/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

I'm on episode 1-when does this shit stop being boring?

[Anonymous No.]

About 3 hours in.

[Anonymous No.]

slowly after the first twilight

[Anonymous No.]

>>5663975
I suggest you stop reading. It will get worse.

[Anonymous No.]

It trades boring with fucking stupid.

[Flee !!TRanvZl56g3 No.]

It's a slow start.

Like any book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5663986
Stop reading shit books.

[Flee !!TRanvZl56g3 No.]

>>5663992

What books do you recommend, then, O pretentious one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5663978

>second

For the first two episodes, the second twilight is when things pick up and don't slow down again.

Also, for the most part, Umineko gets progressively more entertaining and interesting as it goes on. Despite some writing inconsistencies. Boring parts never completely vanish (save for episode 4, which was awesome throughout), but they become much fewer and father between.

>>5663980

This guy is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5663999
I'm not here to spoonfeed you, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664005
>>save for episode 4, which was awesome throughout

Awesome trolling, 10/10

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5663999

Hyperion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664005
>gets progressively more stupid and ridiculous as it goes on

I still laugh at faggots that don't realize where the story is going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664011
Actually it's people who realize where the story is going who also realize how fucking stupid the whole thing is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664008

General consensus just happens to be shit this time around.

I was expecting a serious borefest considering how much people bitch about the Ange/Maria stuff and how boring Umineko can get at times, but Episode 4 was the only episode that never even once had me wishing that it would just get back to the interesting stuff/people already.

[Anonymous No.]

Without autism it can't be read.

[Flee !!TRanvZl56g3 No.]

>>5664006

>unable to quote a few books
>is still able to reply to me
>obvious signs of narcissism he can't back up

Leave the thread, kid. You're a bit dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664016
Yes sir, that is my point. Notice how I fixed his statement in the quote.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664005
>save for episode 4, which was awesome throughout
>implying that Ange's story wasn't the most boring shit ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664005
>the second twilight is when things pick up
What? You didn't like FUCKING GOLDEN SLAUGHTERER in the shed? And the scene with receipt is pretty cool too imo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664030
He is trolling. I dont believe there is anyone on earth that think umineko get progressively better or maybe he just haven't read ep5/6. Even the most hardcore 07th fanboys will have a hard time defending his newest works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664030
If you are normalfag with adhd, then maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664039
>his opinion is different, he's obviously trolling

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664030
What? How can you hate Ange? ;_;

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5664053

Akasuma does, which is why he lets her get filled with lead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664053
I don't hate Ange personally, but her story in episode 4 was done in the most boring and bland way.
It's not a question of ADD or whatever, simply that R07 dropped the ball when he wrote it and did it in a pretty shitty way.

This guy should get an editor, seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm at episode 1 too, and the first two hours or so was pretty boring and interesting at the same time, I hated maria. When people started dying It became interesting and i started to really get into it. KIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI [/spolier]

But now i'm at the part where they are going to go reunite with the 4 others natsuhi forced out of the room, because she thought they were the ones who place the letter on the desk

also, Kinzo's death... holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664030

>implying that the character-driven stuff wasn't the best

Ange and Maria were interesting to follow around, especially with the Stakes finally getting some screentime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664072
Kinzo was already dead before the game started. You are just seeing actors/actresses roleplaying with a dead guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664067
The bad part of ep4 is not a story itself, but constant switches between future, past and meta, which makes it difficult to follow and remember. Otherwise it's pretty good episode.

[Anonymous No.]

Episode 2.

>>5664076
Character-driven stuff doesn't work when the characters are shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664067
His only assistance died. I am beginning to suspect that BT is the true author.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664079
My mind is full of fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664072
Enjoying your system0?
And it's really is spoiler >>5664079

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664090
Nice job ruining 4 episodes of Umineko for yourself by reading a spoiler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664099
>implying this shit spoiler matters

[Anonymous No.]

Ultimate game killer spoiler:

Shannon and Kannon and Beatrice are samefag. Shannon partly made Beatrice up because it was what appealed to Battler's ideal female. The Kanon alter ego I don't know about yet, but yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664088
Ryu sure was bitter in EP6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664094
You mean this song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93VODUlLuRk
It's pretty good, when all the other "songs" i've heard so far has been rain/clock ticking/ loud noises / wind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664099
Don't really see the "OH HORY SHIET NOES ;_;!!!!!!!" aspect in knowing such a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664109
Fuck off, Shkannitrice fag, no one is going to believe your shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664125
Except people who actually pay attention to the shit they read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664109
Some points to add to yours.


The golden butterflies at the end of episode1 symbolizes a bomb blast. At the end of every game everyone die because of a huge blast. Only exception is ep3 when Eva survived. You can treat Rosa in ep2 as running away from collateral damage from the bomb blast in the form of goats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664125

Haven't finished ep6 have you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664134
I finished it, I see why you think they are the same person, it's fucking stupid and way too obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664125

For the record, I always hated that theory. But alas, it's pretty much Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664140

These are the answer arcs.

Also, at the very least Shannon is Beatrice, unless you want to deny what was said in game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664140
It is obvious because it is a confession.

[Anonymous No.]

How long is each ep? Ive been reading ep1 for about 5 hours now i think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664154
About 7-10 hours, depending on your reading speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664154
About 8hours each if you are a fast reader.
Slowpokes might need 12hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664150
These are NOT answer arcs, unlike Higurashi. He said it himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664166
see
>>5664151

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664176
So? That's shit and you know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664150
I dunno, I never liked that theory much, but admittedly it would make the whole "love trials" thing make a lot more sense.

I didn't like Shkanon either but EP6 hints at it so strongly, I don't think I can really deny that anymore....

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664119
It changes a lot when actually thinking about the mysteries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664181
Ok, how about
>>5664150

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664181
Put it this way, with the "key" that we got from Ep6, every fucking riddles and murders can be solved now while still maintaining the red text. I dare you to try constructing an argument/trick that will make this "key" logic errored.
I don't know how obvious you want R07 to be before you stop your denial. People called his newest work shit because everyone realize know how cheap this trick is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664187
Exactly because Ep6 hints at it so strongly, I doubt it's the actual truth. Ryu wouldn't do something like that.. ;_;

I guess we'll just have to wait a few more weeks/months untill translated Ep7 spoilers hit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664203
Well, if this were one of the first four, I would have thought the same, but isn't there only one more left now? I dunno why he'd pull such a trick this late in the game. (Or at least I always thought the 7th would be the last.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664203

As has been said: the two never appear in the same room as the detective in every game. That's too deliberate to be a coincidence.

