Remember when we all thought this is Ryo07's masterpiece ? That it's even better than Higurashi ?

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Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:09:15 2010 No.5634004 [Reply] [Original]

Remember when we all thought this is Ryo07's masterpiece ? That it's even better than Higurashi ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:10:15 2010 No.5634011 YES :( and animesuki is stil great :DXD

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:11:15 2010 No.5634014 it's going to be the same trainwreck as higurashi POWER OF LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP AND MAGIC GHOSTS

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:12:15 2010 No.5634019 >>5634004 Yes. Sweet memories of one second ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:13:15 2010 No.5634021 Not really. I wonder how he will ruin Lucia's route in Rewrite, her scenes were already the weakest of the trial. Fucking R07 gets worse with time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:13:15 2010 No.5634023 Who says it isn't anymore?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:15:15 2010 No.5634037 File: 16 KB, 656x546, r07notsogood.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lots of potential and great setting. Shit execution and horrible resolution.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:15:15 2010 No.5634045 It was enjoyable regardless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:27:15 2010 No.5634127 >>5634014 He has already done that very thing like ten times in the episodes so far, at least.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:29:15 2010 No.5634149 i enjoyed zepar and furfur's antics a lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:31:15 2010 No.5634163 >>5634004 >KILLER RORIS XD

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:33:15 2010 No.5634178 >>5634163 >Killer witches and meidos XD

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:36:15 2010 No.5634203 ah, back when umineko was simple.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:38:15 2010 No.5634218 >>5634203 Too complex for /jp's average poster

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:38:15 2010 No.5634225 R7 has been shitting things up recently, but like all good authors, he's good even when he's bad. Every episode so far has been great to one degree or another, even if it's just one scene of pure pwnage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:39:15 2010 No.5634231 You won't even be able to enjoy the first episodes, because ShKanon is everywhere. Fuck you, Ryu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:44:15 2010 No.5634272 Im going to laugh when this ShKanon bullshit has nothing too do with the story at all, and you guys can rage in your shit, while i actually enjoy it for what it is.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:44:15 2010 No.5634275

>>5634225
ZOMG THE WITCHES ARE TROLLING AND BATTLER GOES UOOOOOOOOO BEST STORY EVER.

No, the writing is mediocre, you can find some semblance of entertainment in all this crap but it's the same way you'll find entertainment in some really shitty anime, you just laugh at how fucking retarded everything is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:45:15 2010 No.5634283 >>5634225 >pwnage Umineko fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:47:15 2010 No.5634303 >>5634011 Reported for emoticons

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:48:15 2010 No.5634311 ...Were people honestly expecting things to turn out any differently than they have? I mean, not in terms of specific plot points, but general theme. If you didn't catch on by ep2, then you've just been deluding yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:49:15 2010 No.5634322 ookamikakushit is exactly ryu07's abilities at work seacats will end like that, unless he finds himself another author

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:50:15 2010 No.5634325

You know the best thing in Umineko is when thers like epick music starts playng and like Batler is like UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and new characrtes is like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU and batler agin UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and like someone els is like FUUUUUUUUUU and the another character is like NO U im like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU im fucking love when it happens!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:51:15 2010 No.5634331 >>5634311 >everything will get shitty You are quite deluded yourself anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:54:15 2010 No.5634353 >>5634325 I like Umineko but I have to admit that this made me laugh so hard.

>>	Magical Type-Moon Index !MOONRXwPDU Mon Jul 12 11:54:15 2010 No.5634357 >>5634353 Because it's true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:55:15 2010 No.5634364 guys, your going to read all of his work still anyway,so just enjoy it, not by what you think should be the end. but what r07 thinks should be.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:01:15 2010 No.5634416 >>5634364 Actually, I haven't convinced myself to read EP6, which I haven't even downloaded yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:02:15 2010 No.5634433 >>5634322 Ookamikakushi = not R07. Only concept. Fail harder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:03:15 2010 No.5634444 >/jp/ discovers Umineko >Everyone loves it >Board is filled with threads after every release >Anime is made >http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle6cd1cskka05i >Remember when we thought Umineko was good? >Umineko was never good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:05:15 2010 No.5634461 >>5634416 well, then you shouldn't read any further anyway, because you obviously don't like Umineko for what it is without all this theory shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:06:15 2010 No.5634471 >>5634303 this made me lol thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:06:15 2010 No.5634472 >>5634444 That and I think some are butthurt he insulted everyone in ep. 6

Blitzmage !!xGikHw8/YBp Mon Jul 12 12:07:15 2010 No.5634476

>>5634004

Shame that isn't a huge picture it would look awesome. In fact why have they never thought of merchandising the portraits and stuff on Umineko. I'd totally have a huge portrait of Beatrice with a fancy frame hanging up on my wall.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:08:15 2010 No.5634481 >>5634444 That might be true to some extebnd for say, F/SN, but you can't argue against Umineko getting worse since EP4. Unless you think ShKanon, MAGICAL BATTLES, EPIC TROLLING XD and Meta World bullshit are the greatest things ever. Also, >greentext

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:09:15 2010 No.5634493 >>5634481 Episode 5 was awesome, fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:09:15 2010 No.5634494 >>5634004 >Remember when we all thought this is Ryo07's masterpiece ? That it's even better than Higurashi ? Then the translation came out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:10:15 2010 No.5634498 >>5634481 Depends on what you read it for. If you wanted a straight mystery you should have given up a long time ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:11:15 2010 No.5634507 >>5634493 And I bet you cried when prince A married princess B too

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:12:15 2010 No.5634512
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>>5634481
>Unless you think ShKanon, MAGICAL BATTLES, EPIC TROLLING XD and Meta World bullshit are the greatest things ever.

That's like saying you hated District 9 because it has aliens in it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:14:15 2010 No.5634519 >>5634512 I did. If it were jews that movie would have won an oscar.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:14:15 2010 No.5634523

>>5634493
Actually, I meant "EP4 included" as in "the last good episode was 3.
>>5634498
Yeah, I guess I'm a real retard for expecting a proper mystery when the author hyped it as one.
I also must admit that I liked that Magial Battles at first and whatever, but it got completely ridiculous.
Not even so stupid and over-the-top, it's funny again, just pure shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:15:15 2010 No.5634528 What's with the caps lock and shouting and sarcasm? Can you please stop that? You guys look stupid.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:16:15 2010 No.5634534

I think it's pretty obvious that R07 thinks that you can solve the mystery by the fourth game, and now he's dumbing down the concepts for people who haven't figured it out, all the while trolling them subtly or obviously. Personally I still like the meta stuff and seeing how that will turn out is mostly what I'm looking forward to.

>>	Anon2007 !WEEABooXS6 Mon Jul 12 12:17:15 2010 No.5634537 >>5634507 Does this sound like super mario bros. or the legend of zelda to you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:17:15 2010 No.5634539 >>5634523 You should have known it wasn't going to be considering the whole witches and shit thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:18:15 2010 No.5634550 Remember when people were jumping to conclusions and flipping out even though it hasn't ended yet and we didn't know the entire truth behind things? Oh, wait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:20:15 2010 No.5634563 >>5634004 I don't even know why all the hate, I don't usually go into the theory threads and i don't really care about them, I thought so far every ep was a decent read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:22:15 2010 No.5634585 >>5634563 Yeah, it decent, no argument there. Hence the "even better than Higurasghi" thing. As in, not only decent but great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:24:15 2010 No.5634598 >>5634563 You read ep6 yet? People hate it because the solution is probably final and it is absurd and stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:24:15 2010 No.5634600 Umineko is a 7/10 experience as a whole for me I guess. Not terrible but not really what I would call good, pretty average. I don't hate it and I will finish it so it's good enough, not even close to being as good as some of my favorites though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:25:15 2010 No.5634610 I like reading Umineko for the same reason I like watching Evil Dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:26:15 2010 No.5634618 >>5634610 Don't compare the awesomeness of Evil Dead to Umineko faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:27:15 2010 No.5634621 >>5634585 The thing is, I have been reading Higurasghi too, Its different I know, but I think its just as decent as Umineko. The only difference is mion and takano and rena are my waifus, but that should not judge a story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:28:15 2010 No.5634627 >>5634598 well it was the same for huragashi too, i thought?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:29:15 2010 No.5634631 >>5634627 The various games of Higurashi were far more self contained. Everything about Umineko build to one big mystery. So no, not really the same thing.

