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5652338 No.5652338 [Reply] [Original]

ETA until NNL goes bankrupt?

>> No.5652348 [DELETED] 

>>5652342
I'd delete mine.

>> No.5652342

We don't need three threads about this.

>> No.5652355

Gipface has been bankrupt for ages. Years ago on his NNL site he used to cry about how he had to wash dishes for a living.

>> No.5652362
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5652362

We're not going to get Eden* are we?

>> No.5652374

Probably just another attentionwhoring scheme from NNL. Nothing to see here, move along.

>> No.5652375

Minori showed their lawyer, NNL got scared

>> No.5652380

>>5652362

If they're not trolling, we'll probably see an official release at some point.

If they are (which is more likely) the website will be back in a couple of days with a post containing Gipface laughing at all of us.

>> No.5652386

NNL only translates the shittiest of games, and trolls while doing it. Not really a big deal.

>> No.5652393

And I thought they didn't gave a flying shit about it?

>> No.5652397

I smell blatant troll

>> No.5652399

they're probably trolling as usal

>> No.5652400

>>5652375

They didn't 'show their lawyer', they used big angry words.

They can't actually sue NNL without registering their copyright in the US, and I doubt they consider them worth the trouble.

It's just NNL trolling again.

>> No.5652405

Obvious trolling.

>> No.5652406

Who gives a crap about these guys anyway ?

>> No.5652413
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5652413

Have you broken your fan disk yet?

>> No.5652425

BLATANT trolling.

>> No.5652431

>>5652400
>They can't actually sue NNL without registering their copyright in the US
Copyright laws are international, you know. They can sue, they just don't have enough money (or guts) for international lawsuit.

>> No.5652453

>>5652431
>i don't know how copyright works

They can't.

>> No.5652458

>>5652431

No, we've gone through this before, there's a process to it.

They have to register their copyright in NNL's country of origin before suing for damages, and since they don't even sell their games over here in the first place, they haven't even lost any money.

Something like that. I'm sure someone else can explain this better than I can.

>> No.5652479

What we probably gonna see next:
Post on gaijin-only minori page declaring that they aren't having any ''preliminary discussions'' with NNL.

>> No.5652505

>>5652425
No, they're not trolling this time.

>> No.5652516

>>5652505
Proof?

>> No.5652573

They're trolling.

>> No.5652605

Yeah Gipface isn't talking to anyone from Minori; he's just posting stuff on his website for attention as usual.

You guys should know how he works by now.

>> No.5652616

>>5652355
Translation of porn games for living sounds even more pathetic.

>> No.5652700

>>5652616
Not really. At least to me. And I mean that in general, not in relation to gipface.

>> No.5652704

They probably are actually talking with Minori. However, "preliminary discussions" doesn't necessarily mean they're complying with them; it might even be them laughing at Minori or whatnot. Typical NNL trolling involves the misinterpretation of their wording, as they usually don't state "the whole truth".

>> No.5652739

>gipface
Did he finally got to wear that dress?

>> No.5652775

>>5652616
Sounds like my dream job, honestly.

>> No.5655415

>>5652458
>They have to register their copyright in NNL's country of origin before suing for damages, and since they don't even sell their games over here in the first place, they haven't even lost any money.

>Something like that. I'm sure someone else can explain this better than I can.

NNL is Canada, so I am not sure the procedure there, but for the US.

If a copyright is registered with the US copyright office either before release, within months of publication, or before the alleged infringing activity, then the infringer can be sued for statutory damages ($750-$150,000 per infringement determined by a jury) and attorney's fees, on top of any damages. Without registration following the above though, one may only sue for actual provable damages, and may not ask for attorney's fees, so the likely damages they could sue for would be (number of downloads * profit they receive per game sale).

A good lawyer however would likely get even that thrown out in the case of a minori game, pointing out that the minori titles that were being distributed were designed not to work outside of Japan, and therefore could not be seen as damaging to minori's profits.

TL:DR- In the US at least, either register a copyright before hand or it isn't worth suing.

>> No.5655861

Well, well, well. It looks like they're not trolling, completely at least.

From minori's site:
2010年7月14日から私たちminoriとNO NAME LOSERSの皆さんとの間で発展的な交渉を開始しています。どのような結果にな
るかまだわかりませんが、遠くない未来に皆さんに結果をご報告できれば
と思います。今しばらくお待ち下さい。よろしくお願いします。

TL: Starting on July 14, 2010, we have entered into negotiations with NNL. We know not yet what kind of results may come, but we think we'll be able to tell you in the near future. Please wait for further information.

>> No.5655877

>Copyright laws are international, you know.

No, you can only enforce copyright if you have a presence in the country in question, or the person using your copyright has a presence in your own country.

Copyrights are notoriously easy to get, and not a great expense for an established company. Get one in America and you can enforce for a great deal of the world.

>> No.5655881

Why the fuck does minori care? There's Chinese translations of all their games yet you don't see them going apeshit over that.

>> No.5655889

>>5655881
They are afraid of the Chinese, but not of Canadians.

>> No.5655890

>>5655881
minori is run by a retard. normal business logic does not apply.

>> No.5655896

>>5655881
China is a -true- pain to deal with.
Not only China don't give a ratass about copyright, but being Japanese isn't really at your advantage with them.

>> No.5655898

>>5655881
Yeah, most VN publishers should focus on the chinese community, they have by fart more translations.

>> No.5655915

>>5655898
Enforcement is stupid to begin with, regardless of country, but even moreso in countries that don't care about your silly copyrights.

>> No.5655919

>>5655861
yeah, can't wait for them to start working on some project, then fuck each other over halfway

>> No.5655925

>>5655861
uh oh.

>> No.5655942

>>5655881
porn is illegal in china

>> No.5655974

minori is so fucking retarded a thousand facepalms won't be enough

just fucking stop the IP blocking and BAM
all shit they've done are forgiven

>> No.5655984

>>5655974
>all shit they've done are forgiven
Nope, their games also have that retarded japan-onry OS thing.

>> No.5655991

>>5655974
I do not forgive.

>> No.5656004

Sadly I lost my botnet in early 2004 or i'll be fucking minori's sites up by now.

>> No.5656019

>>5656004
I should report you to the police

>> No.5656032

>>5656019
callthecopidon'tgiveafuck.jpg

>> No.5656080 [DELETED] 

Minori updated again

2010年7月14日から私たちminoriとNO NAME LOSERSの皆さんとの間で発展的な交渉を開始しています。どのような結果にな
るかまだわかりませんが、遠くない未来に皆さんに結果をご報告できれば
と思います。今しばらくお待ち下さい。よろしくお願いします。

>> No.5656091

>>5656080
yeh we saw that
now i can only hope that nnl are actually trying to troll them instead of trying to compromise.

this company deserves the worst.

>> No.5656147
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5656147

Lol they are still not sleeping

>> No.5656167

MINORI MAKES SHITTY VNS AND THEY HATE YOU. STOP SUCKING THEIR DICKS.

>> No.5656175

>>5656167
y u saeg bro

>> No.5656214
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>>5656167
I was wondering about this myself.

If Alicesoft politely asked to not translate their games for some valid reason, would anon be raging, or watch warmly as Alicesoft tries to port their games overseas?

As for Minori, WHO GIVES A FUCK.

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>>5655861
OH GOD OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDD

>> No.5656244

If a non-xenophobic company should C&D a translation project, most likely people would probably just say "fuck you" and move on.

But in minori's case, the problem lies in their xenophobic stance.

>> No.5656268

NNL ends with the US rights to Minori's games

International trolling.

>> No.5656284

>>5656268
Or minori sues NNL's members that choose to reveal themselves.

>> No.5656299

>>5656284
Is it really a copyright issue to provide a free translation of X product?

>> No.5656303

>>5656299
What nnl did with ef was directly giving off the whole game.

>> No.5656309

>>5656299
NNL can't be sued no matter what because there are no evidence.

>> No.5656310

>>5656303
Then they are retards. You don't do that, at least not directly.

>> No.5656312

>>5656303
They didn't do the distribution themselves, they relied on 3rd parties that deal exclusively in dealing with licensed stuff(like in the US) to do the distrubution.

>> No.5656320

>>5656310
They didn't do it directly.

>> No.5656324

>>5656299
We've been through this before and I think the answer was yes.

>>5656284
Doing that would break down most potential future relations with eroge companies and the western market. A part of me wants it to happen.

>> No.5656334

>>5656299
yes. It is basically an unallowed use of intellectual property.
Even if you do not provide any file from the original software, the text "belongs" to the company, even if they aren't the ones behind the translation.

>> No.5656341

>>5656324
>Doing that would break down most potential future relations with eroge companies and the western market.

Do we even care?
I think all we do is pirating and there will be somebody to make fantranslation anyways so I don't see a point.

>> No.5656342

>>5656324
In what way? Most current relations between fantranslators and commercial localizers only involved the actual translators or editors. Hackers, QCers, image editors, distrubution/hosters were usually not involved.

>> No.5656347

>>5656334
>the text "belongs" to the company
the "translated" text does not

>> No.5656356

>>5656347
It does, since it's still the company text.
It's the same with a book.

>> No.5656372

>>5656356
When you register for copyright, you copyright the product, not the wall of text inside.

You are not holding rights to the "texts" but the book itself.

>> No.5656375

>>5656342
I have to revise my statement. It's not the "western market" but all fan collaborations.

>> No.5656387

>>5656372
Then explain me book plagiarism as violation of copyrights.

>> No.5656390

>>5656372
You cannot provide translation of any text from a copyright product without the author permission.

That's like trying to translate Harry potter in X langugage without Rowling permission: you are going to get a lot of pain if you are found out.

>> No.5656392

>>5656372
Why are you so fucking stupid.

>> No.5656397

>>5656390
Well, you could translate it for your own personal use. Just not with intent for mass distribution.

>> No.5656405

>>5656387
>>5656390
Same shit why movie company can't sue people for using lines said by characters in a movie.

>> No.5656412

>>5656375
No fan translators that I'm aware of contacted japanese companies directly. The cases involved JAST and MangaGamer, almost always when the fan translators already had a significant parts translated and the company decided to pay them (usually less than they would have had to pay others to translate) for what they had done and ask them to continue if possible. It was usually for projects they already had rights to. At least one translator decided to continue working with the localization company (Kouryuu) and translate more games.

I do remember there were some attempts in the past and the fan tl group was refused or given unrealistic licensing costs (for an individual, not to mention the fact that it would be unlikely they'd even break even with those costs).

>> No.5656413

>>5656392
>hurr i dont know how copyright works

>> No.5656416

>>5656413
Yeah you don't.

>> No.5656418

The Berne Convention, signed by most countries, makes unauthorized distributions of translations illegal. Translations for private use are fine though, however these can not be distributed.

>> No.5656426

>>5656413
The copyright of an unauthorized translation would belong to the translator, this much is true.

However, that actual translation is illegal, and while the copyright holder can't just take the illegal translation and claim it is theirs, they can sue the creator of that translator if it is distributed.

>> No.5656432

>>5656412
I was thinking of it this way: once NNL is sued, no other TL group would ever directly approach an eroge company.

TL projects would then all move underground to avoid C&D's and potentially getting sued so there'd be no way for JAST or Mangagamer to work with them.

>> No.5656434
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>>5656418
>Berne Convention

>> No.5656443

>>5656432
The projects that were C&D'd either moved underground or stopped. Some of them might even get official localization once they finish their translation. The risk to the translators is still somewhat slim as their work became private, although it was public at some point in time (or still is, in some form).

>> No.5656448

>>5656405
They can't sue only in case of fair use aka citation of a couple of lines.
For complete translation, yes, they can. There are precedents, you know: http://torrentfreak.com/tag/subtitles/

>> No.5656456

>>5656432
>I was thinking of it this way: once NNL is sued, no other TL group would ever directly approach an eroge company.

Most translation groups are smart enough to realize that if NNL is sued, they had it coming and are a special case.

>> No.5656460

>>5656412
Haeleth did, but no response.
WH did and got Ryukishi approval

>> No.5656479

>>5656460
Sonozaki Futago-tachi received approval for patch too, despite Mangagamer's official translation and C&D.

>> No.5656486

>>5655861
Ahahahaha. They even include a hyperlink to nnl.
The drama from these events is sure to make this summer even slightly bearable!

>> No.5656497

Berne Convention != law
in case you didnt notice

>> No.5656515

It would be even more hilarious if arrest warrant for NNL's members is already issued in Japan and they would be thrown into jail as soon as they cross the border.
Honestly, I'm going to celebrate such day annually.

>> No.5656546

>>5656515
Would be the greatest troll ever. Everyone else should just give up afterward, there'd be no beating it.

>> No.5656557

>>5656515
"Yes, your honor. These horrible criminals dared to distribute a translated text over the internet causing my client severe no loss of revenue in a market it does not compete into."

>> No.5656569

While I doubt anything will come out of this, I wouldn't be completely surprised if something came out of this.

While at first glance, NNL doesn't have anything (money, current ability to distribute, etc), they do have one powerful bargaining chip, their trolling and the guts to ignore legal threats. The fact that they will ignore minori wishes and release Eden if negotiations fail is a bargaining chip in encouraging a revenue sharing deal with minori with Eden. Ef is already released and minori has nothing to lose if they start getting money on that either. NNL might be a bunch of trolls, but that trolling and ignoring legal threats has effectively allowed them to force open negotiations that minori would not otherwise involved themselves in, and put themselves in a position where they have room to bargain a deal instead of just being told that they want US 1 million for it.

>> No.5656580

>>5656497
Canadian copyright law (where nnl is) explicitly says unauthorized translations are illegal.

>> No.5656596 [DELETED] 

>>5652334

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>> No.5656588

>>5656557
It's Japan, you know. They had sent people to jail for even more ridiculous copyright violations.

>> No.5656599

>>5656497
No, but countries that are signatories to the the convention have their laws changed to represent that.

>> No.5656600

>>5656569
That wouldn't be fair. They'd be making more money than the other fan translators

>> No.5656627

>>5656580
And from the Canadian Copyright Act

>3. (1) For the purposes of this Act, “copyright”, in relation to a work, means the sole right to produce or reproduce the work or any substantial part thereof in any material form whatever, to perform the work or any substantial part thereof in public or, if the work is unpublished, to publish the work or any substantial part thereof, and includes the sole right

>(a) to produce, reproduce, perform or publish any translation of the work,
>(b) in the case of a dramatic work, to convert it into a novel or other non-dramatic work,

The sole right to publish any translation belongs to the copyright owner in Canada.

>> No.5656634

i didn't read this thread but drama is gay

>> No.5656636

>>5656600
The market isn't big enough for them to make that much money. If they do strike a deal, I'd imagine it'd be one of the following:
minori can use their translation to release a localized or multilingual version of their game(s), providing one of the following possibilities:
1) NNL gets some compensation (or just the translators and editors)
a) The compensation is
i) a fixed sum
ii) a precentage of the earnings from the localized version(s)

/that should be payed/

i) after minori recovers the money from the sale of the localized version OR
ii) before they recover the money.
2) NNL gets no compensation

If they don't strike the deal, NNL can either not release anything, or release a patch, but if they revealed too much about themselves in the negociation, they could end up sued.

>> No.5656644

>>5656600
>That wouldn't be fair. They'd be making more money than the other fan translators

What the fairness have anything to do with business?
NNL has put themselves in a position where they have the ability to negotiate with bargaining power, that is reality.

>> No.5656650

>>5656636
I dont think this will work though, because minori demands a sun and a galaxy.

>> No.5656658

>>5656644
Assuming they actually buy the rights and not just sell their translation in some form, I think that would be more trouble for NNL, because of all the other costs and risks they'd have to bear.

>> No.5656660

>>5656636
>If they don't strike the deal, NNL can either not release anything, or release a patch, but if they revealed too much about themselves in the negociation, they could end up sued.

I would like to think minori will include a NDA in all negotiations, with a large specified penalty if they break it, and they would go after that. It would be hard to push the infringement issue, but breaking a NDA is easy to pursue.

>> No.5656666

>>5656557
They distributed whole translated game. Even if they have not done it directly, it would not take much to convince judge that they were behind it based on information that was available on their site.

>> No.5656674

>>5656666
No clear evidence = can't do shit

>> No.5656691

>>5656674
Pretty sure Japans courts have a 95% or something equally ridiculous conviction rate.

>> No.5656714

>>5656666
But if no money is being made, it can't be a criminal issue, so it'd have to be civil. Civil cases are about damages and losses. How can they calculate or estimate their losses when the products aren't even available for legal sale outside of Japan? It'd be a pretty odd case, not to mention expensive.

>> No.5656719

>>5656674
They would present it themselves after a week or two of custodial questioning.

>> No.5656720

>>5656714
I don't think NNL has much money.

>> No.5656734

>>5656691
Conviction rates are high in the US too. You just don't realize it because it includes all the low-level clear-cut misdemeanors, traffic tickets, etc.

