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[Anonymous No.]

>My face when Kyrie is confirmed to be the culprit and Shkanonfags look like even bigger morons than they already do

[Anonymous No.]

>implying that culprit Kyrie and Shkanon are incompatible theories

[Anonymous No.]

>he still thinks kyrie has a chance of being the culprit

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>>5880557

Murderer for damn sure.

Probably Yakuza.

In it to kill Krauss.

But not the min culprit, sadly.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

you're all going to look like retards when my theory (kyrudotrice) is proven right

[Anonymous No.]

If the things in EP6 are a confession then it is also a confession that Kyrie is an insane, psychopathic, ruthless murdering bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5880603

Who knows how magic works.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, she probably know about the twin switch...

[Anonymous No.]

>Culprit
>Killed on arc 1
>Yandere for Rudolf
>With a daughter at home
>No relation whatsoever with Beatrice

wut

[Anonymous No.]

>my face when a witch killed everyone with magic and the entire mystery angle is an elaborate ruse to dupe people into searching for answers that aren't there

[Anonymous No.]

>>5880626
No deaths were confirmed in arc 1.

[Anonymous No.]

I'd like to see Kyrie reaction to Rudolf death, for once

[Anonymous No.]

>>5880652

Yes, in ep IV

[Anonymous No.]

>>5880662
Ep IV only guaranteed no body doubles. It didn't guarantee deaths.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5880686
Lambda referred to them as corpses and the Natushi event was a "shooting murder".

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>>5880716
EP5 confirms that things referred to as corpses aren't necessarily real corpses. And we're mostly talking about Kyrie here.

[Anonymous No.]

Kyrie would be an awesome culprit and you all know it.

Cap related, its her talking to Shkannon about killing people for love.

[Anonymous No.]

ShKanon was destroyed.
Red text:
# 6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa are dead!
# There is no one hiding in the six rooms!
# The six people died instantly!
#Shannon and Kanon are found in diferent places.

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>>5880759
I sure hope "no one hiding" includes "no other personality hiding in the fake dead body."

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>>5880759
Oh you meant their personality died instantly right?
Hahahaha.

[Anonymous No.]

Ryu better pull of some shit like: "Lol, Kanon and Shannon both died just previous to the families arrival. Manon freaked and killed them to pretend to be them the whole time because Manon is really Beatrice and wanted to meet Battler."

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>>5880848
And what of Shannon's corpse that was in plain sight to Battler?

It had a fatal wound. It was in plain sight. Her physical form was killed.

[Anonymous No.]

I've only seen the ShKanon theory because that's all that's ever talked about. I sometimes see vague references to her being the true culprit, and I've been suspecting her this whole time to have a huge role in all of this.

Anyone want to elaborate on some of the finer points of this theory?

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>>5880884
And then he will be hated for fucking ever because that makes even less sense and half of episode 6 would have been waster.

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>>5880891
Unfortunately, Kyrie-culprit isn't actually a well-formed theory so far, just people reacting to her obviously being an insane ruthless killer.

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>>5880923
And a liar.
And a deceiver.
And an all around suspicious character.
And the fact that she killed Rudolf and Hideyoshi in Episode 3.

[Anonymous No.]

"Part of your comment isn't allowed to be posted :("

What the fuck, Moot? Posting in the ghost board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5880892

Now Shkannonfags will pull the Detective authority bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>5880943 Here:


>>5880923
Shit.
I was suspecting her because she was insane, but I thought I was just too stupid to piece together small details that point to her being a murderer aside from her personality.

I mean, she's also pretty smart and came close to solving the riddle.

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>>5880939
I'm almost certain that Kyrie is behind at least most of arc 3. She's also decently suspicious in 4. Arc 1 is hard but not totally impossible. You'd probably have to give up on Arc 2 though since she is confirmed dead in the first twilight there.

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>>5880944,1
Post isn't allowed because Moot is pro-ShKanontrice

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>>5880951
Well, there's a fine way we can still write off Episode 2 as being her work by simply creating a distinction between culprit and murderer. Eva is a murderer in Episode 3, obviously, but she is not the culprit. There is a single mastermind (Kyrie), but there are other murderers on the island, likely working (or at least used to be working) for her.

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>>5880975
If Kyrie is the culprit, it's hard not to imagine her ties to the Sumaderas aren't relevant, especially given the WORLD PEACE bullshit. You know what that means?

>13. Secret societies, camorras, mafias, et al., have no place in a detective story. A fascinating and truly beautiful murder is irremediably spoiled by any such wholesale culpability. To be sure, the murderer in a detective novel should be given a sporting chance; but it is going too far to grant him a secret society to fall back on. No high-class, self-respecting murderer would want such odds.

Wizard-Hunting Wright is going to have yet another seizure.

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>>5880902
>half of episode 6 would have been waster
Buddy, ALL of episode 6 was a waste of time. The only way to explain any of Erika's actions is that she is actually one of the other characters and Erika doesn't exist. Remember that the pieces can't act outside of how they would act without influence by the meta-world, the only explanation for Erika IS the meta-world which would get her fucking murdered by Dlanor in a instant for breaking multiple rules. In other words, episode 6 is no more trustworthy(more likely less) than episode 5.