>>	Anon2007 !WEEABooXS6 Mon Jul 12 12:30:15 2010 No.5634637 >>5634618 Evil dead sucks way worser than umineko!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:30:15 2010 No.5634640 >>5634621 (same guy) I forgot , natushi is also my waifu, so both vns are about the same for me at least.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:31:15 2010 No.5634643

>>5634627
I find DID and Hinamizawa syndrome to be on the same level.
But Takano fake death is definitely more believable than a killer meido walking around the island for 2days without anyone noticing and how the unknown gender meido is being loved by 2boys and 1girl.

See >>5634037 on my feelings toward seacat.
It is like Chaos Head all over again and only with worse resolution and ending.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:34:15 2010 No.5634658 File: 77 KB, 793x523, enjoyment chart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5634037 Superior.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:35:15 2010 No.5634661

>>5634643
I think we should all just wait and see how it ends..., if you really enjoy, continue reading it, if you don't, then don't. Also chaos head is in my top 10, only because of the taku. I think CH would of been better if it was about a yandere chasing after taku, would of been better, at least for me.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:36:15 2010 No.5634666

>>5634643
They're not quite on the same level. DID could technically be predicted from episode one (actually, I found it a bit suspicious how Kanon seemed to be there whenever she needed to be comforted). I'd say DID is still a really bad idea for a mystery. Let's hope it's a red herring.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:36:15 2010 No.5634667 >>5634658 Episode 5 was shit, I'll never understand why you guys liked it. Oh I get OH KINZO IS JUMPING BY THE WINDOWS I WOULDN'T PUT IT PASS HIM SO AWESOME. The only entertaining thing about this episode was to see all the weird faces Bern did.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:37:15 2010 No.5634673

The thing is, the real nature of the curse or whatever Takano's group was up to was never all that important.
Higurashi was more a story of 6 mentally unstable kids, that went batshit at the slightest provocation, thrown together with the curse mysteriously lingering in the background.
Characters are what drove Higurashi, not the mystery.
That's why you still can enjoy all episodes despite knowing the truth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:38:15 2010 No.5634675 >>5634658 Eeeeeeeeeeh? Episode 5? What the hell, please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:39:15 2010 No.5634679 I loved episode 1, gave up at episode 3. Have to say it was more awesome without all this lol magic shit

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:39:15 2010 No.5634681

>>5634666
>red herring.
Probably not?
DID is probably the only logical explanation to beat the logic error on how Kanon is not in that room.
I guess R07 can redeem himself if he troll all of us thinking shkanon as the absolute truth with some mindblowing revelation.
I dont see R07 pulling a miracle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:39:15 2010 No.5634682 At least there's no HIJACKED BY RIKA in Umineko

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:39:15 2010 No.5634683

I think people take Umineko a little too seriously sometimes (which is funny, because it's not exactly the most serious thing around). I for one am heavily invested in the characters, story, and mystery, but I take it for what it is and enjoy what I can. Shkanontrice doesn't even bother me; I know it's a bit of a cop out but it has been building to this.

Plus, all the trolling the series contains and spawns is hilarious.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:40:15 2010 No.5634684

>>5634667
The trial scene at the end was amazing. The way he kept you on edge, constantly wondering when/if Battler was going to turn it around was nerve wracking. I'd finally given up and then it gets turned around in the fucking teaparty! At the very least, it was better than episodes 2 and 4. 1 3 and 5 were all excellent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:40:15 2010 No.5634685 File: 443 KB, 640x480, 1262837585574.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5634667 You have no taste

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:40:15 2010 No.5634687 >>5634682 How exactly is this working in Umineko's favor?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:42:15 2010 No.5634691 >>5634684 The trial scene was stupid. If you stop listening at the awesome music and just read what is written, you'll see that it's just retards arguing with other retards with retarded arguments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:42:15 2010 No.5634692 >>5634667 Ushiromiya Natsuhi no Yuuutsu not so bad

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:42:15 2010 No.5634695

>>5634667
>>5634675
-Bern being awesome
-Kinzo being awesome despite being dead
-Erika being a trolling faggot
-Dlanor
-Battler being an idiot like usual, but Piece mans the fuck up
-Beato, Sandcastles, BAWWW
-Fantastic ending
-Pacing is good, except for one 10 minute part during the trial scene, compared to the 10-11 hours worth of reading it's insignificant

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:44:15 2010 No.5634700 >>5634682 EP5 was semi-hijacked by Bern, if that counts. EP7 might count, too.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:44:15 2010 No.5634701

>>5634691
You can't just take the music out, you dick. That's like saying you can take the art or the story out. It's all blended together to make the episode. I will admit, without the music it wouldn't have had nearly the same impact, but that's irrelevant. I also like how Episode 5 actually set up for goddamn rules. Without Episode 5 it would be impossible to actually solve Umineko (without randomly guessing) because you wouldn't know if Ryu07 was just going to pull some more brain parasite bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:44:15 2010 No.5634704 >>5634695 Natsuhi being the best waifu ever. Ep. 5 was awesome. Fuck everyone who thinks otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:45:15 2010 No.5634708 >>5634691 >This thread was stupid. >If you stop listening at the awesome /jp/ music stream and just read what is written, you'll see that it's just retards arguing with other retards with retarded arguments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:45:15 2010 No.5634709 >>5634695 I too can make a list of everything that is introduced and that happened in any other episode.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:45:15 2010 No.5634711

>>5634683
That is what i don't get.,I also think people are going way too far...,I think its a enjoyable read and I also really like some characters (natushi/bern rosa). people have too chill and just go for the ride. There was no shit like theorys in higurashi, and i think that was the reason it was more fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:46:15 2010 No.5634714 >>5634683 I agree with this completely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:48:15 2010 No.5634718 >>5634683 >>5634714 I hope you read Ep6 and enjoy being insulted by R07. He hates readers like you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:48:15 2010 No.5634721 >>5634711 >>5634714 The problem is that the ride isn't even that good, episode 6 was a borefest.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:48:15 2010 No.5634724

>>5634681
Kanon broke the seals on whatever. He then steals infinite erika's tape. He enters battler's room ad gives the tape to him. Battler kills Kanon, butchering him up, wash his piece in the bath. Battler then proceeds to recover all the pieces, throw them ino the room where kanon was and reseals the room with the tape.
Logic error fixed, no ShKannontrice or whatever also.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:48:15 2010 No.5634727

>>5634711
I think everyone who's angry just feels a bit cheated. As Ryu07 continually put it in episode 5, there's a bond that forms from the expectations between reader and creator. A lot of people have stopped trusting Umineko as a mystery, and that's what they were reading it for. My hope is that they're wrong and we'll see a fantastic ending which is not based upon DID (I don't care if it actually exists, but I won't like it if it's the basis for the whole mystery).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:49:15 2010 No.5634732 >>5634724 Oh wow, someone that is more retarded than R07. Erika is at the bathroom at this moment genius,

