/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

>become the bone of my sword
>unappreciated by humanity

[Anonymous No.]

>greentext

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>everybody walks the dinasaur

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>>5601519
>bone of my sword
Didn't we discuss this yesterday?
Why can't you people make sense out of it?

Well troll on as you wish.

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I am come of the seed of the people, the people that sorrow,
That have no treasure but hope,
No riches laid up but a memory
Of an Ancient glory.
My mother bore me in bondage, in bondage my mother was born,
I am of the blood of serfs;
The children with whom I have played, the men and women with whom I have eaten,
Have had masters over them, have been under the lash of masters,
And, though gentle, have served churls;
The hands that have touched mine, the dear hands whose touch is familiar to me,
Have worn shameful manacles, have been bitten at the wrist by manacles,
Have grown hard with the manacles and the task-work of strangers,
I am flesh of the flesh of these lowly, I am bone of their bone,
I that have never submitted;
I that have a soul greater than the souls of my people's masters,
I that have vision and prophecy and the gift of fiery speech,
I that have spoken with God on the top of His holy hill.
And because I am of the people, I understand the people,
I am sorrowful with their sorrow, I am hungry with their desire:
My heart has been heavy with the grief of mothers,
My eyes have been wet with the tears of children,
I have yearned with old wistful men,
And laughed or cursed with young men;
Their shame is my shame, and I have reddened for it,
Reddened for that they have served, they who should be free,
Reddened for that they have gone in want, while others have been full,
Reddened for that they have walked in fear of lawyers and of their jailors
With their writs of summons and their handcuffs,
Men mean and cruel!
I could have borne stripes on my body rather than this shame of my people.
And now I speak, being full of vision;
I speak to my people, and I speak in my people's name to the masters of my people.
I say to my people that they are holy, that they are august, despite their chains,
That they are greater than those that hold them, and stronger and purer,

[Anonymous No.]

FUCKING GAMESTOP

[&ponpo& No.]

>post a figure

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I am come of the seed of the people, the people that sorrow,
That have no treasure but hope,
No riches laid up but a memory
Of an Ancient glory.
My mother bore me in bondage, in bondage my mother was born,
I am of the blood of serfs;
The children with whom I have played, the men and women with whom I have eaten,
Have had masters over them, have been under the lash of masters,
And, though gentle, have served churls;
The hands that have touched mine, the dear hands whose touch is familiar to me,
Have worn shameful manacles, have been bitten at the wrist by manacles,
Have grown hard with the manacles and the task-work of strangers,
I am flesh of the flesh of these lowly, I am bone of their bone,
I that have never submitted;
I that have a soul greater than the souls of my people's masters,
I that have vision and prophecy and the gift of fiery speech,
I that have spoken with God on the top of His holy hill.
And because I am of the people, I understand the people,
I am sorrowful with their sorrow, I am hungry with their desire:
My heart has been heavy with the grief of mothers,
My eyes have been wet with the tears of children,
I have yearned with old wistful men,
And laughed or cursed with young men;
Their shame is my shame, and I have reddened for it,
Reddened for that they have served, they who should be free,
Reddened for that they have gone in want, while others have been full,
Reddened for that they have walked in fear of lawyers and of their jailors
With their writs of summons and their handcuffs,
Men mean and cruel!
I could have borne stripes on my body rather than this shame of my people.

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The entire point of turning your mind to steel is not needing appreciation or acceptance. Archer was bitter, sure, but that was more at the result he got than the act itself.

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And now I speak, being full of vision;
I speak to my people, and I speak in my people's name to the masters of my people.
I say to my people that they are holy, that they are august, despite their chains,
That they are greater than those that hold them, and stronger and purer,
That they have but need of courage, and to call on the name of their God,
God the unforgetting, the dear God that loves the peoples
For whom He died naked, suffering shame.
And I say to my people's masters: Beware,
Beware of the thing that is coming, beware of the risen people,
Who shall take what ye would not give.
Did ye think to conquer the people,
Or that Law is stronger than life and than men's desire to be free?
We will try it out with you, ye that have harried and held,
Ye that have bullied and bribed, tyrants, hypocrites, liars!

