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Pay close attention to the last panels in this one.

[Anonymous No.]

Well spotted OP. Explain that, ShKanonfags.

inb4 fantasy scene

[Anonymous No.]

Don't you just hate it when you accidentally go too far and have to scroll back up and cap the yellow text?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm an idiot. Please explain what I'm seeing.

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>>5875576
No.

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>>5875589
I have autism, be nice. :(

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>>5875602
If you have autism then it should be easier to understand it by yourself but harder for someone to explain it to you.

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>>5875554
explain what?

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>>5875618
OP's screenshot? And all the other holes in Shkanon? Retard.

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>>5875554
This is just further proof for Shkanon. She's the one Maria meets and she's the one that fools Maria into believing she repaired the candy. Maria talking with Kanon is all fantasy. Shkanon was watching the scene and later emerges as Beatrice. The fantasy scene of Kanon is a hint that he repairs it.

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>>5875554
It seems to help ShKanon you know

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>>5875627
What kind of backwards explanation is that? You people will try anything.

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>>5875636
Have you already forgotten that not every scene you see is real?

See all the scenes of Kinzo talking.

[Anonymous No.]

What is there that could disprove ShKanon?
The only thing I see is further proof that Shannon and Kanon are connected to Beatrice

[Anonymous No.]

Episode 7 will either prove or disprove Shkanon.

Either way, this board is going to be buried in butthurt. God help us all.

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I don't know about anyone else but I'm getting the fuck out of here when ep 7 hits. It's been nice /jp/

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>>5875663
I'm going to spoil the fuck out of episode 7 the moment the spoiler will be out in 2ch.

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>>5875668
I'll be long gone before then.

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>>5875675
Don't worry, I'll be nice, I'll put spoiler tag.

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>>5875668

Spoil it on anime websites.

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>>5875658
Sounds good.

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Arguing Shkanon's existence is like arguing god's existence
Shit's retarded

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>>5875698
Agreed. Anyone who can't plainly see that God exists without needing to resort to idiotic pseudo-logic arguments to try to refute something that should be common sense, is just an autistic retard.

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>>5875698
>>5875728
I cannot put into words how butthurt I am when I need to explain again and again something that R07 made obvious with episode 6. It's not that it isn't accepted that makes me buttmad. It's that there are even people who sarcastically talk about it like this, as if the notion that it could possibly be true is retarded. I can feel the same emotions that R07 must have felt when he insulted his readers constantly through Featherine.

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>>5875759
>I cannot put into words how butthurt I am
So the sole ShkShitter remaining finally admits it.

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>>5875759
Typical anti-Shkanonfag setting up a strawman Shkanonfag samefag and then insulting that strawman.

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>>5875826
Typical ShkShitter with his autistic argument that makes no sense.

[No.]

Pic related typical shkanonfag

[Anonymous No.]

Just more heavily implied Shkanon in episode 2.

There really is a lot in that episode. Honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

Shkanonfags are hilarious.

They could probably link all the scenes where Maria gets the shit beaten out of her by Rosa back to Shkanon to somehow prove its existence.

[Anonymous No.]

OP here.

Both sides (pro and anti-Shkanontrice) are taking it the wrong way.

These screens come from Ep. 2 Chapter: Guest of Honor. As a summary:

- Rosa beats up Maria, who cries in the garden
- Kanon, who had received a Halloween candy from Maria earlier picks up the one Rosa smashed in her rampage and tries to exchange it for the one Maria gifted him.
- Maria refuses, and (take a look at the second and third pics) suggests that "a witch would be able to fix it," and stares at Kanon in a way that would imply that she knows that Beatrice is a dormant personality of his.
- Kanon starts feeling strange, almost as though something that was sleeping starts rising up in him

FADE TO BLACK

- Next scene, the adults are squabbling over the money as usual when Shannon enters, serves tea and leaves. Rosa and Kyrie have a talk meanwhile, and right after Shannon leaves, Rosa remembers her daughter is autistic and is probably still standing outside.
- Rosa goes outside and finds Maria, who refuses to return to the guesthouse because, in her words, she knows "'Beatrice' will come soon."
- "'Beatrice' appears as expected and uses a trick to restore Maria's candy (ie. Shkanontrice swaps it with the one she got earlier), gives Rosa + Maria the epitaph letters and waltzes off.

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>>5876030
What we should take from this:
a.) Seeing as how the Beatrice personality isn't active most of the time, it's very probable that Maria's presence is one of the conditions for it to awaken. This is, of course, assuming that it's something outside of Shkanontrice's conscious control and that it's not just an act.

b.) In episode 4, Maria tells everyone she met Kinzo instead of Beatrice. If we infer that 'Maria receiving a letter from someone' is one of the rules of the gameboard and draw the conclusion that it's probably the same person giving her the letters each time, it would strongly suggest that the part 'Kanzo' theory about name inheritance is actually correct - when it's tied in with Shkanontrice.

Possibly, the difference in Episode 4 is that whatever it is that causes 'Beatrice' to awaken (the thing with Maria's Rose?) doesn't happen at the normal point it does in the story, the consequence being that it's normal Shkanon (who has inherited the title of Kinzo) giving the letter to Maria.

If this sounds dumb, I apologize; it just really stuck out for me as I was rereading the story.

>Captcha: is guesses

[Anonymous No.]

Shkannon is finally disproved? I proud.

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>>5876145
Nothing was disproven.

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>>5876145
There's nothing in EP1-4 that disproves ShKanon. This was established way back when 4 was released. That's when the theory first came around. Everybody tried to disprove it back then and failed. If you want to disprove then you have to rely on EP5 and you can't use Battler's view point to do so.

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>>5875931
What'll be hilarious is your reaction when it's proven right. EP6 should have done that already but you're too thick-headed. There's a mountain of evidence supporting ShKanon and hardly nothing going against it besides "I don't like that theory" or "it doesn't make sense to me" A select group of people are keeping it secret and helping the illusion. It's a more elaborate version of Kinzo's.

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>>5876253
Capped for episode 7 day when Ryukishi07 finally decides to deny the most retarded of all theories his idiotic readers have ever come up with. Hope you enjoy eating your words.

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I don't get it guys, What's the point in making this Shkanon(trice) threads? The theory is already there. Almost everything that can be said about it has already been said.

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>>5875480
>began to slowly creep into the back of his mind
Sound like a metaphor for the awakening of the Beatrice personality.
Why are the denialfags still so hung up on this? I mean ep6 pretty much confirmed it is true. Umineko is shit and you shouldnt be expecting an answer that can blow you away. Best not to put your hope so high on R07. He is a whacked job.

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>>5876317
It's just incredibly underwhelming that the final solution is something that was first introduced in Onikakushi.
Not that I was expecting much from Ryu.

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>>5876036
I don't buy this because Beatrice did awaken at some point, when 'Kinzo' was still out killing everyone and Maria was with Battler the whole time. The fact that it was supposed to be Kinzo and not Beatrice in episode 4 though has always fucked with me.

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>>5876350
And Erika in EP5.

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>>5876350
Kinzo didnt killed anymore.
Fact it none of them died in that room.
They were bullshitting about Kinzo killing everyone in that room.
Phone calls? They were bullshitting as well.
I just cant find a valid reason for them doing it. Doesnt make sense why everyone in Rokkenjima want to trick Battler. I seriously dont get it. I think if we know why, umineko would be solved.

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>>I mean ep6 pretty much confirmed it is true.
Ep. 6 is written in the same ambiguous wordplay that the rest of the series is written in, the same language that from the rest of the series you're convinced Shkanon is fact and others are convinced Shkanon is a red herring. (Can red herrings be specifically set against the reader, not the detective?) Even after introducing contracts of trust with the reader, Ryukishi just likes to obfuscate his work for the sake of obfuscation.

