/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Do you believe you are real /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

No. I am the ghost that haunts /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>5378795
The question is obviously too deep for you.

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing is real!

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a man dreaming that I am a butterfly dreaming that it is a man.

[Anonymous No.]

I believe that every second I take a dump, a spider comes out of the water and climbs into my anus where it lays its eggs, and the next time I go to the loo, a million spiders come out of my ass.

[Anonymous No.]

of course i'm real what the fuck kind of question is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>traitor to humanity.jpg
burn her

[Anonymous No.]

>>5378790
i think therefor i am
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

I've lost my faith with the supposed intelligent otakus

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>5378790
There is no spoon.

[Anonymous No.]

No, so now I am in Gensokyo!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5378790
No. I'm a collection of undefined probabilities that somehow manifest into something that pretends it exists.

[Anonymous No.]

i ammade of a bilion tiny creatues actin g in pereft convert

[Necrobrotent No.]

Yeah, but I'm open to alternatives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5378790
Yes, I'm believe I'm real. Therefore, I am.
Gensokyo, and any other different world aren't for the same reason.

[Anonymous No.]

Gensokyo is not real

[Anonymous No.]

>implying i am not fucking Byakuren tenderly right now.

[Anonymous No.]

Occam's razor says I probably am. Too many assumptions need to be made for me to be unreal.

[Anonymous No.]

yes

[☃nonymous !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

That depends on your definition of real.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

Cogito ergo sum.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I believe in this artist.

[Anonymous No.]

>I think therefore I am bullshit
Which transcendental signifier says you are thinking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5378953
I do. That's the magic of it, since I can't be sure of anything, only what I believe is real.

[Anonymous No.]

"Does /jp/ exist?"
"Of course it exists. Loli exists. /jp/ is the embodiment of loli."
"Does it exist in the same way that I exist?"
"You do not exist," said moot.

[Anonymous No.]

Waifus are like all religions: A creation of stupid faggots who want to escape reality with promises of better things.

[☃nonymous !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5378953
That argument has always irritated me so much. I don't think most people realize that, from a scientific point of view, you're not "thinking" any more than a computer is. People seem to think thought is magic when it is just constant adjustment of behavior as a result of outside variable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379002
Humans, unlike computers, receive the same external stimuli, yet react differently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379039
If two humans are exactly identical, down the the very smallest detail, including history and environment, then they are subjected to the exact same stimulus, they will have the exact same response.

[『五角场 ～之～ 无名氏』 No.]

Solipsism?
Yes, I have ponder about it since I was 4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379066
>conjectural shit
And nobody will ever be able to prove this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379066
That's impossible to prove.

[Anonymous No.]

If only I had saved that "humans are deterministic" flowchart.

[Anonymous No.]

>I think therefore I am
Ya sure?

Also, do we have a philosopher power level chart? We have one for musicians...

[Anonymous No.]

My headache makes it rather obvious.

[(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ BOOF ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜) !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl No.]

Are you real?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379039
In 1hr press F1 on your keyboard, what happens?

[Anonymous No.]

I am the lucid dream.
The monster in your nightmares.
The fiend of a thousand faces.

Jokes aside, I do not need philosophy to tell me I am alive, or that I can exist regardless of what others perceive as truth.

[Koma !ZoSWhgaKAI No.]

>>5379099
Are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379068
Pft.
I laughed out that theory by the time I turned 3.

[Koma !ZoSWhgaKAI No.]

>>5379116
how about the brain in the vat theory?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

[Anonymous No.]

Even if you take an extremely materialistic approach, you can't say the a brain works the same way as a program...

[☃nonymous !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5379073
>>5379071
No it isn't. You don't have to experience a situation to know what would happen, my friend. I have never seen someone fall off a building, but I can tell you their body would be crushed if they did. In this situation, you can only logically assume what would happen. A person's brain is not a magical object. It searches for the most appropriate response for the situation and acts upon it. Why the fuck would two identical people with the same history and physical make up act differently in the exact same situation? To begin with, you do realize that everything is a result of atomic movement, right? If we had the proper technology and documentation, we could chart out exactly how everything would occur in our universe since its start. Thought is not a magical dimension separate from everything else. It is merely another figure in the painting of our universe.

[Anonymous No.]

when it comes to being real or not,
belief doesn't make a difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379120
The world is simply what it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379125
>>5379125
Why argue with stupid Creationists? They won't believe a single fucking thing that anyone says. If Jesus himself told them evolution exists, they'd deny it.

[『五角场 ～之～ 无名氏』 No.]

wait what?
evolution IS accepted by the vatican
they've wormed out a way to make it work with creationism

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379120
Those thought experiments are mostly useless. Being "real" or not, the fact remains that the phenomenal world is everything we have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379112
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[Anonymous No.]

