ZUN is trolling you.

[Anonymous No.]

There is a fan theory that Maribel and Yukari Yakumo are actually the same person. The basic idea of this theory is that when Maribel sleeps she dreams that she is Yukari and when Yukari sleeps she dreams she is Maribel. Because Yukari is nocturnal and is known to sleep during the day neither of them would normally be awake at the same time.

Maribel is strangely able to cross the border into Gensokyo while dreaming. Some fans go further with this theory to suggest that Gensokyo itself was created in Maribel's dreams.

紫の夢の世界が外の世界という噂も。
>Rumor has it that she is a youkai from outside, and she simply comes to here for play. Indeed, she may spend the winters and the daytime, when she claims to be sleeping, in the outside world, and some even say that the outside world is Yukari's dream.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Yukari_Yakumo

[Anonymous No.]

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Maribel_Han

[Anonymous No.]

Breaking news.

[Anonymous No.]

OP, I am very temped to post my image macro of Kaguya kicking her computer with the text

"Oh, it's THIS thread again!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529663
>>5529670
It has been at least 4 months since we last discussed this.

[Anonymous No.]

Maribel and Renko are half-youkai. It's the only explanation!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529663
>>5529670

Uh, so?

Discussing this is much better than "CHEEEEN" thread #1224 or Sanae is a slut shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529701
Not really. We had Renko threads a few days ago.

[Anonymous No.]

The less you know, the better it will be.
Join Yuri...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529701
What no? 4 months? We had this thread at least one month back in some form or other. And it was old new already back then. This horse is pretty much dead. We don't have anything more to discuss, at least not regarding the theory OP addresses.

[Anonymous No.]

Has /jp/ ever discussed the probability of Gensokyo just being the dream of Yukari or Maribel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529709
You're right, but seeing as OP is a pasta everyone's already seen, it could be more original. I don't mind another Mary/Renko general thread but geez, can't OP just say that then?

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>5529645
Yeah and I'm sure Mirabel is like 1500+ years old right?

[Anonymous No.]

If Gensokyo is anyone's dream, it's the Wind Fish's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529730
And in the end, Reimu becomes a Seagull and lives happily ever after.

;_;

[thoughtless celestial !!i5rclDQxK0Z No.]

>>5529715
than lets continue the discussion about youkai being created by lunarians and about yukari fightning to join the humans and youkais against their lunar opressors!

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>>5529726
There's a time dilation in Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529730
That fucking Wind Fish, trolling me when I was 8 years old with that goddamn Eagle's Tower and half the other dungeons.

[Anonymous No.]

im a lunarian

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529749
I never made it past Eagle Tower ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529726
Can you prove that Yukari is 1500 years old? Oh wait, you can't, because Maribel just invented her in her dream.

[Anonymous No.]

China is the sleeping form of the Dragon. Discuss.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5755.0

[Anonymous No.]

There's also the subtle referencing to a well-known Japanophile in their names.

This Japanophile, Lacfadio Hearn, became Koizumi Yakumo when he gained Japanese citizenship.

[Anonymous No.]

Chuang Tzu did it first

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529770
Why would anyone want to give up a sweet name like Lafcadio?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529776
Like I said, Japanophile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529768
Wow, they're just like us!

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>>5529757
Eirin is not a Lunarian. She's a human no different from any of us who went to the moon to help out with the Lunar Capital. Even PMiSS claims she's a human:
>Rumor has it that she is a human with a deep connection to the Lunar Capital.
>She seems like a kind human on a first impression, but since the reasons for her kindness are unknown, she sometimes makes people uneasy.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Eirin_Yagokoro

Not that Lunarians are any different from humans to begin with. They only have longer lifespans and more spiritual power because they were cleansed of the original sin. Thus attaining immortality.

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>>5529795
If I'm understanding your argument correctly, America doesn't exist and I'm really Irish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529795
>PMiSS claims
>claims

Akyuu isn't perfect.

[Anonymous No.]

>trying to make sense out of a storyline made by a drunken Jap

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>>5529834
You are not a first generation immigrant. You were born in America, so you're an American. Eirin is just a vagrant. She went to the moon for a while then came back to Earth. God only knows how much places she lived on Earth.

Let me give you an analogy. If a Japanese person migrated to Africa for 10 years, then went back to Japan. Could you call him an African (despite the fact that he was born in Japan)?

[Anonymous No.]

>and some even say that the outside world is Yukari's dream.

This doesn't even make any sense.

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>5529762
And Yuyuko too I guess since they've know each when Yuyuko was alive.

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>5529880
>Could you call him an African (despite the fact that he was born in Japan)?
You couldn't but the japs would treat him as gajin trash.

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>>5529888
it just means Zun began reading "Taoism for dummies" while in a drunken stupor and remembered only the flashy bits when he woke up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529880
Eirin probably helped found the fucking moon, and definitely provided it with almost all of its technology. How the fuck are you claiming she isn't a Lunarian?