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>>5876384
Its a confession or like R07 past works, ep5-8 are the answer arcs.
Yes feel free to come up with alternative theory for what is going on making sense of what we gain from ep1-6 with enough fore shadow and relate to the story.
Don't come up with retarded theory just to sidestep the red text which the majority of the retards do.

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>>5876384
To dedicate a whole episode to a "red herring" is going pretty far. Red herrings aren't really lies. They're little distractions that seem like clues. For Shkanon to be a red herring, R07 wouldn't have to just have thrown in distractions here and there that get misinterpreted. He would have to have blatantly, boldly and continuously lie for long stretches of time.

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>>5876405
You mean just like ShKanon?

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>>5876410
For example, Ange spent a long time wondering why it was so impossible for Shannon and Kanon to both find happiness. She thought it was much more than them just being servants. She realized that Shannon's status really wasn't a problem for George. She reached the conclusion that there was something much more important going on, and Featherine gave the impression that she was waiting for Ange to figure that out. Furfur and Zepar again and again explain just why the duel is taking place, and why Shannon and Kanon cannot love.

You would have to throw this all out of the window and say "fantasy scenes, doesn't mean shit" or "actually it's just their status after all" (even though Ange reasoned that doesn't make sense) or something like that.

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>>5876418
Yeah, ShKanon is just a theory to sidestep the red that hasn't been knee-deep in evidence since episode 2. You anti-Shkanonfags really are textbook cases of denial.

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The only thing we can be sure of is that both sides are right: I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi to pull a stupid trick to get around his own self-imposed limitations.

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>>5876405
>Its a confession or like R07 past works, ep5-8 are the answer arcs.

CORE Arcs, not Answer...

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>>5876434
>confession

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>>5876430
Yeah, because ShKanon makes oh so much sense.
So noone ever figured out that Shannon and Kanon where just one person?
Totally plausible.

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>>5876405
>retarded theory just to sidestep the red text

That's pretty much what Shkanon(trice) is, isn't it?

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>>5876447
Yeah, just like everyone on the island didn't realize Kinzo was dead and that's how nobody knew. That's exactly how Shkanon works.

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>>5876451
No. Every theory of the anti-Shkanonfags is. Shkanontrice is the one that is obvious in episode 6, even if there is no red text involved.

Why is your reading comprehension so poor? Can we have a basic English test for /jp/ access?

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>>5876447
Same reason why they didnt realized Kinzo was dead for 2years am I right?
They were seen together.

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>>5876456
The main family and some servants knew.
That's not noone.

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>>5876466
Shit, you figured me out. There goes my argument. I guess Shkanontrice isn't true after all.

No really, what is your IQ? 90?

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>>5876475
75. That's why I believe in ShKanon.

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>>5876456
Almost everyone in the island and Nanjo knew Kinzo was dead. Not to mention Kyrie and Eva noticed something was odd.

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>>5876485
Another anti-Shkanonfag who is unable to discern what is meant by a piece of writing.

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>>5876483
Capped for future use.
I will mail this to R07 once he confirmed shkanontrice to show how dumb he is.

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>HURP DERP READING COMPREHENSION MY IQ IS 200 SHKANONTRICE IS GENIUS AND MAKES SENSE
What I'm getting from the samefagging ShKShitter in this thread.

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>>5876489
I'm actually not against Shkanon(trice). In fact, I can see R07 pulling something like that. However, I also see the possibility for other theories. Shkanon(trice) as a theory is already there, and almost everything that can be said about it has already been said. So, I see no point in making for Shkanon(trice) threads.

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>>5876516
Why? Even if the Shkanontrice theory exists, that doesn't mean it's complete. The understanding of Shkanontrice and its implications have evolved over time within the group of people who don't stubbornly deny it. What is known about the theory cannot be summarized with one word, and even if it could be, that summary would become obsolete very soon as new developments were made. So 'stop posting about Shkanontrice, it's done, let's talk about how suspicious Kyrie is' or whatever it is a bad suggestion.

The average ignorant Shkanon denier would for instance claim "so DID maid just conveniently switches personality for no reason and none of the 19 people who have been on the same island with them for 10 years know about it", which shows the gap of understanding between two people who supposedly know of the same theory.

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>>5876475
But all kidding aside, I never said that ShKanon isn't true, I just said it's fucking stupid.
Guess your reading comprehension isn't so good as your mindless gibberish about anti-shkanonfags or whatever made you think.
You might call me an anti-Uminekofag if you seriously can't think outside of brackets and need to categorize everyone.

I just don't get why anyone would feel proud about defending something so utterly retarded as shkanon as the epitome of logic.

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>>5876535
I've actually seen plenty of summaries about the theory here in /jp/ - from Shkanon(trice) supporters of course - and they were all pretty much the same. Not to mention that I'm yet to see a Shkanon(trice) thread that doesn't involve the same arguments.

The theory is there; it's solid, and the only weak points in it are due to lack of info, which the theorists expect to be given in the episodes to come.

This is why I see no reason to keep on bringing this up.

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>>5876557
Nobody is defending it.
I can't see anyone here who think this is a good development.

But even if it's shit, it's the most likely answer.
What people are defending is simply the conclusion that they reached, even if they don't like this conclusion.

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>>5876557
I don't think Shkanon theorists defend the theory because they find it logical or because they like the idea of Shkaon (there must be a few exceptions, of course), but the hints ARE there.

If you want to solve the mystery, then you have to work with the hints, whether you like the answer you're getting or not.

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>>5876557
I never said Shkanon was a good answer. For example, someone writes a book that obviously tries to assert the idea that anyone who doesn't believe in the Christian God is depraved and immoral.

That is a stupid message to convey in a book, but because the message is conveyed so obviously, you would have to be just as stupid to deny it.

You never said Shkanon wasn't true? Stop backtracking. If Shkanon is true, it isn't just a retarded theory that is only used to bypass the red like you claimed it was. It is a central part of the story with many non-red hints.

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Shkanon? Sure. Some parts make sense. Some don't. He can clear that up in Episode 7.
Shkanontrice? I hope not. I'd rather see a culprit that doesn't stand out. I doubt many people suspected Takano in Higurashi before the answer arcs. It would be stupid if Shkanontrice was correct since that's what everyone's been saying since Episode 3 or 4.

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>>5876593
>I doubt many people suspected Takano in Higurashi before the answer arcs.

She was actually rather obvious, ever since the whol bicycle incident.

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>>5876563
"In the episodes to come"? Is everyone missing the point that EP7 is the last episode, and even if it isn't, that R07 is going to give a "ruthless answe"r in it anyway? There won't be any room left to theorize. If there is an episode after it then it will simply wrap things up post-mystery. We are all slowpokes. We were supposed to be able to solve this since ep4. How ridiculously obvious does episode 6 make Shkanontrice? Obvious enough so any intelligent reader who isn't thoroughly in denial has to accept it. How obvious will episode 7 make even more important matters? There is no time left to wait for clues. Solve it now or never.

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>>5876593
You've got to be kidding, Takano was an obvious culprit since Tatarigoroshi.

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I like how Higurashi is used for evidence in every thread even though R07 has said that people who have read Higurashi will be at a disadvantage in Umineko.

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>>5876604
>>5876614

Unless you didn't watch the anime and magically avoided spoilers, you can't really call it obvious when you already know the answer

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>>5876571
Well, Ryu said that a lot will make sense if you insert the E6 solution into the previous episodes.
If you take it so that, say, Kanzo is the key, then it actually helps a lot too. The entire E1 is explained (you never got "why dunnit" and why did Natsuhi of all people have to die), E2 is explained for the most part, E3 keeps being shenaninganny as much as it keeps being a horseshit even with ShKanontrice and E5 is explained completely as well as E4, except for one final point - what does Jessica want Battler to remember?
I could elaborate, of course, but it's more fun to actually put some thought in this.

