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[Anonymous No.]

This thread is for people with love who
Can see the true mastermind in Umineko
All hail the Demon King

[&ponpo( ﾟдﾟ) ・・・ No.]

Looks like Gendo.

[Anonymous No.]

A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit. This is begging a noble question. It is a too easy solution. The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person — one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

VAN DINE RULES WERE IN EFFECT ALL ALONG SHKANNON CANNOT BE THE CULPRIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922542
You're welcome, anonymous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922542
Except, in Umineko, the servants are shown in a good light and the family members are treated like evil trash. Therefore, by your own logic, a servant must be the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't give a fuck about love and shit.
But I think George is the culprit. At least in most of the episodes.

Look at how fat he is, there is no way a person that fat can't be the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922560
the game hasn't even be released yet, but fuck yes you are the best character in this series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922542
The Beatrice personality isn't a servant, you dolt, so Van Dine can't deny the possibility of her being the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

Where are my umineko ep 7 spoilers?! WHERE?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922811
Just wait a day or two and you will have them

[Anonymous No.]

>>5921193
can someone post more screencaps that show how suspicious George is

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922824
I don't see how giving a speech about Takeda Shingen makes him suspicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922855
I think it's implying that he sent out his "soldier" [spoilers]Shkanontrice[/spoilers] and gave them a "medal." [spoilers]Perhaps a ring, actually.[/spoilers]

Did that scene take place after some of the murders of EP2? Since in that case, it sort of makes a little bit of sense, but it's always been shown that George gives Shannon the ring before any murders happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922855
He's implying that he gave his soldier, Shkanontrice a "medal" or a ring.

But that always happens before the murders...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922931
George likes to bully Shannon for some reason and i dont have that screencaps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922824
But wasn't his father like some huge Sengoku nerd?
He might not be all that knowledgeable over all but it wouldn't be strange for him to have heard stories about the generals repeatedly ever since childhood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922931
But if he's commiting the murders for Shannon and Shannon dies at the beginning of ep3 doesn't that mean that Beato is manipulating George the whole time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922963
Speaking of which, is it Genji and Hideyoshi's turn to be awesome?

[Anonymous No.]

George knew Maria had the scorpion charms

[Anonymous No.]

George has also worked for Okonogi

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922970
Shannon fake her death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5922998
>George learned how to "make tea" to people

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923000
"6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa are dead!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923010
When was this stated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923017
its one of the first things Beatrice states about the 1st twilight in EP 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923017
Episode 3
The 6 closed rooms scene
It is the first statement in red that Beatrice makes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923024
>>5923026
I mean how long after the discovery, and who were the first people in the room?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923035
The red statements started in the meta-world as soon as the adults went back to the guesthouse to tell everyone what they had discovered, in the morning of the second day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923043
Possibly meaning that shannon could have been faking then one of the adults actually killed her when they "discovered" the room?

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

EP3 1st twilight is one of the easiest puzzles to solve. Two solutions even:

a) It was pretend play. 'Erika of EP3' went around and re-killed them, she had a master key and key to the first room. In last room she let in a wolf who killed her, closed room with her master key and pretended to find it next to the body later.

b) Same as above without pretend play stuff, Erika = culprit, wolf - another faction member.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923077

[Anonymous No.]

Thinking of fat George makes me wanna post this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923121
let us repeat JOJI IS FAT
JOJI IS FAT
JOJI IS FAT
JOJI IS FAT
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[Anonymous No.]

>>5923121
Forgot my pic because of captcha

[Anonymous No.]

>Shannon is discovered in the parlor, the most visible room, and the most likely place to visit first.
>Kanon is discovered in the chapel, far away from the rest of the corpses and the most likely place to visit last.
See, where I'm going?

[Anonymous No.]

>Meanwhile, in Witch-Hunt...

[Anonymous No.]

SOMEONE LIED IN EP3, JOJI COULDN'T HAVE FIT THROUGH THAT WINDOW! AND SUM1 MUST HAVE HEARD HIS FAT ASS LAND.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923084
Why does it have to be pretend play, or include an Erika, at all? Episode 3 was the 6 circle "closed rooms" where at least 1 of them was not at all a closed room.

The boiler room has the back door that is never locked.

[Anonymous No.]

FUCKING SHIT JOJI IS CULPRIT CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TOOKEN 7 BULLETS OR 7 STAKES TO KILL HIS FAT ASS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923145
Not to mention that, since it requires time to move from room to room, people can manipulate the scenes while the adults are still investigating.

[Anonymous No.]

EP3 People who died in the mansion excluding servants and Kinzo (1st twilight, ruled out): Joji, Kyrie, Rudolph, Hideyoshi, Nanjo. Possibly Krauss and Natsuhi. What kind of deathmatch happened there?

[Anonymous No.]