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:50:15 2010 No.5634734 File: 15 KB, 163x162, 1272764873881.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5634718 Because I enjoy his writing? I also think about and try to solve the mystery, too. I just don't rage about it like others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:51:15 2010 No.5634747 >>5634732 Not all the time, surely. No detective authority, so there is a possibility she just overlooked a person being butcherd at her back. Also, I was joking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:52:15 2010 No.5634750 Where the fuck did all the fans that read ep6 months ago go? they where doing ep7 chats and stream, just before you guys read it...., did they leave because you guys are being assholes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:52:15 2010 No.5634751 I thought Umineko may have been great until episode 2 was released

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:52:15 2010 No.5634753 Somewhat unrelated, but does anyone know where I can find a tracklist of the EP6 BGM?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:52:15 2010 No.5634754 >>5634734 You didn't read episode 6. Come back when it's done.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:52:15 2010 No.5634755 >>5634718 Some people don't care if he takes jabs at his readers. He insults himself too. Stop being so upset about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:54:15 2010 No.5634766 All the talk of logic errors in EP6 makes me feel like R07 made one himself in an earlier episode and was forced to make these latter ones to account for it.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:55:15 2010 No.5634774 >>5634753 Look in your Umineko folder BGM2 has all the new tracks

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:55:15 2010 No.5634776 >>5634754 (not him) but im reading it slowly and liking it, I dont care about the theorys, I just read it too kill time and have a fun read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:56:15 2010 No.5634781 >>5634037 You are the one taking anything as "resolution" here. Anyway making something better than higurashi is not that hard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:56:15 2010 No.5634783 >>5634724 the chain remains un-set since kanon's not alive anymore to re-set it after battler leaves the room. logic error still exists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:58:15 2010 No.5634796 >>5634776 I don't care about the theories either, it's just a fact that Ryukishi insults the readers who don't care about the theories in episode 6. No need to feel upset or anything about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:58:15 2010 No.5634797 >>5634754 I REALLY don't want to read EP6 until I have a murderer and motive I've found on my own, even if it's far off. Does he bat out those trying to solve the mystery?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:59:36 2010 No.5634811 >>5634797 Not really. Ep6 say that there is only confessions, Ryukishi says that he well not give a clear answer. Choose what you like most.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:00:15 2010 No.5634814 >>5634797 After reading ep6, all close room/puzzle that Beato threw at you from ep1-4 are solvable. You are just missing some motives and mastermind for the killings that arent done by the killer meido.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:00:15 2010 No.5634816 >>5634658 That's pretty accurate. It's like I did that chart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:00:15 2010 No.5634818 >>5634797 Not really. Ep6 say that there is only confessions, Ryukishi says that he will not give a clear answer. Choose what you like most;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:01:15 2010 No.5634821 >>5634811 All right. On that regard, has anyone on the Internet solved the mystery yet? It's been a year since I last came here, so I wouldn't know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:01:15 2010 No.5634823 Pretty acurate but I don't agree with ep3. the awesomness starts too early here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:01:15 2010 No.5634824 >>5634783 Battler wraped the wire to Kanon pieces AND the lock so that when they would have been compleately washed away in the bath the chain would be set. No interference from external sources since Battler would have done this within the room.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:03:15 2010 No.5634829 >>5634821 apparently. In ep4 Ryukishi said that no, but now apparently some people have found "the key" but are not trying to use it in ep 1-5.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:03:15 2010 No.5634831 >>5634658 >Episode 4 While it was horribly boring I think it should spike up more a little bit due to the delicious Magic Fightan between Jessica and George, not to mention Kraus, Kyrie, Shanon, and Kanon's escape fro Kuwadorian

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:03:15 2010 No.5634834

/jp/ is just mad because Ryukishi wounded their egos by informing them that they having the reading comprehension of elementary schoolers.

If you had no problem understanding what Umineko was about, you wouldn't be offended by what Ryukishi said because it wouldn't apply to you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:04:15 2010 No.5634838 >>5634831 Also the end of ep4 should be at least equal to ep5.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:05:15 2010 No.5634845

>>5634824
it is impossible to set the lock from the outside of the room or use any mechanisms or tricks to close it though.

how would you rise the chain to the lock, insert it and set it with some wire that pulls it in a direction that's opposite from the direction you have to move the chain to set it, without letting erika who's in the room notice?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:05:15 2010 No.5634848 File: 215 KB, 900x900, 11712024.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5634796 Your fault if you read Umineko expecting all the answers to be thrown down your throat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:06:15 2010 No.5634851 >>5634781 What are you talking? I feel sorry for you if you still can't see how seacat will be ending after ep6. I am hoping for R07 to pull a I TROLL U card to redeem himself but I doubt he can do with his writing ability.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:07:15 2010 No.5634853 >>5634838 Ep4 end was really stupid. It seemed awesome during, and then right after you realize "Oh wait, all of Battler's points were FUCKING RETARDED."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:07:15 2010 No.5634856 >>5634838 Nothing is superior to the end of episode 4. The escape from the prison, Kinzo's challenge, the cousin's battles, nothing can top this.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:07:15 2010 No.5634859

>>5634834
I chuckled because it reminded my of some people I had encountered. Especially the whole part about ignoring anything but the red. The numbers about who would understand were complete bullshit, of course (made up statistics without any real data gathering, and all)... but to an extent I agreed. Some people just don't even try.

And then I read this thread.

I'm laughing my ass off right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:07:15 2010 No.5634861 >>5634853 I agree, but at least it was funny. And the music.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:08:15 2010 No.5634865 >>5634853 "My favorite was the small bombs" "Please don't mention that."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:09:15 2010 No.5634871 >>Remember when we all thought this is Ryo07's masterpiece ? I've had a lot of fun with it so far. If it peters out right before the end I'll be a little sad, but I don't feel that a bad ending will invalidate all the good in the entire experience.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:09:15 2010 No.5634873

>>5634845
>it is impossible to set the lock from the outside of the room or use any mechanisms or tricks to close it though.

Not really that more tricky than DID to bypass the grammar. Also, I don't remeber the mechanism part in the last definition of closed room given in ep6, the one that erika requested. But maybe I'm just not remebering it well.

>without letting erika who's in the room notice?
Just like you trick people in beliving you are actually two differnt servants, of opposite gender, and much more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:09:15 2010 No.5634877 >>5634848 My fault? What's my fault? I'm just aknowledging this, and I'm perfectly fine with it. Not going to change, bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:10:15 2010 No.5634878 [red]Everyone is tsundere for Ryukishi.[/red]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:10:15 2010 No.5634883 >>5634878 >>>/rs/No

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:11:15 2010 No.5634885 >>5634865 Well, we have a big bomb right now. Not so different.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:12:15 2010 No.5634894