Oh, and are there are arguments against Beatrice being Shannon's creation? I'd like to see how you explain that one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664213
The 7th won't be the last. Without love, it can't be seen. The 7th game is Featherine and Bern trying to get the answers without love, so they'll undoubtedly fail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664202
Take Kanonzo, for example, and see at the story from that perspective. Many riddles are solved.

[Anonymous No.]

If you can't fully disprove Shkannon, then as a "human" you just need to push forward a theory that makes just as much sense if not more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664216
I have no counterarguments, even less a theory to counter yours, nor do I want to create any. My love and the trust I put in R07 are the only leads I have.

[Anonymous No.]

This whole "without love" think isn't some wordplay that goes into the epitaph puzzle, right?

We can't just ignore that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664222
>Kanonzo
Elaborate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664222
We have no magic scene with Kanon x Kinzo talking while on the other hand we have lots of scene between Kanon x Shannon x Beato talking about AIIIIIIIIIIIII.

You have two choices in this scenario.
You can
1) treat all magic scenes as retarded bullshit
2) identity crisis

If you pick 1), r07 is a shitty writer that mislead his readers with useless shit.
Pick 2), retarded DID that make sense and not make everything else bullshit

It is a lose lose situation. I blame the author.

[Anonymous No.]

At the very least listen to your Hanyuu.
>there is no single truth

[Anonymous No.]

OP, try to analyze what's happening and it gets a lot more interesting. It's boring because you just look at it and say "Oh, that makes sense" when really it's a bunch of crazy fuckers out to get each other. Don't just blame it on magic, try to see how a human could do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664219

Bern and Bizarro Hanyu are abominations. I wonder if Lambda is actually a good guy?. Considering her actions, she may act strange, but the end results of her efforts are always good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664240
>1) treat all magic scenes as retarded bullshit
I thought we agreed upon that after ep4 prison break, yet you still want some information from these.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664253
With the revelation of Ep6, those scenes are no longer bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

In 2027:
HNNG Umineko EP 32 CANT WAIT ~

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664239
If you were actually interested in discussions and not just post LOLOLEVSHKANNONTRICE UMINEKO SOLVED, then you'd probably knew this theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664256
Ep3 magic fight. [/discussion]

>>5664252
Don't think in terms of good/bad guys. They're just trying to amuse themselves, and Bern is just more cruel in doing so. They have their own reasons for doing what they do, not some clichéd alignment obligation of 'I am good, so I must do good!' and 'I am evil, therefore I must do evil!'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664260

[Anonymous No.]

Something that always bothered me, with all the new information and such is to remember who the very first two characters we saw were. Who was that show for? Who was the listener and who was storyteller of the VERY FIRST scenes of umineko?

Also, on an unrelated note, I may have a whodunnit and even the howdunnits, but the motive is still missing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664261
No, I was just so interested that I never had the chance to discuss it much because spoilers are everywhere. I discussed it after the ep4 release, but never heard of it back then. Since then, since the ep5 and ep6 patches were so late, I hadn't been able to discuss Umineko spoilers until today. So please elaborate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664265

It's more than just that. Someone at some point in time speculated that Bern and Lambda were actually PART of the game world.

Lamda was the embodiment of the gold, and Bern was the embodiment of the family's strife.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664269
Kinzo and Nanjo, wasn't it? Umineko started out with a lolmagic scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664278
And the basis for this speculation was...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664281

Yeah, but why, and for whose benefit? Considering the way the tale is told, it bothers me for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

Regardless if you actually believe in Shanon = Kanon, something is off with Kanon and their relationship.
In episode 2 and 4 they can't find his corpse at all, and in Episode 1 (pic related) he goes all out against Beatrice claiming that he is the 0 on her roulette.

It also works for Episode 6 where Erika proclaims that she is the 18th person/character while Beato and Battler still proclaims that even so there are still 17 human beings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664278
But Bernkastrel is the wine.
In Higurashi Rika eventually said "Now I am the wine", and Bernkastrel (the place) is world famous for it's wine anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664265
>Ep3 magic fight. [/discussion]
You mean Kanon fightan with Eva(Black witch) while Eva is off killing Battler?
This strongly point to ep6 "key" revelation. What does this contradict wise guy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664308
>it's wine

It's "its"! There is no apostrophe there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664290
>Regardless if you actually believe in Shanon = Kanon, it's obviously true.
Fixt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664290
So then why was Shannon's AND Kanon's corpse found in the first game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664320
That much I know, it was a trivial mistake.
The sentence looked a bit different before I posted it and I don't know what happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664332
>I am a huge faggot please rape my face then teach me to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664332
Shanon's corpse was not found you stupid fucker. Kanon and Hideyoshi "saw" it. I hate ShKanon but get some sense, man! Obviously Hideyoshi lied and it wasn't there.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow fuck...another umineko thread derailed into shkanontrice argument...again

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664332
Perhaps Shanon's Corpse was faked somehow, it doesn't go against any of the reds, Shanon was way in the back after all and she had a bunch of stuff over her as opposed to the others.
Or perhaps Kanon's corpse was fake, he is the 0 on the roulette anyway, and all that was said was that Kanon had died.

Either that or perhaps ShKanon died all together, it doesn't have to contradict anything, perhaps they weren't neccesary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664310
I was talking about the Beatrice - Virgilia fight.
If you can explain that without 'magic is bullshit', you've got my respect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664356
>Kanon and Hideyoshi "saw" it.

Didn't Battler see it too?

[Anonymous No.]

I post spoilers, look how cool I am!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664358
This. Can we get over the retarded "HURR 3 PEOPLE DEFINITELY ONE PERSON GUYS" shit and calm down into theories that make sense? I thought all the ShKanonfags would have given up and gone back to animesuki already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664308
>But Bernkastrel is the wine.
The wine was poisoned, Bernkastrel is the Culprit/mastermind.
You heard it here first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664368
It's slightly possible, but it never mentioned it. Her body was hidden behind some stuff in the back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664365
>If you can explain that without 'magic is bullshit', you've got my respect.