>All hail the FAT FAT FAT King

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923183
Beato kills Hideyoshi, Kyrie and Rudolf while they are too busy trying to make Hideyoshi confess, then gets Krauss and Natsuhi out of the guesthouse and killed them, then she contacts George pretending that she is Shannon and kills him in the mansion, then she kills Nanjo, then suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923246
>my face when people still think Beato is a real person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923077
>>5923127
>>5923091

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923503
see >>5922802

Oh, and the culprit is Shannon, who also happens to be Kanon, Beatrice, Kinzo and the man from 19 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

George and his parents are the first ones you're introduced to after Battler.

Confirmed for culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

Joji is the culprit.

Shkannon and Nanjo are accomplice.

Umineko solve

[Anonymous No.]

you guys shouldn't ignore this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923798
wasn't she talking about the toys?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923811
she was

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923811
Maaaybe.
Anyway, Rosa is a confirmed victim of at least one first twilight, so I don't think she is the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923828

Joke post?

Everyone was. Except Nanjo. And he can't be the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923860
Rosa, Jessica, George, Battler and Maria all have not died in first twilight. Unless you count Erika's killings in which case only Jessica, George and Battler haven't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923872

So you skipped game 5?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923872
Rosa died in the first twilight of the first episode

[Anonymous No.]

Nanjo, George, Jessica, Battler and Maria never have died in the first twilight. Also Sayo, if you believe in Shkanontrice.
>>5923872
Rosa died in the first twilight in ep1

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923878
It seems you did, because you would know that they weren't really dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923881
Let me rephrase, there's no red proof Rosa died.

All parents except Rosa: confirmed in episode 2 to be dead in chapel.
All servants: confirmed dead in episode 3

Nanjo: never dies in first twilight
Battler: never dies in first twilight
George: never dies in first twilight
Jessica: never dies in first twilight

Maria: dies in first twilight only in episode 6 via Erika
Rosa: dies in first twilight only in episode 6 via Erika

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923887

red/ After x's death, his/her corpse was never moved!

You telling me the red can do trickery like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923893
There is a red proof that she died.
"Regarding the unidentified corpses, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist! "

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923898
At the time that the first twilight was discovered they were not DEAD.
That red truth came a lot later at the end of the game so it could even be referring to their death caused by the BOMB.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923904
And what if Rosa was there but she wasn't a corpse?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923898
You really haven't read episode 5 have you?

[Anonymous No.]

I like how people are completely ignoring that George admitted that he was willing to kill everyone on the island except himself and Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923945
Red herring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923945
We don't ignore it, we take it with a pinch of salt.
If you take that at face value it's like George himself is confessing his status as the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

While I still wish for Kyrie to be the culprit, this seems reasonable.
I've came to think about fusiontrice formed by all of the cousins (with the exception of Battler)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923958
>While I still wish for Kyrie to be the culprit
What a shitty culprit who dies twice at the very beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923953
It was brushed off as something heroic. The red herring is that it's written in such way that no one would linger on it because it's a magic scene.

[Anonymous No.]

See, I'm still worried about how Jessica and Shannon are playing a game of pretend with each other.

Everything else is secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923977
lol lesbians XD

[Anonymous No.]

Could we take in consideration that the servants obbey George?
It would be a huge hint if allowed

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923970
>brushed off as something heroic
If I remember correctly, while George was saying that thing about killing everyone he was making sum JOJI FACES and "happiness of marionette" was playing in the background, something that only happened for Evatrice and Kinzo in Goldsmith mode.
Doesn't seem really heroic to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923988
Did you forget that it was turned to say he'd kill the demon first? It implied he just used a roundabout way to kill Gaap and act all badass.

[Anonymous No.]

One huge hint for George are those dem glasses
When they get all foggy i guess we could interpret it as George hiding his emotions / lying
Also Joji faces

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923993
Kills the demon and then kills the everyone, solved

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923966
Faking someone's dead might be hard but it's a concrete possibility.
Especially with an accomplice as gullible as Nanjo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923983
"XD" aside, that IS a bit troubling. I mean, granted, without the whole murder thing, it would make for a decent comedy, but lesbianism + mass murder never seems to end well for either parties.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924000
You can't deny it was written in such way to distract you from that revelation. Proof is that it's hardly talked about even back then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924009
I don't think Jessica was involved in the murders. She's too dumb and trusting. That and an obvious red herring to Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923970
>no one would linger on it because it's a magic scene
Even if magic scenes didn't happen, it's still the same character involved in them, they wouldn't be able to act in that scene in a way that their character wouldn't be able to act, they wouldn't say things that their characters wouldn't say. George being dedicated enough to Shannon to kill others is canon. Whether this actually has any significance is up for discussion.

In my opinion, you'd be a fool to suspect Shannon as the culprit without suspecting George as an accomplice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924006
>Regarding the unidentified corpses, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist!
>The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered!
>All six were genuine victims, and did not take part in a mutual murder!
And Battler confirms visually that she is Kyrie, at least in episode 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5923881
>>5923885
You could make it so she didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924025
>>5924025
I do think George is the mastermind with Shanon as the accomplice.