[Anonymous No.]

Eirin reminds me of the Patriots from Metal Gear. Her existence is such a riddle. How is it possible she has lived this long? How does she know so much? Exactly how much power is she holding back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529912
Lots of European inventors helped America with their technology, but did the history books remember them as Americans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529939
If they stuck around for fucking centuries? Hell yeah they would.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529927
Good medicine and living a long time tend to do that to you.

As for why she's more powerful than most Lunarians... most of them don't seem to really care about learning or becoming powerful. She's a relic of a time when it was necessary.

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>>5529927

Okay Japan, where's my Touhou Metal Gear parody game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529957
I'm already working on it. Eirin is The Boss who stole the Lunarian's limitless energy supply and defected to Gensokyo. Reisen goes to Earth to retrieve or kill her master.

The Boss = Eirin
EVA = Tewi
Volgin = Yukari
Snake = Reisen

Kaguya's 5 impossible request will be the codename of the Bosses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530039
Why don't you make a new game instead of ripping off an old one?

[Anonymous No.]

It makes even more sense to think of Gensokyo like a dream made up by a comatose Reimu, who has been making it all up in her head since she had a car accident at age 5. A world made up by a girl who remembers nothing except what little fragments she picked up from the mish-mash of folklore and fairy tales she cobbled together in the brief time before her tragic accident.

That's why everyone in Gensokyo can fly. Because five-year-olds don't know it's impossible. That's why Reimu is super-powerful miko with ultrahaxx - who wouldn't be the hero in their childish fantasies? That's why in this world, she has a friend, who is an exciting blonde magician with a huge wizard hat, just like she always thought a cool imaginary friend would look like. That's why in this world, differences are resolved by everyone sitting to have a tea party - what five-year old girl doesn't throw one for Mrs Fluffy and Snuggles the Octopus?

That's why everyone in Gensokyo is girls with frilly dresses and hats - because a girl of five likes to play with dolls and dress them up. That's why everyone has dangerous, bright, glowing danmaku - because two large oval lights permeated the last second of her consciousness and forever stuck there when the entire world came crashing down on her. That's why the world is full with talking animals, spirits, and fairies. That's why everyone notable in Gensokyo is a girl - all her friends were girls, and she never got the chance to go to school.

Search your heart, you know it to be true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529947
A century to us humans is a blink of an eye to Eirin who's practically immortal at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530056
Parody ≠ Ripping off

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530057
I fucking hate you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530075
Right, it's even worse than ripping off. You're not only appropriating gameplay elements but the story as well.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530057
seems plausible

[Anonymous No.]

STOP OVERANALYSING THIS SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530105
wrong board

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530039

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530057
So you're saying ZUN has the mind of a 5 year old girl?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530161
That, and the liver of a Malaysian gay whore heroin addict.

But somehow it all comes together to make a comprehensive whole.

[Anonymous No.]

>Maribel's clothes are also very similar to Yukari's clothing from Perfect Cherry Blossom

What, in the fact that they are both purple?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530212
Well, there *are* more similarities than that. The hat is suspiciously similar as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530294
You mean the poofy ZUN-hat half of the cast wears? Yes, that would prove a connection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530314
Name other with a similar hat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530457

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530520
Not blond, doesn't count.

[Anonymous of Austria No.]

>>5530457
Marisa's.
Yuyuko's.
Letty's

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530547
>Well, there *are* more similarities than that. The hat is suspiciously similar as well.
>You mean the poofy ZUN-hat half of the cast wears? Yes, that would prove a connection
>Name other with a similar hat.
>Remili.jpg posted
>Not blond, doesn't count.

Stop being such a fucken idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530572
>Abilities: Able to "see" Gensokyo's boundaries.
Also there are more than one posting, idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530572
>>5530639
Stop fighting you two!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530639
Sorry, I forgot my pluralization.

The ability to see the boundaries of gensokyo is simply the only ability she could have.
Any other and she would have no point in the story
So calling it point of connection is a moot point.

[Anonymous No.]

CAN YOU FEEL MY HEART!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCObgo0irf8

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530753
After watching that video again I'm starting to think the reason why Yukari created the youkai realm in Gensokyo was to help the humans. Maybe she fell in love with Reimu's predecessor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530779
That video has no semblance to canon.
Actually, it might be the anti-canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530827
I see Yukari, the Dragon, and the illusion/youkai Gensokyo being formed. It looks pretty canon to me. Though the region Yukari is altering should have been bigger. Assuming it's not going to be expanding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529888
They're not actually serious.
Learn to image board fan theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530874

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530924
Wait, I forgot 2chan isn't just image board.. well, anonymous board. Whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530931
Silly Yukari~n, you are not a Ninja.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530056
>Why don't you make a new game instead of ripping off an old one?
basically everything is imitating or building on something else. “We all learn by watching others.” It’s best to merely respect what’s come before – not to try to claim it as one’s own, or to deviate too far from the original intent of the work.
--ZUN
http://www.gensokyo.org/archives/92#more-92

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532385
/jp/ would be a better place if people posted actual quotations from ZUN constantly instead of canon bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

NEW


AND


EXCITING!