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>>5876642
I watched the anime when it was airing and could see that Takano was the culprit by the third arc of the first season.
And it has less clues than the game.

Stop trying to defend this, Takano was obvious for anyone with a brain.

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>>5876614
I've been thinking about "so, in one kakera, Keiichi actually does slash Takano's neck with his shovel. What now?"

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>>5876650
It also has less bullshit and trolls.

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>>5876638
Why?
In Higurashi one my theories was DID, which made way more sense back then.
You could at least think of some plausible triggers for a personality switch.
Also, they rarely changed characters and it didn't last that long, when ShKanon' personalities just switch, die and are triggered all over the place.

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>>5876642
Most people watched the anime before the VN, and most people knew 34 was the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not really interested whether the several "keys" from EP6 would solve the locked rooms or murders (that's just secondary), but did it provide us anything new to suspect? Did they reveal new complications? That's the basis of how I'll judge the "keys".

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>>5876683
Jokes on you, I remember most people saying that Miyo indeed did kill Tomitake for whatever reason, but Sonozaki family made a mess of things afterwards.

Then again, Higurashi is unfair.

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>>5876698
Hideyoshi is up to something.
Jessica is holding out on us.

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>>5876710

Hideyoshi? Nice. He's been on my shitlist for so long now. That's from EP1 right? (THAT FUCKING SHED)

Jessica holding out is not really that surprising now.

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>>5876710
Hiding Shannon corpse.
Eva+Hideyoshi locked room. Is he really dead or acting dead?
Acting suspiciously with Kyrie at ep3.
Acting dead infront of Natsuhi at ep5.

But he doesnt have the charisma to be the real culprit.

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Shkanontrice is the obvious solution, and I don't mean that in the "LOL ITS TOO OBVIOUS GUYS", I mean really, it fits the foreshadowing and theme of the story to a T.

The biggest issue is Jessica, and although we disguise the pink elephant in the room by making a bunch of lesbian jokes, something upsetting and disturbing is occurring with her.

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>>5876698
Well, the point of aforementioned Kanzo theory is that Kanon was not the one who found the gold - Jessica did, after which she became 'Beatrice' and let him use the gold for personal reasons, such as making contracts with demons(bribing people), which made him another meta-Goldsmith, or Kinzo IRL.

Yet, it sure does create several problems. The pony core doesn't work nearly as much anymore. Kanon would have to be 19. In E2, Kanon dies in Jessica's room, you could read the scene so that they argued and he died, but it's still pretty shaky. E3 actually does make Eva the culprit, much more so than with "she only nearly killed Battler and then came to her senses". I could propably think of a few other minor things.

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>>5876748
He doesn't hide Shannon's corpse.
He ask George if Shannon had a ring, George confirms and therefore Hideyoshi can state that Shannon is dead.
He probably just saw her hand.

And for the closed room with Eva, he died naked with a stake in the middle of the head, hard to fake this.
In episode 3, Kyrie and Rosa were the suspicious ones, and he played along with everyone in episode 5.

[Anonymous No.]

Whoa, guys, I just solved Umineko!

Everyone has DID.
Other personalities do not account to the 16/17 people limit.
Only Kanon/Shannon does, because of the same reason why Kanon/Shannon but not the trice personality does.
No hints? The possibility of DID has been proven with the example of ShKanon.

What do you think, everyone?

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>>5876773
Meh, the Shkanontrice persona thing is a cheap trick, because if you THINK about it, Shannon and Kanon can count as people, but Beatrice doesn't.

Thus, in a sense, witches DO exist.

But that's neither here nor there. There's a bunch of funky stuff going on with Shannon, Genji, Nanjo, Jessica, and Kumasawa, that is for sure.

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>>5876772
Narration says he can see her face too. He's around the corner standing right over her corpse but can only see her hand? Wasn't he even the one who told George it was Shannon?

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>>5876761
>The biggest issue is Jessica, and although we disguise the pink elephant in the room by making a bunch of lesbian jokes, something upsetting and disturbing is occurring with her.

Personally, I find George far more suspicious than Jessica.

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This thread is already so full of butthurt faggotry that my reply can't possibly make it worse, so what the Hell. I hated Shkannon because it felt like it'd be lame writing and just a variation on Shmion that Ryukishi could try to pull again. EP6 changed my mind. I'm not a fan of it, but I can accept it, because there's no way to deny it. Anti-shkannonfags are utterly blind. It's obvious and too late in the game for it to be a red herring, especially when you go back and see other things supporting it in the previous EPs.

However, Shkannontrice is bullshit. It would be terrible fucking writing to have them be the same person AND the culprit and have that solve everything. Just because they're the same person and clearly a key to the mystery doesn't mean they have to be the fucking culprit on top of it. They're involved alright, they're the same person, and that's as important a piece to the puzzle as Kinzo being dead. Doesn't mean they're fucking Beatrice on top of it. Shkannontricefags can argue for it all they want, but even if EP6 blatantly proved Shkannon, their 'hints' for Shkannontrice are no stronger than the hints to anything else people were reaching for in the earlier games.

They're connected to Beatrice but it doesn't mean they are Beatrice. I'll vote Jessitrice until Ryukishi comes out and tell me I'm wrong.

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>>5876773
I actually like the way you think.

>>5876772
Yes, in four openings, you could see the scene from the inside of shed, with a huge sillouthe of Hideyoshi and George and battler in background.

Kind of strange since there is supposed to be Kanon as well, but still, why showing us the shed from inside perspective?

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>>5876789
Not necessarily. There have been a few theories on this point.
-When all the personalities are alive, they can only count as one person. Once they die (are released as furniture) they can count as dead people and thus the only red where they are treated as separate people.
-Shannon and Kanon count as people but that's because everyone on the island either goes along with the act or are fooled by it. Beatrice on the other hand is only believed in by a few, Battler completely refuses to acknowledge her no matter what.

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>>5876772
You mean Nanjo told Battler he died naked while having a stake through the skull right?
I am not sure if Natsuhi saw Hideyoshi body with all the bathroom steam going on.

[Anonymous No.]

So, Logic Error.

Battler being a huge idiot or JUST AS PLANNED?

Lamda says when looking at his cards that it could be a full house if he just gained one more card (Beato remembering). Plus it would fit in his Kinzofication that he would put all his fortune on an impossible bet. I think it can go either way.

My personal belief is that he did it on purpose, but severely underestimated the shit he got himself into. It was both badass and stupid of him.

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>>5876796
George is certainly more malicious than Jessica, there is a reason for his MUHAHAHAHAHA I AM YANDERE HEAR ME ROAR scenes, but the issue is that Jessica knows a bit too much about the Beato mythos, is a bit too close to both Shannon and Kanon, and happens to live a bit too much on the island, to the point that if Shkanontrice is true it puts her in a new light.

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>>5876798
Episode 6 shows Shkanontrice just as obviously. Jessica IS the Beatrice red herring. She is only there to make you think she's Beatrice. SHE is the big "IT'S TOO OBVIOUS" thing. In episode 2 for example, Beatrice shows up to Shannon, eggs on her relationship with George, while using *cackle*cackle*. Then the next scene Jessica urges on their relationship and uses *cackle*cackle* at least 5 times.

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>>5876820
I think Battler knew this whole time.
He used it as a way to get Beato's memories back.
So Battler is a genius and it went JUST AS PLANNED.

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>>5876830

Plus EP4.

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>>5876820
The fact that people are dead and he doesn't know tells you a lot about the witch side and Game Master in general, actually.

