Good vs. Bad VNs

[Anonymous No.]

A good VN has a story or other quality of itself (ie, not the fandom) that transcends the sum of it's individual parts. For example, a game like Planetarian may be short with no H scenes with no brilliant twists, but it's such a masterpiece of mood, atmosphere, and emotional manipulation that it is able to go beyond the sum of it's parts and achieve greatness. Not all good VNs need to be masterpieces; there are some which are strong in most of the key elements of a VN (story, heroines, music, H, etc) are memorable as quality experiences.

However, games which do not have any transcending quality of greatness or even a net sum of quality cannot be considered "good" VNs. For example, FSN: poor art, convoluted story that is at the same time boring, very poor H, overall a large disapointment in all major areas -- the only area that it stands above the rest in, however, is the fact that it enjoys an association with a powerful celebrity in Japanese VN gamer's world, which was exported to the West via the online fandom here; in reality, no one likes the game per se, but they like fitting in with the "cool" crowd, and eventually it became a cultural underpinning on /jp/. This makes it popular, but it still cannot be called "good".

Please review this image for a guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143558
Sure man, whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

Just trollin'

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Why did you check the Disney eroges?

[Anonymous No.]

This is a really cool troll thread you got here.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder why Clannad is crossed considering it was written by the same person who wrote Planetarian.

[Anonymous No.]

>This thread

[Anonymous No.]

That's a whole lot of bullshit you just typed. I'll make things simple:
Good VNs: Ones I like
Bad VNs: Ones I don't like

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143567
OP stop trolling yourself so hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143590
> sage
U mad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143602
>bump
U mad cause I sage ur tread lol
donchy be tryna hide it

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143602

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143602
go back to /va/

[Anonymous No.]

>H as a memorable thing in a VN

oh wow

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143558
>it's individual parts
its individual parts
>with no H scenes with no brilliant twists
Awkward. Do you mean there are no H scenes that have brilliant twists?
>it's parts
its parts
>masterpieces;
masterpieces:
>there are some which are strong... are memorable
run-on

>net sum of quality
explain
>For example, FSN: ... overall a large disapointment in all major areas -- ... , however, ... , which was... ; in reality, ... , but ... , and
Holy run-on clusterfuck. Also, you misspelled "disappointment."

>a powerful celebrity in Japanese VN gamer's world
who?

See me after class.

[Anonymous No.]

Sagesagesage
boy would I love a picture of the tears running down your face now, OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143626
You may believe it's a ridiculous thing to want to enjoy in an erotic game, but beleive me, not all of them are laughably bad -- just the ones /jp/ talks about all the time.

A major problem in VNs is that the sex scenes are often completely meanigless. Sleeping with a girl has no story implications, and often feels tacked on for the eroge crowd. We can think of these games, essentially, as dating sims with eroge conversions.

[Anonymous No.]

To find a good VN, consider what you are looking for in a VN, read reviews and skim through databases in order to find what you might like, rather than expecting to be spoon fed.
Also
[ ] English VN
[ ] Good VN
Choose one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143630
10/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143558
You crossed fsn, tsukihime and ymk, but you checked umineko, snu and c;h.
I just believe you either have been too affected by the fans, or simply projected your personal tastes onto your graph. That, or you are simply trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

I approve of this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

why would you post this two days in a row? go back to /a/

[Anonymous No.]

tl;dr

[Anonymous No.]

>True Remembrance is crossed

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143672

Tsukihime amd FS/N are X'd off due to them being God-awful. Umineko is checked because it has achieved greatness; music, characters, and the story, while sometimes bizarre, has given us amazingly entertaining scenes, at least one scene per chapter. C;H, while not great, is still a good -- a solid comicbook type experience that manages to explore a few cool concepts and do it with solid production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143719
>Umineko is checked because it has achieved greatness
Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

O am suspicious because you seem to like all the horror VN, maybe you are just some grimdark goth kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143719
You know those novels are alike.

[Anonymous No.]

Goddamn it OP.
Was this thread necessary?
GTFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143765
Yes it was. At least, as long as there are people on /jp/ that ACTUALLY CARE about not wasting their time on shit as opposed to cruising the cultural highlights in order to "fit in".

