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5200858 No.5200858 [Reply] [Original]

jayypeee needs to play some more stgs

>> No.5200866

Dude how the fuck are we supposed to get to play Ketsui.

>> No.5200872

>>5200866
Import a jap 360 or JTAG one perhaps get the PCB?

>> No.5200884
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I would if they ever figured out how to take skynet off of the seibu PCBs

>> No.5200890

But STGs with ships is boring.

>> No.5200901

>>5200890
>ships
>a sprite making the game boring

Really now? Really

>> No.5200903
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>>5200890
How about...

...how about we put the lolis...

...IN THE SHIPS.

>> No.5200905

>>5200890
its true, they need loli's or characters to be interesting.

After releasing greats like futari and espgaluda II, ketsui just seems so boring

>> No.5200908

>>5200901
Not just one sprite, but it affects the whole atmosphere of the game. I'm not saying there has to be cute little girls, but at some characters that make it memorable.

>> No.5200910
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>>5200903
already done

>> No.5200915

>>5200908
Ketsui has character you buffon.

>>5200905
>its true, they need loli's or characters to be interesting.

....

>> No.5200919

>>5200905

That really is a very stupid way of looking at it.

>> No.5200921

>>5200915
>characters

>> No.5200931
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Guys, I fixed Ketsui, you can play it now.

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>>5200908
Are you kidding? A great shmup ship is every bit as memorable as a Touhou character.

>> No.5200939

Don't listen to these idiots OP not all of /jp/ is like this.

This about chrs making atmosphere aload of bullshit its a freaking shooter you dont even have any interaction with them whatsoever it might aswell be flying dicks for all I care, also arcade games story oh wow, you give a fuck about chrs and plot? Go play Giga Wing and fuck off.

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>>5200932
Oh my what a glorious cockpit

>> No.5200950

I will, if I have finished some task at Touhou, then I'll back at Dodonpachi. Can't import a J360, poorfag here.

>> No.5200970

>>5200939
>implying the artistic style has absolutely no merit on whether a game is entertaining
>implying ever arcade game out there doesn't have a story of some sort

These aspects are certainly secondary but the overall presentation of the final package is what makes it so well. Even your precious Giga Wing, moreso than any of these other Cave games has a really obtrusive story
(its a fun game but certainly not the best, even compared to other Takumi shooters).

>> No.5200971

>>5200939

You better not be implying that Giga Wing is anything but awesome.

>> No.5201024

>>5200970
Sure artstyle is important but I dont really see why replacing ships with lolis make the game anybetter I for one dont give a fuck what I am but dont give me that crap that because its a ship its somehow bad.


>>implying ever arcade game out there doesn't have a story of some sort

Sure it does but its so irrelevant, everyone seems to want some kind of cutscenes or pointless crap to be honest I find the ending sequence of DoDonpachi with the commander more memorable than any shooter that holds "story" high.

>> No.5201043

>>5200950
There is always MAME and all shooters by TAKUMI,8ing,CAVE

>> No.5201046

>>5201043
>>5201043
And good old Psikyo.

>> No.5201075

>>5201024
I don't think any one shooter compared to others hold the story higher, its just something at the end to (usually poorly) explain why you're blasting a million aliens. I've played a lot of shmups and seems like the only ones with 'cutscenes' are just dialogs like in touhou or Gigawing, thankfully all skippable.

Also you're on /jp/; do you really need to ask why loli's are better?

>> No.5201086

>>5201043
Uh, didn't say I have played Dodonpachi before?

Oh and don't forget PS2 and its broad range of STGs, such as, Ibara, Tengai, GG, etc

>> No.5201088

seeing this thread makes we want to stream some shmups again; unfortunately all i'd want to stream is the x360 ones, and I don't have the hardware for it ;_;

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Touhou XIII's next playable character?

>> No.5201099

>>5201075
>Also you're on /jp/; do you really need to ask why loli's are better?


In games like Ketsui,Battle Garegga,DoDonPachi I cannot imagine lolis that would just make the games seem ridiculous.

Also we can both atleast agree that people that say a certain game is bad because it has lolis or ships can go fuck himself.

>> No.5201109

>>5201086
>Dodonpachi
Yes and DoDonPachi is the only thing cave produced amirite?

>> No.5201122

>>5201109
No, but you already know them anyways. Can't take more than 1 game at a time, its too hard to focus otherwise.

>> No.5201127

>>5201122
Its better to play many games at the same time you boss your overall reflexes which will make any games easier in the future.