Also, >>5532452
>ZUN quotations instead of canon bullshit
You can't be serious. Go review the concept of canon please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532461
Are you implying ZUN quotations are canon? They aren't. You're stupid for thinking they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532474
yeah because what the author says can't be official, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532478
Right. You shouldn't even think about the author at all when considering a work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532493
You are fucking retarded.

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5530565

Marisa wears a witch-hat, not a mop hat.

The outfits of Mary and Yukari are similar in color and type, and they have a similar appearance. It would explain that Mari would want to create a world of magical lolis who do nothing but shoot shiny bullets and drink tea. She comes from a world where there's no real food and children never smile. Apparently ZUN's vision of the future is pretty bleak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532502
And letting an author retcon half their story in an interview isn't retarded?

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[Anonymous No.]

Eirin is a lunarian.
It may be IMPLIED that she MAY be a human in it, but doesn't necessarily say she is. It's only a possibility. Don't go as far as saying "no she isn't" just because there's only a small possibility or superstition. The way I see it, because Kaguya is a lunarian and Eirin was on the the moon so far back and even knows Kaguya (and may even predate her),means she's a lunarian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5531099
> Fate/stay night
> Sakura younger than Shirou, who is younger than Illya... who is 18

[Anonymous No.]

>>5530057
Holy shit put down Concealed the Conclusion.

[Anonymous No.]

im a lunarian

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532608
Do you not realize her existence predates the man who founded the Lunar Capital? By definition she is not a Lunarian by blood because she didn't evolve with them. Since she wasn't born on the moon, the only other things she could be is a human, goddess, or youkai. She's not a youkai, and ZUN has never said she's a goddess so she must be a human. I guess you could say she's a human who went to the Lunarian Capital (and became a Lunarian), but since she migrated back to Earth she has waived her Lunarian status: >>5529880

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529888
the ones who think that must be bird youkai
they are kind of retards, you see~

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532768
Until she relinquishes the title Brain of the Moon, she will always be a Lunarian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532783
Bird youkai are actually quite smart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5529764

Considering that Youkai are the embodiment of the particular item or theme, and that Meiling is possibly the only one with China as an actual theme, you could instead argue that either she's the living embodiment of 4,000 years of power, or that she's the Youkai of beginnings, a creation spirit.

Derp, fanon is easy to make.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532608
>he way I see it, because Kaguya is a lunarian and Eirin was on the the moon so far back and even knows Kaguya (and may even predate her)
>and may even predate her)
>may
Wait, I missed that last part. Now I see what's going on here--you haven't read ZUN's holy scriptures yet. Eirin is confirmed to being at least several millenniums older than Kaguya. Kaguya is relatively young compared to other Lunarians. Eirin is older than Lord Tsukiyomi, the human sage who first went to the moon and started the Lunar civilization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5532556
You can't make a conclusion based off these picked-off half-baked similarities.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is better than most of the shit on the frontpage ATM. Have a bump.

[Anonymous No.]

Sakuya is a Lunarian.

Discuss.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>5537846

Just because lunarians are human and Sakuya is human it doesn't mean Sakuya is lunarian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5537859
Lunarians are Lunarians. Humans are Humans.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>5537865

Kind of. Lunarians are humans but humans are not lunarians.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5537865
Lunarians are humans who live on the Moon.
I'm sure there are Lunarians native to the Moon (Kaguya), but that still doesn't make them less human.

I think the word we're mistaking here is "Earthling" not "human."

[Anonymous No.]

>>5537872
Nah Humans are Humans, and Lunarians are Lunarians.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5537846
Actually, Sakuya is past Eirin. At some point in future she will mess up with her time manipulation skills, and accidently send herself to past, in moon. There she decides to never use the time control again so that another incident like that wouldn't happen. Instead she chooses to pursue medicine, and in time masters it and becomes the royal pharmacist of the moon.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>5537893

Think of it as how a revolver is a pistol but a pistol is not a revolver.
Lunarians are part of the human race, but they have traits the rest of the human race do not share.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5537982
Both are pistols. In b4 MarisaDA comes here to brag how she/he/it got raped and now has to compensate with sticking weapons up her/his/its hole.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN says he's still waiting to reveal Sakuya's origin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5539083
He never will.

ZUN is smart to have so many holes in his work, it helps to keep the fanbase alive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5537907
fanon shit