Are you fucking retarded? NO ONE SAW THAT MAGIC FIGHT. Anything can happen in places where there are no humans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664363
You seem to be implying that Kanon had a corpse at all. How many of you actually read Umineko closely to look for evidence and how many of you just read one new episode every 6 months when it's translated and then just try to theorize based on the red and hearsay? Seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664378
It is entirely possible that it represents something, however. Perhaps Kumasawa decided to go against the killer or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664365
Ok, that scene without the bullshit was to teach Battler that "anything can happen" without observers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664371
You guys who don't believe in ShKanontrice are the delusional fags who should get the fuck out of here.
You have the reading comprehension of a 4 years old, congratulation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664332
Did you ever see Kanon's body in the first game?
No, now shut it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664332
>the identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed
She is not a corpse because she is not dead.
Now why would Hideyoshi do this and why did he get killed next? Dohohohoho. I will leave it up to your imagination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664391
Yeah, okay. You have been hanging around here for days using this same "reading comprehension" insult over and over. To you, "read" must mean "read too far into throw-away metaphors". In that sense, we really do lack reading comprehension, but by any definition, we're fine, you just lack common sense.

[Anonymous No.]

So if Shannon is Beatrice, are we going to have Battler x Shannon in EP7?

[Anonymous No.]

WHY SHANNON IS BEATRICE FOR THE MOST RETARDED.
Episode 6: We have the flashback of 6 years ago with "Beatrice" talking to Battler.
Battler talk to this "Beatrice" about his favorite kind of girl and joke around in english.

Different scene, George remember about 6+ years ago, how he was jealous of Battler and we see a scene of Battler and Shannon talking and laughing together.

Different scene, Battler talks about how he was shy as a kid and how he lied to the girl he liked saying he liked a different kind of girl.

Now episode 3: Battler states CLEARLY that Shannon was his first love.
Shannon also states CLEARLY that he used to joke around in english with her all the time and that he promised to come back for her on a white horse.

Episode 4: "Beatrice" talks to about how Battler used to talk in english and how his favorite kind of girls is blond and busty.

NOW I WONDER WHO THAT BEATRICE BATTLER TALKED TO IN EPISODE 6 COULD BE.

Should I do the same for Shannon and Kanon considering some people still don't want to believe in it?

[Anonymous No.]

This is all fucking stupid. How about we do something more productive, like solve an entire episode. Let's start with the first one. This is an opportunity for you to prove your retarded theories. Explain each twilight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664439
No, we're going to have Battler x Beatrice. Shannon's body, whatever it truly looks like, is just her vessel. Likely we'll get some trollface sprites from Kanon or Shannon that represent the Beatrice personality using that body.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664455

1: Kanon
2: Kanon cut the chain, hid under the bed
4: Kanon stabbed himself nonfatally
5: Kanon
6: Kanon
7: rest: Kanon

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664379
Well
>Perhaps
I don't think he has one, he might though, especially if one doesn't rule out the possibility of fake bodies.

I won't go all "I AM RIGHT I CAN'T BE WRONG DURR", and thus I consider the possibility.
If you go by Shanon = Kanon then I guess you could even arguet hat Kanon could have Shanon's corpse so that Shanon would miss one.

I believe Kanon is highly suspicious though.
In episode 4 His corpse was never found so Beatrice even went as far as saying that he was truly dead in red instead
In episode 2 They did find him but then Beatrice made him "magically dissapear" with "magic" and declared his death in red and later he was never found.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664455
That isn't productive at all and has been done ad nauseum. There are many possibilities for "explaining" one episode, but it's a different thing entirely to find the actual truth of the episodes, to truly solve them, rather than "solve" then with a couple of one-liners for each closed room and some vague mention of motive and culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664371
I think you might be the want that want go back there.
/jp/ might be the first to realize how shitty R07 is with his cop out at the end of ep6. I doubt we can see these insults at animesuki where everything is peaceful, fluffy and lovely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664463
Maybe I shouldn't have said productive. I should have said entertaining. I would much rather get into the possibilities and how they work out than "LOL SHKANON DID EVERYTHING FUCK OFF"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664460
I am just talking about the fact that Kanon was found, ALIVE, then later dies offscreen according to Nanjo. Nobody sees him die besides Jessica and Nanjo who claimed he did, therefore he didn't have any observable "corpse". The suggestion that Kanon faked his "corpse" in episode 1 sounds to me like it comes from someone who's pretty damn unfamiliar with the actual course of events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664010

>Hyperion

Oh wow, you watched Haruhi and saw Yuki reading that right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664455
Sure reconstruct them and I will solve it for you.
Motives and why can only be speculation in my part but tricks to get around red text and murdering them to pin them on WITCH? That I can do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664483
>>LOL SHKANON DID EVERYTHING FUCK OFF"

Because that's what actually happen in the fucking game.

In episode 2 and 3 she has Rosa and Kyrie as accomplices though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664453
>Should I do the same for Shannon and Kanon considering some people still don't want to believe in it?
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664497
How about EP6's second twilight? That one's probably the most difficult, only one that's more difficult is the final ep4 mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664453
It was obviously Jessica or Beatrice 3 disguised as Shannon in all cases.
Dine 11th, servant can't be the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664509

>only one that's more difficult is the final ep4 mystery.

yeah bomb is really difficult, man

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664497
>tricks to get around red text and murdering them to pin them on WITCH? That I can do.
Anyone can do that. Being able to at least solve each closed room with some reasonable explanation is Umienko 101.

[Anonymous No.]

great another umineko thread turned 'my theory is better then yours' thread,

http://paradise-mysteries.blogspot.com/2008/10/ss-van-dines-twenty-rules-for-writing.html

knowing these help for solving umineko, though he has broken a couple

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664518
The true rules of Dine has nothing to do with it, you know that even the Knox rules found in Umineko are very different from the true Knox, right?