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, THIS thread again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143719
>Umineko is checked because it has achieved greatness
Please try to keep at least a hint of subtlety in your trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143781
You think Umineko is great, there is no point in stating your shitty opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143765
Better than "those" Touhou threads by far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143781
Shouldn't they just try reading shit themselves and decide according to their own tastes?
What one determines as quality experience is different than you.
Get the stick out of your ass and stop giving vague remarks like 'this has shitty plot and art, while this has great characters, if you do not agree you have shit taste'
If you just want to post your own impressions, that is cool.
Do not impose them.

[Anonymous No.]

>he has too good of an argument, TROLL, TROLL TROLL.
I think OP is just a quality poster. You shit posters don't know shit, you just mad because OP is too good at making arguments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143849
Cool story OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143849
Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143719
>Tsukihime and FSN are bad because they're bad.
>Umineko is good because it's good.
Intriguing thesis, fellow literary critic.

[Anonymous No.]

Good vs. Bad RTS games

A good RTS has a quality of itself (ie, not the fandom) that transcends the sum of it's individual parts. For example, a game like Warcraft 3 may not have that many units out at any given time, but it's such a masterpiece micro, macro, and tactical gameplay that it is able to go beyond the sum of it's parts and achieve greatness. Not all good RTS games need to be masterpieces; there are some which are strong in most of the key elements of an RTS (objectives, unique units, story mode, online gameplay, etc) are memorable as quality experiences.

However, games which do not have any transcending quality of greatness or even a net sum of quality cannot be considered "good" RTS games. For example, Starcraft: poor art, convoluted story that is at the same time boring, there are no hero units and the regular units are boring, overall a large disapointment in all major areas -- the only area that it stands above the rest in, however, is the fact that it enjoys an association with E-sport, which was exported to the West via the online fandom here; in reality, no one likes the game per se, but they like fitting in with the "cool" crowd, and eventually it became a cultural underpinning. This makes it popular, but it still cannot be called "good".

Seriously, you are a bad troll OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143849
sup OP

What's it like to start a thread that basically just says "hey guys listen to what i think about these games!!!"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143886
>>5143868
>>5143863
u mad, madfags? saging because your mad at life? Yeah. I'm not OP either you dumb faggots

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143902
Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>in order to "fit in"
The increasing numbers of newfags might have (probably have) changed this, but the majority (perhaps not anymore but there should be a fairly large amount) here still read these things when they were first released in english, before established fanbases were made.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get it.
Why are the so many posts on 4chan that hold opinions so obviously differing from a realistic one?
What is the point of making up your opinion?
Why do people bother? Do they realize that nobody cares at all and that they've done nothing to anyone or done anything for anything?
Why won't they get that all it does is wear people out a bit?
Seriously, one moment I'm reading series of comments that said that all single player games suck, the next I'm reading something about how all Touhou games suck as do the [insert description of regular /jp/ posters] but that KS and Ouran Highschool Host Club are pretty good.

They're so obviously designed to be things that a great number of people strongly disagree with and there's so many, and so few people actually *care*.
Nobody's getting angry.
Nobody's actually raging.
We're just tired of it, plan and simple... We've so many times before.
You're not provoking us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143902
Sure you aren't, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143902
> u mad
> madfags
> saging mad at life

go back to /a/, OP. You are not as clever as you might think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143849
I just dont get why Umineko, Saya no Uta and Chaos Head aren't crossed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143902
>u mad?

Also you clearly don't understand the meaning of sageing a thread.

I wish mods would public-ban people like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143907
>>5143921
>>5143922
what's wrong, madfags, can't think of a decent argument? I don'te ven browse /a/, I don't like manga or anime, but whatever you fags say I suppose, I mean your argument has undeniable logic backing it up, OH WAIT YOUR NOT ARGUING JUST BEING MAD AHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143943
>I wish mods would public-ban people like you.
>ban someone because their opinion is better than shitposters
Yeah, I don't think thats going to happen unless the mod here is a faggot, enjoy my opinion and atastes being better than yours, mad sagefag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143945
Yep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143945
>Mad?
If anything that really isn't it.
I am fairly bored and you just proved yourself to be even more retarded than I first thaught you might have been, so I am just going to go to bed instead of aimlessly talk with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143952
>Yep.
Quality counter-argument, but you managed to get rid of your sage this time! One step away from your mad, madfag. Keep it up and you might just be a quality poster like me instead of a shit posting mouhtbreathing retard like yourself :O

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143945
>Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry"), grotesque ("guro"), or loli/shota pornography.

reported

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143963
Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143920
But not tired enough to stop replying, it seems.

