

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953897
I think it's pretty much a shoe-in at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953895
>"This is the truth" might mean just the truth of a random world that Bernkastel showed.
Bernkastel didn't show shit. She was not up on stage. She was watching everything from the audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953805
I don't know what the original text was, so it could be Witch Hunt just chose "a man" without knowing it would become an issue. In EP7, everyone accurately avoids pinpointing Lion's gender. No gender-specific pronouns are ever used, and, as someone was saying, he doesn't answer the question himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>"This is the truth" might mean just the truth of a random world that Bernkastel showed.

It's not. Bern had nothing to do with the portrayal of these events. She was simply showing them to Ange and Leon after using Will to destroy Beatrice's illusion of love over them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953895

I really hope this is true. I mean, crap, stakes, letters, and closed rooms were what was creating the illusion of the witch in the first place. I hope it's not all completely pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

I still want to see everything being the product of Gohda tripping on acid after somehow ending up on Rokkenjima after he was fired from his job at the hotel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953908

Whatever. My point is that it was never stated in red that it was the truth about that Ange's past. Even if the previous episodes are just fiction, they were magically watching reality there. So, in that level of meta, multiple worlds did exist and it was never confirmed undoubtedly that the one world that they saw was the same world from where Ange came from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953909
no, in jap is 十九年前の男, the man from 19 years ago, something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953891
Yeah, you didn't understand shit.
Nobody is magically watching anything.
Meta-world is fiction as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953905

Well I don't know. I don't want to put my hopes up and think he'll do it for certain but really i'm hoping to god that he will focus and both Kyrie and Rudolf for EP8

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953921
>My point is that it was never stated in red that it was the truth about that Ange's past.
Except it was. Sorry bro.

[Anonymous No.]

So how did nobody notice kanon and shannon being the same person all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953946
S/he is very good at acting

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953931

You missed my point.

Meta world is fiction. However, in that fiction, there were multiple worlds.

Ange was magically watching past events, so, those characters were in that meta/fiction level where magic and multiple worlds exist.

Yet, It was never confirmed that the world that they watched there was the worlds from where Ange came from, even though, in that level of fiction, the existence of multiple worlds isn't debatable. Yet, they never confirmed that the world that they were watching was actually Ange's world, they just said that it was "the truth".

That red text could have easily been used for any of the previous, even if fictional, worlds, considering how red text often was used for the events of those worlds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953946
Retards abound. My only complain is Jessica, I mean, come on, best friend of Shannon and all. Taht's pushing it a bit too far.

[Anonymous No.]

Now I have no reason to use this

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953946
We did notice. But we thought that either Shannon was Kanon or Kanon was Shannon.

We didn't think BOTH of them would be fake!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953946
using makeup/wigs when Yasu stops being Yasu and lets the other delusion personalities surface?
They wouldn't be consciously aware they were just personalities, so they would be perfectly believable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953955
Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were all in on it and had reasons to support Shkanon in doing whatever the fuck they wanted, so that probably helped.

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5953931

The whole thing is fiction you dolt. But that's the point. It's a detective novel. A mystery. A mystery novel is a game, a challenge between the author and the reader to see who can solve it first. The moment you hit the first word is the moment the game begins. It's not a mystery novel if it's unsolvable until the end. It's always been a game between the Author and the Reader. That's what the heart of it has always been.

The way you talk about it, it's almost like you're reading a thriller novel, disregarding everything that happened prior as if it was a ghost story used to introduce you to the thriller portion.

I'll say it as many times as I need to. It's impossible for Rudolf and Kyrie alone to be the culprits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953963
Even then, I mean I agree, but it's still not satisfying.
I'd like to think she knew something and that's why she started to go out with Kanon, to heal him a bit and help him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953946
This was explained, though indirectly.

First of all, it's emphasized repeatedly that the servants have a very high turnover rate. Leon has trouble even keeping their names straight. So, basically, the people that live in the house don't really pay attention to individual Fukuin servants, except for Shannon because she's so unusual due to her age.