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>>5876830
Jessica and George magic fightan scene in ep4 practically showed us that they are something wrong with them.

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>>5876836
Well, if we accept Shkanon it's only logical to accept Shkanontrice.

But I think the Jessica focus as of late is less ZOMG SHE'S BEATO so much as it is ZOMG SHE'S LIKE DATING HER MAID WHAT THE BLOODY HELL IS GOING ON

[Anonymous No.]

Something to think about Shkanon fags.

Blue truth about Kanon's name was the one thing that hurt Beato the most in EP4. She was described as squirming at its pain.

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>>5876789
Exactly, there are even some obvious examples to further proove my theory!
And if we ever run out of meta-world characters to use, everyone else is just one of the goats!
Literally!

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>>5876798
>However, Shkannontrice is bullshit. It would be terrible fucking writing to have them be the same person AND the culprit and have that solve everything.
It is pretty obvious that she isn't the REAL CULPRIT.
Battler know the truth and it is pretty obvious that he is not holding any grudge with her! Also she saved Battler at the end of ep6 and the pieces on the gameboard cannot act outside of their real personality.
Why would a killer rescue Battler?

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>>5876853
It's funny. Episode 6 shows Jessica to be a reasonable person, but we all know that that can't possibly be true.

Oh, and as a side thing - I do remember, when episode 6 was first released, people gushed about Kyrie's ability to create a locked room murder... Not quite. That was Jessica's trick.

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>>5876861
Because Beatrice/X is using Kanon as an alias. Shannon isn't Beatrice.

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>>5876843

I actually see the fact that "he can't see" as suspicious actually. He let Erika do that. I might be overestimating, but I don't see Battler as that stupid.

Stupid enough to think he can survive a Logic Error, but not stupid enough to let that happen.

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>>5876864
She's obsessively in love with Battler. Why else kill everyone else, including her fiance and best friend?

When people say "I'll kill everyone for you" in Umineko, they MEAN IT.

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>>5876861
She was also acting like she had no moves left the whole time, Lambda counters Battler's blue easily in the ????. She let Battler kill her without solving anything. Why? Because he completely forgot her sin. After he can't remember his sin she completely changes and never recovers. First, she tries to deny him as an opponent. Then she's forced back into the game. Then, she tries to give up early. Battler notices and makes her fight. Then she fights him to the death, but really she was hiding just as many moves as all Battler's shit was wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

Shmion is my favorite Higurashi novels, it was beautiful and heartbreaking.

If Shkannon is true, then i'm sure R07 will find a decent explanation for it

[Anonymous No.]

I can't fucking wait for episode 7 to come out so you faggots will stop talking about this shkanon bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ who are you using as your main in continuum shift?

Picture probably relatde, but until then I am having fun using Tsubaki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876872

What was significant about that scene is that Kyrie understood magic. She understood that it has to be physically possible and explained through human tricks. That's why locking the door was so effective. At that point in time Jessica had no way to perform a locked room murder. The envy maths was just fluff.

I love the implications of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876887
Dohohoho, only plausible explanation would be that Jessica and Shannon's life sucked. And thus the most glorious game of pretend the world has ever seen began.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876888
It will continue for all time since it will be confirmed. People will come to the board, long after the series is over, asking about Umineko which they heard was a higurashi sequel, asking if it's any good. The stock replies will be "DID meido" and "Shannon is Kanon is Beatrice".

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876898
Kyrie's not the culprit, Anon.
And Jessica managed to spontaneously create a locked room mystery, so that's something at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876886

I know. I just find it curious that it hurt her that damn much. That was the only time a certain wound like that was focused on.

Also, Piece Battler committed suicide because he remembered Beato and his sin at the end of EP4. This was the direct cause of his death. Before we leave his perspective, he was about to climb the stairs and see the portrait. He had his Eureka moment afterwards. I like the simplicity of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876902
Umineko? Ah, yeah, the series with the lesbians!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876917
I don't buy into Battler's "sin" being all that grave. By any means, I don't see what a 12 year old could do to cause that much damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876862
>>5876773
Even if you're just joking, multiple people having DID is actually possible and nothing new.
Let's just hope we only get shkanontrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876902
That's fine with me. At least we won't have multiple threads discussing the same shit over and over and over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876902
Good series. By the way, the answer is a crazy maid, a bomb, and rape.

[Anonymous No.]

Battler's sin is that he choose to kill everyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876932
Umineko DID is not so much a tragic illness that makes you feel for the culprit as much as it is a tool that takes the red text premise of the story and violates us mercilessly with it.

It also makes everyone on the island brain dead, crazy or sociopathic.

Nevertheless, it is the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876926

Well it probably was something stupid he did when he was a kid. The suicidal thoughts come when he realizes that he led his entire family to the grave. Whoops.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876917
>You are all alone on this island. And of course, I am not you. Yet I am here, now, and will kill you.

Suicide isn't possible.

[Anonymous No.]

There is always someone trying to take the DID thing a little far to try and mock Shkanontrice.

For example "I'm a fan of Gohideyoshi, myself".

The reality is that only Shannon and Kanon out of the original 17 can be the same. You can say various people are Kinzo and Beatrice, but that's it.

Reds about bodies, reds about locations of people at certain times, and Battler's perspective forbids anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876926
His sin was giving the ribbon to Natsuhi instead of Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876861
You totally misunderstood the blue truth

The blue truth is accepted as the truth unless the red proves it to be wrong. Any blue truth that denies Beatrice's existence hurts her. Any blue attack Battler did (even small bombs) hurt her. The line about Kanon is nothing special. It's just more blue truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876952

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>>5876949
It's more or less mocking the premise.

Here's food for thought. Sure, Umineko seems like a scary mystery, but in reality, the culprit is hauling ASS, running from place to place, changing in and out of elaborate costumes, killing people... were we to follow the culprit for an episode, Umineko would be a hilarious comedy at the same level of "Murder by Death".

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876948

Beato is the cause for his death. Thus Beato killed him. The murder weapon was himself.

[Anonymous No.]

Question:

Episode 4 confirms that Eva sells off Kinzo's collection of occult books and what have you. How is this possible if there's an explosion that levels the whole mansion?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't believe in Shkannon, but i believe there is something about Kanon and Shannon existence that had to do with the murders

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876961
Kinzo apparently had a storage of books in Kuwadorian as well. So Eva must have sold those off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876954

Missing my point.

Re read the scene. The flank shot was the only one given special treatment like that. It was very specifically stated to hurt her very much.

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko - A deep series on what it means to be a person, and how subjective reality can be both magical and horrifying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876944
No, I meant that one of the first things you realize once you accept that the Beatrice personality doesn't count to the limit because technically she does not exist as a human person while either Kanon or Shanon does,
is that the same shit can also be true with Kumasawa and Virgilia, Genji and Ronove, Eva and EVAtrice and more, if you can match meta with game world characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876961

There is another mansion in the forest

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876948
There's still someone else, other than Battler, alive at the end of episode 4. The scene where it cuts off is Battler in front of the portrait and 'Beatrice' appears at the top of the stairs. So Beato in a dress represents an illusion.

[Anonymous No.]

Beato proclaimed with the dotted truth that she only killed Jessica to see the look on Kanon's face.

That is to say,
．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．
She killed Jessica to affect Kanon.

She killed Jessica so that Kanon's personality would die!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876970
The issue is that Kanon and Shannon can both be dead in red, and yet, still be alive. That's troubling.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876970
"while either Kanon or Shanon do count to the limit, because they are real persons, despite one being just a personality"
Just for clarification.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876978

Of course "Beato" appeared on the stairs. Battler was staring at her portrait.