People are even responding to this "u mad" faggot, for fuck's sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143945
>>5143950
Gotta love weekend /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143962
>so I am just going to go to bed instead of aimlessly talk with you.
That's right, run away from the arguments you can't win, madfag. Typical /jp/ mentality right there, it can't be helped, right, madfag? You keep telling yourself that, enjoy getting nowhere in life but being mad on imageboards because posters are better than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143950
>unless the mod here is a faggot
You clearily don't know of our mod.
Meido-san is special.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143976
Sure/

[Anonymous No.]

>Typical /jp/ mentality
Boredom and lack of motivation? Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143965
>reporting posts by posters you can't handle
way to go, madfag
>>5143971
I'm here all week, actually, just I saw that their was this quality thread, so I decided to tell all you madfags off for being so mad that better posters than you [poster on the weekends, you just can't handle it, so you get mad and say 'reported' and sage threads because you can't handle them. you so mad, madfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144002
Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143982
Meido is a janitor you stupid newfriend, maybe you should stop getting so mad and saging the thread and maybe become a little more educated on /jp/ before you decide to come in and be mad at threads and sage a thread like a madfag to fit in becase you have no idea what the fuck else to do besides be a madfag
>>5143989
Wow, a slash this time, maybe you should learn to type in proper english you stupid madfag? I can't bear to argue with a fucking idiot like you, your mad and you can't fucking form a coherent sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144018
Sure\

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144002
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144024
>emailto:sage
just get out of this thread already, madfag. the contents are too high-quality for you to handle in your blind madness, ust stop being so mad and being a mad sagefag and maybe you can come back to this thread, but until then, leave now madfag devs

[Anonymous No.]

>>5143558

I got my degree in literature and what you're describing is called Reader-response criticism. Basically you feel that a work is good on a personal level and what you get out of a work is what makes it valid.

This is unfortunately a very difficult type of criticism to maintain because every single person will approach a work of literature different than any other; meaning there are 6,000,000,000 different reader-responses to any single work.

While Post-modernism will argue that such criticism is valuable and anything we bring to a work is valid there are many arguments against both Reader-response criticism and post-modernism.

So good luck in convincing the scholarly establishment (or anyone here on /jp/) that your particular response to a work of literature is good and other people's responses are not. On a personal level this is true but according to the critical theory you seem to espouse everyone else's response is equally to your own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144035
Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144035
You must be new to /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144046
>back to saging
stop being so mad you stupid sagefag god you guys are so mad for absolutely no reason its just the content of this thread is too high quality for you to handle, its okay though, you can pretend sage actually does anything while i discuss vns in my thread while you just be mad and sage like a sagefag all day long it doesn't really effect me madfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144018
Head-Meido, now with the power to ban and delete.

[Anonymous No.]

0/10

Niggas don't even try any more...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144056
anti-sage!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144053
More things go on E-mail than sage/

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144062
another anti-sage!

[Anonymous No.]

>wake up
>"I might as well not F5 /jp/, it's probably Touhou for 15 pages again. Ah hell, not like I have anything better to do."
>"Hey wait is this a general VN thread?"
>thread is an /a/ level shitstorm of trolls and retardation

Fuck you /jp/, I'm never coming here again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144058
and a third and final one! Now madfags don't put in a sage or ill just counter your sage rendering your entire shitty post shitty and pointless, just like your shitposter mentality

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144066
>Fuck you /jp/, I'm never coming here again.
>sage
Bye madfag, nothing of value was lost, just go back to /v/ where you can speak with dumbass madfags on the same level as you! another anti-sage!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144053
Sage does not mean anyone is mad. Why are you so adamantly bumping this thread? You should stop. This is getting silly, even for trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144066
Thanks God.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144069
>>5144073
Sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144074
>Sage does not mean anyone is mad.
>emailto:sage
mad sagefag detected trying to justify his shitposting! anti-sage deployed successfully!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144075
anti-sage against madfag!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144085
Sure/

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144053
Oh man I am slow, I just got it.
All these responses regarding sage and the thing about everyone in the thread being "mad" implies that you actually believe that sage has any negative weight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144083
anti-sage deployed against mad sagefag succcessful again! Thread revived!!