Genji and Kumasawa, on the other hand, know everything about Yasu's past, and have reason to go along with what she does, especially since there's only a year at most between Kanon being created and her finding the gold.

So it's a combination of people not caring and people having a reason to hide them.

[Anonymous No.]

So just a question here. I already know that Virgilia = Kumasawa. But doesn't that mean that Bronove = Genji? Aren't we missing something here? If Ronove is really Genji, Genji's trolling us with his calm, collected, quiet persona.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953969
Rudolf and Kyrie aren't the culprits of the fiction.
BUT they are the culprits of the real event.
Clear enough for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953992
That would make every previous episode completely pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953990
they are just the delusions of Maria and Yasu-Beatrice anyways, Genji was the basis but then they're free to build the character how they like.
They probably thought "Genji is always calm and collected, that's suspicious!" and made up the mysterious Ronove from that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5953969
>But that's the point. It's a detective novel. A mystery. A mystery novel is a game, a challenge between the author and the reader to see who can solve it first.
And you completely mistook what you were supposed to solve. The mystery wasn't the murders, the mystery was Beatrice.

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5953992
Except that the "fiction" is based on the truth of the event. If they were the culprits in the truth, it would be mirrored in the "fiction"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954004
Not really.
Beatrice willingly became a scapegoat to hide the real truth.
She painted herself a murderer to hide the fact that Kyrie and Rudolf killed mostly everyone.
The fictions were always about understanding Beatrice's heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954012
So Bronove is just misleading us? Man... I was really hoping his character would be much more epic than that in the end. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954004
The previous episodes were meant to guide Battler to the truth. Instead of thinking of them as clues to the culprit, think of them as characterization and clues for Beatrice's motives and what she's trying to do. She's covering up something absolutely horrible with illusions of love. What could it be? Why?

I agree there weren't super strong clues about Kyrie and Rudolf being the true killers, but there were enough when compared to everyone else, especially Kyrie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954021
No it wouldn't.
What was mirrored in the fiction was Beatrice's heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954024
No.

Ryukishi said Umineko was solvable from episode 4. That includes the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954035
>>5954021
A lot of people had guessed Kyrie was a crazy evil bitch based on her characterization from the first four episodes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954035
Episode 1 and 4 are solvable, yeah.
The fictions are solvable.
But what happened in the real event is the product of an accident who went out of control, it's not something that was supposed to be solvable

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954035
It was solvable. EP4 was basically a gigantic "this is all fictional" blinking neon sign, in retrospect. Battler, who is the detective, meets Beatrice who talks about the gameboard? Yeah, the entire thing is fictional and that was the key scene to the entire series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954036
What about Rudolf being trigger happy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954061
Hey yeah boy, I like westerns and duels and was the first person to see Rosa in ep3 after you all hear several shoots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954061
>What about Rudolf being trigger happy?
Rudolf wasn't trigger happy. He felt guilty and didn't really want to kill George, but Kyrie set things up in such a way that he would be just as guilty as murder as she was. So if he got cold feet, he still couldn't back out without ruining himself too.

[Anonymous No.]

Who kills Battler? Rudolf or Kyrie?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still convinced that while Beatrice does cover up what really happens, the actual culprit is different in every episode. Ep 4 culprit was Kyrie/Rudolph, and we got Ange/Eva surviving like Ep7 shows us.
But then again, they say that pretty much every parent had their motives and was capable enough to become killers. So what if what Battler sees in Ep3 is actually truth, and possibly Rosa or Krauss killed everyone in EP1-2?
The point is that the whole Ushiromiya family is a fucking trainwreck, so it doesn't make sense for "innocent" and "guilty" people to exist. BEatrice is cover up that reality for Battler.

