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5541476 No.5541476 [Reply] [Original]

Hey /jp/, I just downloaded a Touhou game.

Anything I should know before I play?

>> No.5541485

Dont get hit

>> No.5541491

They are fucking hard.

Also, which one?

>> No.5541493

Hold shift for focused movement.

>> No.5541499
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5541499

Press shift for focused movement.

>> No.5541503
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5541503

hold shift for focused movement
if you're new and just want to beat the game then the bombs are there to be used

>> No.5541517

Hold shift for focused movement,
Default Lives or it doesn't count,
Only kids play in easymodo.

>> No.5541532

Hold shift for focussed movement.

>> No.5541546

Press Z or R twice to do a barrel roll.

>> No.5541554

>>5541491
Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, since I heard that was the first really awesome game.

Thanks for the suggestions, guys. I didn't expect such helpful comments.

>> No.5541570

>>5541554
Yeah, that's a good one.
You can't see your hitbox in that one though, but for Reimu, I try to use the white parts in her outfit.

>> No.5541574

>>5541554
It's the first Windows game. Good luck; it's hard for beginners, but does train you well to not rely on the hitbox. Download the texture patch.

>> No.5541577

>>5541554
Get the hitbox mod
Also, get a different game, that one kind of sucks.

>> No.5541581

>>5541554
If you want to make quick progress, try Perfect Cherry Blossom or Imperishable Night. They are considered the easiest Touhous. Also you will learn the Hit box much faster.
EOSD can be quite hard.

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5541587

Not OP, but I downloaded the whole of Touhou and I wanted to know which I should start with (aka: which is the easiest)?

I started playing Imperishable Night and found it pretty simple, but I'm still terrible- is it the easiest?

>> No.5541594

>>5541587
IN's generally considered the easiest easymode.
I'm not sure where it places on other difficulty levels. Though many would say the easiest due to deathbombs.

>> No.5541599

>>5541587
It's one of the easier ones.
Just remember that you have bombs, and plenty of them, so use them when it looks like you can't make it.

>> No.5541606

You should know that there are better games.

>> No.5541609

>>5541587
Yes and no. Deathbombing allows it to be easier, but you also don't get the default 3 continues of 6 and 7.

I personally found Touhou 4 to be the easiest. Yes, the dreaded Yuka is actually a pushover, comparatively speaking.

>> No.5541610

>>5541594
The only Touhou game I ever played on easy was perfect cherry blossom, so that I could get a chance to fight yukari.

>> No.5541617

>>5541610
You couldn't 1cc normal but could beat Ran?

>> No.5541618

>>5541610
There are these things called continues.

>> No.5541621

>>5541577
>hitbox mod
>eosd bad
fucking summer...

>> No.5541623

You get your bombs restocked every life, so use them all BEFORE dying. Don't be a hero and try to dodge everything.

>> No.5541624

>>5541618
Oh wait, derp, I read that as "Yuyuko". Something is wrong with me today.

>> No.5541634

>>5541618
I got to yuyuko on normal and lost on resurrection butterfly ;_;

>> No.5541638
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>>5541624
Take it easy!

>> No.5541649

>>5541610
No, the thing is, to fight yukari, you have to have a number of spell cards captured, and I did as many normal, hards, and lunatics that I could atm, and realised that easy still counts too. It was horribly easy of course

>> No.5541653

>>5541634
Yeah, that tends to happen a lot, especially early on. Still, hearing her final Border of Life theme makes it worth dying for.

It's too bad the later Touhou games stopped giving final bosses "Last Word" themes; it would be quite epic and lovely...

>> No.5541692

how do u get tohou, i get to the site but can ever download

>> No.5541728

>>5541692
Torrent.

>> No.5541732

>>5541581
I had originally wanted to start from the very beginning for completion's sake, but I figured I might as well start from the beginning of the Windows games.

Also, dumb question, is there any way to save or continue later? I got to stage 2 only to be killed by Cirno.

>> No.5541748

>>5541732
That is a dumb question. No.

>> No.5541750

>>5541732
The point of these games is to be able to beat them all in one go. They're generally only about a half hour long anyway.