>>5876969

Also. Metafiction. Lots and lots of Metafiction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876982
Yes, Shkanontrice is a whore and a terrible terrible person, we all know this. Best solution is to pump her full of lead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876986

I wounder why Kanon is resentful to Genji

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876861
You're only proving that somebody having Kanon's identity is part of disproving the witch's existence.

Shannon Beatrice isn't a witch. The witch Beatrice doesn't exist in the real world. She's just a manifestation of Shannon's Beatrice personality. Beatrice is hurt by Natsuhi's mirror because it breaks the illusion that she's not really Beatrice.

That's probably too complicated for you so I'll put into a simple, easy to understand term

Meta Beatrice =/= Shannon Beatrice. Meta Beatrice is Shannon Beatrice's piece.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876994
He nailed the whole furniture ideal into their heads because he knew what would happen if they tried to have those kind of relationships with actual humans. He was a strict father figure.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876944
That's my problem with Umineko.
It seems like red text was only introduced to make the mystery harder to solve even though it was introduced as a tool that should do the reverse.

The mystery is only hard to solve due to the narrative, that's just bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876990
It's odd. The Kanon persona was created most likely due to Jessica, but it ends up being the reason why she has to die.
(in Shkanontrice's insane troll logic, of course)

Damn, if Jessica is innocent I sure hope she survives, or at the very least, smashes that damn maid.

Dohohohoho, my Captcha: Gilded Birdcage

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876984
Yeah, but once you accept ShKanontrice, what's stopping you from also accepting Kumagilia, Ronoji and, well, EvaEVAtrice?
Meta world characters representing a different personality, like Beatrice.

You can really take this shit to infinity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876820

no way that was more like "oh god im fucked, oh damn thanks beato"

i just didn't feel he had any control over what he was doing and even giving erika the tape?

he was a big disappointment ever since 4 finished, lets remember he is incompetent as said in red

[Anonymous No.]

Guys..are you absolutely sure that Shannon was the servant Battler met 6 years ago?

[Anonymous No.]

>It's odd. The Kanon persona was created most likely due to Jessica, but it ends up being the reason why she has to die.

That's the problem i have with Shkannon.

Kanon's birth doesn't make any fucking sense

"lol she created him because she loved Jessica"
bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877016
Plus he's apparently supporting his family's murderer because she had LOVE! (applause) as a motive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877021
How stupid. It was obviously Beatrice/Jessica/Rosa disguised cunningly as Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877016
There are hints throughout the episode that the logic error was planned from the start. He did it and pretended to be stuck so Beatrice would awaken.

Did you forget all about the last seed of hope scene?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877014
You know what stop you?
The fucking game itself and the story it's trying to tell.
If you aren't completely stupid, you can see the story that is being drawn, what R07 wants to tell you, how the characters were developed, the themes that were presented.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877032
Seed of hope?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877016
>>5877016

It's on purpose man. Battler's got that shit covered. He was betting with shitty cards and he knows it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877022
As always, Jessica is the major wrong note in Shkanontrice. Still, Shkanontrice is the truth.
>>5877021
Well, barring Jessica and Shannon switching places on that fateful day, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877021

Well, she's the only one that makes sense.. It can't be Jessica, Genji, Kumasawa, all the parents, George, who is left?

You can't introduce a random servant because

# It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not PRESENTED...!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877022
Are you trying to say that Kanon was dead with that screenshot? Why don't you look at the red. How could Kanon possibly have been dead? How could he have died?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877014

No, you can't. It's the whole point of Knox's 8th - theorizing about Shkanontrice is valid because there's plenty of evidence that would suggest it, whereas all of what you suggested there is baseless speculation not supported by the story that we can rule out immediately.

>>5877021
Once again, Knox's 8th. Can you present any strong clues that would suggest to the contrary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877022
She created the Kanon personality as a defense mechanism for the trauma she experienced. Notice how Kanon is always trying to protect her and keep her from getting close to others? Defense mechanism. Kanon is her aggressive side.

That's how split personalities work.

[Anonymous No.]

Keep reading that scene, she doesn't remember the supposed conversation with Battler that George was envious of.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, with Shkanon there's room for an unknown 17th person. The only problem here would be EP6's "everyone else".

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877057
You know what Shannon says when she's at the shrine breaking the mirror?
Something like "up until this point, the part of me that sided with me and the part that opposed the witch were locked in a constant battle"
dohohoho

Okay that's probably nothing close to what phrasing she uses but the whole "two sides of herself" was the gist of it.

[Anonymous No.]

So back to Kyrie.

She's probably the one who planned the murder game. I say this mainly because she was the only one to gain from choosing her resting place, Krauss's office. Now, you could argue that Krauss hid/burned his incriminating shit before his family arrived, but I don't think so. That sort of thing is entirely way too much effort for a 2 day conference, and a room he was going to keep locked at all times anyway. Plus he's kinda dim.

Why would Kyrie want his dirt? Blackmail duh, or my personal favorite, she's a collector/hitman from Krauss's shady friends. They're her friends too!

Sumadera's seem like a goddamn Yakuza family anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877049
>>5877062

forgot to reply

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877057
Shannon's still pretty shit tier, I must say.
Seriously, all those damn murders in such a fashion, the motive could really matter less, it's just too cruel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5875658
except the fags that love butt hurt.

[Anonymous No.]

>She created
>That's how split personalities work.
>created

Not really, DID doesn't work like that.

Otherwise /jp/ would be full of people with 3 personalities each

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876909
I disagree. Sorry, but you shkannontricefags may be able to reasonably explain some of the shit that goes on in Rokkenjima, but people seem to completely ignore 1998. Only one character is suspicious enough and connected to Ange and Battler to have planned the whole thing with the bank notes and return-to-sender letters, and that person is Kyrie. Possible cooperation with Rudolf, that's up in the air, but Kyrie is Umineko's Takano - even if all the other arcs had Keiichi, Rena, Shion etc as killers, there was only one true mastermind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877062
Shannon should easily be able to remember such a conversation, even it isn't this one. Why? In an earlier episode she easily remembers Battler's pony promise.

So an argument like "she didn't remember it, so it didn't happen" doesn't work. She was just caught up in the heat of the moment and George went on before she could think too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877065
You really don't get it, do you? You realize Ryuukishi was mocking people like you with the whole Purupurupikoman thing, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877076
She's too busy being dead half the time to be the mastermind. I like Kyrie too, but she's a STANDARD red herring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877076

I'm waiting for his glorious troll face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877075
No one in /jp experiences any real traumas. Being ignored in school and being a social outcast is nothing.

A real trauma would be being raped by a madman for 6 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877078
That's exactly it...why doesn't she remember that conversation with Battler? She should have been able to talk to George about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Kyrie is Takano.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877078
There's also the possibility that Shannon lacks some memories she used to have. She gave those memories to Beatrice. There's also the possibility that Shannon isn't even in control of the body when we think she is and thus her memory doesn't match up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877100

I wonder what the "18 years thing was.."

Maybe she knows Battler his her son?

[Anonymous No.]

Well, I maintain that there are three factions.

Team On Second Thought Perhaps I Should Have Stayed Home, they are Battler, Gohda, and all the other innocent characters

Team Batshit Crazy, they are Shkanonlanondingdong, Jessica, and the servants.

and Team Troll, they are Hideyoshi, Kyrie, Rosa, possibly more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877097
More like five years, hombre, and take off another two for his terminal illness. I love how people accept it as fact that it happened to her, without considering the whole of everything.

Were Kinzo to really view Sayo as Beato, wouldn't she just be kept in Kuwadorian? Moreso, Sayo was BFFs with Jessica and courted by George for those 5 years as well.

The answer of Kinzorape is far too simple.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the last thing I want is for tha tkappa to stay behind me.