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/

so bad, new influx of /a/ people huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144091
anti-sageru¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144092
and another one deployed against madafg!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144066
You make /v/-style greentext blog posts. We don't want you here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144093
>>5144098
Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144094
>shitty English
just leave /jp/ already please, madsagefag!
Another nati-sage!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144066
>>5144108
AHahha the mad sagefags are fighting amongst eachother now! how cute, why don't you go fling shit at eachother on a /v/ thread, madfags. Anti-sage~

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144093
>NO HE'S REALLY UPSET HE HAS TO BE I PUT SO MUCH EFFORT INTO THIS PLEASE BE UPSET PLEASE BE

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144112
Nati?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144110
anti-sagerrrrrrrrrrrrr~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Anonymous No.]

Welcome to /jp/, OP! We hope one day you will become a valuable poster and contributing member to our board. Might we recommend you start off your time spent here with what is known as "lurking?" This is the fastest way to familiarize yourself with basic etiquette and knowledge required for being a successful contributor to this board. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.]

Why are you idiots still responding to the troll? Oh wait it's the weekend. Get out secondaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144121
its a typo you stupid fuck if you had any knowledge of english you would know this but cleaerly you are too busy being mad to have gone to school, anti-sage for madfag agaiN!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144123
Blue name=sage, obviously/

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144120
anmti-gesag~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144135
it always is you fucking newfag. go back to /b/ and then learn some common /4chan knowledge you fucking new mad sagefag

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>5143558

Three checks for Planetarian.

Y'all niggas postin' in a troll thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144127
anti-sage for you too!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144130
anti-sage for you too, madfag! no one will be spared awwhhahwahwhwah!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144141
anti-sage also get out please tripfag, go back to /b/ with that stupid shit this is an anonymous image board not a 'LOOK AT ME I HAVE A NAME PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION PLESAE GUYS RECONIGZE MY VALUABLE OPINION PLEASE' board

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144130
OP here. I've been posting on 4chan for years, but it should tell you something that I hardly ever bother with /jp/ anymore. The fact that some of you are even calling Umineko a bad VN is actually a little surprising; I had no idea /jp/ had become such a sewer over the last year, because it was about that long ago I was last in here participating in the constant thread-on-front-page Umineko discussions.

[Anonymous No.]

I agree with OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144161
>I had no idea /jp/ had become such a sewer over the last year, because it was about that long ago I was last in here participating in the constant thread-on-front-page Umineko discussions.
/jp/ has really gone down the sewer, like you say. Not quality posters like you now, just lots of madfags.

[Anonymous No.]

I shouldn't bother with this thread, but you aren't aware that over a fourth of all posts on /jp/ uses sage, right?
There are entire threads were people discuss on topic discussions even though the majority of them uses sage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144161
Umineko is mediocre, most of the bad stuffs you pointed out for FSN and Tsukihime actually work for Umineko to some extent.
What is has though is a mystery that need to be solved, that sort of stuff create discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

does someone have the clear one of op's image?

[Anonymous No.]

FYI, Fate/Stay Night has better artwork than Umineko. Umineko is definitely a step above Higurashi, but still not that high quality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144179
I know, I was trolling because I was bored out of my fucking mind. Not OP here, by the way, the guy calling people 'madfags' here. But regardless of whether a post uses sage or not, 50% or more of posts are shitposts. Either 'OH YAH SU MI' threads or 'I SHAT ON THE FLOOR' or other retarded shit. I've only been on /jp/ for about 4 months, and I'm appalled at how fucking bad this board is. But really, it is my only board (besides /v/ on occasion) that I can have a good discussion of visual novels on. /jp/ seems to be completely and utterly filled with obnoxious faggots and general trolls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144157
There is no such thing as an "anti-sage." When will you understand this? Sage does nothing. You can't do something to undo nothing.
0 * -1 = 0.