[Anonymous No.]

You're all going to look like retards when Kraunontrice is proven correct

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>>5880660

>I'd like to see Kyrie reaction to Rudolf death, for once

Wasn't it in EP4?

She was...oddly nonplussed. And the narrator said she had a new desire to protect the son he left behind which "hid her grief"...

...Which we know in EP6 is not something Kyrie would do. Huh.

[Anonymous No.]

EP 7 is an alternative reality where Asumu didn't die and so Kyrie isn't with them in the island....
And impressively no murder happens at all
Take your conclusions

[Anonymous No.]

>>5881519
At least i wished this could happen......

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>>5881028
We're breaking one of Wright's rules no matter what. It's either THE BUTLER DID IT or SUMADERA FAMILY DID IT

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>>5881519
Until the end when Battler roid rages and punches the boiler so hard it explodes killing everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5881773
Taking lessons from Chris I see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xuXkVzBdJQ

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>>5881771
Why not just 'The daughter did it'? Well, maybe she didn't carry out most of the murders, but she IS capable of murder if she thinks there's no other alternative.

Think back to her death in Episode 2. Who were the principle figures in that care? Jessica, the 'victim', Kanon who went 'missing' and Nanjo, who pronounced her 'dead'. These are the same three people who most likely helped Kanon (or Shkannon, or whatever) fake his death in the previous episode (Battler saw SOMEONE in the shadows at the end of that episode, whether it was 'Beatrice' or not). When Jessica was left alone with Nanjo in Episode 3, he was killed right after, and 'Kanon' guided her back to the parlor.

Plenty of reasons to cast suspicion on all three of them in my opinion.

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>>5880609

I'm getting the feeling that this was one of the most important clues in EP6.

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>>5880603

But she didn't murder anyone though so how the fuck is she a murderer?. All it showed that Kyrie is heavily in love with Rudolf to scary Yandere levels (and that Rudolf was a womanising shithead in the past) and has a strong murdering intent for Asumu and Asumu alone. She didn't kill Asumu and she has no reason to lie to Jessica about it is she did.

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>>5880939

>And the fact that she killed Rudolf and Hideyoshi in Episode 3

Excuse me, what?

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>>5880892
The non-meta reason for Featherine writing Episodes 3-6 is that in all of them, Shkanontrice dies before the game ends, whereas in Episodes 1 and 2, she makes it to the 10th twilight.

[Anonymous No.]

Admit it you guys the only reason you guys want Kyrie to be the culprit is because it disproves Shkanontrice. Other than that Kyrie being the culprit is just as good as the possibility of Rosa being the culprit. It's utter shit with no basis other than 'lol she's suspecious why? I dunno killing intent'

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>>5880721
No, what it confirmed is that someone could claim they witnessed a corpse by calling something other than a corpse a corpse. So if Battler and the others said they saw corpses when they didn't, it would be fine. The problem was with "witnessing" not the word "corpse". The idea that you can call something that isn't a corpse in red a "corpse" is a stupid one that invalidates all red. Kyrie was dead in episode 1 from the beginning. (the identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed)
Kyrie was dead in episode 2 from the beginning. (The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered!)

So in the first two episodes made by the original author she is dead right off the bat. She only starts being suspicious in episode 3.

People who say Kyrie is the culprit do not even think about it. Their stream of consciousness is basically "man so suspicious badass cold murderer asumu sin battler's mom yandere phone call man"

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>>5883698
You're retarded. What if someone from the shed was playing dead and therefore WASN'T a corpse? Identities of corpses are guaranteed, fine. It says nothing that people can't play dead with a makeup.

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>>5883730
Makeup that makes her face appear completely smashed at close inspection by Battler? Sure. Makeup that allows her to be dead in red too? Kyrieculpritfags are retarded, they only think about her character and don't look at the complete impossibility except perhaps "Kyrie is just the mastermind who always dies first and Jessica is her son who does everything for her so yeah no need for shkanontrice"

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>>5883738
All of the first twilight victims were wearing rubber masks that made it seem like their faces were smashed in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5883738
Except that he didn't perform close inspection, but bawwed the whole scene instead. It says NOWHERE that they're dead, idiot. And I don't really care about Kyrie, it just opens many different possible scenarios.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5883738
Ah, and by the way, you shouldn't complain about him mistaking the death status, if you claim that he can't even fucking distinguish Jessica's corpse from Shannon in ep2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5883754

Half of Krauss' head was smashed. How can you fake that?

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>>5883754
Rubber masks cannot impact faces. The manga has a pretty graphic depiction of the faces too.

>>5883759
It only opens different possible scenarios by ignoring obvious facts.

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>>5883768
I never claimed that.

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>>5883775
Your fellow fags do.

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>>5883768

What? since when coudn't he distinguish between Jessica's and Shannon's corpse in EP2?

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>>5883786
Most retarded fags claim that in Natsuhi's room it was Jessica's corpse disguised as Shannon.

