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5054110 No.5054110 [Reply] [Original]

Why is Key such a master of emotions?

>> No.5054120

I predict a shitstorm

>> No.5054137

>>5054120
Or an agreement.

>> No.5054146

CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG

>> No.5054150
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>>5054110
Because you are already dead

>> No.5054152

>>5054137
no

>> No.5054157

I didn't feel anything during that scene.

I wish I did.

>> No.5054161

Forced drama is forced.

CLANNAD, in general is a pure sugar-coated turd.

>> No.5054177
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5054177

It's in the eyes.

>> No.5054182

Because Jun Maeda majored in psychology.

>> No.5054185

Because Jun Maeda is a genius.

>> No.5054186

CLANNAD did nothing for me because OH MAGIC EVERYTHINGS FINE GUYS LOL ಠ_ಠ

>> No.5054188

I wish I was as awesome as Jun Maeda.

>> No.5054192

>>5054157

I only felt something when he apologizes to his dad for being such an ungrateful piece of shit.

>> No.5054207

>>5054192
That's the only scene where Clannad is actually true to its worth.
The rest of the game was just forced drama bullshit.

>> No.5054214

>>5054207

Have you ever read a VN where there wasn't forced drama?

>> No.5054217

>>5054192
This. Only scene in the anime to make me cry.

>> No.5054223
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>>5054207
>forced drama
That word does not mean what you think it means.

Go back to /a/.

>> No.5054237

>>5054217

And to this day I still don't know why I was immune to everything in Clannad except that.

>> No.5054255

>>5054186
wat

CurryButt, the good end only happens when you complete every route and collect every light.

I remember I was so depressed after finishing After Story, I didn't even care about continuing looking for new lights. Just thinking about Nagisa still makes my chest hurt.

>> No.5054260

What is "forced drama" anyways.

>> No.5054269

>>5054260

Drama that exists without a real in-story reason, and solely for the sake of trying to seem "sad" or "deep".

>> No.5054274

>>5054217
>anime
There's your problem. The anime did a terrible job with the most moving scenes.

>> No.5054277

Key is the master of forced drama
BAW HIS WIFE DIED THAT'S SO FUCKING SAD
COOLSTORYBRO FUCKING MANCHILDREN CRYING TO SHIT THAT THEY CANT EVEN RELATE TO BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL FUCKING VIRGINS
maximumtrolling.jpg

>> No.5054282

>>5054260
Drama that the person using the phrase doesn't like.

>> No.5054285
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>>5054255
Yeah, but even so the real end is the happy magical miracle bullshit. It ruins all possible caring I could have had for the other things that happened.

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>>5054192

This. I was also raised by a single father, so that scene hit especially hard.

>> No.5054295

>>5054269
I haven't read or watch Clannad, can someone give me an example from it being "forced drama"

>> No.5054299

Forced drama is the worst explanation for anything, regardless if it's KEY or not.

Forced drama exists in every weeaboo-related shit, because they aren't real.

>> No.5054305

Barney would be so proud at this series.

>> No.5054312

>>5054285
What do you have against miracles? Are you a scientist or some shit?

>> No.5054320

>>5054299

You can't say that forced drama as an objective concept doesn't EXIST though.

'Drama' exists and sometimes it is 'forced'. You can't deny that.

>> No.5054331

>>5054312
Nah, I was just fuckin' with you man. This world is full of miracles, even I'm not blind to that shit. I mean pelicans being hungry and thinking my phone is food? Rainbows? shit man. This world is a miracle all in itself.

>> No.5054332

>>5054320
Then what is "unforced" drama in an unreal world context?

>> No.5054343

>>5054293

Did your mother die when you were young? That's kinda moe.

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5054345

Huh, I thought I was the only one who was hit hardest by the father route.

My dad went through the same thing minus the drowning in beer part, and he raised 3 ungrateful kids instead of 1. Before I played the VN I was an utter douchebag, it's amazing that a single game basically woke me up from my ignorance.

>> No.5054362

>>5054332

Drama that flows as a natural part of the events within the story.

It's the difference between someone dying in a random car accident and someone dying from a terminal disease that's been the main focus of the plot the whole time.

>> No.5054365

>>5054345
You probably still are a douchebag, but now you're simply trying to be unaware of it.

>> No.5054368

Forced or not forced, if you watch that scene and feel nothing, your heart is made of stone. ;_;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE38SKRT4ak

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>>5054345
You're still ignorant too, you dumb douchebag motherfucker.

I guess kids without both their parents turn out shitty, just like you and your siblings.

>> No.5054405

>>5054320
Drama in fiction is always forced because the writer intentionally writes it into the story. Therefore you can say that forced drama exists, but it encompasses all fictional drama.

>> No.5054407

So basically, forced drama = series of events that are more emotional than what we normally see in RL?

>> No.5054408

I can't help but laugh, looking back at KEY plots.

