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Anyone else stoked for Episode 7 of Umineko?

I mean, I think it'll be awesome.

Hoping it focuses on the second Battler(as that whole thing includes Rudolf, Kyrie, and Asumu, who need more focus in my opinion) and Piece Beatrice. Bernkastel trolling full force will also be awesome.

>> No.5353432

idk. I don't like Featherine or the trap demons, feels like im reading atlas shrugged whenever they get scenes. an author should show, not tell.

>> No.5353440

So how many of you have spoiled yourself of Umineko with all info from ep6 without having read it yourself?

>> No.5353485

>>5353440
I have spoiled myself about question arcs with anime, so I think I'll be able to live out one more spoiled episode.

>> No.5353640

>>5353440
Guilty. But I think that's not quite my fault, VNs tend to do that, due to the long gap between release and translation. And I read it raw with Atlas, so the experience was still pretty good.

>> No.5353659

Has the cover art been shown yet?

>> No.5353670

>>5353432
>an author should show, not tell.
and still some people didn't get the more than obvious message from the featherine scenes.

>> No.5353679

>>5353659
Yes. The foreground features Battler and Jessica fighting on the moon, which is actually a giant bomb, which is on fire, while Kanon dressed in Shannon and Beatrice's outfit hits George over the head with a comically over-sized mallet. The background features Bernkastel and Featherine having a hot dog eating competition, but instead of hot dogs they are eating fetuses.

>> No.5353681

>>5353670
That's because the average IQ of the Umineko fanbase is about 50.
An author should never lower himself to the lowest common denominator.

>> No.5353692

>>5353440
Guilty as charged. Doesn't feel too bad, even with spoilers there's still plenty of info to dive into.

>>5353417
Out curiosity, why do most readers think a "second" Battler is still alive?

Other than that, I'm just looking forward to some more development and a thorough explanation on how the gameboard works.

>> No.5353704

I can't wait for my theory to be proven right.

>> No.5353723

>>5353692
Many people are convinced that a second Battler exists because Natsuhi killing two people seems rather, well, extreme. Also, her story doesn't quite add up with Rosa's, in addition to the fact that Beatrice seemed to know of the second Battler, meaning that there's a chance that in all likelihood the child yet lives. I follow the theory that sure there's a second Battler, but so what? I don't believe the second Battler is the culprit, by any means.
>>5353681
Do ho ho, aren't we clever now.

>> No.5353724

>Not translated
>Arg I am gonna spoil myself
Why really? Does it enhance the experience in anyway? Don't you want to experience it fully?

For some reason people seem to make this choice.
"So you like the food I prepared?"
"Oh yes I loved it! The best I have ever eaten!"
"Really? Unfortunally that's all I made, I do have some more but it's still raw and probably not that good to eat"
"OMGOMGOMG Can't wait mUsT havE!" *gulps down raw food*

>> No.5353728

Eh. More Shkanontrice stuff I bet, this time with Ryu telling us how mass murder is a-ok and how poor Sayo was raped;_;.

Not too psyched about it, no.

>> No.5353732

>>5353679
imokwiththis.jpg

>> No.5353742

>>5353724
Oh, please don't make a crappy metaphor, it doesn't hold true. This is a mystery series, and thus because we all have various theories about SOMETHING, it's only natural for us to "spoil" ourselves, considering that it takes 6 or more months to recieve a translation(and also because we can't discuss Umineko in the slightest if we wanted to do so in the interval because douchebags and asshats will spoil it for us or act like they know more.)

Heck, the translator of Umineko acts like a total tool because he read episode 6, so if you wanna discuss Umineko, which is half the fun, you gotta be up to date.

>> No.5353743

>>5353417
Not particularly. I think Umineko has become too convoluted. I hope that Ryukishi will manage to wrap things up in a satisfactory way.

>> No.5353752

>>5353724
That's a fundamentally flawed comparison.

It's more like the food is very nearly ready, but you can't wait so you dip your finger into the mash potato and get a taste.

You're still going to enjoy that meal later, but now you know what's what with that mashed potato. Jesus that fucker added a lot of salt. What the fuck.