>>5634873
>bypass the grammar
No such thing here. They fucking shove and hammer this point into your brain in ep6.
When Kanon is the dominant personality the red text refer to him as Kanon and vice versa when Shannon is the dominant personality.
This is the trick used for all unsolvable the red text.
Kanon does not exist in the bedroom because it is Shannon and she is hiding under the bedroom and not the closet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:12:15 2010 No.5634901 >>5634859 >some people I had encountered Oh, and where did you encounter them? Not real life for obvious reasons and not on /jp/ for nonone talks like that when refering to others here. I'd say, some shitty anime forum perhaps? Go right back there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:14:15 2010 No.5634910 File: 79 KB, 670x480, 1249464552973.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5634901 >not on /jp/ Ahahahaha! Oh you!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:14:15 2010 No.5634913 >>5634732 She has no detective authority, so there's a chance that she hadn't noticed him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:14:15 2010 No.5634916 >>5634894 personality are not persons. When Shannon exists, Kanon also does. Everything else is bypassing grammar with stupidity. By which I don't mean ShKannon isn't right, it most probably is, but still it's quite retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:14:15 2010 No.5634917 File: 174 KB, 635x473, 1261945146828.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5634859 I want to know why people got so upset he insulted them now. Lambda was insulting everyone in ep. 5. Erika was a parody of most people on /jp/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:16:15 2010 No.5634929 >>5634916 Read ep6 again. Ange and Featherinne was talking about how personality count as a person and this is the reason why I think ep6 is shit and was totally disappointed with R07.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:18:15 2010 No.5634946 >>5634910 Nice reading comprehension. Since when do you say you "encountered some people on /jp/"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:18:15 2010 No.5634949 >>5634917 Because the people on /jp/ are so clueless that they didn't understand they were being insulted in EP5. Ryukishi had to drop all subtlety for people to get the point, just like he has to do with everything else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:18:15 2010 No.5634952 >>5634917 it made it all the more awesome if you were smart enough to catch this

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:18:15 2010 No.5634956 >>5634946 I could say that. Why shouldn't I?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:18:15 2010 No.5634957 >>5634929 THAT is bypassing grammar. It's not like umineko is rewriting the dictionary. they never stated what a person is in red, so for now it' not persons=personalities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:19:15 2010 No.5634964 >>5634929 Count as a person. But it doesn't mean that only one of them exist. I think you're the one not understanding what this anon is saying here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:20:15 2010 No.5634971 File: 19 KB, 300x300, 1278855372972.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So...any predictions for EP7?

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:21:15 2010 No.5634981

>>5634964
Ok.
Please read ep6 again. Kanon went in to save Battler and he became Shannon.
This is the only way to break the logic error "Kanon does not exist in this bedroom".
Go argue with R07 about grammer personality shit. I am not the writer. I am probably as disappointed as you with R07 cop out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:21:15 2010 No.5634982 >>5634971 The red guy being the man from 19 yeas ago, Battler's first love, so Battler is a gay breast sommelier, and the other being Wright throwed in by Bern for the lulz.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:22:15 2010 No.5634988 >>5634982 The red person is not male. Are you..fucking joking?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:23:15 2010 No.5635001 >>5634988 He has not breast, plus look at the buttons from his/her jacket.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:24:15 2010 No.5635005 >>5634971 Bern sends Knox and Agatha Crystie (who looks exactly like Beato, so she can mock him) to solve the mystery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:24:15 2010 No.5635006 File: 322 KB, 640x480, bow.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The candy case in EP2 was evidence strong enough for ShKannontrice. If no one saw it coming because it seemed stupid.. It can't be helped.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:24:15 2010 No.5635007 >>5635001 >breasts self fix'd

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:24:15 2010 No.5635008

>>5634971
K1 will show up in a frilly dress as the witch of friendship or something and solve the mystery in half an episode. The other half will involve him punching Battler for being a wuss and bitchslapping Bern for being a faggot. Battler finally notices what an incompetent moron he is and leaves for hobo end until he's a good enough husband for Beatrice.

I mean, it's about fucking time.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:25:15 2010 No.5635011

People take Ryukushi's characters far too personally.

Is Erika a reference to harsh anti-mystery people? Sure. And Featherine is a reference to Ryukushi.

But to go so far as to think that this is an insult is just taking things personally.

Or even worst, completely disregarding the relationship between writer and reader.

When he makes a character like Erika, he's not saying

"You all think like Erika you Heartless faggots, LOLOLOL"

he's saying

"This way of thinking is flawed and won't get us to a happy ending"

jesus people, have none of you EVER read ANY books before?

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:25:15 2010 No.5635013

>>5634981
I think I read ep6 months before you, so don't worry, I know this very well. And yes, the "only way to solve the logic error" is by bypassing grammar , so it doesn't work.
Also, keeps your "only way" for yourself. it is the more foreshadowed way. I agree on this. But just because you are not finding anything else, it doesn't mean that there isn't anything else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:26:15 2010 No.5635021 >>5634750 >fans that read ep6 months ago >ep7 chats and stream These aren't related at all. Plus many people read it with atlas and didn't understood most of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:27:15 2010 No.5635028 >>5634971 If Van Dine's rules appear, Umineko is pretty much fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:27:15 2010 No.5635031 >>5635005 Too bad Knox is dead. Dlanor executed him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:28:15 2010 No.5635040 >>5635028 What are Van Dine's Rules, out of curiosity?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:28:15 2010 No.5635042 >>5635006 We saw it, idiot. It doesn't make it any less retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:28:52 2010 No.5635043 >>5635011 >>read >>wrong board will. More seriously, the whole ep5 was talking about the relationship between reader and author, so yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:29:15 2010 No.5635054 >>5635040 http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/vandine.htm Here they are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:29:15 2010 No.5635055 >>5635011 >>read >>wrong board Well. More seriously, the whole ep5 was talking about the relationship between reader and author, so yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:29:15 2010 No.5635062 >>5635031 Than Van Dine and Agata Christie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:30:15 2010 No.5635065 >>5635006 People SAW it coming. And until ep4, Ryukishi said that nobody found the answer. So.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:30:15 2010 No.5635066

>>5635013
Read >>5634851. If R07 pulled it off he will redeem himself but I doubt it is possible. Seacat will be another VN confine to the status of mediocrity if it stays this way. Sorry if I insulted your favourite VN.
Also it is already pretty much stated that no mechanism exist for them to play with the chain lock. The wire hangars that Battler used earlier melted if I remember correctly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:30:15 2010 No.5635075 >>5634971 I'm expecting porn of him and Battler very soon

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:30:15 2010 No.5635079

>>5635031
Ghost of Knox, then. A ghost detective. Fuck yeah. Though new dude is most likely Wright.

I'm still waiting for five goatmen to combine into Buer (in form of a girl in a frilly dress with goat legs coming out of her hair like ridiculous ribbons, of course. ) Do not disappoint, Ryukishi.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:31:15 2010 No.5635080

What put me off of Umineko is that I was a die hard fan of mystery novels and point and click detective games.
So when a Umineko came along and set itself up as a proper mystery I got hyped as hell.
I cranked out my good old detective notebook and started taking notes of clues and what stroke me as odd.
Then I started writing down Red Text, thinking that it was an interesting take at first.
Then things got wierd, but I could still make some sense of everything.
Then I realized that Umineko wasn't a proper mystery at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:31:15 2010 No.5635088 >>5635028 >>No love Wait, what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:33:15 2010 No.5635109 >>5635080

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:33:15 2010 No.5635117 >11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit. This is begging a noble question. It is a too easy solution. The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person — one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:34:24 2010 No.5635120 [DELETED]

>>5635066
Not my favorite VN, no.
But you are still jumping to conclusion far too quickly. Shkannon can be true, I don't care, even if it would really be stupid, it's only a game.
But saying that HAVE TO BE is this because we don't see any other answer is pretty much like Ryukishi did in ep2, before saying that magical scene are metaphor.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:35:15 2010 No.5635128

>>5635066
Not my favorite VN, no.
But you are still jumping to conclusion far too quickly. Shkannon can be true, I don't care, even if it would really be stupid, it's only a game.
But saying that it HAVE TO BE true because we don't see any other answer is pretty much like Ryukishi did in ep2, before saying that magical scene are metaphor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:36:15 2010 No.5635132 >>5635117 That would destroy Shkannon, unless they're not considered servants.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:36:15 2010 No.5635135 >>5635117 Oh but ShKannontrice is two servant. Right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:36:15 2010 No.5635137 >>5635117 Basically, dine don't allow anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:36:15 2010 No.5635138 File: 270 KB, 1000x476, kohakudoori.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5635117 If he's really Dine then it would be the great "lol i trolled u" ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:37:15 2010 No.5635148 >>5635137 i lol'ed because it's true http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/vandine.htm