Also, how does it feel being so fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664497
-First twilight-
Krauss, Rosa, Kyrie, Rudolf, Shanon, Gohda are found with their faces smashed in the garden shed, outside is a magic circle which Maria recognizes
-Next-
Eva/Hideyoshi are killed, locked chain and all that
-Next-
Kanon dies screaming about the roulette
-Next-
The letter in Kinzo's room appears
-Next-
Nanjo, Kumasawa, and Genji die in the room with Maria
-Next-
Natsuhi dies, it looks like she shot herself
-Next-
Everyone else gets fucked over
-Next-
I'm pretty sure this was where Maria's letter was found

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664509
>How about EP6's second twilight?
Shanon killed Kanon, and the younger Beatrice was also struck due to "collateral damage". Because they are the same and it was a mental battle

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664537
How does it feel to think of the most cliced things in the detective fiction genre is actually the truth of a mystery in a work that reflects in a very meta fashion on said fiction? How does it feel to be retarded enough to suggest that Battler would mistake a servant he had met not 5 hours before in a wig for a completely different person who he had never seen before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664540
Eva and Hideyoshi had alibis for the first twilight, by the way. Also, They were all in the room when Nanjo Kumasawa and Genji died.

[Anonymous No.]

just finished reading ep 5 and is the whole ep just something i shouldn't think too much about because the game was half assed and you learned nothing new?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664518
>Dine 11th
It could possibly still stand, we will see after Ep7.
R07 already tampered with Knox though, I could see him doing the same with DIne.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664555
It feels like I actually fucking read this game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664559
It's an answer arc, buddy. The mystery is solvable by the first 4 episodes, of course it won't add anything new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664559
EP5 was about using Knox rules to help you think about past episodes

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664555
YEAH RYUKISHI IS A GENIUS WHO SOLVED HIS PREVIOUS MYSTERIES WITH GENIUS ANSWERS LIKE BRAIN PARASITE AND WOLF PARASITES, OF COURSE UMINEKO WILL HAVE A GENIUS ANSWER AS WELL

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>>5663974

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5664252
>I wonder if Lambda is actually a good guy?.

She's like Riddick - hypothetically evil, but never actually does anything very evil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664549
I was talking about the closed room part of that. I don't care how Kanon died, I want to know how he saved Battler.

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>>5664509
Oh wow.
The second twilight is the one that confirmed the samefag theory aniki.
I am only 99%sure though. I still hope for a miracle by R07.

Kanon is apparently in the closed room by it is only stated with "everyone".
So the obvious get around with this is Kanon was never there in the first place.
He is in Shannon head at the moment. People just do no vanish suddenly. Since Kanon was never stated to be in the other room, it dodges Dlanor blue window seal since Beato didnt need to explain to Erika how someone escaped from Shannon room.

The rest are easy. Went in to Battler closed room, saved him and hide as Shannon or Beatrice under the bed.
No one was in the closet because no one was there in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664555
well we ARE talking about battler here, he is pretty much the incarnation of retarded... like most theories that i've seen....

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664589
Small bombs are perfectly reasonable. Krauss probably picked some up when he was traveling to the moon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664592
nah, krauss definitely got some bombs from the moon, but used them to rig up bombtrice

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664604
I will laugh so hard if Krauss is actually the mastermind. That would be the best end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664540
Any red text comfirming when they died or shit? I am not sure I want to reread ep1 to reconfirm what we already know.
We already have ep5 and ep6 with people roleplaying as walking corpse, wont be surprised it is used in other ep as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664618
and that he actually did go to the moon and made a bombtrice? oh god i will lol so hard as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664633
no red text in ep 1, though we can assume anyone with a smashed in skull is not faking it

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664633
I believe there was something about unidentifiable corpses still being who they are. It's been a while, though, so I could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664637
Well then we can only trust Battler POV. How many corpses did he confirmed to be dead?
From >>5664406 here, it seems only Shannon is suspicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664663
This is what gets me. He said "I can't even count the bodies on one hand!" but I'm pretty damn sure he never saw Shanon which would mean he saw five. Maybe he was just making an expression.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664663
...your actually taking my comment seriously....

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664671
Congratulation sir.
You just saw through R07 "key".

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664671
again this is battler... the incarnation of retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664677
It is a misquote genius.
Clearly he is talking to >>5664645

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664633
http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Text

>>5664587
>>>/rs/you,_Battler,_and_Kanon_were_the_only_ones who_went_in_or_out_of_the_guest_room.
>>>/rs/Kanon_does_not_exist_in_the_guest_room._.........Of_course,_this_includes_all_pa
rts_of_the_closet,_the_bedroom,_and_the_bathroom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664695
What is the problem sir?
Kanon went in but only Shannon or Beatrice stayed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664702
That would be too lame a trick.


Also, I can just never find tableflip.jpg when I need it. Can somebody post it so I can save it as tableflip.jpg?
(Spent over 5 minutes finding it for this post, dammit.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664736
Battler implied it was a lame trick
"Yo B, dem humans gonna be trippin' on dis shit"
"Shit by battler dose guys are livin' without the stuff, dig? It's love. They aint got no love, dog."
"Fo sho'."

That's how it went down

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664365
Well Virgilia obviously represents Kumasawa, especially considering she comes from Kumasawa that scene. Beatrice = Shannon most likely? So Shannon and Kumasawa fought somehow, though not necessarily physically. Could have been some kind of argument, or anything really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664770
if so then who does gaap represent?

i think everyone's already figured that bronove = genji

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664775
Beatrice in episode 4 when she meets Battler on the balcony talks about goats, Teacher, demon butlers, and her best friend who is a demon. Gaap is Jessica, who is in some way demonic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664775
I never was completely sure about that one. I used to think Shannon, but since it's more likely Shannon is Beatrice, that wouldn't make much sense. I guess Jessica might work, especially considering how she dies in EP4's magic scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664736
Yes it is a shitty lame trick but that is what the love BATERU symbolized.
Somehow that faggot R07 seems incline to use the movie Identity as some sort of basis for his novels.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309698/

[Anonymous No.]

Gaap is Nanjo.
Shannon is friend with Jessica, the Beatrice personality isn't.

Nanjo is a doctor and one of the accomplice, he definitely knows about Shannon's problem and it's very possible that Nanjo is on the island first and foremost to take care of Beatrice under the order of Kinzo, to care about her "mental" illness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664775
Gaap is Maria's Rose from the rose garden, that or something that was hidden near it.

Her weird clothes are the candy wrapper, and her stingy heels are the thorns of the rose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664540
-First twilight-
Shanon played dead in the back and Hideyoshi either only thought she was dead or he lied. The choice to be "part" of the first deaths might also been an idea as she could see Battler's and everyone else's reactions.
Shanon was the one who taught maria magic, and she have also seen her notebook. Maria would recognize it and put Beatrice and Kinzo into discussion
-Next-
Shanon killed both of them (Hideyoshi might have seen something he shouldn't) and then Kanon and Genji went to check on Hideyoshi and Eva, they don't answer and Kanon surprisingly found an envelope which makes everyone worried.
Genji uses the master key but is stopped because of the chain and so they both leave in order to get proper tools.
Shanon sneaks out of the room, paints a horrid magic circle on the door, re-enters the room, locks the chain and hides.
-Next-
Kanon checks on the stench in the boiler room, and then goes against Beatrice for the sake of Shanon and he wants everyone to ferfeit by striking the '0' on the roulete, and he died, and presumebly Shanon ran off and fled into the garden.
and Kinzo's body or fake body is found.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665148
-Next-
They all lock themselves up for protection in Kinzo's study, Kumesawa or some other acomplice put the letter onto the table, that or Shanon herself sneaked i with them.
The letter warns them that they don't have much time left and that it's naive to think that they could run away after the storm had passed.
It also said that there will be no draw, either they all or she wins, and if time runs out she wins.
Then the servants or some of them either played dead or was killed by Shanon, Maria was told to sing, and Shanon used the phone to call Kinzo's study.
They all rushed out and found Genji and the others dead, another letter, and Maria.
-Next-
Natsuhi disapeared after she quitly read the letter, she ran out chekced the situation, then she shot herself rather than being killed by Beatrice.
The children ran out not and other than Maria not understanding anything.
Maria wrote her message and put in a bottle, she knew they were going to die, yet she wanted someone to find out about the truth.
The storm Beatrice caught up to them, they all died.
Beatrice won and the cousins and Shanon lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665148
>>5665153
I like the lack of ShKanon here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665153

>then she shot herself

WHOA WHOA WHOA HOLD ON THERE

You never read this VN, did you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665204
Ok you can have the withc's truth if you want.
She shot Beatrice the golden witch and she made the bullet rebound back into her head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665148
>>5665153
So Shannon is a ninja who can lurk in the mansion without being seen.
Good to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665153
>>5665148
I also forgot to add that episode 1 Does not have red text

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665219
I wouldn't put it past her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665216
>>>/rs/Natsuhi_was_killed_by_another_person!
Episode 4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665219
There's no point of view that can be trusted in Ep1 due tot he lack of red truth.

Without the red truth we can't confirm wether or not all of it were fantasy, none of it, or possibly where in between it could have been.

Due to this the scenes really aren't that different from the fantasy/magic scenes with rabbits skipping about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665250
Oh yeah that's right, I had completely forgotten.
Episode 4 was a really long time ago after all.

Well then I simply change it into
Shanon/Shanon shot her

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665267
Sayo/Shanon

[Anonymous No.]

>The storm Beatrice caught up to them, they all died.
She is a storm all of a sudden?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665338
Welcome to post-ep4 Umineko discussion.
As you might have noticed in Ange's perspective, landslides have occurred on Rokkenjima between 1986 and 1998 (making it impossible for Ange to reach the mansion). If one of those had occured on October 5th, it could've been an instant death to everyone in the mansion. Such a landslide could have been caused by a typhoon. If you look at typhoon naming conventions, 'Beatrice' wouldn't be an unusual name for a typhoon.

Welcome to Rokkenjima.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665422
There is no hint of a "beatrice" typhoon.
There is a fucking STATEMENT that an explosion occurs though.
Typhoon =/= explosion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665338
A BOMB

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664378
NO ONE SAW THAT LOVE DUEL AND TRAP DEMONS IN META WORLD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665148
>>5665153
Hmm, it doesn't feel quite right.
What needs to be refined, altered? Oris the whole premise wrong? I agree that Shanon not being dead is a good start, she was hidden after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665519
Something like SHANNON IS ACTUALLY KANON would be a good start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665430
>There is a fucking STATEMENT that an explosion occurs though.
When and where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665536
Does it say she isn't anywhere?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665219
Shkannon does even more absurd things, and most people are okay with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665587
Yeah but these absurd shits are actually HINTED in the fucking game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665587
It is because of the torrent of evidence and foreshadowing and proof pointing to this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665590
What's the problem with
>So Shannon is a ninja who can lurk in the mansion without being seen.
then?

[Anonymous No.]

played it for 20 minutes, uninstalled

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665595
everyone can do that unless someone makes a detective proclamation...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665604
Your loss.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>5665604
You probably end up doing the same thing for all the other VNs too...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665619
Yeah, because VNs are garbage. If I wanted to read hours of text, I'd read a fucking book. If I wanted to look at pretty pictures, I'd read manga or watch anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665619
i finish most of them

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko starts off really slow, it doesn't pick up until people start dying. So anyone who drops it before then are making a big mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664252
I'm starting to think Lambda's a good guy too

Her actions in EP6 seem more like she actually wanted Battler to win, and she seemed way to eager to help him, not to mention she throws her popcorn can at Dlanor at the end, iirc

It doesn't seem to fit in with her whole personality from before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665153
>Maria wrote her message and put in a bottle, she knew they were going to die, yet she wanted someone to find out about the truth.

That wasn't a letter by Maria, EP4 heavily implies, or outright states if i recall that the person who wrote that letter was very likely 'Beatrice'

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665625
Too bad Umineko is a sound novel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665650
34 is on the troll side. She goes for whatever she feels will be hilarious. She's what you get when an underage /b/ resident gets phenomenal cosmic powers.

[Anonymous No.]

Zero Theory is still possible, right?

Someone make a chart to easily explain it to others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665671
Just a shitty excuse for it's bad art etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665704
Umineko's art is not bad, it's different.

It is unique and extremely expressive. It's also in proportion, unlike Higurashi and dos hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665671
There is absolutely no difference between a sound novel and a visual novel

[Anonymous No.]

