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/jp/ how many Kanji do I need to know before I'm able to understand VNs?

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>>5762534
9

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1000-1500 for modern slice of life, double that for any sci-fi/psychology/physics/whatever that's not everyday stuff games.

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>>5762534
All of them.

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There's a list of like "the most common Kanji" and there's like 1,000 of them. Memorize that and you should be able to play most basic VNs, shit like Umineko and Gore Screaming Show will be more difficult because they sometimes use difficult Kanji, but you should understand like 99%

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Learn the 1,000 most common ones (tree, dog, person, etc..) plus some extra ones for standard VNs. VNs that rely on heavy terminology like Umineko and Light Novels like Index and SnS require 2000+.

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Depends on whether you use AGTH. With it, you technically don't need to know any, as long as you master the grammar well. However, for every common kanji you learn, it gets a lot less frustrating. Particularly the 1000 first, most of them are extremely useful to know well.

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Kanji are not that much of a problem

The way Japanese build up their sentences gives me a lot of trouble.

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>>5762546
That's kinda futile. If a VN has a lot of specific terminology, like scientific stuff, you should just read it and look those up. No need to go through 3000 kanji until you encounter the group of 50 kanji used to describe things related to spaceships or something like that.

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three - pleasure, cumming, inside

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>>5762599
You just have to get used to it, man. Read all of http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar if you haven't already, and make sure it all sticks, then read more eroge. Eventually it starts coming naturally, and you don't even have to think about it.

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>>5762621
well, most of the more difficult vns do use advanced terminology that is used in everyday life and so on. While not being terribly specific like for spaceship things, it is difficult to understand.

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Not to hijack your thread, but what about manga like touhou doujinshi? I guess it differs from circle to circle, but less challenging then a vn, no?

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>>5762588
Neat, mind sharing what your setup is here? How do you get the furigana to automatically show up? I suppose you can use rikaichan on top of that too?

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>>5762622
Sweet I'm 2/3 of the way there

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>>5762655
If we're talking Touhou porn, it's very easy. Some don't even require you to know any Kanji. H-doujins in general are easy to read as the dialog varies little and for some reason a lot of artists stray from using too many Kanji or really uncommon ones.

If we're talking non pornographic Touhou doujins...that depends on the artist but will be more difficult than H doujins. Make sure you know the Kanji for bullet, rabbit, frog, baka, moon, gap, youkai, etc...

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>>5762648
I'm still kinda opposed to grinding beyond the 2000. Even Japanese people don't normally do that. Sure, they're expected to know about them, but that's because they eventually encounter them and learn them from that, they don't study beyond the first 2000 in school.

Basically, if you have to look up one or more kanji each sentence, you'll probably want to sit down and grind some more, that'd be a lot less overwhelming than trying to learn 8 kanji per sentence. But it's not dangerous if you just encounter one once in a while. When you're not fluent in a language, you have to accept that you must look up some things once in a while, for at least a few years.

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I see non-jouyou kanji used all the time, so that means 2000+

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>>5762697
This, normal VNs don't require grinding beyond high school level. Most adults only know around 2000, some survey I read a while back when I was planning on taking the proficiency test said less than 10% of Japanese know more than 2500 Kanji. Learn about 2000 and you can play any VN, learn around 800 and you can play 90% of VNs. Shit with difficult Kanji like Umineko and such requires almost everyone to do research, even people fluent in Japanese don't know the Kanji for Belphegor.

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>>5762659
AGTH (obviously)
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http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75958
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Rikaichan

Though I rarely bother reading the furigana, I just use it for the automatic pasting into firefox, which lets me use rikaichan to look up words, rather than the JWPce dictionary.

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>>5762751
Belphegor has kanji? Isn't it, you know, written in katakana

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Umineko is pretty easy to read, it just has the occasional weird kanji, but you remember them quickly.

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Whats the best way to learn?

Gring first grader kanji in anki until I can remember them. Then add the next bulk?

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>>5762655

I'm more curious about the artist.

Not that the thread isn't informational, it is.

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>>5762802
I tried that. It was nice to have the first bulk down, but it got a little too hard after that, considering I wanted to get them down fast. Remember that each of the bulks are supposed to be studied over one year by Japanese students. That's a long fucking time to carve them into your bones so you'll never forget them. Imagine, a year for 80 kanji, what luxury.

Anyway, after getting halfway through second bulk, I started mixing up and forgetting a lot of them and gave up. Went over to http://kanjidamage.com/, and never turned back.

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>>5762802

Easier to learn by radical (see kanjidamage)

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>>5762860
>>5762866
will try that.

Given I can spend 1 hour/day.
How long until I can play GSS without looking up every second letter?

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>>5762906

It depends, it will take you about 5 months if you do 10 kanji per day. Some people blaze through it though by spending more time on it. The more you do per day the worse your retention is, so you shouldn't do too many.

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>Think about it like this: if kanji really DID look like the things that they describe, you'd have to memorize 2,000 complicated drawings that had nothing in common with each other. But with radicals, all you got to do is learn around 200 simple shapes and you can draw and read almost all kanji - which was exactly the intention of kanji's inventors.

This gave me new hope

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>>5762923
He can do way more than 10 with an hour a day. That's like 6 minutes per kanji.

What I'd recommend if you're up for it, is speeding through 50 a day with kanjidicks and anki, ignoring readings and just briefly looking over compounds, and skipping any kanji with less than 3 stars in usefulness rating. That's one of the most effective things you can do if you just want to read as fast as possible. Everything else can be learned later, preferably while you're reading. Compounds stick much better if you encounter them while reading and already know already know the keyword for all the kanji in it. Just continue using AGTH and furigana inserter for readings.

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>>5762534
I was bored

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>>5763577

I noticed.