[Anonymous No.]

Question: Why does everyone deny Shkannon when it's pretty much confirmed in episode 6. This isn't the third arc, it's a core arc, an answer arc. Trolling this far into the story would just be stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877067

i remember in ep 1 or 2 rosa and kyrie talking like bros, i wouldn't be shocked if either were involved in the murder game

we'd just need as much of an answer the same way we got shkannon right in our face in 6 for it to be plausible

[Anonymous No.]

What's with R07 and "dancing a rondo"?

I just noticed it was in episode 2 as well.

[Anonymous No.]

Higurashi TIP about dual personalities

"Although they appear a lot in movies, in simple terms, just what exactly are they?"
"They are believed to be a form of escape through having multiple personalities."
"Multiple personality disorders are a form of escape?"

"That's correct. Although we're still not clear about how the mechanism works, it is believed that perhaps they are a defensive measure taken by the brain in order to protect the mind."

"For example, there are some poor people would imagine themselves to be rich as a form of escape from reality, right? Are those considered to be multiple personality disorders as well?"
"We can't be absolutely certain, but in a wide sense, that would be the explanation. In other words, this is a phenomenon that's possible with anyone,"

"And when that escape from reality becomes indiscriminative, does it become a dual personality?"
"...That's a little difficult to say.... While there are some who advocate that theory, there are also others who deny it. It's still a topic under debate."

"Then for the field of psychiatry, multiple personality disorder is still a largely unknown and unexplained phenomenon?"
"Unfortunately, yes. We can expect more findings from future researches."

"But but~, dual personalities sounds kind of cool, don't you think~!? What kind of people can get dual personality disorders?"

"Rather than 'can get'..., maybe it's better to call it 'easier to get'.... According to recent researches, they're deeply involved with genetics as well as psychogenesis.... And among them, it is said that perhaps childhood abuse plays a particularly significant role in their development."
"Speaking of which, this A-kun has also suffered from child abuse too, didn't he~. Poor child~...."

[Anonymous No.]

so when is ep7?

[Anonymous No.]

>This is one of those creaky, old-fashioned Brit mysteries featuring Satanism, spinsters, a GOLDEN HAG, automatons, amputees, impostors and false claimants, fright masks, Thumbographs, and escapes from the Titanic. Even so, I can't recommend it unreservedly. I have a feeling Carr might be the poor man's Wilkie Collins. What I can recommend unreservedly is the terrific purple cover art.

>Golden Age mystery
>Often involves disproving supernatural elements through brilliant deduction
>Often creepy
>LOCKED ROOMS. LOCKED ROOMS EVERYWHERE.

I'm on to you Ryukishi you motherfucker. Forget Dine, forget Knox. I'm pretty sure you know that John Dickson Carr is where it's at.

I'll use these books to carve the heart out of your tale motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877120
People deny it because it's a tad bit silly.
I rather like the fact that Jessica bats for the other team, so I just take it easy.

[Anonymous No.]

It's actually Shkinanontrice. Kinzo rapes Beatrice inside their mind constantly. He has violated her in literally any position he could think of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877134
You have like 2 days to do so. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877120
Question: Why does half of /jp/ blindly accept Shkanon and stop thinking, even when Ryu whines to us about his readers and how they don't care to think? Plus, there are a million and one holes in it, far too many to just think it's the only answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877147
More like 8

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877153
I use "like 2" for any generally short period. Ignore that.

[Anonymous No.]

Which show is popular among Japanese kids?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877152
>Thinking they've stopped thinking

EP6 purposely avoids saying it despite making it obvious. You can't reach the conclusion without thinking. If you think putting together all the foreshadowing in EP1-4 and EP6 is "stop thinking" then you're the one who's stopped.

[Anonymous No.]

>my face when Ryukushi reveals an even sillier aspect to the story in episode 7
Seriously guys, I think we're at the precipice of even more stupidity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877136

not to mention shannon and kanon are shit characters because theyre developed wrong or just too little info, you don't see them as anything else but being servants their entire lives

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877152
He is insulting you.
Nobody is blindly accepting shkanon. People that accept it are now finding the reasons and looking through the hints to make it not retarded.

The stupid retarded readers that couldnt even get it even after his confession are who he is really insulting. There is a reason why he repeated "without love it can't be seen" for like 100000000000times in ep6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877152
Saying people have stopped thinking is a bit stupid considering we still have these threads where we think and discuss every day.

Sure. We keep thinking. Does this mean we "think" by "denying Shkanon" like you want us to? No. The more we think the more Shkanon is clear, the more evidence it has, the more we learn about its consequences. The real people who stopped thinking decided Shkanon couldn't possibly be true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877049

You are now realizing that he could also tell Asumu - and thus he realizes that he is actually dead and inside a story she is writing, wishing for him to ressurect.

Somehow Umineko is hard to solve without at least partial wincest.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, things to look forward to in episode 7.

The resolution of just what is up with Jessica, Kyrie's yandere antics, the damned maid being torn to bits by Bern, and Richter Belmont trolling Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877176
Even if this story was called a confession, there's nothing to say that you still can't still be misled. Shkanon is part of the answer, but not the entire deal. It's rather difficult to solve this on hard facts alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877136
Sounds alot like Ange in episode 4. The scene where "Without love, it cannot be seen" came up.

>>5877152
What Ryukishi might mean is blindly accepting Shkannontrice without thinking. Hell, just denying it while tons of things are pointing to it is just as bad.

Post some contradictions to the Skannon(trice) theory, if you can.

[Anonymous No.]

I think what Ryukishi wants to happen is, if you accept Shkanon, you have to take it to its logical conclusion and apply it to all the games and spot where it changes things. This obliges you to find out just what the fuck Hideyoshi's deal is.

I still think his family was wiped out by Kinzo and he's searching for revenge. No basis save the comment about losing his family, but it's a nice motive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877196
I'm a big fan of "Things that CAN'T be seen without love"

Seriously, I ain't gonna feel for the mass murderer, even more so when it's increasingly clear that kakeras don't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877193
I agree with that. Shkanon isn't the entire answer, but part of it. But if you continue to deny it then your theories will go nowhere.

Say there's a maze of doors. Shkanon is the first door and Ryukishi07 is telling us to start here with EP6. Entering that door is part of the finding the truth. The people who insist Shkanon is false refuse to enter the door so they make no progress.

Denying Shkanon at this point is a waste of time. Time that could be better spent using it to solve the mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877196
First and foremost, DID does not work that way. In Matsuribayashi, Ryu proved that he knows shit about psychopathology - in this case, the disorder is portrayed very wrongly. Basically, at the moment when the personalites get know about each other, the whole person crashes down for a few weeks, one of the personalites(the mostly subconsious one) is destroyed, yet another one can come later to fill the role of said persons subconsious needs.

For most of other issues, someone post those pics with Natsuhi explaining and Kinzo coming up with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877210
If you apply Shkanontrice to the first episode, Jessica, Nanjo, and Hideyoshi will immediately be on your shit list.

Nanjo makes sense, money for his dying granddaughter(Although in the end, she still died, his deceit was in vain), Hideyoshi COULD be revenge but I see him a bit more practical than that, but Jessica... well, she's the missing link. I can't possibly see a motive of any kind for her, and yet.... Well...

[Anonymous No.]

Im going too love it when all these theories have nothing too do with anything, and its really all about witches, love, action and magic and trolling. and Bern will be the troll master in ep7 , with kinzo fucking shit up with summon magic. summoning dragons and shit all over the place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877213

I think understanding the murderer would be very useful. Most murders aren't done out of greed or logical calculation, this way you can see why they kill the people they do, and what happens when they fuck up. If you know the character well enough, you can predict what he's gonna do. I think most of the previous EPs were clusterfucks of some sort. Understanding the murderers gives you a chance to unknot them. That's what I took from"love".