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>>5883778
I am not responsible for the interpretations of other people in regards to any theory I support. Personally I think Shannon actually was dead at that point. There are no further murders aside from those the bomb causes.

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>>5883793
Most retarded fags claim that Kanon counts as 0 in the count of people because he is "0 on the roulette" and that's how you solved the episode 6 closed room. See? I can do that too.

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>>5883802
Except it's not related to the topic at all, while Battler's competence is.

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>>5883802

>Most retarded fags claim that Kanon counts as 0 in the count of people because he is "0 on the roulette" and that's how you solved the episode 6 closed room.

This is probably the stupidest theory i've heard yet. People aren't even trying at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>5883813
It still isn't any more related to the conversation when it isn't something I have personally claimed.

[Anonymous No.]

Kyrie is responsible for a sub-plot that puts pressure on Natsuhi and Krauss, but she is not the epitaph murderer. How about that? Natsuhi may receive the initial call from the man from 19 years ago in every episode, and get the scribbles on her door in every episode.

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>>5883769
I can't say I'm convinced that the shed corpses were faking it, but it could be the same plan as in Ep5, where only Krauss was dead following the first twilight. It's strange that only he (and Shannon if we're to believe Hideyoshi and Kanon) had half his face smashed. Perhaps Ep1 and Ep5 were supposed to end with only Krauss and Natsuhi dead (and the culprit can pin Kinzo and Krauss' deaths on her) but something went wrong.

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>>5883769
>>5883772
They were very realistic rubber masks.

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>>5883848

So I guess the entire family (Or atleast the entire siblings and their spouses) are fine with killing for the sake of money. How wonderful

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>>5883848
Hideyoshi and Kanon do not directly claim that half her face was there. According to what little is said by those two her face could be completely ripped off too, or in a completely different state entirely. The narrator only speaks Hideyoshi's thoughts that say half her face was there. So while Hideyoshi may have been hiding something, it doesn't really seem to his advantage to claim Shannon's corpse is in any particular state. That may be R07's direct trick on the reader rather than Hideyoshi's on the survivors.

[Anonymous No.]

lol at Shkanonfag being banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5883769
As said by Erika, the only way to be completly sure someone is dead is to decapitate them.

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>>5884250
Just as expected from shkannonfag: samefag, troll and shitposter.

[Anonymous No.]

Why couldn't it be Maria who did it?
It's possible, right?
.....right?

[Anonymous No.]

I declare that Sumadera Kyrie is the culprit.
Asumu son was the stillbirth(It was already confirmed Battler is not Asumu son); Rudolf came to visit Kyrie when she gave birth, snatched the baby, switched the paperwork with some bribing, and called it a day. This was probably staged by Kinzo and supported in some degree by the rest of the Ushiromiya family, then kept in secret.
Rudolf has mustered enough courage to tell this to Kyrie on the day of the family conference. (Hence the "I might die tonight" line in EPwathever, and "I couldn't even tell them the truth" when the fake deaths in EP6).
When she learns the truth, Kyrie snaps and kills everyone. She is knowledgeable about closed room mysteries, uses accomplices (blackmailed or bribed) and disguises everything as the illusion of the witch (the witch is Shannon by the way, but Kyrie learns this and uses her). She knows about Kinzo, about Beatrice, and maybe even about the location of the gold in some eps (bribes Rosa with it, for example; after she does it, Kyrie kills her anyway, she's an Ushiromiya after all).
She has a motive and more than enough capability to stage the murders.

With just this 6 chapters, this level of reasoning is possible for Anonymous. What do you think, everyone?

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>>5887261
You were supposed to solve it after 4 episodes, you chucklefuck.

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>>5886265
According to my theory they are all the same person, so yes.

[Anonymous No.]

On the ShKannon shit, today I was watching a random umineko episode just to see some derp faces, and something caught my attention
On episode II-III (The one with that house written Happy Halloween to Maria), Rosa tells Shannon and Gohda (I think, don't remeber who was with Shannon) to go somewhere, after a while, Jessica storms off and Rosa tells Kanon and Someone to go after her
How can Shanon and Kanon be the same people if they left at different times to different places?
Is there something I'm missing? I'm not really into Umineko

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>>5887339
So many grammar mistakes, forgive me
Not going to bother to fix them, though

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>>5887319
But it was said in red that there are 17 people on the island.
I guess there could be 17 alternate personalities but that would be retarded... even so, Shkanon is pretty much confirmed; if that 17 only reefers to real people and not split personalities, that means... purupurupikopuyo-man x exists.
If 17 means 17 distinct personalities... there could be 16 or less people on the island, accounting to a total of 17 people.
Maybe Maria is Rosa's sock-puppet fashioned after her daughter who was taken away by social services. Rosa is fucking nuts and kills everyone because she thinks that's how you get the gold.

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>>5887261
Oh, and there must be some proof of this left on Rokkenjima; that's why Okonogi-san wants to silence Ange, because he made a deal with the Sumaderas to hide it("world peace"). Something like that, otherwise why would these people be bothered by Ange trying to solve the mystery?