>> No.5541756

>>5541732
After you beat a stage, you unlock it for Practice mode, where you can play just that stage with lots of lives.

Except EoSD, another reason why it's not beginner friendly. There, you still start with just 3 lives so if you bombed your way through and now want to practice...well, better expect to restart a lot, or keep bombing more...

>> No.5541768

Not OP, I just started and have been playing 6 and 11. Is it just me or is 11 much harder? I've heard 8 is a good beginner one, is this true?

>> No.5541797
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>>5541768
May consider 11 the hardest or one of the hardest Touhou games. My favorite character in it, Orin, will probably ROLL ROLL your corpse around.

8 has a practice spell mode so it's the best one for training.

>> No.5541801

>>5541750
>>5541756
All right, thanks for the help!

>> No.5541803

>>5541768
8 is considered easier.
Largely due to the Deathbomb - when hit, you have a longer period of time during which you can bomb in order to stay alive.
Deathbombing takes 2 bombs instead one, though.

>> No.5541811

>>5541797

Okay.

I'm going to need some more of this, or the image set preferably.

>> No.5541860

>>5541797
Give me source, you motherfucker, I need to fap to this 3D bitch.

>> No.5541928

>>5541797

GOD DAMNIT /jp/ I NEED THIS IMAGE SET

>> No.5541961

>>5541860
>>5541811
>>5541928
Unfortunately, I don't have it either and would like it as well...;_;

Also, do you know who this is?

>> No.5541963

>>5541797
>avoid the "danmaku bounded field" a la orin
>think you're awesome
>OH WAIT THE SPIRITS ARE COMING INSIDE TOO

>> No.5541977

Don't fucking give up.
That's only thing you should know about Touhou.

I guess you should start with 8, it's pretty easy if you are going to start with normal modo. Easy mode is for kids

>> No.5541990

>>5541961

Looks like Lenfried

>> No.5541997

>>5541977
And by easy I mean for a touhou game.
It's not easy if you are a first timer

>> No.5542004

>>5541990
I thought so too, but her sets usually keep getting posted, but I didn't see this one around much...this was just a single picture I saved from some thread

>> No.5542005
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>>5541732
>killed by Cirno.

>> No.5542057

>>5542005
Seconding this. Scrub here and I think I've only died to Cirno twice in ~8 tries. I keep getting raped by Sakuya though. Patchy's a fricken pushover. I've only used Marisa B so far, who's the best player to be?

>> No.5542068

>>5542057
For clearing the game, the best character to be is pretty much based on your preference.
I've no idea for scoring.

>> No.5542069

>>5542057

Mari B is the best in EOSD; borderline broken.

>> No.5542075

>>5542069
How is she broken? She didn't seem all that special to me. I just picked her for MASTERSPARK.

>> No.5542098

>>5542075

Master spark is the bomb for illusion laser, which is not broken at all.

Magic missile destroys everything unbelievably fast.

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>>5541732
>killed by Cirno

>> No.5542102

>>5541634 here, I just beat PCB normal but with continues =/

>> No.5542107

I certainly hope you mean "lost a life" to cirno, and not "got my first gameover" on cirno...because that's just sad.

>> No.5542120

>>5541797

Surely someone on /jp/ must have this set.

>> No.5542126

Vsync patch is a must.

>> No.5542155

>>5542107
I got my first game-over to fairies in stage 1. Then again I made it a point to play on Lunatic because I was/am only interested in stage 1 and 2 bosses.

>> No.5542192

>>5542005
>>5542101
>>5542107
Come on you guys, I never played one of these games before.

>> No.5542216

>>5542107
Not everyone is innately good at these games, but that does not mean they do not have the potential. I know plenty of people who'd probably wipe out on easy mode 1st stage enemies because they don't play these types of games, but are skilled and talented enough to probably because great players if they put the time and effort into it. A gentle introduction to hook them is better than just dismissing them and in turn, causing them to dismiss the series.

>> No.5542235

>>5542192
You'll get better. As a tip, play on normal and try not to bomb too much. It forces you to learn how to dodge. Also, focus on the bottom of the screen; that's where you're dodging.