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:37:15 2010 No.5635150

>>5635120
I am a realistic person and I believe 99% that this is the solution and it also explains ep1-4 with no contradictions. It is a shitty and retarded solution but it fits. I sure hope R07 prove me wrong and mindfuck me later if there is an "alternate" truth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:37:15 2010 No.5635151 >>5635117 I think it might be sorta forgivable just based on how many servants there are. But, then again none of the other servants are at all suspicious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:38:15 2010 No.5635161 >>5635137 No, not really. Just shitty overused plot devices dumb authors tend to use the most.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:39:15 2010 No.5635162

>>5635137
If Shkannon is true, Shkannon is the content of "land of the golden witch" ( if to you it isn't, go an try to find what it is supposed to be in ep6)

And this content was never needed to find the answer about the murders.
So even without Dine, if Shkannon is true, it is probably here only to remove annoying red.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:40:15 2010 No.5635169 >>5635137 >>5635148 Dine only specifies what must not be part of the story for it to be a MYSTERY. If the reader can't properly solve it, or it's too easy to solve it's not a proper mystery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:40:15 2010 No.5635170 Umineko is bad and the fans are even worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:40:15 2010 No.5635172 >>5635162 The content of Land was put in episode 5, try again. R07 said that the way to solve the last closed room of episode 6 was the "key" to solve most of Umineko.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:41:15 2010 No.5635182
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But then he included Knox, however

> 14. The method of murder, and the means of detecting it, must be be rational and scientific. That is to say, pseudo-science and purely imaginative and speculative devices are not to be tolerated in the roman policier. Once an author soars into the realm of fantasy, in the Jules Verne manner, he is outside the bounds of detective fiction, cavorting in the uncharted reaches of adventure.

Can this shit work in Seacats?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:42:15 2010 No.5635186 >>5635172 Same here, just change this by Erika seeing everyone in the same piece but no.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:42:15 2010 No.5635187

>>5635128 Shkannon can be true, I don't care, even if it would really be stupid, it's only a game.
Why? Because it's only a game, you can't expect a good story.
There's three plot devices which embodies bad writing and shouldn't be used most of the time: characters back from the death, amnesia, split personnality (fun fact, it's all in Gundam Wing, which really show how bad it is).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:42:15 2010 No.5635193 >>5635162 >Shkannon is the content of "land of the golden witch" No it's not. Trap demons say that in the Golden Land ALL love can be granted without restrictions Kanon and Shannon have, supposedly because they are shkannon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:43:15 2010 No.5635194 File: 36 KB, 914x579, umineko is a peice of shit 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:43:15 2010 No.5635199 >>5635187 No, but I will not kill myself if it comes to be the answer. I agree, Shkannontrice is the most retarded trick ever, maybe even worse than small bombs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:44:15 2010 No.5635201 I can't understand how anyone could obsess over this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:44:15 2010 No.5635204 >>5635182 Who the hell is Fair?

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:45:15 2010 No.5635207

>>5635182
>the methods of murder
>the means of detecting it

It is clear at this point an actual human is committing murder. Battler is not allowed to use a supernatural entity or whatever to explain the murder. I guess the red truth is stretching it, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:45:15 2010 No.5635211 >>5635187 >select plot devices >objectively bad Ohoho, why not just whore ourselves out then?

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:46:15 2010 No.5635228

If Shkannon is real, the s/he would definitely be a very broken person. Even more so if we added the aspect of Beatrice to it. Someone so completely deranged would be easy to manipulate. So, it could still be true and be the answer to a lot of the problems in Umineko, without necessarily being the true culprit. Just a very useful tool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:47:15 2010 No.5635231 >>5635187 At least, Wing was good enough as a parody. Umineko is not.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:48:15 2010 No.5635241

>>5635199
People are not killing themselves over it, but it's always right to complain if you think you've wasted your time on a shitty story.
But yeah, this is the internet, and each time you give your opinion there's retards yelling at you U MAD, RAAAAGE, BUTTHURT,... and so on.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:48:15 2010 No.5635247

>>5634873
>Just like you trick people in beliving you are actually two differnt servants, of opposite gender, and much more.

that's one thing, another is using pliers to rip a guy to tiny pieces and then flushing them through the drain, all the while erika is in the bathroom or close to it.

it's not like you can shred a guy to small pieces in an instant, it'd take hours.

hours during which erika mustn't spot anyone at all, because if she does, the illusion of magical escape will instantly vanish.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:49:15 2010 No.5635257 >>5635211 objectively bad >>5635187 There's three plot devices which embodies bad writing and shouldn't be used most of the time >shouldn't be used most of the time >most of the time Learn to read.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:49:15 2010 No.5635261

another main problem with Shkannontrice is that pieces have to know the red and everything to act this way. Basically the world would become a complete mess.
Also, yes, it is an useful tool for the writer. For us I don't really see what utility it could have.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:50:15 2010 No.5635262 >>5635199 Nobody is killing themselves over this. More like disappointment and wasted potential. It could have been another Coco route but after this seacat will forever be consigned to the status of mediocrity after a great start.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:50:15 2010 No.5635268

>>5635211
DID could be an effective plot devise, in a romance or some stupid shit like that. In a mystery it can not ever be a good plot device. Sure DID might address the HOW, but it does not address the WHY. First off, why does Shanon have fucking DID? Why does DID cause her to kill people? Why do several people ignore her DID? Why does the detective never notice any signs at all of her DID? To be a proper mystery and utilize this device it must be possible for the reader to gauge why the device is in place. This reminds me of Episode 5 when they were accusing Natsuhi. You can make up all the shit in the world to technically fit the solution, but it doesn't matter if there's no reason why it's correct in the first place!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:51:15 2010 No.5635277 >>5635211 Well, if you're watching a soaper, they are good, I think.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:52:15 2010 No.5635286

>This disorder is theoretically linked with the interaction of overwhelming stress, traumatic antecedents,[23] insufficient childhood nurturing, and an innate ability to dissociate memories or experiences from consciousness.[2] A high percentage of patients report child abuse.[24][25] People diagnosed with DID often report that they have experienced severe physical and sexual abuse, especially during their childhood.[26]

Kinzo confirmed for rapist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:53:15 2010 No.5635290 I told you months ago. You faggots called me a troll. You brought it upon yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:53:15 2010 No.5635293 File: 329 KB, 640x480, 1278869996019.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: People ignoring the true mastermind

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:53:15 2010 No.5635294 >>5635268 Wrong, DID would not even adress the how in a classical mystery, not in the same way as Shkannon where nobody see the murderer, in any case... Only in Umineko because of the red...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:55:15 2010 No.5635303 >>5635293 Kyrie is Takano after she changed her hair color. Prove me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:56:15 2010 No.5635304 >>5635293 It would be really nice if Kyrie were the true culprit. Anything is better than Shkannontrice.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:56:15 2010 No.5635306

>>5635286
Shannon/Kanon killed Kinzo for raping her and somewhere along the way Shannon died as well in the conflict.
The servants and family then collude to hide this fact while Kanon developed a DID for Shannon loss. They sympathize with Kanon loss and therefore roleplay along with Kanon's Shannon delusions which Battler failed to pick up.

Notice how stupid all this sound? That is R07 for you.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:56:15 2010 No.5635307

>>5635268
Actually, I should probably mention this. The reason I bring up the issue of WHY is because I started rereading through Umineko searching for anywhere which might show ShKanon existing. I found a lot of possible evidence. On the other hand, I searched everywhere for any mention of why ShKanon might exist and I found nothing. Shanon is happy for god's sake, what reason could she possibly have to make up an imaginary friend?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:58:15 2010 No.5635325 File: 107 KB, 600x800, 1278854986074.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This guy must be Dlanor's boss.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:59:15 2010 No.5635328 >>5635307 To fulfill the promise her made to battler, she says it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:59:15 2010 No.5635329 >>5635307 People don't care about the why. Possible answer => truth. Even with Erika annoying us during one whole episode "WHY, WHO AND HOW" just before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:00:15 2010 No.5635332 >>5635325 I agree. >>5635328 Then she isn't the killer. No revenge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:00:15 2010 No.5635336 >>5635329 Yeah, I think people just expect Ryu07 to find the why for them. This is a mystery, you're supposed to try to solve it yourself. If there is no WHY there is no answer.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:01:15 2010 No.5635339
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Why would Battler suddenly stop hating this monster of a witch who killed his family over something so petty he couldn't even remember until the fifth episode? I'll give you a hint.

Beatrice is not the culprit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:02:15 2010 No.5635346 >>5635339 No way nigga

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:03:15 2010 No.5635352

>>5635339
I think the same. Shkannontrice being true of not.
Moreover it makes sense with the "scapegoat", and she could say that she is the culprit only to spend more time with Battler. Like Ange and Lambdadelta.
But then Ryukishi's last interview is annoying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:03:15 2010 No.5635353 >>5635339 Sup slowpoke. Beatrice doesnt exist. It is an imaginary person that the real murderer use as a scapegoat for his murder. Should be easy to guess who created her right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:04:15 2010 No.5635356 >>5635325 pivix tag for him?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:04:15 2010 No.5635359 >>5635339 Well, she's a personification of the rules of the world, so 'the culprit' is also the part of Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:04:15 2010 No.5635360 >>5635325 He's her rival. Not boss.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:05:15 2010 No.5635363 >>5635352 >But then Ryukishi's last interview is annoying. Link?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:05:15 2010 No.5635371 >>5635325 Wait what? So this faggot is van dine?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:06:15 2010 No.5635379 File: 121 KB, 600x800, 6684168.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5635353

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:07:15 2010 No.5635384 >>5635356 Ep7 portrait usually works fine

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:07:15 2010 No.5635386 >>5635371 The propability is high at least.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:07:15 2010 No.5635389 File: 67 KB, 640x480, wright.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5635360

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:07:15 2010 No.5635390

>>5635307
>Shanon is happy for god's sake, what reason could she possibly have to make up an imaginary friend?
a theory is her brother Kanon actually existed, then died or left in dubious circumstances, and she created her imaginary Kanon side to cope with that. The foundation for that line of thought is Kanon is mentioned to have changed in the past few years, and a servant had an accident and supposedly quit one or two years ago.

But even discounting that we know Shannon hasn't been happy. She's not good at being a servant and so Natsuhi and the others belittle her, and the only good thing in her recent life is her relationship with George, which has led Eva to openly threaten her. She's stuck in her own personal hell, with few ways out (ie George or quit).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:08:15 2010 No.5635396 Remember the shitstorm about aliens in Higurashi? It's the same now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:08:15 2010 No.5635402 >>5635396 Ryukishi hates you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:09:15 2010 No.5635407 >>5635325 He looks like Yuri from SH2

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:09:15 2010 No.5635408 >>5635356 >>5635384 Also, イトミミズ.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:10:15 2010 No.5635412 File: 77 KB, 640x480, k1laughsttoyou.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5635396 Remember when you read the novel? I didn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:10:15 2010 No.5635415 >>5635390 Kanon is mentioned to have changed only in the ep6 because of LOL OLEV. Otherwise he's the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:11:15 2010 No.5635418 >>5635386 >>5635389 >20 wedges http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/vandine.htm Wouldnt this INVALIDATE Shkanon? Umineko2-6 confirmed for Featherinne fictions?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:11:15 2010 No.5635424 >>5635363 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=207253 I was wrong, it was in another interview, but ryukishi said that Battler is still "against Beato" (sure, it looks strange, given the end of ep6)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:12:15 2010 No.5635432 So I'm trying to think of all the major theories (joke or otherwise) we've had up until here. Shkanon(trice) Moon-chan B0MB Pony Teatrice Magical Chef Gohda ...What are some others?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:13:15 2010 No.5635437 >>5635389 + the tachi-e code + his eyes + his necklace

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:13:15 2010 No.5635443 >>5635418 It would invalidate Shkanontrice but it wouldn't invalidate Shkanon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:14:15 2010 No.5635444 >>5635432 I think you can throw " furniture are not people + 18th person X" inside, if you agree with joke theories

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:14:15 2010 No.5635449 >>5635432 >B0MB Bomb is can, bro. Read Erika tips

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:15:15 2010 No.5635452

>>5635424
–Do you plan on reviving her (Beatrice)?

Ryuukishi: In the plot for Episode 6, which we’re considering now, we’re thinking of a way that we can revive Beato. But if too many other things pop up that we want to write about, who knows?(laughs) However, it does seem that Battler doesn’t enjoy Beato being in low spirits all the time and wants the brighter Beato to come back. The thing I don’t want you to misunderstand is that Battler doesn’t want to return to a world where he and Beato are basically on the same side. He only wants to end this tale in a way that will make Beato satisfied. Shortly after Episode 5′s release, many people pointed to Battler’s acceptance into the ranks of witches and wondered “Hasn’t Battler lost sight of his goal?”, but that’s not the case. As Bern said in the beginning of Episode 5, Battler has no chance of being released unless he defeats Beato’s riddles. At the end of Episode 4, we learn that “Beatrice hopes Battler will win and end this game”, so Battler must win. Furthermore, at the end of Episode 5, Battler reaches the fundamental truth behind “who, for what purpose, and why”. If he can lay that bare, he will win. So, if we liken it to chess, Battler actually hasn’t yet made a move to achieve checkmate. The process that will lead to a checkmate has only been formulated in his mind. So, according to our plans at the present, Episode 6 will be a tale about proving whether Battler actually did reach all the way to the truth. He will actually make and carry out the moves he has thought of. In other words, Battler becoming the Game Master “proves that he has understood everything about the world of Umineko”.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:16:15 2010 No.5635462 Maybe the fact that this episode was shit will force the most obsessed Umineko faggots to start playing some other VNs. Yeah, probably too much to ask.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:16:15 2010 No.5635465 >>5635449 Yeah, but it was one of our theories for a while until confirmed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:17:15 2010 No.5635473 >>5635449 I don't see the word 'bomb', only 'explosion'.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:17:15 2010 No.5635476
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>>5635432
BOMB is confirmed.

>>5635452
R07 sure is contradicting himself. Battler/Beato look like they are on the same side in ep6. Also if Battler already know the truth why are they playing the game?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:18:15 2010 No.5635478 >>5635449 Explosion is canon. A bomb is implying that there is a killer. It could be, for exemple, the boiler room which exploded

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:18:15 2010 No.5635481 >>5635462 Surely you meant reading real mystery books, instead of playing shitty porn games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:18:15 2010 No.5635482 >>5635432 Out of curiousity, can somebody give short explanations of these theories? Or link to a place where I can read up on them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:19:15 2010 No.5635487 File: 48 KB, 642x482, umineko jam it in.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ero content in my Umineko?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:19:15 2010 No.5635493 >>5635487 More like Erika has big fat penis

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:20:15 2010 No.5635494

>>5635478
Read the latest interview.
The terrain changed, the mansion completely disappeared.
A boiler exploding can't do this, it must be an explosion strong enough to cause a landslide.
And who worked in mining business where such stuffs are normal? KINZO.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:20:15 2010 No.5635499 File: 445 KB, 640x1134, 68993462.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5635487

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:20:15 2010 No.5635503 Various lightnings hit the island, caused a massive fired and wiped out all. End of story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:21:15 2010 No.5635507 >>5635503 >fire My typing sucks today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:21:15 2010 No.5635510 File: 343 KB, 2143x1200, 1278277662372.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5635432 >Magical Chef Gohda THIS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:22:15 2010 No.5635516 >>5635499 shop the ring out and it will be perfect fap material.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:22:15 2010 No.5635518 >>5635494 Wait Maybe the reason Ookogi wanted to kill Ange is because if she discovered the truth about Rokkenjima (Weapons hidden there) it would be cause a scandal.. he said it was for the world peace.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:23:15 2010 No.5635527 >>5635503 And there was a lot of weed in Rokkenjima's forest. smoke => fantasy scenes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:23:15 2010 No.5635529 >>5635499 ...you know, Ryu might actually be able to write a half-decent sex scene. Romance, no, but sex, yes.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:23:15 2010 No.5635530

>>5635415
>Kanon is mentioned to have changed only in the ep6 because of LOL OLEV. Otherwise he's the same.
No. Most are *assuming* he's changed because of LOLOLEV. It's a bit different. When did this so-called love start? Isn't it mentioned Jessica started liking him one or two years ago? The timing roughly fits with when the accident is supposed to have occured, and thus the hypothetical switch to multiple personas, ie love machine Kanon is a result of Shannon taking up the mantle.

And while we're at it, unless I'm mistaken, it's shortly before that that George's attempts to woo Shannon started to get through to her, ie also fitting timing for when she got DID-happy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:23:15 2010 No.5635535 Is it possible for both Kanon and Shannon to exist, and one of them being dead before each game starts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:23:15 2010 No.5635540 >>5635518 Kinzo killing his children? World peace?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:24:15 2010 No.5635541 You guys wouldn't happen to know a seeded torrent for ep6, would you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:24:15 2010 No.5635544 Umineko is starting to feel like it's not going to get a resolution. Answers, maybe, but it looks like the whole subplot with the gold and Battler taking over the family is just going to be left hanging.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:24:15 2010 No.5635548 >>5635518 This better not lead to "TOKYO DID IT!".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:24:15 2010 No.5635551 >>5635535 No, Knox.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:25:15 2010 No.5635555 >>5635551 which one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:25:15 2010 No.5635556 >>5635535 It was also a theory. >>5635432 can throw it in his list. However IIRC it only "work" with Kanon pretending to be Shannon. "nobody can claim his name", all of this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:25:15 2010 No.5635560 >>5635541 Typical retarded seacat reader spotted. http://www.paletweb.com/selectpage.asp?code=80001746 Nowonder R07 is insulting his readers.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:25:15 2010 No.5635563
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>>5635482
Shkanon(trice) - you're aware
Moon-chan - lol bitch be crazy, dating girl and killing others
B0MB - the people tried to solve epitaph, and one of the answers they got was b0mb
Pony - Beatrice exists as a separate human (shkannon provides the room for red), she dressed as Shannon 6 years ago, and Battler promised to her to return on the white horse
Teatrice - b0mb was in a tea pot, filled with lsd
Magical Chef Gohda - pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:25:15 2010 No.5635566 >>5635551 Knox 10, no?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:26:15 2010 No.5635568 >>5635540 Ookogi mentioned Ange needed to die for the world peace If Weapons were stored in Rokkenjima (remember Kinzo take part of a war) it would make sense.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:26:15 2010 No.5635577

>>5635390
>a theory is her brother Kanon actually existed, then died or left in dubious circumstances, and she created her imaginary Kanon side to cope with that. The foundation for that line of thought is Kanon is mentioned to have changed in the past few years, and a servant had an accident and supposedly quit one or two years ago.

How about the servant was pushed down the stairs by Shannontrice, who then created Kanon as a foil for Beatrice? Nobody was hurt again until Battler came back and it'd explain Kanon and Beatrice's pre-Ep6 antagonism. The dates do not quite match as Kanon started 3 years ago but human memory isn't guaranteed, but Shannon says in Ep1 the accident happened before she started working, so the dates are already messed up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:27:15 2010 No.5635582 >bawwwww ryu-chan insulted me, i'm going to rage on /jp/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:27:15 2010 No.5635584 >>5635548 I doubt that, i think it had more to do with the fact that Japan having secret, maybe even nuclear, weapons would create an huge shitstorm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:27:15 2010 No.5635586 >>5635503 end of ep4 specifies the eventual mass death that occurs after midnight the second day happens because of "beatrice", ie it's not a random occurence but linked to the same process as the killings

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:28:15 2010 No.5635602 >>5635586 Golden butterflies at the end of EP1 symbolizes the exploding bomb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:29:15 2010 No.5635612 >>5635577 >Shannon says in Ep1 the accident happened before she started working That's odd, since in ep 6 it's "one or two years ago". Does that mean there were two accidents?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:29:15 2010 No.5635613 >>5635478 Volcano, comet, UFO, lightning. >>5635530 No clues for a change in the main arcs => that didn't happen. He was shown to be changing in ep6, because GM wanted so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:29:15 2010 No.5635616 >>5635510 That was a reference to EP2's fight right? If it isn't, then I really don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:31:15 2010 No.5635634 >>5635503 Bullshit, it's obvious a bomb. "Random X" would violate many mystery law and would be very, very stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:32:15 2010 No.5635638 Wait. Which accident?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:33:15 2010 No.5635649 >>5635638 Accident caused by the imaginary Beatrice that made some of the servants to quit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:33:15 2010 No.5635653 >>5635638 Read Erika tip in ep VI. A bomb exploded, that's why they managed to find only piece of body in ep VI, and Ange didn't find anything in ep IV.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:34:15 2010 No.5635657 >>5635649 Ah, now I remember.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:34:15 2010 No.5635661 >>5635586 The volcano eruption/lightnings happened to occur on the same day as the family conference, just like the typhoon. It's one of the rules of the world, and Beatrice just a personification of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:35:15 2010 No.5635672 >>5635661 A volcano wouldn't left anything, the police manged to go ther and so did Ange.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:37:15 2010 No.5635681 The bomb have to be quite huge if it was in the mansion by the way. IIRC, the mansion is far from the harbor, at least there is a "long" way between them in ep1, but according to Ryukishi the boat was unable to dock in the mansion's harbor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:38:15 2010 No.5635685 >>5635681 Maybe several bombs

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:41:15 2010 No.5635703 >>5635672 Not really necessary. Ange hadn't been able to walk very close, because of terrain change.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:43:15 2010 No.5635712

>>5635685
Well, it would mean that Kinzo wanted them to be unable to go away (It is still possible to go on the island after that, it is only more annoying, => Ange)
But then, why would the bomb explode really, really late?
How many days is the family conference supposed to last, without the typhoon, by the way?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:48:15 2010 No.5635749 >>5635712 Kinzo has been dead for years, i doubt that. Maybe the culprit discovered all the shit Kinzo hide in there and managed to use it.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:51:15 2010 No.5635777

>>5635563

sad thing is that goofy Gohda theory is nearly more plausible than all the other stuff, even Shkanontrice

Also, meta-world and magical characters are a fucking mess and confusing.

ryu07 should've sticked to a more canonical story, (like ep.1) with no meta world shit, focusing more on the past , and Kuwadorian,young Rosa etc.
that shit was REALLY interesting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:51:15 2010 No.5635785 >>5635749 Wel, Kinzo in his last will or the culprit, yes. Making the bomb explode so late is strange to me, I mean, if there wasn't this typhoon, everyone would have been able to run away after the first twilight