"Everybody you know is dead! It's okay, let's play baseball"
"My girlfriend turned into a fox and died out of nowhere"
"When I was young I looked at the abyss and said "I want to be in eternity daddy" and now the abyss is out to get me "

>> No.5054416

>>5054407
I'm not gonna participate in this drama shit but I think it's probably more along the lines of hard-to-believe, super convenient type drama that shows up in this stuff.

I really don't care either way, just sayin.

>> No.5054446

>>5054416

Yes, this.

Forced drama is when the writers of Sitcom X are scrambling to think up new and interesting material on the night before the deadline and one of them says "hey, why don't we have Beloved Character Y die in Z Random Accident" and everyone else is all "that's a great idea we really should be writing this down".

And then that's when you know it's time to stop watching the show.

>> No.5054463

Forced drama = drama I dont like

>> No.5054473

>>5054463

No, that's exactly what I'm NOT saying. Go away.

>> No.5054484

>>5054416
>I'm not gonna participate in this argument
>Adds two cents

And knowing you you'll take this bait and try to get into a huge debate.

>> No.5054493

>>5054408
>"When I was young I looked at the abyss and said "I want to be in eternity daddy" and now the abyss is out to get me "
That sounds more like a Lovecraftian story.

>>5054473
Forced drama is inserting drama into a story that was not intended to be a drama.
Clannad is a drama. It always has been considered as one.
You are an idiot. Go back to /a/.

>> No.5054517

>>5054493

That's not what forced drama is. You're assuming drama can't be bad, which isn't true.

In television, which was my example, forced drama would be drama that exists only to improve ratings. Often, it backfires.

Oh, and I'm not saying Clannad has forced drama (in general). After Story was in no way forced.

>> No.5054524

>>5054484
I just wanted to clear it up for him, not get involved in this stupid shit. So no.

>> No.5054530

>>5054446
>Forced drama is when the writers of Sitcom X are scrambling to think up new and interesting material on the night before the deadline and one of them says "hey, why don't we have Beloved Character Y die in Z Random Accident" and everyone else is all "that's a great idea we really should be writing this down".

It only sound forced because you put it into this context, "author late, forced a plot point"

But if you kept it as "Character Y die in Z Random Accident", it doesn't sound forced at all

>> No.5054538

>>5054517
So why the fuck are you even posting in this thread?

>> No.5054547
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>>5054365
>>5054370
Douchebags

>> No.5054550

The VN (and the After Story, maybe) is just one long gauntlet of drama.
You run it to prove if you really are the emotional husk of a human being you say you are.

>> No.5054571

>>5054530

...Hmm, it really does depend on the reasoning behind it, yeah.

But I'd say that random accidents almost always occur for bad/forced drama purposes. Forced drama is when things happen for no other reason than LOOK AT THIS IT'S DRAMATIC BE SAD, DAMN YOU.

>> No.5054576

Because you're piss easy to manipulate and absolutely predictable.

>> No.5054584

Clannad is good if you realize that the good end is a merely a bittersweet dream in Tomoya's head before he draws his last breath with his dead daughter in his arms.

All that multiverse shit doesn't make any sense because Tomoya made it up as a last resort to cope with his grief.

inb4 fags try to deny it when they know it's true

>> No.5054588

>>5054584
You already said this last night.

>> No.5054595

>>5054584

This is a valid interpretation, especially if you've only seen the anime.

You're still a troll, though.

>> No.5054600
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5054600

Clannad- A story about family, the majority of the game is happy until you get to afterstory.

Kanon- The theme is about miracles-,the majority of the routes are depressing

Air- Wtf happened again?

Planetarian: CLANG CLANG CLANG

Tomoyo After: LOL MY HEAD HURTS

Little Busters: Bros for life.


Honestly Kanon was my favorite out of all of them. I'd say Clannad had the best cast though.

>> No.5054602

>>5054408
I thought the second one there was supposed to be "I forgot all my friends from primary school WHY AM I SURROUNDED BY FREAKS"

>> No.5054611

CLANNAD is shit. Seriously, how many times are they going to remake the same VN before you retards stop crying over the same shit? Good god, haven't they everything about it is so cliched and unsubtle.

>> No.5054617

>>5054611
Remove "haven't they" from the last sentence.

>> No.5054618

If it had ended with tomoya and ushio living happy ever after, it would have been a masterpiece. Ushio should never have gotten sick.

>> No.5054622

>>5054588
I actually said it over a year ago and people started copying my troll theory and posting it in every Clannad thread.

>> No.5054626

>>5054584
You only watched the anime, didn't you?

Read the visual novel carefully, and you will notice how some characters remember events from previous routes/worlds.

>> No.5054633

>>5054626
Wait, wouldn't that just support his argument?
It'd be like Tomoya is getting the events mixed up in his imagination.

>> No.5054635

>>5054595
I never even watched the anime.

Well, I watched 1 episode to see how bad it was and dropped it, but I don't think that counts.

>> No.5054637

>>5054622
I wrote that troll theory about 2 years ago when there wasn't even AS anime yet.