>>5379153
"Phenomenal?"
Bah. This world is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379151
But it's not accepted by some (read: most) christians.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379165
Good thing most Christians aren't Catholics then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379125
Sure is Laplace's demon around here, huh. Besides, your example has absolutely nothing to do with the possibility of two equal persons reacting differently to the same circumstances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5378790
You know, we've been in this thread for more than fifty posts now. Someone should warn Byakuren we can see down her skirt.

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5379165
Eh? All my family does. And I think most people in my church do too.

Or at least I think it doesn't contradict anything in the Bible.

[☃nonymous !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5379174
My example has everything to do with two ATOMICALLY identical people reacting the same in two ATOMICALLY identical situations. We are assuming everything is constant here, the people, the situation, the time, etc. I hardly see how they would act differently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379184
Creationists:If you don't believe that everything is individually crafted by the loving hand of God, you will have a society that is filled with people that will step all over eachother.

That's their excuse for evidence that evolution doesn't exist, and they say that people BELIEVE in evolution, and that it isn't a fact. When you try to show them facts, it's not enough information. Ask them for proof of God, they change the subject/ double talk.

[『五角场 ～之～ 无名氏』 No.]

>>5379190
from the ground up, Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379210
Just because you can't measure it, doesn't mean it can't be the same.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys arguing identity theory? In /jp/? Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379219
What seems to be the problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379231
he mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379231
You.

[『五角场 ～之～ 无名氏』 No.]

>>5379216
so your premise is:
two completely identical actors
two completely identical environments
two completely identical set of variables for a specified amount of time
all identical down to spin, and will never differ

then where is the comparison?

[Anonymous No.]

I think therefore I'm a yam.

Cookies/1000 internet/caek/whateve-meme-you-like to the one who recognize the reference.

[Anonymous No.]

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[☃nonymous !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5379259
Perhaps you're mistaken about the argument here. Two Anonymous friends suggested that two identical people in identical situations might react differently to said situations. Obviously that's a bunch of crap. The brain is as rational an object as any other.

[Anonymous No.]

No matter how identical the starting conditions, brains gonna diverge same as everything else.

[☃nonymous !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5379290
This is because situations change and assuming different individuals, the brains don't start the same either. It's not because thought is random and separate from the environment. Thought is just a reaction to outside influences plus the original instincts of the individual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379290
not if the input is identical they won't

[『五角场 ～之～ 无名氏』 No.]

>>5379268
i am one who believe in consciousness as completely biological (and physical) function
so the way i understand the question of
"two identical people in identical situations might react differently to said situations" does not stop at biological level but down to physical level
my answer would be, like i say, "then where is the comparison?"
the two anonymous does not take into account the gravity of the word identical and same
but if they mean "identical" to an extent, then it is quite clear that they will react differently to "same" situation, but this is a misuse

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379312
The argument is "Humans are deterministic" If that were not true, then two identical humans in identical situations would be able to react differently, however, they cannot. Therefore humans are deterministic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379304
Nah. Many-worlds. *flies out of thread*

[☃nonymous !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5379312
I am simply suggesting that we are the result of our genetics and environment. That's all. It's a reasonable statement to make, I think. Thought is not a separate layer of reality. It's just another part of our behavior.

[『五角场 ～之～ 无名氏』 No.]

>>5379336
"Humans are deterministic" has many bias i think.. and this is why it is not best to use that as the core argument.
first, it seem "Humans" do not refer to collective definitions of what make a biological human but rather have a "especially singled out for a reason" or metaphysical notion which I do not to entertain. Or at the very least have a "we are special" sentiment. Might to use "members of animal kingdom are deterministic", but that is bias for brain-having creatures as well.
second, "deterministic" has many interpretation as well
religious determinism, such as a god or gods consciously make the rule before or making you have a determined path?
physical determinism, where we follow and trace every single detail to the best we can (and can't)?
mixture? "god make the laws of nature and determinism"?

From this the phrase alone destroy a lot of common ground for a intelligent debate.
"Humans are deterministic" is loaded statement moe.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread

>also, over 9000 hours of hard work with a pencil

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379358
I thought there were some mysteries about the brain
ie: how neurons really works.
Bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379502

We know how neurons work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379532

we don't know how a mind is formed out of neurons

[Anonymous No.]

>>5379532
fucking neurons, how do they work?

[Scuba Steve No.]

"Philosophic" response: I cannot truely know if anything or anyone is real. I can't even know if my consiousness is real. Obviously something exists even if it's not me.

Real answer: There's no way to know for sure if anything really exists so there's no use worrying about it. Now stop being a pretentious dick, you pretentious dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5378790
Like everything else, trying to provide an accurate answer is impossible. If I'm not real though, then I should be able to modify my reality as I see fit and go to Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

Existence is completely illogical.

[『五角场 ～之～ 无名氏』 No.]

>>5379732
真是太好了 (ﾉД`)