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877229
Uh.. Bern is the opposite of that. The goal of Bern's game will be tear away the illusion and expose the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877241
she is a troll, she doesn't care as long as shes having fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877238
There is a critical difference between UNDERSTANDING the murderer and LIKING the murderer.

I UNDERSTAND Shkanontrice, all too well I understand her, but I also DESPISE her.

The issue is that if Meta-Battler is anything to judge by, we should be bowing down and singing her praises.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877225

What if we take a central basis of her character and reverse it? That's the way most twists are done anyway. What if she really really really wants to be the head? I don't have evidence readily at hand for this sadly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876535
>>5876535
>>5876535

Wow.....I'm not retarded ALL the time.
Can't you people see that
Shkanon true =/= culprit =/= umineko being shit

If you want to deny Shkanon, best way is to create an ALTERNATE truth like r07 told you to in 5.
Then maybe it'll get to him and then he would change his story to suit you beause you're 20000x smarter and have no life thus spent too much time on this one novel. Or maybe he already thought of a non-shkanontrice end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877247
Bern's satisfaction comes from exposing people's weakness.

See Bernkastel destroying Natsuhi's illusion that she spoke with Kinzo. Umineko is surrounded with misfortune and tragedy with the witch's illusion protecting it. Bernkastel will be all about destroying that illusion and showing everybody the harsh truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877253
>THAT WAS MY ANSWER AS A MAIDEN. AND THIS IS MY ANSWER AS THE FAMILY HEAD.

She does feel some kind of responsibility for the family as a whole, at the very least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877253
Kinzo's rant at the beginning is very much ironic, so perhaps you could be on to something.


At one part, he says GEORGE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A MAN, which is demonstrably false.

Although Jessica is the heiress apparent, and while her husband would be the next head, she has no motives to kill everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>Hideyoshi COULD be revenge but I see him a bit more practical than that

I actually don't get how Hideyoshi would let Sayo massacre his family

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877241
You sir did not read ep5 or you're just a FUCKING RETARDED FAG.
BERN NEVER REACHED THE TRUTH DOESN'T REALLY WANT TO EITHER.
BERN NEVER TRIES TO REACH THE TRUTH IN 5, SHE CREATES A PASSABLE LIE WITH NATSUHI AS CULPRIT.
BERN ONLY WANTS TO TROLL PEOPLE CAUSE SHE'S A BITCH LIKE THAT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877276
>>5877277

What if she really IS a hardcore lesbian feminist who doesn't want to get married? She wants to be the head. Period. The Ushiromiyas are very biased family after all. Hell, Kyrie's not immune to this even though she's fucking scary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877276
Man, I want Jessica to survive, and I want her to be innocent, but that's more or less impossible at this point.

Nonetheless, I WANT TO BELIEVE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877275
The EP7 description even talks about destroying the illusion created by love.

[Anonymous No.]

As someone stated before, no matter what Ryu07 shows us, THERE. WILL. BE. ASSPAIN. Tons of it. And that's why I like Umineko. Biggest trollfest ever created.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877292
>hardcore lesbian feminist
TELLING YA MAN
IT'S A FUCKING CONSPIRACY
FUCKING LESBIANS, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877277
>George doesn't know what it means to be a man
Putting aside all the dumb fat jokes, before character development, he really didn't. It's why Gaap was so surprised by his answer of "Everyone else's lives" in Episode 4 - she thought he would choose "My life."

[Anonymous No.]

why so capslock

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877289

If we take the assumption that Hideyoshi would preserve his family than this leads us to their murder as the work of another. This also means that each episode is a clusterfuck since nothing goes as planned (another theme in John Dickson Carr's books. HMMMM.).

I'd keep a close eye on Hideyoshi whenever one of his family is killed and he's not.

[Anonymous No.]

Even if shkanon is true "staker" doesn't mean that she's the person who is "culprit". Could be that duesher kinzo set up a bomb before he died, therefore the culprit as he "assures everyone's death"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877303
ACTUALLY I JUST HAVE THE SHIFT KEY JAMMED> SEE?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877294
I hate to say this, but at this point thematically, Jessica being the other Battler makes much more sense than it should.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877300

Shit we're on to something.

Kyrie, Rosa, and Jessica.

Team 3: HARDCORE LESBIAN FEMINISTS

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877291
You're a moron. Go back and reread the EP6 witch tea party.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877294
I now realized that I might have just fallen in love with Jessica's premise.

If she is a clueless moralfag, I am satisfied.
If she is a deep-in tragic heroine, I am satisfied.
If she is the mastermind or even Beatrice herself, I am satisfied.

Then again, I wouldn't put it past Ryukushi to troll me even on this point

>captcha: classroom, cementing

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877323
So Bern kicks a cat and admits that she's a monster aka troll?

[Anonymous No.]

Would anyone happen to have a link to the the interview where Ryu said he wouldn't make this tale into a love triangle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877229
This, its going too be the same with higurashi, in the end , its just all about happiness,love action, will and a deep ending in which you don't really know what is coming next, which will somehow connect and add on too his next work., just how uiemko connects too higurashi. its gonna be a big universe.

[Anonymous No.]

Can't we all just get along and say sakutaro did it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877328
IS THE GAY CAT IN THE BOX EVIL OR GOOD?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877329

And she has a deal with AuAu to show answers. Probably not all the answers, but some at least.

It would be pretty funny if Battler isn't even in this episode. He's happily married after all, and Bern's just doing this behind his back. Hence no meta world battles this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877321
More like 'three of a kind'. Ryu actually quotes Shakespeare fairly often, though in rather unknown parts, I wouldn't quite put Scottish Play themes in Umineko past him.
I thought it's gotta be Jessica(Beato, a virgin), Eva(Evatrice, a mother) and Kumasawa(Virgilia, a granny), but I guess different interpretations are there, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877333
Now that I think back. Higurashi was pretty stupid in that R07 would have had a series with no witches, gods, and magical bs. But choose the magic path instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877333
>honestly believing EP7 will be about love

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877356
<G o o d !>, but you might want to add that Jessica is interchangable with shkanontrice.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys are dumb.

Shannon is a perfectly normal 16 year old maid. Kanon is a perfectly normal 16 year old maid. There is nothing suspicious about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877373
Shakespeare loved traps, yes, but he also claimed that traps, however fun they are, shouldn't have anything to do with killings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877379
OBJECTION!
Kanon is a buttler
Maid only if he's shkanon

[Anonymous No.]

Take that you lowly humans.

[Anonymous No.]

I find this "DID DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT" argument hilarious. How scientific do you really think psychology is? Illnesses are only defined by observed trends in symptoms. Mental illnesses constantly fall in and out of definition. Psychologists argue over what illnesses really exist and what they should be called and whether two illnesses are the same. Every mind is different. Not every case of DID has to follow the textbook definition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877410
Second this motion. Remember that retarded ass fictional virus from other story by that fag?

The way it went was, hey niggers there was a clue for it so using a totally made up shit is oK!

[Anonymous No.]

You guys aren't thinking out of the box, I think the metaworld plays a much bigger part then you guys think and are relying on the fact that is inst real. well if it inst real, then who is really bern?, who is really 34?, Why do they talk about playing in other games, that basically have too do with higurashi and 34s past. The meta world is very real and makes the story seem deeper and creates a bigger universe, much like how nasu does it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877431
For readers who don't believe in magic. Bern/34 only represent concepts of miracles and absoluteness. Aka Erika was on the board aka real world, but bern was not. bern existed only as a probably of Erika surviving the boat fall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877431

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877456
thats retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877465
sorry, I really don't come into too these threads because im not a theoryfag, so i stand by my beliefs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877410
That's actually rather irrelevant, since none of the symptoms shown by Shkanon match any of the symptoms that there have been discovered in real life (i.e. assuming DID actually exists).