That said, Japan does tend to be extremely aggressive about dropping cases they have a slight chance of not getting a conviction, and don't particularly care about the punishment after the conviction. And they'll use moderate torture tactics to coerce a confession.

>> No.5656768

>>5656734

Which is why Japan is the worst country in the world.

>> No.5656776

>>5656714
>But if no money is being made, it can't be a criminal issue, so it'd have to be civil. Civil cases are about damages and losses. How can they calculate or estimate their losses when the products aren't even available for legal sale outside of Japan? It'd be a pretty odd case, not to mention expensive.

It depends on if statutory damages are available. I made a post earlier in the thread about US statutory damages, and how they require registration of a copyright, but not sure what is required for them in Canada, although it would only take a bit of cash to register the Eden copyright in Canada if registration is required and put themselves in a position where they can sue for statutory damages.

In Canada, statutory damages are 500-20,000 Canadian dollars per infringement. This does not require proving actual damages. If each individual download counts as infringement, this skyrockets fast.

>> No.5656784

Criminal =/= Civil

>> No.5656793

>>5656784

Thanks for that great piece of information

>> No.5656839

>>5656714
Relevant: http://www.itlaw.jp/CRIC200412.pdf

>As to lost sales volume, it is usually plaintiff’s lost sales volume. As it is very difficult to
prove plaintiff’s lost sales volume, however, the Copyright Law as revised in 2003 allows
plaintiff to use the infringer’s sales volume of infringing products instead of plaintiff’s lost
sales volume (Art. 114, Para. 1).

So plaintiff have to prove that number of downloads == infringer’s sales volume. It is usually not as hard as it sounds.

>> No.5656870

>>5656839
NNL even bragged on their site about the number of downloads their installer got, so it would be pretty easy for a "good" copyright lawyer.

>> No.5656930

>>5656870

Maybe but you cannot use that number as its worldwide, also Mindori does not allow international sales meaning the only valid number would be japanese IP downloads that could be "lost sales".

Its best just going after punitive damages, keeps out the whole "free trade infringement" from Mindori side.

>> No.5656954

>>5656930
If they could get statutory damages, which do not require proof of damages caused, then they would just go for that where international numbers would be counted (don't need to prove minori lost a cent from a particular download, because even if they didn't lose money, each download is still an infringement on minori's copyright).

>> No.5656967

/jp/ - Copyright/International Law

>> No.5656978

Also even if minori could not prove lost sale value from copyright infringement, which is punishable under criminal code:
>*Intentional infringement of copyright, moral rights, or neighboring rights (Art. 119, Item (i)) == Up to 5 years imprisonment and/or up to 5 million yen fines

They could always prove circumvention of DRM, as NNL have removed Windows locale/timezone and CD checks:
>Circumvention of technological protection measures (Art. 120bis, Cls. 1 and 2) == Up to 3 year imprisonment and/or up to 3 million yen fines.

Application of this part of law in Japan does not even require copyright owner's complaint.

>> No.5656981

>>5656967

Go away

>> No.5656990

>>5656954

Maybe but you are arguing to a Canadian Judge in a Canadian Court about a Japanese company that does not even wants to sell their product in the international market, let alone in Canada.

>> No.5657040

They're trolling. Idiots.

>> No.5657072

>>5656990
>Maybe but you are arguing to a Canadian Judge in a Canadian Court about a Japanese company that does not even wants to sell their product in the international market, let alone in Canada.

Still a procedure for such a company to sue, the only question is could they argue for statutory damages. In the US, foreign companies are required to register their copyright in the US before alleged infringing activity to get these damages. In Canada, I'm not sue if they need to as I don't see it specifically mentioned in the Canadian copyright act, although if they are required to register before infringement, they could easily register Eden before nnl releases it to put themselves in a position to pursue statutory damages.

>> No.5657077

>>5657040
And what minori get from assisting them in trolling /jp/?

>> No.5657180

>>5652386
What are you talking about? They're the ones who made Ef and Eden*.

>> No.5657211

>>5657077
The same thing they get from blocking gaijin ips

>> No.5657215

>>5657077

Perhaps they are getting trolled too?

>> No.5657717

>>5657211
They did not risk much when they blocked non-Japanese IPs, but now they link on their gaijin-frontpage a group which have done illegal translation and distribution of their works for free whilst ignoring C&Ds and actively making fun of them.
Promoting someone who actively provide(ed) free but illegal alternative for buying your products is not really a best business practice out there.