>> No.5353787

I think EVERYONE can agree with the following:

If Shkanontrice is true, an ending with Shannon and Kanon becoming their own people will feel cheap.

>> No.5353794

I'm stoked for it finally ending

>> No.5353799

>>5353787
Yet I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi (or past any author in fact.)

Anyway it is supposed to be a bittersweet ending

>> No.5353812

>>5353799
Bittersweet should be mostly everyone living, and having Sayo die or at the very least go to prison. I really don't want Ryukushi to try to have her be the mass murderer and have her be a heroic figure at the same time, it just doesn't mesh.

>> No.5353823

>>5353812
By the way, does George dying count as a bittersweet or as an happy ending?

>> No.5353833

>>5353752
Alternatively, it's like eating some cookie dough before you cook the cookies. Though your analogy is better.

>> No.5353842

Would be and will be when eng patch for 6 comes out...

>> No.5353846

>>5353812
> I really don't want Ryukushi to try to have her be the mass murderer and have her be a heroic figure at the same time, it just doesn't mesh.
Works just fine if the mass murderer and the heroic figure are separate personalities, and the mass murderer is the one that dies/is absorbed by the other personality in the end. Sorry, George.

>> No.5353856

I have mixed feelings concerning EP7.

I definitely can't wait for it, but on the other hand, I dread what over the top plot twists Ryukishi will throw in there.

>> No.5353857

>>5353823
You kidding me?

If George dies everyone lives happily ever after, more or less.

Battler and Jessica share the meido.
You know that those two would totally be chill with sharing, but George is the obstacle in the way of a threesome end.

>> No.5353883

>>5353833
>cookie dough
That analogy isn't that bad. By eating the dough less cockies can be made and the final product will be less spectacular.

The only thing that's bad with this analogy is that the dough is actully rather good most of the time.

>> No.5353896

Episode 7:
Things you will see coming: ShKanontrice confirmed.

Things you won't see coming: The entire meta-world actually take place in Sayo's head, yeah even Battler is the product of her mind.

>> No.5353899 [DELETED] 

>>5353416

www.anonmalk.se but with t instead of m in the middle 70574e2b2fd05dafbf9e37b11aa79f7f 69323

>> No.5353918

>>5353896
ep6 was almost saying this in its tea party. which is why, to me, it is bullshit, just as Shkannon.

>> No.5353921

Well, let's make a BULLSHIT PLOT TWIST THAT COULD BE IN THE NEXT UMINEKO EPISODE list right now.

Might Actually Fucking Happen tier:

Battler is Kyrie's child(this one is all but confirmed in my mind)
Jessica is Asumu's child.
Rosa is or was part of Beatrice.
Asumu is Featherine
Juuza is Battler.

Unlikely But Possible tier:

Shannon, Rosa, and Jessica are all Beatrice.
Maria is (part of) Beatrice.
Battler's mother is Natsuhi
Erika is the concept of lying personified.

BRAIN PARASITE tier:

The culprit was Nanjo's grandaughter.
Juuza is Jessica.
Eva is Battler's mother
Everyone is Beatrice

>> No.5353924

>>5353857
Well, I was asking this because of him being a fatass that no one loves, but yes, this is also true.

>> No.5353935

Shkanon was pushed pretty hard in 6, which leads me to believe it's bullshit, or she's just a pawn, since Ryukishi loves his shitty plot twists.

It's a bit anticlimactic to give it all away before the last chapter, although he pretty much did that with Higurashi, so who the fuck knows at this point.

>> No.5353932

>>5353921
>Everyone is Beatrice

THIS.
Everyone commits the murders. All at once.

>> No.5353958
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>>5353921
>>5353932
> Everyone is Beatrice
That, uh... is actually a lot more likely than you might think. One semi-crack theory I've heard is that Meta Beatrice is actually an aggregate representation of all aspects of the Ushiromiya family, which does include the Beatrice created by whoever Battler made a promise to six years before, but also includes everything else.