I can't be the only one to find the art in Umineko to be.....bad?
I mean, the images look like they have a layer of SOMETHING smeared all over that distorts all the color in a weird way. I still play the game,(at ep2 atm) it's just kind of an eye sore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665756

I CIRCLEJERK TO ZUN'S SHITTY ART BUT UMINEKO ART IS TRU SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665761
Who said he liked Touhou? Careful there Uminekofag, your butthurt is showing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665756
>at ep2 atm

Keep playing, it really does grow on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665807
I will, the first ep was fast paced (that is, after [spoiler first twilight [/spoiler] ) and the ending was. I dunno, weird.

But as I said, im playing it to find out what happens next / what really happened. I dunno, lol

And besides, It's not like I have anything better to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665669
Didn't Ange compare the handwriting to Maria's diary?
Or was the diary implied not to have been hers as well, or am I just remembering things wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5666172
She compared it to Beatrice's signature in Maria's diary.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>5665756
You're the eyesore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5665807
I never noticed this.

[Scandaroon !!XKW0BJwjzoH No.]

>>5666199

Nice border on the top, faggotnack.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>5666199
Whoops, fucked up that screenshot.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>5666216
Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.]

Ryu's trollfaces are god tier

[Anonymous No.]

Gonna say this again about the mantra "without love, it cannot be seen".

Do these words play into the epitaph? What are the characters for "love" and "seen"?

Anyway, as far as the Beatrice vs Virgilia battle, y'all are forgetting that Kanon saw Kumasawa as his "mother" of sorts. I'm wagering it was detailing the conflict of Kumasawa vs Shannon on committing the murders.

Anyway, say we have found the culprit.

Say we can explain all the mysteries.

Why would Shannon go around and kill these people who she either used to love or doesn't hate? Does she really believe they will all be resurrected in the "golden land"? What about those numbers, what the hell is the significance of those? What is that explosion referring to? Why were no bodies found when the investigation team arrived in ep 1?

Ahhhh it's useless. It's all useless!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667472
>What is that explosion referring to? Why were no bodies found when the investigation team arrived in ep 1?
Brotip: One solves the other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667472
愛がなければ視えない
愛 = love
視(える) = see. note this is usually written 見える.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667517

I guess that would explain why only Maria's mandible was found. Yeech.

>>5667520

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

For the sake of everyone's sanity, I think I'll start clarifying a few things so we can all be on the same page.

First of all: Erika. While I haven't seen that particular theory here yet, on some of the other discussion boards they are STILL talking about whether Erika even exists on the game board or not. While I think that for the most part the people here aren't that thick headed, I'll make this clear- In Episodes 5 and 6 Erika made it to the island alive. She was the 'uninvited guest, the 18th person, and the detective'. So let us leave that particular topic be. Now, some folks have argued that her presence was categorically denied by the red in Episodes 3 and 4. So that brings me to the next point:

All of these stories are fiction. Episodes 5 and 6 were written by Hachijo after the fact, and she inserted Erika into those tales to satisfy her own purposes. As for the first 4 Episodes, at least the first two were written by 'Ushiromiya Maria', with the next two being debatable about their origins.

So why doesn't Erika appear in those tales? Simply put, because she CAN'T. 'Maria's' message bottles could only have realistically been written BEFORE the last family conference. Therefore, there was no way she could have predicted that a seemingly random person might wash ashore after the storm arrived. The writer of the 3rd and 4th tales didn't know either (or maybe they aren't Forgeries at all), or else he or she didn't consider the possibility.

So, it is entirely possible that Erika made it to Rokkenjima alive. And entirely possible she didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

People who call this stupid aren't even trying to figure this out.

Also, where is all of this hate for episode 6 coming from? I swear, /jp/ is つんでれ for this series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667555
Another point: Sakutarou.

Alot of debate went on about 'What did Ange see in the boathouse durrhurr' and even now there I'm not sensing a clear understanding of things.

So first, the obvious: Ange found Sakutarou in the boathouse.

Next, the not so obvious: Ange did NOT repair Sakutarou. As was stated, Rosa, his creator, denied him. Thus, only SHE could have repaired him.

The way I see it is like so: Rosa, guilty over what she did, secretly gathers up Sakutarou's remains and repairs him shortly before the family conference. But she decides against giving him to Maria right away, because she's frustrated at Maria's behavior, and is afraid Maria will embarrass her if she has her stuffed lion back.

So, she asks the captain to hold on to him during the conference so she can give him to Maria on the way back, not realizing that Maria is already so far off the deep end that she's conspiring with a mass murderer...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667622

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667555
Incorrect. Only episodes 1 and 2 were written by 'Ushiromiya Maria' (implied to be Beatrice). Episodes 3, 4, 5 and 6 are written by Hachijo. Ange mentions she has written 'Banquet' and 'Alliance' (3 and 4), refers to ep5 as her previous story, and is reading ep6 during ep6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664072
>Kinzo's death
>implying he hasn't been dead from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667639
Yeah, I remember that. Doesn't change the fact that the one that Rosa gave Maria was 'unique'. Even if it came down to Rosa buying another and altering it to match the original, it doesn't change the fact that it could only be made legitimate by Rosa herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667555
I won't listen to this meta-fiction bullshit until you'll explain how can Hanyuu write the (supposedly true) stories and not know the real answers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667689
She observes it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667622
>>5667639
Then, let's hop to the next topic, because it's just awesome.

Rosa never loved Maria.

Every single 'best mom ever' scene has been unwitnessed. Even Sakutarou has been revealed to be only a mass-manufactured plushie. Rosa's love towards Maria is nothing more than Maria's delusion.
On the other hand, Battler himself has personally witnessed Rosa abusing Maria.

Rosa does not love Maria, confirmed. Rosa is the best mom ever, completely denied. Any questions?

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, for those retarded enough to not have noticed yet: If you haven't finished everything until ep6 yet, get the fuck out of this thread. Unmarked spoilers everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667652
I don't believe it was directly stated that Hachijo wrote Eps 3 and 4. And it was implied that there was some debate as to the authenticity of those Eps. Ange sought her out because her Forgeries were the most enlightened of all the ones she read (implying there are others as well).

Whether Hachijo wrote Eps 3 and 4 doesn't really matter anyway. She wrote Erika into 5 and 6, and not into her previous ones.