>> No.5542237
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5542237

You should know this:

You are going to be VERY frustrated when playing this game for a while.

>> No.5542247

>>5542192
Oh my bad, I forgot cirno isn't the first stage boss. Shows you how much I play EoSD.

that's actually pretty good for your first shot at these type of games.

>> No.5542262

When the letters on web pages start scrolling downwards and fanning out then you know you need to take a break

>> No.5542346

When I started playing Touhou I regularly got a game over on Cirno. On easy mode. Stage 4 is as far as I could go even with continues.
I don't see how anyone would do much better unless they had prior shmup experience.

>> No.5542362

>>5542346
Not to mention the hitbox concept took me a while to grasp, as I didn't see the point of having a larger sprite. My only prior experience was classic Galaga, which did not pull such gimmicks.

>> No.5542462

Does anyone here use a gamepad to play? I think It would probably be easier with that.

>> No.5542471

>>5542462
I use an xbox 360 controller.

>> No.5542481

>>5542462
I use a PS1 controller

>> No.5542541

how do I deathbomb?

>> No.5542565

>>5542541
Press bomb really fast, within miliseconds of getting hit, so you'd have to start hitting the bomb button before you actually get hit. Except in IN, when sometimes you have much longer, and get a much more powerful deathbomb that costs two bombs instead of one.

>> No.5542581

>>5542541
Reflex. Have a control setup that allows you to adapt your reflexes well to it.

>> No.5542587

>>5542462

360 controller. The stick makes it so much easier.

>> No.5542591

>>5542462
Most parts are definitely easier with a pad or stick.
Some are pretty much the same and a few can actually be easier on a keyboard. Overall using a keyboard is too awkward as smooth movement is much harder to do.

>>5542541
Bomb right after getting hit. You only have like 1 or 2 frames to bomb so you pretty much have to know beforehand that a bullet is coming your way or you won't be able to react fast enough.

>> No.5542641

>>5542591
Yeah, I asked because I've noticed a lot of my deaths come from overstearing due to moving with the arrow keys. I've pretty much been constantly in focused movement to prevent it.

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OP here again.

>>5542247
Thanks bro.

I really appreciate all the newfag tips you guys have volunteered. I'm gonna go beat Cirno!

>> No.5542663

Terms of difficulty:

UFO > SA > EoSD > PCB > IN > MoF (not counting PoFV)

UFO has a retarded gimmick to score and earn items. When you first play it, go for every Green UFO you see and bomb your way through the game. It's really the only way for a beginner to do it. Use Sanae B or Reimu A first. For SA, use Reimu A and practice. The rest really have no set strategy except IN. Use Border Team there.

Note that MoF's bombs are stupid effective, and power is VERY common, so you can easily bomb your way through that game.

>> No.5542671

>>5542591
I've gotten pretty adept at using a keyboard for danmaku.

>> No.5542682

>>5542646
Just move around her spellcards, they're not exactly all that hard to sidestep.

>> No.5542730
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I'm gonna get to the end of this game someday damnit!

>> No.5542750

>>5542730
If you're OP, then that's not bad for a day, assuming you're playing with default settings...

>> No.5542761

>>5542750
Not OP. It would be a bit ridiculous if he got that far already. I'm this guy >>5542057

>> No.5542807

Every time I die against Remi, my score says I've got about 106% completion.
Is it measuring in terms of Easymodo or something?

>> No.5542819

>>5542671
Of course, it's possible to 1cc Lunatic no problem with a keyboard but it's somewhat of a handicap.

>>5542730
Just play a round or two every day and it will happen without too much effort. If you get bored mix it up with some other games for variety. Try to find a non-Touhou shmup you like too if you don't already have one. Variety makes you a better player overall and when you come back after a few weeks you might be surprised at how much better you got.

>> No.5542821

>>5542807
Easymodo is 5 stages and this
>>5542730
was my score when fighting Remi so no.

>> No.5542836

>>5542819
I'm fine with just playing this one over and over because Hong Meiling's spellcards are really fun to dodge and I love her theme. I wish I could skip the first two levels though.