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5954036
Except Kyrie and Rudolf couldn't have killed anyone in episode 1 without another accomplice. And even if they did have another accomplice, it's still highly unlikely. Here's why:

We know with 100% certainty that 5 people were present in the Shed after the first twilight: Gohda, Rosa, Krauss, Rudolf and Kyrie. We know from the red text in episode 4, that the "bodies" present in the shed had their identities confirmed. So regardless of their life or death status, Gohda, Rosa, Krauss, Rudolf and Kyrie were in the shed after the first twilight, and those were the 5 people who Battler saw. We also know that Battler's point of view is always reliable in episode 1. Now, lets say that all 5 are alive in the shed, or at least Kyrie and Rudolf are. Either way, it won't matter, because after the surviving family members view the bodies and close the shed door; they lock it from the outside. Battler sees George lock the shed, and unless I'm mistaken, the text even confirms that he hears it lock. The shed becomes a locked room, meaning that all 5 persons in the shed have no way to leave the shed without the intervention of someone from the outside. It is impossible for Rudolf or Kyrie to have committed the murders of the second twilight without someone sneaking out to the shed to open it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954079
>He felt guilty and didn't really want to kill George

haha wat? wasn't he enjoying killing the guy? don't go making the guy look all innocent while making kyrie look like she's the only one in the bad.

Why did he allow his son getting murdered if he didn't want to go through with it? please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954084

Kyrie did although Rudolf knows this so..

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954096
Kyrie and Rudolf aren't the culprits of the fictions, how many times do I have to repeat myself?

Kyrie and Rudolf didn't come with a plan or something.
The fact that they all found the gold triggered the whole shitstorm, they didn't plan to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

I love how EP3 hinted already all of this Yasu stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954097
>wasn't he enjoying killing the guy?
He wasn't. He was apologetic.

>Why did he allow his son getting murdered if he didn't want to go through with it?
He didn't want Battler to die. He was going to try to convince him to go along with it. Kyrie insisted that they kill Battler if Battler didn't agree, though.

[Anonymous No.]

spoiler:
everyone is in on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954106
We weren't shown how Battler and Maria died, right?
MAYBE, there's hope they didn't die at all like Eva.

I WANT TO BELIEVE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954120
Maria's jaw leaves little hope for Maria.

[Anonymous No.]

So how did nobody notice kanon and shannon being the same person all the time.

and please no

"everybody's a retard"

"nobody noticed him because he's that good at pretending to be two seperate people at once"

that's really breaking the limit of suspending disbelief

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954124
This has already been explained in this very thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954124
Rosa suspected them, if EP2 counts despite being fiction

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954120

We see Kyrie shoot Battler to death so I doubt he's alive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954124
High servant turnover rate means Natsuhi and Krauss don't care. Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were all in on it and supported the illusion.

Jessica is weird but hey, someone has to be a little retarded.

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5954110
God, you are an idiot.
Fiction or non-fiction
Fantasy or mystery
Anti-fantasy or anti-mystery
Particle or wave
Alive or dead

The life or death status of the cat does not change the fact that there is a cat in the box. Fiction or reality does not change the fact that the culprit must remain the culprit throughout.

Would a fictional account of Lincoln's murder make Booth an innocent bystander? They could, but it would be fucking stupid, and no author would do such a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954131

Wait, what? She suspected them to be the same person? What scene?

[Anonymous No.]

>Ryukishi said Umineko was solvable from episode 4.


That never happend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954114

And like I said. He's ok with his son getting killed or let me rephrase possibly getting killed? doesn't make it better to be honest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954132
THAT BITCH

Well, I'm left in despair once again. Nevertheless, thanks for confirming that, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954124
if you consider having imaginary friends means subconsciusly changing the tone of your voice, way of speaking, and possibly wear make up and wigs or something, why not?

[Anonymous No.]

Slowpoke here. I just got to the scene where MARIA and Will are talking about Mariage Sorciere or some shit. How far into the novel am I?