What I was trying to say is that back then no one lingered in that thought. No one thought magic scenes mattered or that they revealed anything. When were we told that pieces couldn't do what they normally wouldn't do no matter what? EP 5?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924037
>No one thought magic scenes mattered or that they revealed anything
NO

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924072
I remember clearly back then. HURR HURR DELUSIONS GIVE US MORE RED

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924080
I also remember several screencaps of fantasy scenes which were supposedly hints from way before Chiru.
Pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

Red isn't worth shit.
Re-read http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/TIPS/Beatrice%27s_White_Day from the red text part again.

[Anonymous No.]

Battler marries George....
And then i was bacon

[Anonymous No.]

It surprises me that I haven't seen the "19 is the age of the lord of this territory" thing discussed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924102
>way before Chiru
>1278412149504
>06 Jul 2010
I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924180
It contradicts Skannontrice, so they prefer not to notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924213
>Patch 4.1
Just because I saved the pic later, it doesn't mean it wasn't made before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924222
How does it contradict it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924224
Because Shannon is 16-17 yo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924231
PFFFT AHAHAH

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924231
Was it stated in red? Or perhaps in gold?
wwwww

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924232
>>5924234
Samefag and /a/-fag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924231
HURR FOLLOWING THAT LOGIC NOBODY IS 19 IN THE ISLAND

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924231
Humans are capable of lying about their age, you know.
Specially women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924240
DURR GIVE CLUES THAT SHE'S OLDER. I CAN GIVE FOR JESSICA.

[Anonymous No.]

You now realize that Battler is the only person on the island who is 19.

[Anonymous No.]

I want Kyrie or George to be the masterminds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924252
Give them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924265

I hate the tought of Kyrie being a culprit and don't mind George being the culprit

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924250
Knox Rules. You're gonna need to present clues there, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924240
19 years you say... I wonder what happened then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924264
And even he's 18.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924290
A baby other than Battler was born 19 years ago.
We don't know for sure what happened to that baby.
Kinzo appears with some baby 19 years ago.
Accident with Natsuhi.
After the accident we are told that Kinzo began to study black magic.
Jessica comments that there's a rumor that the servants that come from the Fukuin house are related to Kinzo's ceremonies, something which started after the accident 19 years ago.
Of course we know that "Shannon and Kanon came from the Fukuin house."
Also, Kanon hesitating before telling Battler his age in episode 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924282
Jessica was always bigger and stronger than Battler.
Jessica isn't Natsuhi's daughter (we have clues for that). She has a blond hair, unlike any Japanese person (inb4 "hurr colorful hair", but it was specifically said about Beatrice's blond hair that she doesn't look Japanese). She's the daughter of 2nd Beatrice, that died 19 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

even before clues, why should she lies about her age in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924312
Some people falling off cliffs, mostly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924126
If red isnt worth shit, then you can make up whatever theory you feel like making. There would be literally no point in Umineko if you couldnt "trust" red (as in its open to interpreting, but still true at least in a way)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924312
19 years ago, Beatrice 2 died and Kinzo tried to replace it with Beatrice 3, aka Natsuhi's adopted child. If the man from 19 years ago is alive, it's Beatrice. If it's really dead, Kinzo replaced it again with a Beatrice 4 who would also be 19 now.

The subplot with Natsuhi's child really didn't tell us anything that we shouldn't have been able to figure out already as soon as we heard that Kinzo tried to replace Beatrice and that the replacement died 19 years ago. Any theories involving Beatrice's identity need to account for the age thing and present clues supporting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924325
So you should never try to read anything else than umineko. Saying that " without red we have nothing to trust" is just an epic fail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924332
I'd like to trust the author to not do something as unfair and stupid as tell us "truths" that are not true at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924318
>A baby other than Battler was born 19 years ago.
Except all that wasn't said in the core arcs, so you shouldn't base your reasoning solely on that.
>After the accident we are told that Kinzo began to study black magic.
He was studying it way before that, he's just immersed himself more.

All that could make sense in this context if Shannon has been working there for way more years. Why hire her only 10 years ago?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924318
Always thought Shanon and Kanon were illegitimate children of Kinzo. The whole "Kinzo created us as furniture" may just be a metaphor for "He fucked our moms". Hence the reason why Shanon and Kanon were reluctant to love Jessica and Fat man.

Sounds farfetched but I thought of it while taking a shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924318
The only thing that works here is MAYBE Kanon hesitating about his age, maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5921193

For a sec this pic reminded me Lezard from VP. His laugh was supreme (goes off to image George with the same laugh).

[Anonymous No.]

I'm perfect

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924357
George will never be as awesome as Lezard Motherfucking Valeth.

Though, if George is the culprit, they have a lot of similarities. Specially with all this love shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924357
Holy shit
This guy is fucking George!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924383
didn't this guy also make a Shiki cosplay?
Typical Type-Moon fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924388
Is George a good fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

KinzoxShannon is my OTP.

[Anonymous No.]

Lezard reminds me more of Kinzo instead of George.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5924388
And they're both FATFATFAT

[Anonymous No.]

George. Your fatness is attractive. We love you anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

George is gay or at least love traps.Rifyu confirmed it.