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5678018 No.5678018 [Reply] [Original]

Since when were retroactive moves allowed?

>> No.5678022

Since Battler allowed it

>> No.5678095

The meta-world is a detective RPG game, and Erika is the worst kind of player, using such pathetic moves.

>> No.5678197

>>5678022

When?

>> No.5678202

>>5678095
Battler is just a shitty GM, any GM worth its salt would never allow a player to do this kind of shit.

>> No.5678206

>>5678197
When he gives Erika the seals again so she has a bit of red truth to use, she's crying and all.

>> No.5678208
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>>5678197
Somewhere along this lines.

>> No.5678316

>>5678206

? He allowed her to retroactively seal three doors, not retroactively do whatever she wants without him seeing it. Why can the GM suddenly not see the moves the player makes?

>> No.5678338

>>5678316
Because he is fucking dumb and created a logic error with the letter first. Then because he needs to rewrite the story, Erika can do it too.

>> No.5678348

>>5678208
fucking duct tape

>> No.5678367
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5678367

I personally thought allowing her do that kinda thing wasnt such a bad move.

Although progressing the game before she reported what she changed,that was pretty goddamn stupid of Battler. That "late report" crap was bullshit.

>> No.5678369

>>5678316
Yeah, I wondered about this too. Specifically with her killing all of the first twilight "victims" besides Battler, and locking the chain. Battler should have known about that shit.

>> No.5678376

>>5678095
I believe events went on like this.

ROKKENJIMA QUEST, EPISODE 1.
You're FURUDO ERIKA, a HUMAN AVATAR of the powerful witch and master troll BERNKASTEL. You are currently traveling by a LUXURY CRUISER in the vicinity of an isolated JAPANESE ISLAND where a FAMILY CONFERENCE is held.

Do you:
[ ] Try to sneak into the FAMILY CONFERENCE?
[ ] Try to find another LADY of HIGH SOCIAL STATUS to form a lesbian relationship?
[ ] Schlick with DUCT TAPE while fantasizing about your own ATTRACTIVE FEMININE BODY?
[ ] CONJURE the LEVIATHAN and conquer the SEVEN SEAS on your GIANT WHALE?

>jump into the lake
There is no LAKE in the VICINITY
>jump into the sea
Your BOAT crashes. You take the opportunity to JUMP into the SEA, drowning quickly. Do you want to retry?
>yes

ROKKENJIMA QUEST, EPISODE 2.
What do you do?
>jump into the sea
Your BOAT crashes. You take the opportunity to JUMP into the SEA, drowning quickly. Do you want to retry?
>yes

ROKKENJIMA QUEST, EPISODE 2.
What do you do?
>jump into the sea
...

>> No.5678378

>>5678369

Best theory I've heard is that he did, and the entirety of Ep6 was a troll on his part.

>> No.5678390

>>5678376

I'd totally play this.

>> No.5678400

>>5678378
Yeah, because he falsifies even his thoughts directed at us, right?

>> No.5678406

>>5678376
Put life jacket on.
Jump into the goddamn sea.

>> No.5678412

>>5678406
THE MIRACLE OCCURS

>> No.5678417

>>5678400

Beatrice did. Why not him?

Why does everyone accept everything we're told at face value nowadays?

>> No.5678435
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>>5678412
Alright, do this next.

>> No.5678437

>>5678417
We didn't follow Beatrice thoughts, except one flashback.

>> No.5678443
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5678443

In essence, ep 6 was like a calvinball match.

>> No.5678446

>>5678437

The narration described her thoughts and motivations in detail, back in Ep3. Turns out those were blatant lies.

It's the same thing. Battler is playing for the witch side now, he has no obligation to tell us the truth.

>> No.5678480

>>5678446
Yeah, narration. We almost didn't follow her thoughts when she refers to herself in the first person, like Battler.

>> No.5678483

>>5678446
Or maybe it was the truth but Beatrice double trolled.

>> No.5678488

>>5678480

We still shouldn't accept things at face value, especially when it comes from a person whose job it is to obfuscate the truth.

>> No.5678495

>>5678443

Pretty much. That entire game only makes sense as a farce done to revive Beato and prove to LD that he knows the rules of the game.