Otherwise, I'm really enjoying EP7 so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954135
>Jessica is weird but hey, someone has to be a little retarded.
Jessica and Shannon were only close on the rare days that Natsuhi wasn't around. We also see that Jessica likes to laugh and play with the other female servants too.

She and Shannon only reached their current closeness after Kanon was created.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954136
Except that Will explain how every episodes take place in episode 7.
Yasu is without a doubt the main culprit.
But when the parents find the gold, there is a "baton pass" and Kyrie/Rudolf become the culprit.

And in the real event, this is what happened.

[Anonymous No.]

For those saying that Umineko was solvable from 1-4 alone, you are wrong. Ryukishi stated clearly in one of his interviews (link is in a previous thread, I don't have it on hand unfortunately) that it is solvable AT THE POINT IN EPISODE 5 WHERE BATTLER SAYS "And then...I...knew..." AT THIS TIME is when we have all the clues to begin solving the mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954158
But when Rosa and Eva find the gold, how could theu be the culprits, if they don't even know the gold is found? I still think in each 1-4 episode, the actual killer is a different parent pair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954131
Jessica's death. Accuses Kanon while giving Shannon dead glares (if DEEN is anything reliable, that's it).
She doubts all the servants, to be honest.

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5954158
>Yasu is without a doubt the main culprit
>But when the parents find the gold, there is a "baton pass" and Kyrie/Rudolf become the culprit

>There is no logical reason for the baton pass other than HURRRRR GOLD

You do know that "Yasu is the culprit" is a joke right?

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, another question here. If the events in tea party are reality, then why does any of this matter anymore?

ESPECIALLY because the Battler we know is from a fiction. How is he going to change anything since he's just a worthless piece from a fake Kakera anyways? Who cares if this fake Battler knows what happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954158
Except the "That Maid isn't the culprit" is said in red by himself too. ShkYasutrice can be an accomplice the best, but not the mastermind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954193
Will isn't talking about Shannon. It's a different maid in a different story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954180
Yeah I know
Call her/him ShKanontrice if you want.
Anyways Will go over every closed rooms, there is no room for discussion

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5954162
Actually, that was his way of saying, "Hey guys, you should be able to solve this by now"

Theoretically, it should be possible to solve it by the end of the first game. Knox's first was here, Yasu can't be the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, at least the anti-fictionfags got told. You don't even see them around anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954193
God, if you didn't play episode 7 shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954130
>This has already been explained in this very thread.

Not at all, except by suspending common sense completely.

>>5954135
>High servant turnover rate means Natsuhi and Krauss don't care.

About noticing "two" longtime servants?

It's as believable as nobody realizing who Clark Kent really is just because of the glasses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954202
if we go by "all is fiction" theories, red truth is pointless and so are Knox/Dine rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954187
I think people are a little fast to write off the meta-world in as fiction the same way as the episodes, honestly. Meta is a space for the personification of concepts, and there's deliberate ambiguity in the "is Hachijo Featherine or is Featherine Hachijo" question.

I'm also hoping, perhaps futilely, that Will's dogged insistence on fighting for a happy end during his last stand might be honored and not just another tragic gutpunch about he and Leon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954202
>Yasu can't be the culprit

I'm with you on this. I'm not 100% on any of this Yasu = Shannon = Kanon = Leon = ??? stuff and won't be until I read it all for myself. Damn you Witch Hunt.

[Da ★ Ze !MaRIsaDqf. No.]

>>5954214
You know, I have to admit, at least Rudolf and Kyrie suddenly deciding to turn everyone into swiss cheese makes more sense than Yashkannontrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954221

Once again. No dine. In other words it is to starve.
Starve while demanding the fair, and die.

Witch in gold, Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954252

No dine. No Knox. No fair. In other words it is not mystery.
But it happens. All it happens. Let it happens.

(sorry, I mixed up the order)

[Anonymous No.]

I will say it again.
Episode 1-2, Yasu or ShKanontrice if you guys want is the culprit.
It's not a theory or whatever, it's explained, without a fucking doubt.

