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[Anonymous No.]

Episode 7 spoilers.

-Bern is the game master.
-Lambda is her opponent
-B and B try to stop the game, hanyuu bitch stops them
- Phyllo Vance (Blonde Jessica/krauss/natsuhi/kanon hybrid guy) is the detective and Lambda's piece.
- Wright (is his furniture)
- Shkanon is sadly proven true...
- young ange is on the gameboard, she's sick
- The game is seriously degraded with magic scenes
- First Twilight Victims: "Kanon", Eva, Krauss, Hideyoshi, Rosa and Natsuhi
- kanon kills natsuhi and rosa
- Shannon kills Kanon
- George kills his parents
- kyrie/asumu backstory
- second twilight
- Rudolf and Battler
- third twilight envelope "praise my name"
- Don't fuck with kyrie when ange is in danger
- fourth twilight, kinzo
- B and B has the skittles twins try to disrupt the game, it fails horribly
-fifth twilight - Ninth twilight
- Gohda, Genji, Nanjo, Kumasawa
- Battler and rudolf faked their deaths
- B and R solved the epitaph
- Culprit is revealed, Phyllo is apparently not on the gameboard, battler was really the detective for this game
- Bern vs B and B + Dlanor
- Bern actually dies
- Lambda is set up for big bad of episode 8
-AuAu is still a bitch

[Anonymous No.]

False until proven otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

Episode 7 spoiler:

It's shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>5606644
Blew my mind.

[Anonymous No.]

All wrong except for:
>-Bern is the game master.
>- Shkanon is sadly proven true...
>- Bern actually dies

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>>5606644
It's not a spoiler if we already knew about it

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>>5606663
Bern really dies?

ALL MY FAVOURITE CHARACTERS DIE.

Except for Kaguya, she's immortal...

[Anonymous No.]

Pulled out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

SO IT IS A TRAP AFTER ALL

[Anonymous No.]

It's impossible that "it" is a man, it has to be a women. There is just no possible way.

[Anonymous No.]

oh anon you're so silly.

the culprit is obviously kyrie.

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>>5606728
Op here
- exactly

[Anonymous No.]

>- kyrie/asumu backstory
ryukishi hates kyrie he will never do a backstory on her.

seriously ever milf but her gets a personal arc.

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>>5606722
It has to be many of them?

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>>5606744
I don't think it's a hate thing, it's that there's still a lot of reasons to suspect her as the culprit (because she seems the one to have two braincells to rub together).

Let's just say, her lack of backstory is conspicuous by its absence.

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>>5606834

Red herring.

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>>5606836
Really? She's one of the few people who connect Battler and Ange together, so it's not impossible that Battler's sin and whatever revelations that Ange comes across will include her too.

Considering that she was the one who taught Battler the 'turn the chessboard over' tactic, that puts her as a mentor figure, and a likely person to be a future antagonist.

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I'd be so glad if Kyrie was confirmed to be innocent

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>>5606855

Who the fuck do you think we're talking about here? It's motherfucking Ryukishi07 here, the guy who wrote Higurashi, the guy who invented brain aids. The culprit is not going to be Kyrie.

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>>5606855
Battler's sin is regards to something that happened on rokkenjima, it's not shit about his family and birth etc

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>- Lambda is set up for big bad of episode 8

Someone didn't read EP6. Nice try, though.

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>>5606871
yeah kyrie would be a good culprit.

instead we're going to get a DID meido, who cheaply bypasses red text because of her different names.

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>>5606905
I'd like to see Kyrie bypass her guts being ripped out.

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>implying Kyrie/Genji wouldn't be a first twilight victim.

Stopped reading right there.

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>>5606910
Death was faked.

[Anonymous No.]

The Vance thing is horseshit, whatever gender Blondie may be, the one winged eagle proves that she is either Ushiromiya or Beatrice.

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>>5606971
blonde washes up on beach?
gets krauss old clothes?

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>>5606954
Sure it was.
>The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered! All were killed by other people! All six were genuine victims, and did not take part in a mutual murder! There was no simultaneous murder!!

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Episode 7 might be a bit harsh on Jessica. The whole "Everyone's been lying to you about your grandfather for the past year and your best friend is your boyfriend and she really wants to kill you" might wear her down a tad.

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>>5606983
Except that wouldn't happen. Remember, Erika got a plain old dress, the Ushiromiya crest is serious fucking buisness. Note well that Kyrie, Hideyoshi, and Natsuhi, spouses of Winged members cant even wear it, so why would Charlie Brown from outta town be given the honor?

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>>5606871
The more he relies on Knox's Ten Rules, the more he limits himself on who the culprit can be.

For it to be a worthy adversary to Battler, or to have a worthy reason to kill, they'd need to either be a close family member or have some amazing reason to hate the entire clan.(not ruling out Shkanon, he has played the orphanage card before) A crime over money isn't enough, it has to be something more emotional for the main culprit.

tl;dr. By comparing Umineko to regular detective novels, R07 limits himself by having to have a rational culprit.

Besides, if Battler is the detective, then who has shown the most aptitude to be the Moriarty to his Holmes?

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>>5606983
No.
Hell, did you even read ep5?
Erika had Jessica's clothes. And she didn't had the OWE.
Moreover, the two of them doesn't have the same stature at all.

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>>- Lambda is set up for big bad of episode 8


Possible.

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>>5606910
Even the best culprit can't always plan everything perfectly.

Your shkannon is proclaimed dead too, but you bend the red, so let's bend it too:
>>The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered! All were killed by other people! All six were genuine victims, and did not take part in a mutual murder! There was no simultaneous murder!!
It was not the corpse of Kyrie but a body double. It was not proclaimed in red that doubles don't exist in that game. It wasn't proclaimed in red in this game that no one would mistake the corpses, so there's a possibility of that.

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Everyone knows that Lambda is going to pull some shit in episode 8, it'll be the least shocking twist ever.

Seriously she just screams "Final Boss."

Now, I'll give her props if she had a piece or a trump card this entire time.

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>>5606983
And the ring of the family head.

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>>5607106
Well, she is only manipulating EVERYONE here, and mainly Beato. Maybe even Bernkastel.
But yes, there is absolutely no reason for her to be the big bad in ep8 only because she retired in ep6.

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>>5607112
Found it in the sand. Kinzo lost it when he was going to swim. What a lucky man.

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>>5607114
She'll be back. AuAu just screams IM A CUNT WHO THINKS SHE'S HOT SHIT, you know, that villain who ends up being stabbed in the bacck by a more competent counterpart?

Lambda has TOLD US, QUITE EXPLICITLY, that she wants to keep the game going, forever.

Her retirement means about as much as Beatrice's death.

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something interesting:
Erika's dress, which was Jessica's HAS NOT ONE WINGED EAGLE ON.
if it's Jessica's, it supposed to be with the symbol, especially because it's a classy dress
I wonder why.

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>>5607143
Yes bro, I was being ironical here, to me it's pretty clear that she is preparing something, I mean, she's suspicious from the beginning. And even more since EP5.

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>>5607147
I don't think as kids they had to have it on their clothing. Or something to that effect. I don't know, Natsuhi isn't exactly the best mother out there. Jessica was lucky to survive being her daughter, lol.

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>>5607147
Hmm..not every piece of clothing Jessica owns has to have the one-winged eagle on it. It probably wouldn't look good if a (surprise) guest like Erika was allowed to wear it. I think they said that she could have kept it as a gift of their hospitality or something.

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>>5607143
Things that have me worried at the moment:

Lambdadelta
Anomaly-chan
Kanon getting a good end
Juuza

All four may or may not be linked.

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>>5607183
Maria has, and she's only 9

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>>5607183
Well, Maria have it. But maybe they have some clothes without it, just in case.
For exemple, it is a rich and well-knowed family. Knowing this, sometimes it may be dangerous to have the one-winged eagle on their clothes.

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>>5607199
>Anomaly-chan
I miss when we called her Moon-Chan.....
But I wouldn't be worried about her so much as worried for her. If things go a certain way in episode 7, shit could get REALLY depressing.

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>>5607199
Out of curiosity, having not played EP6, what constitutes a GOOD END for Kanon? He's never expressed a particular interest in anything, let alone Jessica's affections.

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>>5607215
In this case, Ryukishi will really gain an award in "break the cutie".

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>>5607218
Maybe Kanonzo. Without this, I don't really know.

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>>5606971
Or both. She's Ushiromiya Beatrice.

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>>5607235
So Battler is actually an incestuous man?

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>>5607218
In EP 6 he mans up and confesses to her.

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>>5607193
but it's a really classy dress.
looks weird for me

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People who think Lambdadelta is going to be a final boss are either idiots or just haven't played EP6.

She doesn't give much of a fuck about the game anymore and she spent most of the time being helpful to Beatrice and Battler, although denying that she was doing it out of good will. She's not out to do terrible things, she just loves Bernkastel and is okay with doing terrible things if that means they can be together.

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One question for those who think that the red one is a girl. Wasn't it mentionned that a girl can not be the head of the family? And his husband become it instead? (and if she have no husband, the son of the next child)
(Of course if she is Beatrice it's another story. But I am talking about him/her being only a member of the family here)

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>>5607078
Only the corpses had their guts ripped out but their faces remained intact. It was an attempt at making it clear who they are, and clear that they are dead. But nothing seems to satisfy the Umineko fanbase when it comes to corpses. Not ripped out guts, not half-exploded heads, not red text about them being dead.

Since Kyrie's face was clearly visible, how could she be mistaken for someone else? How could a body double corpse work?

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>>5607222
>My face when Jessica slowly bleeds out after being stabbed by Sayo, and then Sayo trolls her by telling her that she is adopted, and that her parents don't love her, and that Kanon was all just a lie.

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>>5607240
Battler already hits on Jessica and Maria and Rosa made his heart skip a beat. So, yeah.

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>>5607262
chapel was dark and the detective can be tricked. Battler never did get a chance to check out the bodies up close, because he was stopped by Rosa and the servants.

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>>5607261
Ange and Eva would disagree with the whole female head thing.

There's a chance this lad(?) could be the hypothetical Other Battler, but speculation is pointless at this point in time.

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>>5607261
Yes, but then in episode 2 someone is staying in the guestroom who is supposed to be a woman and is supposed to have a rank equal to the head. Maybe only one woman can be family head, Beatrice.

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>>5607259
pretty much this. Final boss will either be a meta-version of the culprit or Bern/AuAu

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>>5607259
You are the idiot one here, if you are not noticing that EVERYTHING in Umineko consists of "the man behind the man". So it would not be surprising for Lambda to do a comeback. Not surprising at all.

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>When the six were killed in the chapel, the culprit was inside the chapel!
How could it be a body double if they were killed in the chapel?

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>>5607261
In EP 1 Battler said that when Jessica married her husband would become the head, rather than her. But with Kinzo being dead and all that could easily change.

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>>5607292
Yeah, if we ignore all the characterization given to her in EP6.

You are only thinking in terms of WHAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST TWEEST, which is not how things actually work in Umineko, contrary to popular belief.

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So, if I have episode 5, am I good to go with episode 6?

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>>5607282
I would say that it is the man from x years ago.
Everything about him say "related to natsuhi and Krauss".

By the way Eva and Ange where pretty much the only one alive at this moment, so... I don't know if we can say that it is the same thing. But yes, I didn't thought about it.

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>>5607298
Ah ha! No wonder she's a lesbian. Come to think about it, her life sucks regardless of how things work out.

Seriously, either Battler or George is gonna get the girl, Jessica is fucked. But then again, at least she won't be dead.

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>>5607316
If it is "The man from X years ago" we can safely assume that he doesn't exist.

New characters are nice, but at this point they are symbols, more or less. And bargain bag Touhous, I suppose.

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>>5607305
There is a difference between being the big bad who kill everyone and manipulating everyone so this game will not end.
In ep6, the only one who was able to resurrect Beato was Battler. It's only natural for 34 to give up during this time.

And no, Lambda manipulating everyone would not be a twist at all. She is doing this since the beginning of the story.
So I'm not saying that it will be the case but this is a possibility.

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>>5607324
Ha! Just you watch, Kanon's going to be the last persona standing, Battler's going to be NTR'd, and George is going to be dead.

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>>5607344
Well, he would exist, but in the way Shkannon or other things can exist.

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>>5607312
If you mean a copy of the game, get Episode 6 as it has Episode 5 included and a patch should be out soon.

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>>5607345
>In ep6, the only one who was able to resurrect Beato was Battler. It's only natural for 34 to give up during this time.

What the hell... That's not even what I was talking about. She was clearly portrayed as a sympathetic character throughout the whole episode. You clearly haven't read EP6, so I should probably just give up.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of episode 2 in the chapel
>Which was far more grotesque than the shocking meal Rosa had seen in her youth

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>>5607365
You clearly haven't read EP6

You are wrong here, my friend. But think about it this way if you want.
Yeah, she is doing the white knight for her and Bernkastel, they have suffered, and all of this. But I don't even see the link with what you are saying, here.
If we are talking about manipulation, like she is doing since the beginning, her behaviour should be the LAST thing you can take as a proof.

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>>5607365
Not that dude here, but she's shown to be a chill enough person, true, but she is also in love with Bern.

In Umineko, love is as destructive a force as it is a healing one. If things go south for Bern, Lambda will be there for her. But soon enough episode 6 will be out, and we will FINALLY be able to not use that as an excuse anymore.

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>>5607316
The problem is that the only people who'd really know about 'the man from x years ago' wouldn't be family members, but servants. since they'd be on the island at the time.

Well, with the exception of Kinzo and Krauss, but would Krauss really be desperate enough to implement Natsuhi?

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>>5607397
I meant 'implicate', though I wouldn't object to Natsuhi being used as an implement. :3

[Anonymous No.]

Also . . . . . . . . text is better than gold text.

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>>5607382
>rudolftrice.jpg
wat

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>>5607428
I just want to see people react to my filenames

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>>5607434
>>Shkarikatrice

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Hey guys, I have a two theories that may or may not have gotten tossed around, but I'll throw them at you anyways.

I think there's a decent chance that this other Battler could be Jessica, and Beato 2.0, even though it said she died... I do wonder if she was Rosa. After all, Rosa's story conflicts with Natsuhi's story, and allegedly Rosa was sent away to a boarding school

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Wall of . . . . . . . text

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>>5607420
that's just a way of stressing sentences in japanese writing, it just means it's said with particular emphasis.

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>>5607448
Just a way of emphasizing it so the reader knows it's the truth.

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>>5607446
Jessica as the second battler is not so bad, and if I remember correctly, sometimes discussed here. But the problem for the second one is the red text saying that Beato is dead.

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>>5607446
Rosa was sent away to boarding school?

I was under the impression that the events in Natsuhi's story took place sometime after that Beatrice died.

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>>5607473
Doubt it

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>>5607446
First theory is valid, and may be rather fitting theme-wise for episode 7, but I think it was said that Beato 2.0 definitely died.

Course Kanon died too, though, so I can't quite shoot down your theory. I can tell you it most likely didn't happen.

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>>5607479
Rosa haet Beato.

Rosa is Beato?

Wouldn't that be something.

[Anonymous No.]

By the way Rosa didn't shoo Battler and the others out of the chapel. They hung around there for quite a while. In fact when Jessica ran off Rosa told Gohda and Kanon to go after her and bring her back.

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>>5607529
Rosa: Yeah, Kanon, go take care of Jessica, capiche?

Kanon: Yes Don, whatever you say Don...

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>>5607494
Rosa hate pretty much everything related to witches.

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I think there is Meta meta world, where people such as "Meta Rosa" goes.
I think there is Rosa's witch version, Maria talks about her all the time, and we know Maria's world are very powerful when it comes to the meta world.
also I can't ignore AUAU and Rosa's similar hairstyle

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>>5607479
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the screenshot, but Rosa's story supposedly took place about 19-20 years ago. So in most of the games when Beatrice is mentioned, the memory resurfaces in her mind and she tries to forget it hadn't occurred. Like when Maria receives a letter from "Beatrice", Rosa kept incessantly asking her siblings who gave her the letter, because she thinks that the Beatrice Maria met is the same as the one in 1967 or so.

Then Natsuhi's story took place to the possibly the same year, she makes a note that Rosa was off the island on a trip with some friends.

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>>5607571
>was off the island on a trip with some friends.
This always reminds me of a bad excuse to give birth/abort

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>>5607494
If it leads to a canon Rosa x Battler end, I'm all for it.

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>>5607571
I'm telling yah, that Rosa is a spah.

Beatrice's death could have simply been Rosa killing off the Beato persona for good.

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>>5607571
The thing is, two people falling of a cliff in the same year, one named Beatrice and another a maid holding a baby, is very suspicious. In And Then There Were None, a pregnant maid named Beatrice kills herself by throwing herself off a cliff. Natsuhi may say Rosa was off the island now, but we don't know whether that's the truth of not. Natsuhi isn't exactly the most objective observer. Also, look at Kinzo's reaction when Natsuhi's maid with child dies.

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>>5607582
I would laugh hysterically if we got that.

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>>5607624
Here's my theory. Rosa was -allegedly- off the island.

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>>5607624
Here's my theory. Rosa was -allegedly- off the island...

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>>5607632
but what would be the reason for that?

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>>5607654
100 pounds of rape.

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>>5607624
That's the same scene I was looking at too. The reason I thought that Rosa and Natsuhi's stories are chronological is because Kinzo. His exclamations there seemed like he already had seen this occur or had a feeling that handing the baby off to Natsuhi would end in total failure. That's why I can't see the connection between Battler/Jessica and the baby of 19 years ago.

I know Natsuhi isn't a reliable source, but that's all we have to work with at the moment..

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>>5607684
The "empty cage" however really seems to remind me of what Beatrice calls her body once she is "freed" from it by Rosa.

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>>5607697
That too. There was also that theory floating around where Kinzo used the Fukuin House to find orphans similar to his Beatrice, and raise them to be like her.

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>>5607684
Well, people don't quite realize that while Battler and Jessica may be closer then we thought, they aren't 19. Both of them are 18. The 19 year old, if anyone, I think is Sayo.

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>>5607768
Shannon and Kanon both are 16, or at least everyone says they are.

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>>5607807
Well, Shannon and Kanon are apparently the same person. And the murderer, it seems.

And there was something about the ruler of Rokkenjima being 19...

Bah, regardless, the child from 19 years ago shouldn't be too big a concern, Knox rules and all.

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>>5607807
Shannon's been working on the island a lot longer than Kanon has. Considering that the sole purpose of the orphanage was to train servants for the island, it doesn't make sense that Shannon and Kanon wouldn't have started at the same time if they were the same age.

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>>5607807
no, Shanon is older than Kanon

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>>5607851
She is older, but they're both 16.

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>>5607850
...why are you arguing with me? It was stated straight up that they are both 16. I realize that they could've been lying, but regardless it's what they're saying and what everyone else on Rokkenjima believes.

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>>5607841
Something like, "The true master of this world is 19." And that it was a number that has appeared many times in this tale.

Forgot about the Knox rules, the only possible foreshadowing that I can recall was Kyrie's unreliable confrontation with Beatrice, who was described to be in her early 20's.

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I find it funny how some of you guys attempt to use Jessica as a culprit just to try to deny Shkanon.

Moon-chan? Anomally-chan? Haha... Some of you are seriously ridiculous, to the point of being pathetic.

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>>5607841

"A fateful number? What is it?"
"The number that we know very well ... And, from the beginning of this game, it has been repeated over and over again ..."
"That is ... 19"
"... An interesting number ..."

19.
This is, the number indicating the witch, when the illusion of the 19th person can be seen in an island that has no more than 18 people.
This is, the number indicating the time from when this story was born.
This is, the number indicating the time that has passed until this unavoidable today.
And this is, ... the age of the true master of this world.

[Anonymous No.]

>B and R solved the epitaph
...Battler and Rosa?

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>>5608076
I would have say Rudolf but yes, Rosa seems better

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>>5608087
I dunno, a father + son teamup would be kinda cool, and would be a good opportunity to finally settle Battler's birth circumstances.

On the other hand more Rosa+Battler wincest innuendo would be awesome too.

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>>5608076
I thought it meant Blue and Red, the guys in the portrait.

[Anonymous No.]

Huh? Do you actually believe that so called spoiler?

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>>5608162
No, but it is funny to see what the OP was thinking about
>>5608109
Same here, and Rosa was pretty good with the epitaph in ep5

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>>5608329
And in EP3. She solved it, remember?

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>>5608354
Yes, I still don't understand how it is possible that Kyrie haven't solved it yet. Sure, she don't know the family as well as the other, but Rudolf is here for that.

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>>5608385
It could have been the problem with Kinzo's beloved hometown. But you're right, Rudolf could have suggested that if she touched on the same idea.

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>>5608385
Kyrie probably solves it almost every episode. Its one of the internal strifes thats going around in that island.

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>>5608442
If she does, then the pattern doesn't go off with her. Like when someone solves the epitaph, a poster pointed out that Maria and Rosa die in episode 3 and 5. (Not too sure about 6)

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>>5608385
Maybe she's not good at riddles, or she's pretending she isn't.

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>>5608518
My guess is she usually keeps quiet about it for some reason. If someone else finds it then shit eventually goes down. This is just a baseless speculation though, I only think like this because I can NOT see Kyrie failing where Eva and especially Rosa suceeded.

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>>5608518
Maria and Rosa are killed by Erika in 6. No indication that the epitaph was solved though.

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>>5606632
nice spoiler, fag.Bern is the GM.She won't allow any magic scenes.

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>>5608593
But-but the detective can't be the culprit.

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>>5607952
Hey, asshole, it's not to deny Shkanon, and it's not to call Jessica the culprit.

It's just to point out the fact that Jessica not knowing about the two being one and the same doesn't quite make a whole lotta sense.

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>>5608814
Relax, wait for episode 7. We'll either get Woobie material from her or Dark Knight stuff, depending.

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>>5608850
>tvtropes references

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>>5608794
It seems you don't know a lot about episode 6. Erika doesn't declare herself the detective for the very purpose of being able to kill people to make sure they're dead. She becomes the detective only after killing them