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:54:15 2010 No.5635811 >>5635777 >ryu07 should've sticked to a more canonical story, (like ep.1) with no meta world shit, focusing more on the past , and Kuwadorian,young Rosa etc. It would be boring after 6 episodes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:55:15 2010 No.5635827 >>5635777 I remember people treating Shkannon on the same level as Teatrice or MGC. Good times. Who would have thought the things would turn out like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:56:15 2010 No.5635833 >>5635811 and the most important part of umineko is the link between reality and fiction.Removing it would mean changing absolutely everything.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:57:15 2010 No.5635838

>>5635785

If a bomb is set to go off the day after the family conference then perhaps the person that set it expected everyone to be gone. The family is trapped there an extra day because of the typhoon and get caught in the resulting explosion that was meant only for the people living on the island.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:58:15 2010 No.5635849 >>5635785 They arrive on 4th and supposed to leave on the morning of 6th. The 'accident' occurs at the end of 5th.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:59:15 2010 No.5635859

>>5635811

well... i've started to get bored of all that meta world shit since ep. 4 ,cant really understand it.

Developing the '60 '70 Ushiromiya family and servants would've been more intriguing. Rokkenjima is fucking huge and full of secrets.. no need of metashit.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:02:15 2010 No.5635890

>>5635838
Apparently it is supposed to explode during the family conference.
But if the bomb is linked is ANY way to the murders, exploding the night of the 4 would have been better.
After all, without a random typhoon, anyone would have be able to leave the 5. Even more if murders occurs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:04:15 2010 No.5635898 >>5635890 maybe the murderer wants to give the family the chance of finding the gold? to claim it for themselves maybe?

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:07:15 2010 No.5635927

>>5635898
If this person is Beatrice in any way (Beatrice being the rule),

This child has nothing to gain from having someone solve the epitaph.
the gold of the Golden Land belongs to this child. She had absolutely no need to make you find it for her or to snatch it away herself.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:12:15 2010 No.5635973

>>5635890
>But if the bomb is linked is ANY way to the murders, exploding the night of the 4 would have been better.

If the culprit wanted just to kill everyone he would have done that night.

The bomb only sealed all that shit so one would even find the truth.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:15:15 2010 No.5635988
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>>5635777
Not R07 style

Higurashi also shown part fantasy (L5) and mistery.With Umineko went overboard with the witches and magical truth fights.

Reading 7 Episodes of 8-10 hours without witches will be Episode 1 the entire time, without nothing truly new to show and the pace will be really slow.Just imagine EP4 without Goldsmith, Goat-kun and the Tea Party.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:17:15 2010 No.5636000 >>5635988 Higurashi isn't a mystery, it's a fantasy. It piratically rapes Knox. Umineko started as a fantasy, but it's now a mystery.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:17:15 2010 No.5636006

>>5635749

Servants loved Kinzo so much they decided to do a ceremony to ressurect him. They sacrifice Shanon in the altar Kinzo had in the chapel .Kinzo is ressurected but in a zombie like state so they hide him.
To cover the killing of Shannon Genji tells Kanon to imitate her. And so ShKanon is born.
Kinzo is a living dead now and the conference is about to start.Kinzo escapes, and the massacre is starting and because he needs food he killst he six first and eats a part of thier body. The servants now must undo the ceremony to send Kinzo back to hell, so the took out the 4 Stakes and they start to gough their victims.
The remaining family members learn about the ceremony too and they had in possesion the other 3 stakes. So family vs servants battle is starting. Eventually 7 people die and the spell is completed or so they thought...
They didn't know that the spell was incompleted, they didnt used the most important element to perform the ceremony,
love...
So the spell goes terribly wrong and causes a huge explosion that kills everyone

When the seagulls cry, there are no survivors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:20:15 2010 No.5636031 >>5636006 >Magic

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:23:15 2010 No.5636066 >>5636031 Magic yes. Golden witch no

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:30:15 2010 No.5636113

Ep6 was a bit of a disappointment, but it can't be helped. After all, everyone was expecting Battler to kick ass big time and show that he's really mastered the game and understood the final truth.
Instead, he spent a big part of the episode being a zombie inside a closed room caused by his own logic error and didn't really do anything worthwhile.

I still liked the episode just because of Beato. In witch-mode, she really is the best character ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:34:15 2010 No.5636144 >>5636113 Awesome weeding. That's all. Never thought Beato would looks cool with a gun.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:37:15 2010 No.5636158

>>5635389

Context, you ding dong. That sentence directly follows a sentence mentioning other agencies, specifically naming the SSVD as a different agency from the Iron Maiden.

SSVD = S. S. Van Dine
Wizard-Hunting Wright = Willard Hunting Wright

This is why R07 insults his readers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:52:15 2010 No.5636313 >>5636158 Also: S.S. -> Anchor

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:53:15 2010 No.5636323 >>5636144 >Never thought Beato would looks cool with a gun. Beato would look godly even with a Banana.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 16:19:15 2010 No.5636550 >>5635661 Beatrice is specifically the personification of a process which started 6 years ago because of Battler. I'd like Battler to be awesome enough to light up volcanos but come on

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 16:31:15 2010 No.5636692

>>5636550

From Ep4:
By itself, the Rokkenjima accident gave rise to nothing but suspicion of a conspiracy regarding Eva oba-san and the Ushiromiya family. ......But later on... It was dramatized and linked to the occult, and the conspiracy was painted over by the legend of the witch."

Beatrice is both a person and a rule. The explosion, whatever causes it, is the final element that gives rise to the legend of the witch and the Witch Hunt.

That's the difference between the two Beatrices that appear in Ep6, the one who was born because of Battler and the elder. It's probably also why the Beatrice who says she'll kill Battler in Ep4 (which is also the only time Beatrice has stated she's killed anyone in red) isn't the Beatrice that had been impaled by Battler.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 16:45:15 2010 No.5636820

>shkanon is the murderer!

Nope. Ep06 clearly shows Erika was the murderer.

>But what about the other times?

None of it matters, This was ep06's true purpose. The murderers are a tool for one thing: Finding out Battler's sin. Ep06 proves that all the games are just glimpses to figure out this truth. This is why R07 stresses the white text is the important part.

>So what's the truth?

Well there are several things, important things, that need to be recalled and thought about: Kyrie's relation to Battler, the murdered child, the hidden mansion, and who Beatrice is, and the riddle I would say are the most important parts. That isn't all though, the meta world is also there for more than just entertainment.

The mysteries, the red text, the flashy battles, they're all just trying to get you to figure out the characters. That's their only purpose. You guys are working to solve the wrong thing. Shkanon might solve a murder or two, but that's all. Shkanon doesn't solve Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 16:58:15 2010 No.5636951 >>5636820 Everything has been said.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 17:47:15 2010 No.5637472 >>5635148 Its gonna be awesome when r07 pulls out something not even close to what you guys are talking about. Shits gonna be awesome.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 20:43:15 2010 No.5639043

Well, I'm dissapointed. Guy who asked you to explain the WHY portion of ShKanon here. Your reasons are entirely based upon very vague statements and events which don't even match up in time. No one even explained why DID is making her kill everyone. I must again reiterate that if you can not explain the WHY it is not an answer.

Also, I kinda feel like you're trying to cheat. You should start at the motive and then move to how it was committed. The way you're doing it is jumping to any possibility which seems to fit the red. It's funny because pretty much every character beside Shanon and Kanon has some very apparent motivation. Only these two don't. Being picked on a bit by Natsuhi is not motivation for murder, by the way. That's just pathetic reasoning.

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