[None !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>5144186

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144200

thx

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144161
I bet you were introduced to VNs after the crossed ones were translated and that you read the checked ones at their release.
With the exception of Planetarian which might have been your first and then Ever17 which you might have read before familiarising with the community.

[Anonymous No.]

Where is your tripcode OP?
You said you'ld use one, don't lie to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144199
Yes, I was trolling. Are you completely and utterly fucking retarded? You fall for that pathetic trolling where I constantly called everyone a 'madfag' for about 20 posts. Get out of /jp/, and get some education.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144161
Back then Umineko fans were just a small group of circlejerking elitists. Now the fanbase basically treats it like Code Geass the VN (they know it's bad but they still keep talking about it). Both situations are about equally bad. Also you seem to think it's impossible for different posters on /jp/ to have different opinions. A continually running discussion thread doesn't mean everyone on the board likes something (otherwise we would all be idolfags).

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144211

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144211
You said that you have only been here 4 months so it is only natural that you dont quite get the mentality of bored /jp/ers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144239
But how can you be bored? I also have no fucking life, besides going to college, but I could quite happily entertain myself all day watching anime/manga/videogames/whatever, without the necessity to shitpost all the fucking time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144211
madfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144246
But you are shitposting.
Right now.
And you still aren't using sage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144223
This.
You weren't a part of /jp/ before the typemoon fandom established wheras you only slowly experienced the gradual change of the umineko fandom thus being more familiar with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144259
I don't use sage, if I'm discussing in the thread, I want to bump it so I can discuss it with more people. I see no point in letting a thread with discussion in it sink below typical shitposting threads. If no one used sage, besides if the thread was shit, good threads would stay on the first page, and shit threads would sink and die horribly. I understand you can have a 'polite sage', but I don't understand why people on /jp/ do it. And I'm hardly shitposting, it's more just metathread discussion, off-topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144271
>And I'm hardly shitposting, it's more just metathread discussion, off-topic.
This is the same level of irony as "I'm not a pedophile, I'm just sexually attracted to children."

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144283
>I'm not a pedophile, I'm just sexually attracted to children.
>I'm not shitposting, just having metathread discussion.
That is a fucking horrible analogy. Can you come up with a decent counter-argument instead of deducting my entire post to a stupid analogy, please?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144246
First of all I would clasify the post as a meaningless post, hence sage.

Your post isn't really great either though and you didnt use sage.
Also, you haven't played all games, you haven't watched all shows, you haven't read all books.
You are still too young it seems

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144211
I was shitposting, but I intended to, newfags.
HAHAHA/

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144297
>Also, you haven't played all games, you haven't watched all shows, you haven't read all books.
I'm pretty sure this is nigh-impossible to do. You know boards on 4chan are a pretty good source of infinite discussion and new content...?

[Anonymous No.]

>I want to bump it so I can discuss it with more people
Granted the speed rises over the weekend, but the thread barely even left the front page.
Threads on /jp/ lasts.

[Anonymous No.]

>127 posts and 8 image replies omitted.
Glad to know /jp/ is as intelligent and mature as always.

[Anonymous No.]

All the Umineko hate comes off as being so hipster-ish. Most of the haters just make these obnoxious one or two line posts with SAGE SAGE LOL.

I rarely ever see any genuine intellectual take downs of Umineko as a VN, probably because there aren't any genuine intellectual people that bother to "hate" it.

I often stand up for "Haters" of things when that thing becomes very popular and shoved in everyone's face; but with Umineko it feels like everyone "Has" to accept it'd a mediocore VN and nobody's allowed to think it's clever.

It reminds me of the Christfag presecution complex; I see far more threads bitching about Umineko being overrated than I do people actually over-rating it.