>> No.5657751

I wonder what's going on.... should we be worried? ;_;

>> No.5657758

>>5657751
yes. japs are going to destroy our glorious VN translation scene in cooperation with Interpol (internet police).

>> No.5657766

>>5657751
did you really want to play eden*?

>> No.5657791

>>5657766
I indeed did, until it was picked up by nnl.

>> No.5657854

>>5657766
I just feel sad if NNL can't be Minori devs anymore ;_;

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>> No.5658125

>>5657758
Does this mean that translated games that thus became shit will suddenly turn out to have been good all along?

>> No.5658136

>>5658125
only if they manage to erase every trace of translations ever existing

>> No.5658273

Can someone propose a valid "NNL is trolling" scenario for the situation at hand?

I see three posibilities:
1) NNL and minori are actively engaging in bilateral negotiations
2) NNL and minori are conspiring to troll /jp/
3) NNL is trolling minori

>> No.5658282

>>5658273
4) minori is trolling NNL
5) minori is trolling NNL, while NNL is trolling minori. sparks and drama will ensue.

>> No.5658297

>>5658273
NNL and minori are trolling each other and /jp/ is caught in the crossfire.

>> No.5658310

>>5658282
>5) minori is trolling NNL, while NNL is trolling minori. sparks and drama will ensue.
... I have a feeling that this will happen.

>> No.5658828

>>5657791
>I indeed did, until it was picked up by nnl.

There are a number of translators I would rather see working on Eden*, but I would rather see nnl working on it instead of Jaka who originally was doing it.

Also nnl did post that they wouldn't be pulling any bullshit in Eden* with the script like they did in ef.

>> No.5658957

>>5658828
>Also nnl did post that they wouldn't be pulling any bullshit in Eden* with the script like they did in ef.
And you believed them? Ohh..
They butchered wind.
They promised they would not do it again with ef.
They butchered ef.
Those who believe that they would not pull it again on eden* are just plain stupid.

>> No.5659082

>>5658957
They didn't really butcher ef, Wind had a third of the lines removed, ef didn't have anything like that.

Though by bullshit, was refering to lines like SUPRA, etc, which they said they were not doing for Eden* (though they said they were doing for Swells, so fuck Swells).

>> No.5659109

>>5659082
Since when adding things that were not supposed to be there does not count as butchery?

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>>5659082
ok, not removed, but added

>> No.5659129

This reminds me didn't LoSs and TinFoil talk to abunch of eroge companies at Comiket last year?

>> No.5659129,1 [INTERNAL] 

Honestly, you guys can't do anything, you can't translate and you just complain about everything using vulgar languages.
Where the hell is your gratitude and self - respect?
NNL DID translate ef for us and you guys keep calling them troll. I just... can't understand...

P/s: ef and eden* do NOT suck, check vndb out.

>> No.5659770

They'll only make things even worse.

>> No.5661401

So, any news regarding that nnt+moroni deal?

>> No.5661442

>>5661401
They're trolling each other.

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>> No.5661505

I think NNL is a pretty cool guy. eh trolls /jp/ and doesn't afraid of anything.

>> No.5661524

Rust in pieces, NNL.

>> No.5661729

>>5661524
Don't be mean to the Minori devs, they're ganbarimasu full force so we can read Minori VNs! ;_;

>> No.5661736

>>5661729
I guess enjoy being trolled then.

>> No.5662841

It looks like minori does not block foreigners from their shop: https://shop.minori.ph/minori/
Just wondering but did they lifted ban just recently or had they forgotten to apply it there all along?

>> No.5662968

>>5659770
And we care about that because?

I don't think anyone here cares about the "western market"

>> No.5663061

And nothing of value would be lost.

>> No.5663175

What's with this drama bullshit?

>> No.5663834

>>5662968
Speak for yourself shitposter.

>> No.5665145

Bump. More drama where?

>> No.5665244

>>5662968
>I don't think anyone here cares about the "western market"

Everyone here who relies on English translations does care, as MangaGamer has significantly boasted the number of translations we have seen.

>> No.5665281

>>5665244
And how many of us bought anything?

>> No.5665307

I hope they all die.

>> No.5665324

>>5665281
I personally have purchased KiraKira/Higurashi 1-4/Shuffle/Suika/Kana/YMK/Crescendo/Family Project

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