>> No.5201129

>>5201099
Oh come on, Evaccania DOOM would make a great loli. It already has a feminine name and colorful wings.

>> No.5201138

>>5200890
Japanese ZUN loves STGs with ships though.

One of the reasons MoF was awesome was because Marisa A played like a Gradius.

>> No.5201143

>>5201127
Micromemorizing, and 5 day save-stating and 1 day full run works better. Reflex does little to nothing before the mighty memory.

>> No.5201148

>>5201143
Thats the wrong and boring way to play stg's imo its always been

1st reflexes
2nd memorisation.

Obviously not talking about chaining in DDP.

>> No.5201151

>>5201099
yeah you should see the shmups forums. It's like the opposite of here, some people disregard some of the newer shmups just because of the loli trend.

I think those games you listed, as srs bnzs style as they are, could've had lolis in them and not be weird if done tastefully. DDP DOJ seemed weird to me at first choosing the shot type, but it grew on me the more I played it.

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>>5201129
It would not really fit the style of the game...

>> No.5201159

STGs need to abandon 2D and 3D to bow before the power of the almighty Voxel.

>> No.5201163

>>5201152
Those are words of a madman. Clearly young girls being bleeding-edge war machinery makes complete sense.

>> No.5201169

>>5201151
>DDP DOJ
in DoJ they are the copilots and you are the pilot if I remember correctly.


>, could've had lolis in them
If you knew whatBattle Garegga was about you would disagree.

Same with DDP you are the pilot not some other chr thats why they never even show the any portrait form the front of piltos.

>> No.5201170

>>5201143
I've tried practicing like that and ended up hating the game a lot more afterwards.

>> No.5201176

>>5201169
>pilots

>> No.5201177

>>5201148
Not dying and scoring makes the difference between "fun" and "frustrating", and that comes from practice same part over and over again. But the concept of fun itself is subjective so I may wrong.

But I do love games with very little or no memorization at all too, such as Parsec47 or QB or Chorensha.

>> No.5201185

>>5201169
>Same with DDP you are the pilot not some other chr thats why they never even show the any portrait form the front of piltos.

Have you beaten/credit-fed through the 2nd loop and seen the true ending? Your cool-dude pilot is revealed to you

>> No.5201202

>>5201185
There is no clear "face" just some pilot dude in a suit and thats it he has no "chr" or personality because he is supposed to you.

>> No.5201213

>>5201185
The Commander is more badass than the bland pilot could ever be.

>> No.5201215

A well designed ship > lolis

>> No.5201231

My opinions > yours

>> No.5201236

>>5201185
I can't even get to the second loop. I really suck.

>> No.5201238

I see loli everywhere in this thread, but few touhou main characters can actually classify as loli. Girls would be a more appropriate term.

>> No.5201245

>>5201238
Every time I see the ship bashing its always lolis are superior even though pretty much every character shooter has atleast 1-2 male chrs to choose from.

>> No.5201261

shmups are boring, why don't guys play real games like VN's

>> No.5201267

>>5201261
It's funny how /jp/ is so focused on these two, essentially opposite styles of games.

>> No.5201278

>>5201267
Both have lolis.

>> No.5201289

>>5201238
Everyone thinks Touhou is only lolis, there's no changing that belief.

>> No.5201293

>>5201289
Almost everyone.

>> No.5201424

>>5201289
It's because of all of the people who only get to the second boss before giving up, maybe.

>> No.5201433

>>5201267
Well, they're borderline irrelevant genres which haven't seen any fundamental system changes since at least ten years ago. Furthermore, only the hardest of the hardcore otaku play them anymore, and they pay shit tons of money for the privilege. Also, fans of both genres are often completely unbearable tools (read /jp/ or the shmups forums for reference material on this subject). More in common than you'd think!

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>> No.5201456

but I've played through Tyrian 2000 at least six times already

>> No.5201475

Oh hey a shmup thread. I just got done dying in Futari. I should be sticking to my Saturn pad, but you know, gotta get some stick practice in somehow.

I've been neglecting the Ketsui port. I feel bad. But still, Ketsui's X-mode is so good that I have little reason to ever play regular Ketsui ever again. Does anyone else feel the same?

>> No.5201487

I've been playing Castle of Shikigami III and laughing at the translation for the past two days.

>> No.5201497

>>5201475
I like the original mode more than the X Mode.
X mode is very well done tough, blows crap like futari's arrange mode out of the water.

>> No.5201505

>>5201497

Futari's arrange feels odd, I didn't really play it all that much. I played Galuda II's arrange a bit more but I peaced the fuck out once I realized a proper run takes an hour and a half, mostly consisting of boss milking.