>> No.5542841

>>5542821
Any idea why it is, then? I'm trying to 1cc Normal Mode.
My frame-rate is abnormally high - about 74fps, usually. Not sure if that would affect it.

>> No.5542844

I know this is a bit of an advanced topic, but go try Shoot the Bullet and Double Spoiler, OP. They will most likely wreck your shit with the amount of experience you have, but they're good at reinforcing the idea of making plans for each spellcard you face. It's kind of like a puzzle game in that aspect. There's still a bunch of skill needed though to actually pull off plans for the later cards though.

>> No.5542877

>>5542841
Yeah, go get the VSync patch.
http://coolier.sytes.net:8080/th_up3/file/th3_8419.zip
You'll need to rename the EoSD exe you're using into 東方紅魔郷, but the other games just need to be th07, th08, and the like.

>> No.5542886

>>5542877
Okay, thanks.

>> No.5542929
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just remember that touhou is a bullet avoidance game

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>>5541476
YOU GONNA GET RAPED

>> No.5543261

I don't get why people say EoSD is one of the hardest.

It's the only one I've managed to 1cc Lunatic on.

I can't even do Hard or Extra on the other ones.

>> No.5543267

>>5543261

People are dumb and think you need a visible hitbox to play. The patch that adds one is evidence of this.

>> No.5543270

Save the second and 12th game for last if you don't want to be crushing your keyboard.

>> No.5543271

>>5543261
lies, no one from /jp/ plays on lunatic

>> No.5543281

Also stage 4 is a bit unbalanced in difficulty depending on what you're playing but anyone who struggles on stage 4 shouldn't be taken as an authority.

>> No.5543290

>>5542247
I have used both and its far easier with a gamepad.

>> No.5543293

>>5542844
Will do. I'll get Shoot the Bullet first. Don't think the torrent I'm using has Double Spoiler.

>> No.5543296

>>5543261
It's one of the only ones I haven't beaten extra on. I agree that it isn't as hard on high difficulties as a lot of them are, though.

>> No.5543301

>>5543261
>>5543267
It's not one of the hardest, but it's one of the hardest for beginners, which is what these threads are all about. You only have 3 lives during practice, which will probably lead to bombspam in order to practice on bosses. No hitbox is oldschool PC98 style, but it's not the best way to start for beginners if more friendly implementations exist in later editions.

EoSD was the first one I 1cc'd, but they should at least see what the hitbox looks like first to get a good idea. I had never even heard of the concept of your whole sprite not being the entire hitbox until I played Touhou.

>> No.5543365

I played UFO as my first game
Got all the way to stage 3 after several days of struggling. Then I realized there was a focus button, and that your hitbox was like 25% of your sprite.
Things were smooth sailing from there on.

>> No.5543371

>>5543301

The less lives they deal with the better because then they won't play other shmups and be shocked when they don't hand out extends like welfare cheques.

I think the best thing for a beginner starting out on touhou is to avoid the many terrible habits it teaches you.

>> No.5543387

>>5543371
>terrible habits it teaches you
People still use this stupid canard? Geez.

>> No.5543403

>>5543387

Feel free to correct me in detail. Such as how depending on last bomb frames, never having to deal with heavy, involved streaming patterns or getting several lives in a single playthrough isn't a bad thing.

>> No.5543415

>>5543371
>>5543403
I assume people can cross between games without much hassle.
Maybe it's just me.

>> No.5543424

>>5543403
>implying you can't just enjoy toohoo and then go play other LOL SO HARDCORE gaems that focus on those things too, learning from both the same way you learn from EVERY fricken game.

>> No.5543430

>>5543403
Because it doesn't matter. At all.
When you go play another shmup you just adapt to it.
It's not like you can go play Gran Turismo like Burnout either and they're both racing games.

>> No.5543452

>>5543424
Your post is an amalgam of every 4chan cliche, I'm not going to give it a serious retort.

>> No.5543461

>>5543430
Speaking from personal experience there's a considerable amount of time in that "adapt" period, one that could be avoided with good advice.