>> No.5353965

>>5353935
If Shkannon is true, and for me it isn't, She is not the killer.
When Ryukishi talked about the part of " land of the golden witch" he put in ep6, he said that it was not necessary to resolve the mystery in the first place.

So in one case, Shkannon is true, but it doesn't have any utility, it just screw up the red even more, and we will have nothing left as a weapon, in the other case, Shkannon is bullshit. what an interesting thery.

>> No.5353974

>>5353935
He's being pretentious in episode 6, and in interviews he's said YUP THAT'S THE TRUTH. So Shkanontrice is true, like it or not.

I'm fine with it, personally, but if you have everyone on the island NOT NOTICE that Shannon and Kanon was the same person I'll be annoyed.

Seriously, in episode two Battler got trolled by Beatrice because she said WELL I GUESS THAT MEANS TONS OF PEOPLE ARE IN ON IT, and yet at the same time we're supposed to accept that only Shkanon and the three winged servants know that the DID meido is one and the same?

I... don't quite know how to feel about that.

>> No.5353977

>>5353935
>although he pretty much did that with Higurashi

Actually, Minagoroshi spends most of its time trying to convince the player of Takano's innocence, as obvious a culprit as she is. Unless you're referring to the brain disease thing, which, yeah, was given away pretty early.

>>5353812

Given Ryu07's stance on murder in Higurashi, I doubt the culprit in Umineko is really that redeemable.

>> No.5353984

>>5353935
he doesn't want umineko to work like higurashi, so...
>>5353958
Even if I'm okay with you, I don't see any link with your screenshot. I must be tired.

>> No.5353987

>>5353965
Jessica's closed room in episode two can only be reliably solved using Shkanontrice. Ryukushi himself said once you get what he was going for in episode 6, you'll be able to solve all the locked rooms with ease.

>> No.5353988

>>5353958
The thing that sticks out to me is that just about everyone can be given a reason to kill someone else, but nobody has a reason to kill everybody as far as we know.

Seems likely that there are several murderers being tricked into doing what they do by a mastermind. Once the murders start people who once wouldn't dream of harming certain family members may be tricked into it through grief, fear and a lust for revenge.

The key is finding the person that would want everyone else dead.

>> No.5353990

>>5353977
And the brain disease is bullshit in the end, by hte way

>> No.5353993

>>5353974
>and in interviews he's said YUP THAT'S THE TRUTH

He has never once said that. That's your interpretation of what he said.

Furthermore, he's outright lied in interviews before.

>> No.5354003

What closed rooms or impossible murders are problematic?
Let's try to solve them using ShKanontrice.

>> No.5354016

>>5353977
But here we reach an interesting contradiction. Beatrice had been made to look like a scapegoat the whole time, but indeed, "Beatrice" is the culprit.

So, we have problem.

>> No.5354018

>>5353993
ERIKA SURE IS A DECENT LITTLE GIRL.

SHE'S JUST MISUNDERSTOOD.

>> No.5354012

>>5353987

It can also be solved with Jessica not being dead and throwing Kanon out the window. It can even be solved with Shannon, Genji, or Rosa murdering them both and throwing Kanon out the window.

>>5353990

Brain PARASITES are, Brain DISEASE is not.

>> No.5354015 [DELETED] 

>>5353987
And Shkannon doesn't solve every closed room.
"this "only" only shos that you just don't think anymore right now.
I was quoting Ryukishi here, the fact that " this content was never needed to solve the mystery" is from a recent interview (between ep5 and ep6 I think, I will have to check).
In any case, he is supposed to know the answer better than you, no matter what you say with this closed room.

>> No.5354019

>>5353921

Erika is the witch of truth, she can't be the personification of a lie.

If anything she's the personification of the intent to solve the mysteries of Rokkenjima.

And everyone is Beatrice isn't shit tier theory at all. It's actually very likely. We know since EP1 that Beato isn't a person.

>> No.5354021

>>5353987
And Shkannon doesn't solve every closed room.
"this "only" only shows that you just don't think anymore right now.
I was quoting Ryukishi here, the fact that " this content was never needed to solve the mystery" is from a recent interview (between ep5 and ep6 I think, I will have to check).
In any case, he is supposed to know the answer better than you, no matter what you say with this closed room.