Just because the illness hasn't been fully understood doesn't mean you can just make up symptoms and use it in what is supposed to be a detective novel. In fact, using something like DID, which hasn't been fully understood or agreed by scientists as something that actually exists, if you ask me, is a rather bad idea.

[Jessica No.]

SO THERE I WAS, BEING JESSICA, AND KANON, WHO I DIDN'T KNOW PERHAPS MAYBE WAS SHANNON, WAS ALL I LIKE YOU MILADY

SO I PLAYED MY GUITAR AND DID A COPIOUS AMOUNT OF COCAINE

AND THEN KANON STABBED ME IN THE BACK, AND I GOT THIS TOTALLY AWESOME HIGH FROM EXCESSIVE BLOOD LOSS, SHIT WAS SO CASH

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877522

[Anonymous No.]

This is kind of off the beaten path, but I've been thinking about the epitaph lately. I've seen some interesting solutions to it, but I got it in my head the other day that there might be something simpler about it.

Sadly, I didn't get far, but a few things jumped out at me- there is an island in the Izu Island archipelago named 'Hachijojima'. Also, one of the smaller islands is called Oshima, on which you would find Oshima Village.

The family's yearly journey to Rokkenjima might be symbolic of the 'sweetfish river', since each year they head out to the ocean, but then return to their homes (remember, none of them were actually born on Rokkenjima).

Is this an old idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877431


I want to know the stories behind Lambda and Featherine

[Anonymous No.]

Bern and Lambda are concept that were introduced by Hachijou to start the whole game.
Hachijou wrote Higurashi in the Umineko world, whoever "create" the Meta-world most likely has some connection with Hachijou and it's even possible that Hachijou is the one who made him/her start this whole game.
Hachijou probably made that person read lots of mystery novel to give them ideas to create all these closed rooms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877648
Although it's possible that Hachijou doesn't have a connection.
Then it would simply be that both Bern and Lambda are universal concepts found in mystery novels.
Hachijou who is a writer is of course superior to them and can use them in her stories.

Why they look that way? The person who create the meta-world may simply have read Higurashi and liked it a little too much.

[Anonymous No.]

Since the dotted truth says it, there can be no doubt. The mysterious red-confounding corpse of Jessica's was actually just poor old Beato who Jessica killed in a rage. A more docile Beato who comes to the family conference simply for her inheritance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877320
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. After that one scene in EP6 I looked back to 5 and some other hints and was like holy shit, it's tenuous, but it does have some premise. Could explain lez Jess as well, what with her being the 'Battler' who broke the promise and why our Battler doesn't remember shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877356
I had a theory a long time ago, like back before 5 and 6, that I'm not sure how much water it holds anymore, but...Kumasawa is a servant who's been on the island as long as Genji and as long as Nanjo and Kinzo have been friends. She's not an eagle servant and she doesn't seem to appear in any Kinzo scenes even though the aforementioned who go way back with him always do. Genji and Kumasawa = Ronove and Virgilia, strongly hinted as having taken care of the EP3 Li'l Beato who Virgilia calls 'princess', the one who broke 'grandfather's' vase, etc...but she wasn't the original Beatrice. Virgilia was Beatrice to her in that scene, and Virgilia was the 'original Beatrice'. It would make some serious-ass sense if Kumasawa was Kinzo's original love, the original Beatrice, especially considering how suspiciously much she knows about the old legends of the island and whatnot.

But she is never present in any Kinzo scenes. Why? Kinzo is obsessed with his memory of the young and beautiful blonde, blue-eyed witch, and is blinded to the truth. Beatrice even says to him a few times in EP2 (when he can't see her and is raving at the portrait) "even though I'm right here, you can't see me", IE without love it can't be seen, etc etc etc...

I don't know if there are any FMAfags here, but I remember back to that filler episode in the first series where the mad alchemist was making clone dolls of his beloved who he thought died, but as it turned out was still alive, had lost and later regained her memory, but she was an old hag by then and he was too blinded and stupefied by her past beauty to recognize the truth that she was there by his side all along. I think this theory holds at least some water, and it can't be denied that Kumasawa is holding one of the keys - she's too fucking mysterious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877747
Well shit...was this taken after Kanon went missing? (not implying shkanontrice)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877882
After we are shown Kanon dying but before it's discovered by the others.

Does anyone know what the situation with the phones is? They are cut off from the outside, but sometimes they work on the inside. Maybe they always work on the inside but the culprits pretend they don't work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877904
Thanks.

Can't confirm it for sure, but Genji and the others probably lie and say they don't work, so everyone assumes it's true. I think this happened with the case where Natsuhi and the cousins were in the study and the phonecall with Maria singing was heard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877648
>>5877683

see>>5877630

Basically, "Is the meta-world a reflection of our reality? Or is our reality a reflection of the meta world?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877871
I suspect this is true as well. Kumasawa has worked for Kinzo for a long time, but claims to have only heard of Beatrice second-hand from Kinzo. But she was trusted enough to look after Beatrice #2 in Kuwadorian. Thus, it is probably safe to say that the original Beatrice had 'died' prior to Kumasawa coming to work for Kinzo.

What sparks my interest is the fact that Virgilia was the magic teacher of the current Beatrice, who referred to Kinzo as 'Grandfather'... If that was Beato #2 talking, the grandfather reference doesn't make sense, since she didn't have a paternal relationship with him- she just calls him Kinzo. And honestly, if one of the servants, even a child, called her employer Grandfather, I'm pretty sure Natsuhi or Eva would burst a blood vessel.

So...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5876516
Remember how Battler reached the truth? Don't stop thinking. Never stop thinking.
You'll never reach the truth if you stop thinking, you'll just think:
"Well, this theory is right. No need to discuss what possible flaws may be in it or discuss what strong points it has"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5878346
It's possible that the 'grandfather' thing was pre-whatever-mistake-Kinzo-made (be it the popular rape theory or otherwise, he rants in EP2 about how he regrets his mistake), and so the whole rough-speaking Beato who doesn't use honorifics came after that. Possible evidence in the fact that Li'l Beato was a great little magic student until [something], and Virgilia's remarked on how she didn't imagine she'd go down the path to the bad type of magic. Might also connect Beato to Maria and why they're so close, since we know Maria's diary showed evidence of her going from good magic to bad.

Grandfather probably isn't literal, either, and my personal theory is that it probably has to do with Fukuin House. EP6 right before Shannon and Kanon's duel was something interesting like that, too, about it being 'father's' sin, one possible interpretation being that it refers to Kinzo, or just in general that the Fukuin kids look at their caretakers as real parents. Kinda like how Shannon and Kanon are 'brother and sister' after all (whether Shkannon is true or not, them referring to each other that way can be a clue).

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877871

I too suspect Kumasawa is up to something

In ep V they reveal she always find an excuse for not working of the day of the family conference, but this year she didn't..

[Anonymous No.]

>>5879692

I'm going to shit bricks if Kumasawa turns out to have a one winged eagle right thigh. She covers up too damn much anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5877100
I get it. Kyrie is both Lambdadelta and Bernkastel's piece. What do Lambdadelta and Bernkastel do to Beatrice in the meta world? Maliciously take over Beatrice's game and screw it up.

Kyrie is the one who takes over Beatrice's harmless fake murder game and turns it into a real murder game.

[Anonymous No.]

requesting that picture where Battler and George find both Shannon and Jessica on the bed

[Anonymous No.]

>>5880669
Here you go, props to whoever drew that.

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread