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found this on tvtropes:
>In addition, Aozaki Touko's goal contradicts with the existence of the True Ancestor Arcueid, also from Tsukihime.

um, what does this mean, and why is it a problem for reconciling KnK and Tsukihime?

>> No.5169433

Protip: don't read the tvtropes article about any subject with which you are more than passingly familiar.
You _will_ get frustrated.

>> No.5169443

Aozaki Touko's ultimate goal in life was discovering what humans were like when they were still a part of nature or something like that.

Seeing as how that's exactly what Arcueid is, if Arcueid existed in the same world as Touko, and everyone who's anyone knows what a True Ancestor is, then that would make Touko's life goal really, really stupid.

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5169452

>he takes nasuniverse seriously

>> No.5169463

>>5169443
Arcueid is an incarnation of the most powerful creature on the Moon, not what humans were like when they were still a part of nature or something like that.

>> No.5169465

>>5169452
Nasuniverse?

>> No.5169521

There are a lot of differences between the KnK universe and the Tsukihime universe. For example, vampires and DAA are not mentioned on the KnK universe because they probably don't exist, the Burial Agency most likely doesn't exist either. Since True Ancestors and Dead Apostole Ancestors don't exist that can only mean that Crimson Moon never came to Earth. The 27 Ancestors group was never created, the only vampires that might exist are the ones who became vampires through magical research(like Ortenrosse).

There can only be one MEoDP user in the world(I heard someone saying this before, but I don't know if its true) so it might cause a contradicion if T. Shiki and R. Shiki were to met. There is also Touko, there is no doubt she exists on the Tsukihime universe, but Arcueid said it might cause another contradiction if they were to met. In the KnK universe Touko is searching for the original model of humans, and Arcueid apparently has be the original model of a human, but Arcueid might have the original human body from Gaia's perspective, so it might be that she has the perfect body of a human and not the original body of a human. You see, Gaia created the True Ancestors from its own perspective about the most beautiful a human can be, since Gaia loves beauty even more than life itself, so if Arcueid were to exist on the KnK universe it will cause a contradiction because on the KnK universe the original human is different since True Ancestors were never created. There is a great connection between the original human and the root, but True Ancestors don't have that connection, Arcueid is the Archetype of Gaia/Earth, that much is certain, so aparently R. Shiki is the one with the best connection between humanity and the root, whic is why R. Shiki is the Archetype of Alaya, she is Arcueid's counterpart.

>> No.5169530

>>5169521
So then what was actress again about?

>> No.5169539
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>>5169530
>He thinks Meltan is canon!

>> No.5169556

What universe is more canon, Tsukihime or KnK?

>> No.5169568

>>5169556
fate/extra

>> No.5169570

>>5169556
Fate/Stay Night

>> No.5169587

>>5169530
In MBAA, Alaya realized that even though Gaia and Alaya are working together now, it makes no sense since they are going to end up fighting in the end, so they decided to end everything right there. Both sides chose their most powerful warrior, Gaia chose Arcueid and gave her back her true form and capabilities while Alaya chose Shiki.

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>>5169521
wow, that was.....waaaay more than I ever really needed. Thanks though, I think.

>> No.5169597

>>5169556
Saya no Uta

>> No.5169592

>>5169539
Melty Blood is as canon as Fate Zero

>> No.5169616

If there was anything I kinda noticed as being "Off" about Knk from the rest, it was the depiction of Magi. In KnK, magi are portrayed as a bunch of shut-ins who toil away in workshops far away from everyone else, doing experiments and trying to find out knowledge about the universe or some shit.

In Fate, Magi, are, like, normal people, who do magic. That's it.

>> No.5169657

>>5169616

Hmm. I hadn't noticed that. Your interpretation does not sound wrong.

Tsukihime and Fate are guaranteed to be part of the same universe (or perhaps it's another one of Zelretch's universe jumps)

Touko has one implied mention in Heaven's Feel true end.

N. Shiki can exist in Rakkyo.

>> No.5169666

>>5169587

Where this Alaya and Gaia shit came from?
I'm playing Tsukihime and there is no trace of it.

>> No.5169681

>>5169666
I think some gaia shit comes up in the Arc/Ciel routes

and I also think Alaya gets a mention in Roa's short story in Kagetsu Tohya

>> No.5169682

>>5169666
Side Materials

>> No.5169696

>>5169681

I haven't done Ciel yet, but there is no mention of it in Arc.

>> No.5169716

>>5169616
There are mainly two kind of Magi, there are the ones who are like regular people like you described and there are ones who are shut ins as you said.
The shut ins are mostly that way because they are being hunted by the magic association for some reason or another, they are called hermits I think. In Touko's case it is because she is considered a living relic of such for what she has managed to do and so they want to preserve and study her. In other cases it is usually because they have broken the rules of the association and do whatever it takes to further their research.

Well that's what I read somewhere anyway, basically in KnK most of the magi there are "on the run" while in Fate their more or less legitimate members.

>> No.5169730

>>5169666
KnK, the epilogue in Kagetsu Tohya, Ciel's route. Among others, but Alaya is mostly mentioned in KnK.

>> No.5169732

>>5169666
Gaia is the collective will of all life on earth, Alaya is the collective will of humans.

>> No.5169750

Alaya can kill Gaia discuss

>> No.5169760

>>5169750
Shouldn't Gaia in part also contain the will of humanity as well? Wouldn't that mean that Gaia could never truly get rid of Alaya?

>> No.5169771

>>5169750
The Archetype of Alaya is weaker than the Archetype of Gaia, so Alaya's chances are low, but not nonexistent.

>> No.5169788

>>5169771
I'm not sure if I would consider an assassin "weaker" then a warrior or something, more like a bad match up, but that does sound about right.

>> No.5169803

>>5169760
Gaia hates humans because it knows they might be able to outlive it. Gaia doesn't want humans to live after its death. According to Notes humans can survive without Gaia, so Gaia can live perfectly fine without humanity.

>> No.5169819
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BITCHES
AND
WHORES

UNTIL I'M THE GUARDIAN.
EVERYTHING WOULD BE ALL RIGHT WITH THE WORLD.

>> No.5169821

>>5169803
If Gaia is the collective will of all living things on earth, then are you suggesting that humans could exist as the only living things on earth?

>> No.5169832
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HELL YEAH.

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NOT AFRAID OF ANYTHING.

>> No.5169845

>>5169732
You're right about Alaya, but Gaia is not the collective will of the life on Earth. Gaia is more of a sort of system. It's main goal is to preserve "order," or a set of common laws. Things that violate these laws will be crushed (Reality Marbles, for example).

>>5169803
Gaia doesn't hate humans at all. Quite the opposite, actually. Even though Gaia was eventually killed by humans in Notes, Gaia was fine with it.

However, Gaia didn't like that humans were able to live on after its death through the use of technology. That's why Gaia summoned the other Aristotles.

>> No.5169848

>>5169840
Rider cosplaying Rin?

>> No.5169849

Go back to g/a/ia, guys.
Oh wait...

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>>5169819
>>5169832
>>5169840

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>>5169867

>> No.5169908

>>5169845
Gaia called the Aristotles so they could wipe out all the remaining life on Earth, that obviously applies to humans, Liners and A-Rays. But Crimson Moon is the Type who orchestrated everything, since his and his children main objective is to return to world to its original state, he doesn't give a fuck about humans, in fact, he wants a perfect world without humans. Primate Murder was specifically created to kill humans, it surpasses even all the evil in the world in terms of human genocide.

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Why is Gaia so mean in Type Nasu stuff? Why can't she be fucking awesome like in Greek Mythology, hanging out with Jimi Hendrix.

>> No.5170180

>>5169521
KNK and Tsukihime are like Kuuga and Agito. Sure both universes share some ideas and common designs, but they are generally separate worlds. Is that really so damn hard (or play BMW)

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>>5170180
>BMW

>> No.5170216

>>5169587
>while Alaya chose Shiki.
So I guess this puts an end to the "shiki can beat shirou" discussions?

>> No.5170232

>>5170216
T.Shiki effortlessly killed a spell cast by Roa in the manga, so manga Shiki could do it easily.

>> No.5170240

>>5170180

Nope, you people are just too stupid to understand the links.

F/SN also makes no references to vampires and all that junk from Tsukihime for the SAME REASON Tsukihime does not reference Servants and the Holy Grail, they do NOT take a role and so mention of the would serve NO POINT besides fan wank.

And this is what is about ... fan wank.

>> No.5172296

>>5170240
In FHA, Luvia and Shirou were examining one of Van-Fem's ships, so vampires definitely exist on the Fate universe. In fact, it is quite possible that Tsukihime 2 is linked with that Fate timeline.

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>>5172296
Fascinating.

>> No.5172311

>>5172296
That doesn't happen in F/ha, it happens in an alternate timeline.

>> No.5172329

>>5172296
Your brain is full of fuck. Not to mention that the whole of F/HA doesnt actually happen in the reality that is Fateverse.

>> No.5174163

>>5172329

Hollow/Ataraxia is a a big "what if" but the history of the world is legit.

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