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i guess he knew that humanity is full of shit despite what he did and didn't even care about others

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>>5603227
what gender is that?

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Kiritsugi reminds me more of Archer than Shirou. Are we completely sure Archer isn't really time-traveling Kiritsugi?

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>>5603230
there are no irish on /jp/

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>>5603235
I thought it was more about being able to do anything without guilt, as long as your cold, calculating mind concludes that the end result will be the one where the highest amount of people will be saved. For example, kill your waifu, save thousands of people.

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>>5603460

That's precisely what Kiritsugu DID. Oops untranslated Fate/Zero spoilers

>>5603434

Archer took his ideal FROM Kiritsugu in the first place.

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>>5603471
I was thinking of mind of steel end in FSN. Didn't know the connections to Kiritsugi were that strong in that end.

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>>5603434
It's more like
>Kiritsugu (realistic kill ten to save a hundred, kills own emotions)
>Archer (betrayed by ideal, doesn't care anymore)
>FATEShirou (idealistic save everyone) / UBWShirou / (realistically can't save everyone, but trying to pursue the ideal is not meaningless) / HFShirou (betray ideal, save dear one)
The point is how they each pursue the ideal of "justice". The moment Archer became Kiritsugu (i.e. he started killing few people to save more as a counter guardian), he felt betrayed by its ideal and wished to kill himself. If anything, Archer in a sense is the failure of Shirou as Kiritsugu, the proof he couldn't be like him because he couldn't sort out all the inconsistencies between ideal and reality.

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>>5603551
>The moment Archer became Kiritsugu (i.e. he started killing few people to save more as a counter guardian), he felt betrayed by its ideal and wished to kill himself.

...No, not really. Up to his death, even with all the failures and not making that much of a difference, he was satisifed and with no regrets since he still tried to save people. The problem came up in afterlife, where even as a Guardian, he could not only not prevent disasters, but not even save people, just clean up.

He was like him during his life. Afterlife and eternal repetitions is a different thing.

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>>5603580

>The problem came up in afterlife, where even as a Guardian, he could not only not prevent disasters, but not even save people, just clean up.

Actually, he saved literally countless amounts.

It's just that he has no real evidence of it, as his life is just eternal slaughter.

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>>5603600
He saves the world, by not letting the disaster spread.
He cannot help the people who are struck first, which makes it seem pointless.

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>>5603614

Not to mention he has to kill everyone in the surrounding area to be sure, Warhammer 40k style.

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>>5603551
Well Archer did live up to the ideal to the very end of his life, and an eternity afterwards.

It was only "after" the eternity that he realized that it never worked, and as a result he was stuck doing what he utterly despised for the rest of eternity.

He did live up to the ideal, and he died happily, it just didn't stop there, it continued forever and it took a turn never wanted, being faced with how it was impossible for him to succeed (as he knew he had already tried everything an infinite number of times), instead being thrown the ugliest sides of humanity right up to his face for an eternity, with the burden of cleansing them instead of saving them.

And in a sense it's not really as if he wants to kill "himself", he wants to kill shirou, but his actual goal was to stop his (and shirou's eventually) un-life and never ending work of cleansing of people they wanted to save.
He gave it a go, it failed, and he grew to want it to end like how it's supposed to be after death, instead of doing something he doesn't want to be done for infinity.

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WHAT CAN CHANGE THE NATURE OF A MAN ???

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>>5603644
Anything.

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>>5603644

Which slut shows her poon to you first.

[Anonymous No.]

>become the bone of my sword
>everybody hates me

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>>5603669
Except Morte.

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>>5603674
He sure did hate me after I stuck him back to the pillar.

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>>5603656
Anyone happen to have that hilarious .gif involving this image?

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>>5603681
Why would you do that?

He was your only friend ;_;

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>>5603774
Hey, I sold Dak'kon to slavery and had Annah eaten by the Grimoire too.

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>>5603844

YOU BASTARD