>> No.5201507

>>5201487
I love the English dub in the second one. Played it again a few hours ago.

"I like girls. But now, it's about justice."

>> No.5201523

>>5201507

"Slaves for fashion dislike bulges."

>> No.5201532

>>5201505
Go download a 99x99 replay.
Then set your own game to rank 99x99.

It's pretty hilarious to play, and actually easier than 0x0, because you get at least 20 extends.
Black Label mode seems better, but I can't figure it out and I dislike the bullet pushing gimmick.

>> No.5201663

>>5201532

I did download a few replays but I'm just not a fan of spending 45 minutes boss milking. I also can't stand Garegga or any of Yagawa's games, because they revolve around it.

>> No.5201738

>Arguably the best STG Cave have ever made
>I don't like it, there's not enough loli's

Though it was voted "the best" mainly by people who had never actually played it based on a stupidly expensive PCB and tonnes of hype (by people owning said PCB). I've got a feeling now it's actually out a few people are disappointed. The STG-parts are awesome: patterns, game flow, score system, etc. But you can't escape that the stages, enemies and music are all forgettable.

>> No.5201939

Boss milking?
Here I thought Ketsui was supposed one of the best shmups ever and then you tell me you're supposed to milk bosses for over half an hour.
What the fuck Cave?

>> No.5202011

>>5201939
Some CAVE shmups almost play like JRPGs.

>> No.5202162

>>5201939
He was referring to Espgaluda 2 Arrange mode.

Ketsui has almost no boss milking at all, just a few destroyable parts per boss phase.

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deban wa yo ne?

>> No.5205344

>>5201738
>music are all forgettable.
>Darkened, Stage 4,5 music not awesome

Rot in hell you demon.

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>267792

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>987393

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>439974

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>894488

>> No.5205374

>>5201738
> stages
Dont see whats bad about the stage you are fighting a arms dealer anyway what do you expect?
>enemies
same there arms dealer

>> No.5205399

>spammers

fucking shit

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>245310

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>499829

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>751475

>> No.5205426

Ketsui is fine but it's no Daifukkatsu.

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>477011

>> No.5205479

>>5205426
Daifukkatsu looks great, but I think Ketsui is more fun to play for score.
I just don't like chaining.

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>941110

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>844768

>> No.5205498

Chaining in DFK vanilla is not that hard.

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>184895

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>185310

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>293805

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>566373

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>817310

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>583485

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>161916

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>959686

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>421752

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>745421

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Gotta love that rank system

>> No.5207108
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Approach your target and attack

Your mission starts now
'
Are you ready?

>> No.5207140
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1st stage underwater level

Batsugun knows how to begin.

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SPECIAL POWERRR UPPP

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>ケツ
ヘヘッヘッヘヘッヘヘっへっへ

>> No.5207172

>>5205870
Impossible to get all items...

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>>5207142
Speaking of Raizing, Brave Blade is one of their games pretty noone knows about fantastic overlooked title.

>> No.5207175

>>5205870
>ARE YOU GREAT?

You can bet your ass I am.

>> No.5207176

I like Strikers 1942, on the PSX

>> No.5207179

>>5207176
You mean 1945.

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What a horrible soundtrack but somehow it fits the game perfectly.

>> No.5207192

>>5207176

G O
E U
T T

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>>5200941
Fuck you, it IS a glorious cockpit.

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>> No.5207208

Remember guys always play the Japanese MAME roms the US/EU ones run 90% of the time on a lower default difficulty.

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>992626

>> No.5207329
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The heat is burning inside of my soul!!!

FEVERRRR

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>> No.5210341

Bump

>> No.5210405

I enjoy shmups, but I will never understand the people who play them to death for score. Don't you get fucking bored having to memorise all that shit? Just beat the fucking game then discard it for a new one, it's not like there's a lack of them.

>> No.5210412

I kinda want to play Mamonoro again.

>> No.5212786

>>5210405
>I enjoy shmups, but I will never understand the people who play them to death for score

Maybe because they enjoy it you ignorant asshole

>> No.5212886

lately i've been playing the shit out of Futari 1.5 and Black Label

rumor: Raiden Fighters Aces on it's way to Europe

>> No.5213768

>>5210405
Why would you want to discard a fun game for a different one?
It's just that the goal shifts from a 1cc to getting a respectable score as you get better.

>> No.5213792

>>5210405
Competition maybe? High score boards are there for a reason.

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