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So, appart from tsukomi and misunderstanding.

What else is japanese humor based on ?

>> No.5699297

Penises.

>> No.5699305
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5699305

This.

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>>5699297
like this ?

>> No.5699315

>>5699305
by this, you mean old stuff ?

>> No.5699337

The same as the rest, dark humour, dirty jokes.

>> No.5699347

the same thing western humor is based off.
like, randomness, puns, etc.

>> No.5699352

>>5699337
The Japanese are not good with ironic or dark humor. Especially situational irony.

Dry wit will almost always be superior to any equivalent slapstick joke in the long term, and the Japanese have not embraced that understanding, yet.

>> No.5699363

>>5699337
that's not what i mean.

when people say "british humor" the things that ultimately comes to mind is monty python, douglass adams, neil gaiman.

so what kind of humor is more specific to japan than others ?

>> No.5699370

>>5699352
that must be the reason why zero no tsukaima have 3 season.

>> No.5699386

>>5699370
No, that's just because they like shit.

>> No.5699401

>>5699337

Sometime in the 18th century, a puppeteer moonlighting as a robber is caught in the act and sentenced to death. A swordsmith is ordered to act as executioner.

Robber: Is it you who will cut me down?
Swordsmith: Yes. You must be ready to be cut alive as you have been sentenced.
Robber: In what way will you cut me?
Swordsmith: I shall cut you in the kesa style.
Robber: It is too cruel to be cut alive.
Swordsmith: It is all the same, before or after death.
Robber: If I had known then I would have swallowed some big stones to spoil your sword.

I don't get the joke.

>> No.5699399

>>5699386
>the joke
>your head

>> No.5699418

>>5699401
>i don't get the joke

well, it's because it's not that funny, but i do get it.
Or could it have been your point ?

well could've been funnier if i knew what kesa-style was or if the translation was better.

>> No.5699422

>>5699352

The Japanese not understanding irony is why almost none of their works deal with sociological themes.

It depresses me, especially considering the awful state of their society...

>> No.5699424

>>5699352
>Dry wit will almost always be superior to any equivalent slapstick joke in the long term, and the Japanese have not embraced that understanding, yet.

this, pretty much.
Normal humor: "Hey what's up?" "The sky, dude". Joke's delivered.
Japanese humor: "Hey what's up?" "The sky, dude" "I wasn't asking about that!" followed by slap or punch. Joke's delivered only then, if not it's incomplete.

>> No.5699425

>>5699399
You don't understand how humor works apparently.

Because
>the joke
>your head

>> No.5699437

>>5699424

God, how do they find this shit funny?

>> No.5699438

>>5699425
i just hoped that wasn't a joke due to the fact that you"re overdoing it.

or maybe you're resorting to the lolitrollu technique ?

>> No.5699461

>>5699424
well, the jap version is just a tsukomi version.

>> No.5699479

>>5699422
>>5699424
Societies that have suffered for centuries (lots of European countries have an underlying current of this, and the Irish in particular are appreciative) develop a bleak, bone-dry wit about depressing circumstances that other societies, like the Japanese in particular, don't understand.

Slavs are incredibly atrocious human beings, but Russian humor is incredibly amusing in how depressing it can be, but still bring a dark smile to your face when you "get" it. Military humor is like that, too.

The Japanese just don't "get" it, in that way, which is why most of them can't do depressing humor, or really humor that doesn't stem from anything other than slapstick roots.

>> No.5699490

>>5699291
multiple readings of the same characters, which i suppose leads back to the first two

>> No.5699501

>>5699490
isn't that simply a kind of wordplay ?
yes it is.

>> No.5699510

I don't see a problem with tsukkomi, just that it's overdone and like their only type of humor aside from pointless slapstick and 'lol ur in a dress but UR A BOYYYY' stuff.

>> No.5699517

>>5699418

It could also be because it isn't actually a joke. That is an actual recorded conversation between a prisoner and executioner trying to lighten up the mood. Apparently this stuff was quite common.

"Kesagiri" is a type of cut that enters at the left shoulder and exits at the right hip. It's not really part of the "joke".

>> No.5699568

>>5699517
it's too ironic to not be a joke.

it's like he's thinking "hah, i got you, eventhough you sliced me i damaged your sword. how foolish are you?" or some stuff.

>> No.5699587

>>5699568

Dead serious. This is what they actually said.

It's not really a joke, but it's some sort of attempt at humour at least.

>> No.5699602

>>5699517
The humor is that someone would regret not being able to at least inconvenience someone with their death, or make it interesting. Say a prisoner wants to be decked out with Christmas tree lights when they fire him up, so he can bring some holiday spirit to everybody watching.

>> No.5699605

>>5699587
yeah i understand how you consider it "not being a joke"

it is however at least an attempt to be a joke.
Or an unfinished one.

>> No.5699613

>>5699602

Ah. Now it's clicking into place.

>> No.5699642

>>5699613
This is one acceptable use of a pun:

"How about this for a headline for tomorrow's paper? 'French fries.'"

James French, before dying of electrocution.

Puns are only acceptable if they're used in a cruel context.

>> No.5699665

>>5699642
>Puns are only acceptable if they're used in a cruel context.

i beg to difer.

>> No.5699672

>>5699665
That's not how you spell differ.

>> No.5699669

>>5699605
>it is however at least an attempt to be a joke.
>Or an unfinished one.
It's also pretty situational. Of course reading it like that it sounds unfunny, but try being the robber, it takes a really light-hearted funny person to say things like "I hope some spurts of blood get on your dress" before dying.

>> No.5699679

>>5699642

"I'm sorry for the mistake, but this is the first time I've been beheaded." -Alexander Blackwell

>> No.5699683

>>5699669
i guess the "japanese kind of irony"

is mostly awkward situations, you can't really name it misunderstanding, but it's close to it.
It is also one kind of humor of theater.

>> No.5699691

>>5699679
"i'm going ahead" is probably what i'd say.

>> No.5699692

>>5699679
Yeah. Gallows humor is one of the most honest forms of humor you can be exposed to. You only get to die once, so it might as well be amusing, especially if it's disturbing.

>> No.5699710

>>5699479
>Slavs are incredibly atrocious human beings
I would be offended if I didn't hate both us and you so much.

>> No.5699733

>>5699710
Slavs know they're shitty, they just don't care. It's one of the more commendable qualities (the only one?) they have.

>> No.5699928

>>5699401
after re reading, the joke appear to be more based on the fact that he said
>Robber: If I had known then I would have swallowed some big stones to spoil your sword
even thought that wouldn't change his death.

hence it is deep and ironic.

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