>> No.5543499

I got to Remilia's last spell card twice on normal 1cc attempt now

I don't play it that much though as the chance of success is so much lower than any other type of game. particularly when you can save.

I really admire the people that can get though the game without bombing on youtube

>> No.5543507

>>5543499
Why would you admire anyone on youtube.

>> No.5543511

>>5543452
It was as serious a retort as the post to which it responded deserved, but whatever.

>> No.5543518

>>5543507
for being able to beat a hard game without bombs, as i said

>> No.5543520

>>5543461
Considering how by definition you cannot possibly have tried it both ways, I don't see how you can claim to be an expert, at least enough to spew elitist tripe about "bad habits."

>> No.5543526

>>5543461
It doesn't take longer to adapt than to learn how to play a shmup in the first place. How often do you need to get hit to realize that you have to bomb BEFORE you get hit? Some games don't even have bombs.
Not to mention that you have to learn every new game anyway as they're all different and most of that is learning the stages and bosses, not even the actual game mechanics.

>> No.5543543

>>5543271
SecondaryFag. Ring any bell?

>> No.5543582
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No joke: the best thing you can do to improve your game is to keep your cool and take it slow.

After that, there are two other things you should keep in mind:
#1 bombs exist to be used, use them
#2 hold shift for focused movement

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5543600

OP here again.

brb killing myself

>> No.5543602

>>5543600
Don't worry. You'll improve at the game with time, if only from familiarity with each spellcard.

>> No.5543624

Touhou games are all too hard.

I can't even do Normal.

>> No.5543644

>>5543624
Nor can I. But I'm damn close, now.
Don't give up, anonymous~

>> No.5543652

>>5543600
Just keep playing.
Memorization plays a huge part in Touhou.

>> No.5543671

>>5543600
Five very important things to remember-

1.Look at your character, not at the pretty enemies. You need to be able to dodge the millions of tiny dots flying towards you.

2.HOLD SHIFT FOR FOCUSED MOVEMENT
3.HOLD SHIFT FOR FOCUSED MOVEMENT
4.HOLD SHIFT FOR FOCUSED MOVEMENT
5.HOLD SHIFT FOR FOCUSED MOVEMENT

>> No.5543685

>>5543671
>tiny dots
Don't forget the massive bullets (with hitboxes around half their size)

>> No.5543690
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>hold shift for focused movement

Kanako would like a word with you all.

>> No.5543699
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I usually get a game over on on Stage 5 in Normal on EoSD. Didn't know anything about the hitbox yet.

Stopped playing that for a while and tried out IN (normal). Died a few times, but it got really easy when I found out about the hitbox.

>> No.5543709

>>5543699
Now you know the size of your hitbox in almost every Touhou game.

>> No.5543711
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>>5543671
Holding shift gets me fucked more often than not. I must be doing something wrong.

Also, there doesn't seem to be much difference between Normal and Lunatic. Weird.

>> No.5543714

>>5543690
>Hold shift for focused movement (use when appropriate)
Ammended.

>> No.5543717

>>5543711
No, in PCB it actually helps to stay unfocused wherever you can. Don't listen to the memespammers.

>> No.5543726

>>5543711
You're bombing like crazy in the early stages, what do you expect?

>> No.5543733

>>5543717
I apologize if I was giving bad advice. I thought he was still playing EoSD which is the only one I've played so far. I was just trying to relay how much that's helped me.

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5543753

I can't do this
This is hard.

>> No.5543771

>>5543753
Play on normal. You aren't really dodging anything, so you aren't learning. Also, bombs. Use them if you're in doubt.

>> No.5543774

>>5543733
I was taking the advice of the other guy who said to try PCB before EoSD, but I'll remember your words when I go back to EoSD.

>> No.5543779

>>5543711
All it does is slow you down so you can navigate through the nastier patterns better, and so you can focus your wide-fire on a single target.

For the most part, SHIFTing is for when there's more bullets on the screen than free space.

>> No.5543789

>>5543779
Indeed, the main reason it helps me is because it stops my character from flying around every time I push the arrow keys. Focused movement is much more precise.

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