I don't know why, but /jp/ has become increasingly more hostile and obnoxious towards people of different opinions over the last few months. Umineko hate in particular seemed to explode when Episode 6 was released, because it didn't meet people's expectations. People are still NERD RAGING about it, so their opinions probably aren't honest to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144318
>Threads on /jp/ lasts.
Yes, but you still haven't explained what the actual point of not bumping the thread is... threads with posts will be kept alive, threads that no one gives a shit about will die, as no one posts in them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144291
I'm saying that metathread discussion is shit. If you're going to do it, at the very least use sage so that the thread doesn't bump to the top.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144329
You base threads on text:image ratios? Another quality poster, I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144331
Genuine arguments are lumped together with 'Your opinion'.
People are overly defensive concerning the quality of writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144312
There are many neets and hikkies on /jp/, all the jokes arent just for show.
If you spend all your time for 5-10+ years, you will eventually run out on things avqailable in english and then the task of learning more languages comes, a task that must be finished first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144340
>I'm saying that metathread discussion is shit. If you're going to do it, at the very least use sage so that the thread doesn't bump to the top.
It doesn't matter whether I sage or not, really. It just means people will see it, pretty much anyone who gives a shit about this is already in the thread and discussing. But why do people sage threads which are Touhou/Visual novels as a 'polite sage'? I have yet to see the logic behind this explained to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144353
>There are many neets and hikkies on /jp/, all the jokes arent just for show.
Oh, okay then. I just wish I could get a board when I can discuss visual novels without the need for these shit threads born out of the boredom of lazy idiots. It's so hard to find quality threads on /jp/ nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144374
Then make the threads yourself, use the filter, and stop complaining.

[Anonymous No.]

damnit paul pierce shooting free throws, this ones over folks

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144374
Learn to make threads instead of 'waiting' for one.
Putting up a 'general vn' thread then mentioning something about one you read usually works well enough.
When you do shit like OP, you see what happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144336
Basically because there are enough people here to discuss it, bumping it a few posts up won't change much.
It is not really as if a person will go "Hmm, this thread doesn't seem to interest me" and then "Oh, it got bumped, now that changes everything".
They can and probably already have seen the thread anyways, if they didn't join they didn't, lets leave room to other threads, that way more people can be happy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144395
There is no point ignoring the shit quality. I don't use filters.
>>5144398
>Putting up a 'general vn' thread then mentioning something about one you read usually works well enough.
I should do this more often, yeah. But it generally just fills with shit posts, on the few occasions that I actually did make a thread, I have no fucking idea why, but hey, that's /jp/.
>>5144402
Thank you for sharing this logic. I never thought of it like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144374
Its just that pretty much all VNs

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144424
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144346

There are more people offensive about it than defensive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144374
have already been discussed to death.
WHen the next flood of translations are released there will be more threads.

Granted that it was a partial translation, the partial patch of Daibanchou sparked some interest for an example, but only so much can come from a partial release.
More translation projects are near completion and then /jp/ will be filled with stuff for at least another year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144459
Not really, no.
Just as much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144463
Cool, so the quality of threads has just gone down recently due to no visual novels? That makes sense. Anticipating motherfucking Kara no Shoujo and SubaHibi, I'm sure that'll get /jp/ discussing again.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: OP wants attention and /jp/ is actually giving it to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144504
OP hasn't even posted for a good 50 posts, you fuckwit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144331
I have posted "genuine intellectual" (using this phrase makes you come across as incredibly snobbish by the way) criticisms of Umineko. I don't do it in every Umineko thread because there's no need to announce my opinion all the time. In fact I just hide Umineko threads on sight these days. If I ever say anything bad about Umineko it's just a passing comment in a thread that isn't specifically about Umineko, so I don't want to derail the thread by getting into a "genuine intellectual" debate over it. Not to mention that in the end everything comes down to opinions, which isn't something I like to waste my time arguing over.

>I don't know why, but /jp/ has become increasingly more hostile and obnoxious towards people of different opinions over the last few months.
If you think that then you've only been posting here a few months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144475
The biggest reason is still the major influx of users from boards such as /a/ and /v/.
The way VNs have started to become more and more mainstream is the biggest factor that comes to mind regarding the quality of /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144545
>The way VNs have started to become more and more mainstream
VNs are a long way from being mainstream in the West. In fact, is it even mainstream in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144568
It's not.
I saw a very good thread in may yesterday about this very fact.
Looks like the eroge market is only composed of about 500000 people.
During the 90's, it was about 2 millions.
I guess that's why people constantly say that the golden age is gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144586
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>5144463
That simply isn't the case, sadly. Most new translations still get ignored in favor of the usual Umineko/TM threads. When ef was released recently the only threads that received any attention were about NNL's trolling. The few threads about the game itself received maybe a dozen replies. More popular games might fill up a few threads and then just fade away.