The point I'm trying to make is that Erika's presence on the island is perfectly valid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667725
Naw, bro, I'm pretty sure it was stated pretty directly. Also, in EP4 wasn't it stated there were only two bottles found?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5664577

Weren't the brain parasites proved to be just Takano's delusional theory in the TIPS?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667689
She might not know the whole truth, but she knows enough to write some convincing lies. She's observed the rules well enough to know what is and is not allowed.

And honestly, do you really believe she DOESN'T know the truth? She was trolling Ange for the whole Episode, and then moved on to trolling Bern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667692
So Bern, as a player, adds Erika-piece (whether she existed or not in the real world) and Hanyuu-spectator writes about it, as she sees. Ok, but that doesn't deny anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667746
Hold it, no more Higurashi spoilers. Not untagged anyways. Not everybody's read ep8 yet.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5667764
And not everyone's read Umineko either, should we have to have every Umineko thread completely black?

NO.

DEAL WITH IT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667742
>Also, in EP4 wasn't it stated there were only two bottles found?

It was, but then in Episode 6 it was stated that most of the forgeries were made by people claiming to have found 'another message bottle'. So who the hell knows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667698
Most of the scenes of abuse aren't observed either, and the scene with best mom ever on the island in ep4 observed by Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

ep 1: boring then awesome after first twilight
ep 2: amusing to say the least
ep 3: awesome
ep 4: long and boring but then becomes awesome halfway through
ep 5: interesting, ending is awesome
ep 6: begins as slow as ep4 and gets better after the 1st twilight, ending is good enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667689
Sayo is in a sick house, her illness developed to a point where she has a huge role playing game all by herself, partly to run away from the truth, partly because she blames herself.
Anyways her DID got much worse and now lots of various personalities fight within her mind.
The personalities are Beatrice, only personality who "survived" Rokkenjima, she knows the truth and want to die for all she did.
Battler, personality who was created because Sayo blamed herself for all she did.
Battler is the one who want to protect everyone, a knight in shining armor, that's why Sayo chose him.
Bern and Lambda were created probably due to Hachijou's influence, Hachijou wanted Sayo to get the game going so she made her read lots of mystery books, Sayo created them using the novel of Higurashi as a reference.

Anyways Hachijou knows her and go look at Sayo's game of pretend to amuse herself, after realizing the truth she rearranged Sayo's gibberish into episode 3-6, that's how she observes the "meta-world" and the gameboard.

Hachijou wanting to amuse herself even further talk to Sayo about a girl who has drowned when the incident takes place.
One of the personality of Sayo who went to destroy this game, Bern, decide to use this girl for the game, that's how Erika came on the gameboard.

Basically Umineko is one big selfcest party.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667622

There is some text in episode 6 something of the effect to "giving meaning to a toy mass produced like it was unique" meant the lion; as in, Rosa never 'made' the lion, it was mass produced, and was only unique in that it was the lion Rosa gave Maria. Otherwise, the doll was as unique as a furby or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667750
If you assume that she's just trolling, then I don't see how you can trust her at all. Then maybe she didn't write any of these tales. Maybe she just more obfuscates the truth, instead of giving hints, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667725
;　彼女の最新の偽書、「Ｅｎｄ」は、その作中で少なくとも親族たちを７
人は殺している。@
`In her latest forgery, 'End', she killed off seven of my relatives, at least during the actual story.`@
br
;　いやいや、彼女のこれまでの偽書、「Ａｌｌｉａｎｃｅ」や「Ｂａｎｑ
ｕｅｔ」も含めれば、@どれだけの親族を、何度、惨たらしい方法で殺して
いるやら…。@
`No, if you count 'Alliance' and 'Banquet', the other forgeries she's made before now,`@` then she's killed off most of my family in horrible ways, over and over again...`@


;　……つまり私は、ベアトリーチェが残した２本のメッセージボトルで真
実がわからず、@……さらにその後、ヒントの物語を重ねられているわけだ
。\
`......In other words, I don't know the truth even after the two message bottles Beatrice left behind,`@` ......and I've read several tales with hints afterwards.`\


There were two 'Maria' message bottles. Hachijo wrote the other four.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667472
・紗代→しゃ　よ→SYAYO→愛（Ｉ）がないと視えない→SYAYO＋I→YOSIYA

Sayo = Yoshiya if you add LOVE.
Solution for for "without love it cant be seen".

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667777
Discussing all these things are fine, right?
Things that aren't translated is one thing though.
On the other hand, if it is translated and you haven't read it, then just deal with it.

Not using spoiler tags for untranslated material is just mean though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668186
Higurashi Kai's last arc was released today. So technically it has been translated, but you can't expect everybody to have read it in a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668383
Most of the people who actually care have probably watched the anime anyway, though. (Actually, I haven't, I only watched the first two arcs of the first season, and then dropped it, and waited patiently for the sound novel to be translated... But I got spoiled on just about everything important in Umineko topics like this one, so I don't really give a shit anymore.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668383
Isn't kind of fair anyway?
They can't be on /jp/ at the same time they are reading it (well ok they can technically but hey).

Sure one could still use spoiler tags a while longer out of respect for those who haven't gotten around to read it yet, but at least they have gotten the chance to read it.

And yes I highly advices people to use spoiler tags for untranslated material, we aren't like /a/ and the others after all.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5668186
You realize there are always unspoilered threads for the untranslated parts too right?

Oh wait, you're probably new so you don't know - but part 6 had the entire part explained almost daily by fags spoiling it so much when Witch Hunt was still only at like 2%.