Episode 3 is half, some murders are done by Yasu, others are done by Kyrie and Rudolf.

Most of episode 4 is also a mix

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954221
Red truth and Knox/Dine rules are important. Just in a different way than most people assumed. There was a bigger mystery lying behind the initial mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

FUCKING DAMN IT. I'M GAY FOR LEON. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU MALE

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I was reading through the Animesuki EP7 thread (yeah, I know), and someone mentioned that Kyrie said a lot of bad things about Ange.

Is this true? What exactly does she say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954274

Leon's gender isn't confirmed. Probably male, but think what you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954303
Lots of them. And animesuki is basically WH forums and the best place for the well-done spoilers.
For example 'never once I thought she was cute'

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954303
Shitty brat, she doesn't care about her, children are just born out of sleeping together so she doesn't feel any attachment to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954303
Kyrie never cared or loved Ange, she calls Ange a shitty brat, she only had Ange to make sure Rudolf married her.

[Anonymous No.]

pic not related ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954325
>>5954326
>>5954331

Oh man... and I guess it has a to be true, considering Dlanor's "pieces will never act in ways which they couldn't" tidbit.

Kyrie, I am disappoint.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it true that Ange was going bezerk when she was seeing this in the Tea party?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954214
>About noticing "two" longtime servants?
Kanon's stay was average. Shannon is the only one with a long stay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954350
Ange starts screaming and sobbing and basically loses her mind.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the Ep4 Teleport to Kuwadorian explained?

[Anonymous No.]

So, if I got this right, can anyone confirm, correct me?
The one Maria talked with was Beatrice the elder, and Beatrice the younger was the one created to fit Battler's tastes. Where does Yasu becoming Beatrice after solving the epitaph fit? Is she the same as Beatrice the younger? Another one completely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954370
well, they were NEVER kidnapped, so you don't have to explain shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954360

This is freaking sad to be honest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954360
Looks like Bern is still the cruelest. She may even have beat Lambda by now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954360
Things are absolutely terrible for Ange. I really hope she gets the good end she deserves in episode 8.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954382
>The one Maria talked with was Beatrice the elder, and Beatrice the younger was the one created to fit Battler's tastes.
Beatrice the older was basically Beatrice with everything but love for Battler. Younger Beatrice was just love for Battler. They were mixed differently in reality, but the end result is Beatrice as we know and love her.

Yasu is her own person. Clumsy both physically and in making friends, naive, imaginative, and loves mystery novels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954399

Bern has always been the crueliest Bitch. Lambda doesn't even compare

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954399
>>5954399
>>5954399
>>5954399
YOU
ARE
GOING
DOWN

MARK MY WORDS YOU TAILED BITCH

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954360

What does she say? dear god Bern is a bitch making Ange see that

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954399
>beat Lambda
Lambda isn't cruel.

She just wants to show off to Bern.I think she is the true neutral here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954417
Well, Lambda did create this whole situation by tempting Yasu. She created a tragedy again to play with Bern.

It looks like Lambda truly did have an absolute hold on Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954420
PROBLEM, BATTLEEEEEEEEEEEEEER????

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954431
Ange:"IT'S A LIE!IT'S A LIE!IT'S A LIE!IT'S A LIE!IT'S A LIE!IT'S A LIE!IT'S A LIE!IT'S A LIE!IT'S A LIE!IT'S A LIE! STOP THIS! THIS ISN'T TRUE! MOTHER LOVED ME!"

Bern:"Oh you don;t believe me?Very well then I will say it in red (red)Everything shown here is true(red)."

Ange got breakdown here screaming and spasming.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand why everyone is arguing about what "really happened".

Four different fucking stories "really happened" in four different fucking universes. This is the truth of Ange's world. Our Ange was born from the future of EP3. This is the truth of EP3. It's not that hard.