First of all, he should have known the solution to opening the door as well as Beato does. Theoretically, anyone could get through the window to do it. Shkannon just makes it less obvious.

Second, we have the duel between pieces and the GM which is used to create the first twilight. That's pretty random in itself.

And then, finally, we have all the BS that Erika pulls to create the Logic Error.

>> No.5678506

>>5678488
Obfuscate the truth to Erika or whoever is playing on the human side. Or is Battler being cautions about an imaginary reader who can hear his thoughts?

>> No.5678518

>>5678506

Wouldn't put it past Ryukushi.

Seriously, the line between whats shared knowledge in the game world and what's hidden is pretty hard to keep track of in Umineko.

>> No.5678526

>>5678506
>Or is Battler being cautions about an imaginary reader

He isn't, but Hachijou is.

>> No.5678527

>>5678488
He has absolutely no point in obfuscating things, because other side can't read his thoughts. Unless fucking Ryu decided to screw with us yet again.

>> No.5678538
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>>5678376
Makes me wish such a game existed.
I wonder if I should make use of my free time and write one..

>> No.5678566

>>5678526
Even then, there's a difference between being misleading and being inconsistent. A character should never be able to do something that is beyond his possibilities, even if this something is within the possibilities of his creator (and R07 himself should be aware of that, with all the things he has said about pieces in the game board).

>> No.5678616
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5678616

Goddamn, Battler was an idiot. Like, really, he's a dumb motherfucker.

THAT'S RIGHT, TRUST BERNKASTEL AND ERIKA. ERIKA IS CRYING, THAT MUST MEAN SHE'S NOT TRYING TO TROLL YOU. ERIKA AND BERN TROLLING? PERISH THE FUCKING THOUGHT.

>> No.5678632

You know, I wonder why no one else freaked out over confirmation that Juuza kills Ange on Rokkenjima. That's kind of a huge thing from Episode 6's ending that's gotten no attention.

>> No.5678651

>>5678616
Battler reverse-trolled them

>> No.5678654

>>5678632
A lot of people seem to think the end with Ange dying on the island were written by Tohya, and we haven't seen the actual event yet.

>> No.5678657

>>5678632
That's not a confirmation. We call that a "traitor shot", something that makes you THINK Juuza killed Ange but by no means confirms it.

All we can draw from that particular scene is that Okonogi wanted Juuza to kill Ange, we can't say that Juuza actually DID.

>> No.5678665
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>>5678616
Well, I think she was actually crying and Bern raging at first, but then they quickly realized that they can benefit from it and used it.

>> No.5678671

>>5678654
>>5678657

Interesting...

So, following that up logically, the Hachijo would have known that Amakusa was planning on killing her, or at least had orders to, and wrote the story as such.

So how did she know that...

Of course, I'm still lost on the whole existence that is Hachijo.

>> No.5678672

>>5678632
It didn't confirm anything, it was just hinted at. Juuza was talking quite openly about killing the goons and Kasumi and when Okonogi mentioned Ange, he was awfully indirect, he even unnecessarily displayed disdain towards her.

>> No.5678675

>>5678651
Genius Battler theory? That's nice, but Battler is clearly freaking the fuck out over being in the locked room and desperately trying to get out using futile measures, so I can't agree with that.

If, when Kanon showed up to saved Battler he was just chilling drinking a glass of Chianti, I might agree with you.

>> No.5678680

>>5678566

There's an opportunity Battler is trolling with his inner thoughts.
Remember when Erika was asking for the location of everyone in red? The "everybody" is pretty tricky itself, since Battler was willing to name each person in red (counting Kanon, obviously); yet he gave away the red truth with "everybody" thanks to Erika's insistence.

If Shkanon is true, then why were we shown this line of reasoning?

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5678695

They still eat delicious hamburgers with the tea at the end.

>> No.5678699

>>5678675

It was Hell. He put himself into Hell to create a miracle where Beatrice would Revive herself.

That's the theory, at least.

>> No.5678705

>>5678680
Because it isn't.

>> No.5678713

>>5678680

What's interesting her is that the trick only works if Battler would have been unable to say that Kanon is in the Cousin's Room.

So it had to have been a bluff.

>> No.5678765

>>5678680
Sure, it is a possibility. Doesn't explain why he would do that, though.

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