Enjoy /jp/, newbro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668467
Not everyone reads things in one sitting. I tend to read for an hour or so (unless something really awesome is happening and I want to see what comes next) and then stop at the next transition and do something else for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

Uh... May I ask one possibly stupid question? At the end of ep 6 Erika says in red that she is the 18th person, yet Battler and Beatrice say in red that there are 17 people in the island. Thinking only about these two statements, isn't that a contradiction red? I mean, if there weren't 18 (or more) people in Rokkenjima, Erika wouldn't be able to say that she was the 18th and, on the other hand, saying that there are 17 people would be possible if there was a 18th...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668445
I am generally not into adaptations, so no I haven't watched it.
I don't think it's right to assume that people have, sure it was one of the most hyped shows when it was active, but there are people that stayed away from it.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5668529
NO ONE GIVES A FUCK IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILERS

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED DON'T GO TO 4CHAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668507
Yeah, I usually use spoiler tags for a while afterwards, it's not as if spoiler tags are ahrd to add or anything after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668552
I just claimed I hadn't seen it, it had nothing to do with spoilers.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5668586
I'm talking about all your shitty posts, quit fucking whining, if you have a problem with spoilers stay on your fucking animesuki or gaia or whatever the fuck you go to because you sure as hell don't belong here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668552

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668599
>CurryButt
>Telling others they don't belong here.
Yeah, okay.

[Anonymous No.]

after the small bombs.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5668620
>implying I don't belong here

Oh boy, sure is new, what's it like being here for a month? Is it fun for you yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668620
Get the fuck out. Curry is the best tripfag on /jp/.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5668633
Reported for deflating my ego.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668496
Spoilers and stuff was better before Umineko and before that.
Sure there have always been spoilers, but it was better back then, don't you agree?

Personally I don't particularly care for Higurashi though, but it's not as if one shouldn't consider those who do.
Don't you care about spoilers at all?
The feeling of being spoiled of something you care for genuinly sucks.

And "Care about spoilers? DON'T VISIT 4CHAN" is shit anyway, I managed it somewhat in the past anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

It's really not that hard to avoid threads with spoilers. Usually I'll notice the image or first couple of words and is enough to know to stop reading.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>5668633
IS THAT SO

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5668648
>implying 4chan ever posts about things before I've already finished them

And the DON'T VISIT 4CHAN thing is more of a - if you are too fucking stupid to avoid spoilers when they are NEVER hard to spot even without spoiler tags then it's your own goddamn fault for being a retard. And if you are that goddamn stupid you probably shouldn't come to 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT Trolls, trolls everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668678
You could say that.
Avoiding spoilers is genuinly not that hard, now, back then, it doesn't matter much.
I do claim it was a bit easier before though, easy nonetheless, and personally I don't care much.

Now, I don't care that much myself, I just didn't figure that my post would spark so much attention.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5668678
Reported for implying in /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5667971
>>5667971
Is this correct?

[Anonymous No.]

The Higurashi animation airs before VNs started to get translated properly.
It is "one of the best shows ever"
Then the Umineko animation airs after the original has been translated.
It is "It's all shit, among the worst you can find"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668664
As a long as a thread remains to its own topic, sure. I just don't want untagged Higurashi spoilers in an Umineko thread, or any untagged spoiler in any thread not directly related to the subject.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5668980
>I don't want

You aren't the boss of me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668976
>It is "one of the best shows ever"
Yeah, I doubt it was a widespread opinion

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5668976
Higurashi was a pretty terrible anime, not to mention extremely boring. I don't think anyone thought it was "one of the best shows ever" or even "great". At best it was 'pretty good' to some people, though very mediocre to most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5668976
Disregarding all the bad directing, screenplay and music usage - first: Higurashi is easier to adapt since its not as complex as Umineko. Second: Umineko was plagued by efforts of making "another Higurashi" with screaming lolis murdering themselves. So they pushed completely wrong aspects of the story forward while skipping all stuff that made Umineko Umineko.
Thats why Higurashi can be decent anime and Umineko cant.

[Anonymous No.]

More like Umineko as a whole is filled with retarded stuffs.
And stupid stuffs can be tolerable when you only have to read about them, but seeing them into action is just too much.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5669091
Are you the same guy who kept adding s to every other word last night too? Jesus fucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5669091
Cant get over fact that you dont understand a shit? Solution is imminent - kill yourself and die! Goodnight!

[Anonymous No.]

Higurashi was much more suitable to be made into an anime. I never thought that the VNs would contain so much slice-of-life rubbish, to a point where it would often make up a third of an arc before things began rolling. It was easy enough to get rid of most of the slice-of-life rubbish, and the parts in between chapters, which dealt with behind the scenes stuff.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5669133
But the anime did the same exact thing. Hell 90% of the episodes were LETS PLAY HIDE AND SEEK KEIICHI

[Anonymous No.]

>>5669152
As true as that is, the anime still cut out a fucking ton of the slice-of-life bullshit.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5669167
Only because they couldn't make the anime as long as Bleach.

[～(￣∇￣～) !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>5669152
I'd play hide and seek with them, if you get what I'm saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5669152
Even those fillers are part of the story - they build the atmosphere of peaceful village. They had to be in.

[Anonymous No.]

These fillers were there to make you care about them.
In Umineko, who the fuck care for Jessica, Maria, George or Shannon?
Nobody really do, the characters are far from being as memorable as those of Higurashi, one of the reason is simply because these fillers aren't there.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>5669236
No, they didn't.

In the very first episodes for the very first arc? Okay, you get the image of a peaceful village.

After that? You already KNOW it's "peaceful" and that "something crazy is gonna happen"

There was NO need to repeat a billion episodes of fucking hide and seek when we ALREADY GET THE FUCKING POINT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5669254
Actually, I find the cast of Umineko as a whole much more likable than Higurashi's. Shion, Akasaka, and Takano were the only ones I even had a passing interest in. There isn't a character in Umineko that I don't care for. Even the ones I hate/dislike stir up powerful emotions in me, which is more than what I can say for Higurashi's characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5669192
>pubic hair on Rika

[Anonymous No.]

>>5669286
Even if we don't go in the "like-dislike" type of faggotry, the characters of Higurashi felt far more complex to me.
Umineko is too straigthforward in its characterization, what you see is mostly what you get which is kinda annoying.
Even the characters who get the spotlight like Eva, Rosa, Maria or Natsuhi for example aren't characterized in any interesting way.
You learn pretty much everything about Maria in the first episode, you can see everything about her relationship with her mother by the second which make episode 4 quite redundant, Eva and Natsuhi's characterization isn't any different from what one expect as well.
Only character who feel complex so far is Beatrice but it's more due to her place in the story, she is supposed to be the mystery of Rokkenjima after all.

Compared to this, the cast of Higurashi felt far more complex. They all had lots of different sides which made them quite entertaining to watch.

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