>> No.5354026

>>5354016

Well, Ep6 basically confirms that there's more than one person pretending to be Beatrice.

>>5354018

Yeah, that's what I mean.

>> No.5354030

>>5354012
>>this content was never needed to solve the mystery
He said that about the content from Land of the golden Witch, that isn't necessarily ShKanon.
Also he said that the way to solve Battler's closed room of episode 6 is the key to solve most closed rooms, and the answer of that closed room is most certainly ShKanon.

>> No.5354038

>>5354030

How can Shkanon solve most of the closed rooms? Please, explain.

>> No.5354036

>>5354012
Hu yes sorry, I misunderstood it, yes, only the parasites are bullshit. Anyway, Higurashi insists about parasites a lot more than on a mere disease, if I remember correctly.

>> No.5354035

>>5354026
>>Well, Ep6 basically confirms that there's more than one person pretending to be Beatrice.
Not really, actually not at all.

>> No.5354041

>>5354018

The thing is Erika we see isn't the real Erika. Real Erika drowned. What we see is just a personification of something.

>> No.5354049

>>5354035
There is two Beatrice, so unless you go on the " yes, but it is the old Shannon and the new one", which would be completely random and without any proof, actually at least two beatrice is far more credible.

>> No.5354050

>>5354035

If you take the Beatrice the Younger and Beatrice the Elder thing literally, yes it does. Furthermore, remember the two Beatrices in Ep4?

>> No.5354055

>>5354019
Wrong. We know that she isn't "one single person".

>> No.5354060

>>5354041
Detective or anything. Anyway her monologue in the end of ep6 is really interesting.

>> No.5354065

>>5354038
Persona switching bullshit, which is just as bad as the insulin induced coma excuse for Jessitrice, which is just as bad as Erika not really existing in the games.

It's a circle of fucking stupid.

>> No.5354079

>>5354019
Well, with "Beatrice is the Ushiromiya family", you get a clear answer on the E3 which can be solved in many different ways. She(Natsuhi) protected Jessica from Evatrice, which is the Sumadera family.

>> No.5354084

>>5354041
Stop pushing this shit theory.
Real Erika may have drowed but in episode 5 and 6, that are FICTIONS to begin with, she is there.
Think of her as an actor, in the real event she wasn't there but in these particular renditions she was there.
That's the whole Schrödinger's cat paradox that is pushed so fucking much in Umineko, nobody really know what happened on the island so the people who know the truth (aka the gamemaster) can make the the most out of there stories adding characters and events as they like, only things they have to do is being consistent with what really happened.

>> No.5354094

>>5354050
>>If you take the Beatrice the Younger and Beatrice the Elder thing literally
>>literally
Yeah, and that would be fucking stupid to do so.

>> No.5354093

>>5354055

And how does that change the fact she may pretty much represent everybody on the island with killing intent?

>> No.5354089

>>5354065
>>Persona switching bullshit
At least this one actually got some backing from the games themselves though.

>> No.5354092

>>5354030
If it is not Shkannon, say what it is supposed tobe.
Land of the golden witch is one of the "greater" arguments of the Shkannonfags, because they don't see anything else in ep 5-6.

And also, explain. By the way, even Shkannon is still quite a mess because we don't know how personality are supposed to die, even in umineko. No, not during the trial of love. Kanon survive even when he lose.

>> No.5354105

>>5354084
I could be okay with you, but if she doesn't represent someone else how is she supposed to kill people?

>> No.5354113

>>5354092
>>If it is not Shkannon, say what it is supposed tobe.
It was probably an episode about the truth of the meta-world and how the episodes are made.
That's why it's called "land".
Probably had to do with the unreliable narrator and how he works, aka the biggest thing about episode 5.
R07 probably realized that an episode about this would reveal the truth too easily.

>> No.5354119

>>5354105
Because she is there during episode 5 and 6.
She kills people herself, how difficult is this to understand?

>> No.5354123

>>5354094
if you stretch everything this way, everything could be true. Here, you are just ignoring the complete character profiles.
"It is a problem, let's ignore it".
If Shkannon is true, wasn't ep 6 supposed to be only confessions?

>> No.5354124

>>5354084

She is there in the fictional interpretation of what really happened. EP5 and 6 don't have a reliable observer, everything we see may be bullshit. But still it's bullshit with meaning. She is there for a reason.

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>> No.5354132

>>5354119
And it is supposed to help us to solve the mystery. With a non-existent character?

>> No.5354138

>>5354123
In this episode, ShKanontrice was pretty much revealed through symbolism and metaphores, it's not like it was stated clearly.
It's the same case with the elder and younger Beatrice, you have to see the symbolism at work.

>> No.5354149 [DELETED] 

>>5353414
www.anonmalk.se but with t instead of m in the middle 86cfc7a7a6dff37ee46aac67a3c93fef 11007

>> No.5354148

>>5354119

You don't get it. If she is the inner persona of somebody that means her killing people represent that other person killing people.

>> No.5354154

>>5354105
If she is "a lie": People played dead with cover of someone who lied and actually killed them when they've been still.
If she is a "the detective process", the person trying to find the truth of E6 kills them(because he was supposed to be the killer but suddenly it seems like someone else did it and she wants to make sure).

>> No.5354147

>>5354138
Symbolism?
Even someone completely dumb would have noticed it. Go on and read Zepar and furfur's trial, and what they say to Shannon and Kanon.

>> No.5354176 [DELETED] 

>>5354154
Yes yes I agree on this, but I was talking about Erika being the "schroedinger's cat", not existing, but being just here because Bernkastel can introduce a hundrer of new characters if she wants to.

>> No.5354181

>>5354154
Yes yes I agree on this, but I was talking about Erika being the "schroedinger's cat", not existing, but being here just because Bernkastel can introduce a hundred of new characters if she wants to.

>> No.5354188

Basically think of it this way.
Umineko is a game between Battler, Beatrice, Bernkastel and Lambdadelta about an event that happened in the past.
Only Beatrice and Lambda know what happened, Battler and Bern try to find the truth.

Bern who really want to win see a loophole in this game, she sees that she can introduce a new character.
And she does so, to shake thing off.

Erika who is a new character doesn't have a set personality, her real self was just a poor girl who drowned near the island, so Bern was able to create her perfect Mary Sue, a characters with lots of bullshit powers (perfect memories, can stay awake for a long time, etc...).

Basically creating this new character helped her putting pressure on the gamemaster, since Beatrice was forced to spin her new story using Erika, this Mary Sue, of course with such a thing she would make mistakes, and she did.

That's why Erika was created for episode 5 and 6, she was really there in the fictions that are these episodes.

>> No.5354381

We have absolutely no confirmation that the gameboards are fiction other than the bullshit Featherine says, and she's as evil as Bern.

Why do you people always stop thinking so easily?

>> No.5354444

>>5354381
Because whether they are just fictions made up where we just have to distill NON-fake info, or actual realities where events play differently and we see them through 'unreliable glasses', the setting and narrative have gone to hell regardless.

>> No.5354445

>>5354381
You are the one not thinking.
The fiction theory has been hinted since the first fucking game, heavily at that.

>> No.5354446

>>5354381
> We have absolutely no confirmation that the gameboards are fiction other than the bullshit Featherine says
Dude. Anything on the gameboards that isn't directly observed by the detective doesn't actually happen, per se. It's in a potential state of happening. Only when the detective views something him/herself or the GM states it in red (and probably gold) is the truth determined. Do note, however, that whatever the possibilities for it are, they can't be magic. And because of both the red and blue text, the GM _must_ come up with as many ways to commit the crimes via human means as the detective does, plus one, to win. The GM must strike down all the detective's theories, but still have a method that could be performed by human means. If the GM cannot come up with such a method, a logic error is formed.

tl;dr: Being GM is pretty damn hard.

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>>5354113
We learned about unreliable narrator in the end of 5, try again.

>> No.5357353

>this thread
Shkannonfag-troll trying to start yet another shitstorm. Finally succeeding.

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