This doesn't mean that the other three realities were pointless - because that would make THE ENTIRE STORY pointless. Why does everyone only care about the truth of one episode? There is a true culprit, and it's (very likely) not Kyrie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954431

[Anonymous No.]

Who wanna bet shit like this is going to happen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954501
>Four different fucking stories "really happened" in four different fucking universes.
No, this episode outright says that the terms Kakera, stories, and games are interchangeable. They're all fiction. What Ange was shown was the truth of Rokkenjima, what actually happened. Not on the gameboard, but in reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954501
Oh boy another retard.

Umineko =/= Higurashi

In Umineko every EP so far is pure fiction made up to hide the truth.There are no different universes.
There is only one reality and one truth(what really happened on Rokkenjima).
We are going to see this in EP8.
Every fiction have hints and clues,though.

In Higurashi you had co existing dimensions, and every one of them was real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954514
I don't really see how that's possible. If something like that happens, Bern could have never existed, and Higurashi would have never been solved. (Considering Hanyuu is supernatural/magical)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954520

Who cares about fiction? The entire meta-world is fiction, this entire damn novel is fiction. Yet, we still find ourselves caring about Meta-Battler and the witches more than the gameboards. This doesn't mean there's still not a solvable answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954540
So we've seen the truth of the reality on the island. I don't really understand what else we're supposed to solve. I suppose there's still Battler's sin, but when it comes down to it, only Ange is left alive. How is it possible for her to get a good ending?

[Anonymous No.]

If what Bern showed was the truth (Or one truth whatever), why you can't execute anyone in the Tips? (Except Kinzo which becomes Archer).

Also "Who is Erika?"

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't this mean people who were just reading and not thinking because nothing seemed reliable were right all along?
First R07 disses stop thinking readers, then he puts them in a position of having been the ones right all along? Shit sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

so R07's idea of a bittersweet end will be battler showing ange that eva is a bro?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954541
Higurashi(1983) was BEFORE Umineko(1986).
If Ryu wants to end "When they cry" Bern is going down.

In Higurashi Lambda is the GM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5954565
No. Those that thought about it pretty much figured everything out. It was a combination of Pony Theory and Shkanontrice.

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>>5954514
I prefer this.

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>>5954512
/r/ing a translation of that panel.

[Queen Kittan !!Ps4Ee8IY7tA No.]

>>5954569

Actually it was Featherine/Hanyuu.

The whole game had her trapped in some kind of logic error which is why she kept bringing Rika back.

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>>5954625
Ange's scream paints/decorates the red truth of Bern.

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Can someone summarize in one post, everything that's been confirmed and everything new we learned from Ep 7?

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I want Leon to be female.

Perfect girl.

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>>5954625
Ange's scream was because of the red truth Bern painted.

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>>5954668
if leon = yasu, then does this make beatrice a man? assuming leon is male

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>>5954625
And Ange is just screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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>>5954692
We don't know what gender Leon is. It doesn't really matter. Will agreed, stop bothering him about it.

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>>5954667

-Eva and Hideyoshi are the best parents

-Rudolf and Kyrie are the worst parents (batshit,greedy motherfuckers)

-in the real event Kyrie and Rudolf kill all the children

-there is bomb on the island which is set up as the meeting starts, It can be deffused.

-Shkannontrice confirmed.

-Battler's sin was forgetting about Shkannotrice.

-Will and Leon die at the end, mauled by Bern.

-Battler kicks in and says he is going to show the final truth.

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>>5954667
too much work. EP7 subverted a lot of things and is pretty atypical.

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>>5954667
too much work. EP7 subverted a lot of things and is pretty atypical, people have been discussing shit even after finishing the game for 15 or threads.

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So there IS going to be an Ep 8? I could have sworn this was the final episode.

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>>5954748

the ??? Heavily suggests a EP8

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We'll be needing a new thread since this one is autosaging

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OP here.

(making these threads sure is fun): >>5954812