>> No.5054638

>>5054635
oh, one of these guys, I forgot how much /a/ traffic /jp/ gets these days.

>> No.5054641

>>5054626
I don't believe the light orb trash.

Tomoya died.

>> No.5054645

>>5054635
The CLANNAD anime was horrid. I mean just absolutely awful.

>> No.5054653

>>5054637
Except you didn't.

ZUN or someone actually tracked it's roots down using easymodo in one of these threads and it was my post.

>> No.5054656

>>5054600
>the majority of the game is happy until you get to afterstory

I... wouldn't say this. That's when the game gets REALLY depressing, yes, but it's not happy at all for the majority of the game.

>> No.5054660

>>5054641
Clannad had magic, just deal with it, faggot.

>> No.5054662

>Anonymous claims he's the originator of a copypasta
>Anonymous counters that Anonymous didn't write it, Anonymous did
Do you see the problem here?

>> No.5054666

>>5054653
Prove it. Find your post, and I will try to find mine.

>> No.5054670

>>5054638
Since when does watching a single episode of a shitty series and dropping it mean I'm from that shithole called /a/?

I didn't watch it before finishing the VN if that's what you're trying to imply.

>> No.5054672

Hey you faggots whining about how everyone actually died. KEY likes to add magic in their shit games to compensate for shit writing, deal with it.

>> No.5054687

>>5054666
I would, but I just got done with SSF4 trials and I'm tired as shit.

Besides, there's really no point since I posted it as anonymous. The proof resides within me, and that's good enough for me and nobody else.

>> No.5054694

>>5054660

Suddenly MOTHERFUCKING MAGIC IN MY SLICE-OF-LIFE DRAMA.

And then everyone was hippie and sucked God's cock.

>> No.5054695

I hate these threads so much.

>> No.5054701

>>5054595
>This is a valid interpretation, if you are an Uminekofag who likes circlejerking over Shkanontrice theories

>> No.5054702

Ok...so
Forced Drama is determined by subjective view on how hard/easy to believe, and how natural it flows

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>>5054656
Yeah but most of the routes leave you with a warm fuzzy feeling.

The only routes that were somewhat depressing were Tomoyo, Kappei, Misae, Ushio, and the bad end.

Well that's just my opinion. Most of them had a happy ending.

>> No.5054706

>>5054687
No no, go find it. You can sleep later.

I'm looking for my post right now.

>> No.5054713

>>5054110
Why are you so easily influenced by stories designed to make your cry?

>> No.5054714

KEY is good if you just ignore all the magic shit.

It's a bit hard since they embed it in the stories, but you can get around it with a little imagination, i.e. >>5054584 .

>> No.5054723

>>5054706
You're not really in the position to demand anything or threaten me.

Post my home address and I'll think about it.

>> No.5054725

Why is every male lead in key an asshole and why do they behave like assholes? Why isn't there a timid nice guy for once that isn't KYON^2.

>> No.5054733

>>5054714
>>5054584
Same nekofag

>> No.5054751

>>5054723
Well, you're no fun. Go to bed if you're so tired then.

>> No.5054760

>>5054725
Because their cold, jaded heart is supposed to be melted by the sensual touch of a woman.

>> No.5054761

>>5054702

Well, if you want to put it that way.

>>5054704

Don't forget Fuuko's route. So goddamn sad.

>> No.5054767

>>5054725
Abusing girls is moe~, I guess.

>> No.5054768

>>5054725
How are they assholes? Tomoya was surprisingly good considering the life he lived.

>> No.5054771

Okay to be honest Clannad made me cry too

Nagisaaaaaaaaaaaa ;_;

>> No.5054796
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>>5054761
Fuuko was too comical for me to take seriously. Also the ghost girl is used in almost every key game.

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>>5054771
Ahahaha. Why it did so did most of they key stuff, then again I cry easily. I even cried to stuff like Shuffle and To Heart anime. Well I cried even more when they dumped the cat girl in Da Capo.

>> No.5054798

>>5054725
It's funnier that way.

>> No.5054800

>>5054714
>CLANNAD is good if you change the story.
Ya? So is everything else.

>> No.5054812

>>5054768
Oh you exactly know what I'm talking about.

>> No.5054818
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5054818

The milfs are the best part of any key game.

>> No.5054828

>>5054796
Fuuko's even worse in the anime so her tragic scenes didn't even register with me. I like her the most though.

>> No.5054875

>>5054828
There was only one scene I found heartbreaking during Fuuko's arc, how when Tomoya and Nagisa both remembered Fuuko when they saw Koumura painting that sign, and then she appeared standing between them with her head down. Other than that, yeah there really wasn't any sad scenes. Granted this was in the anime, and was slightly different than the VN was.

>> No.5054894

>>5054702
ie. If you read something with a mindset like "I won't be swayed by the author's emotional tactics", certain plot points would become harder to believe, and the drama would feel forced

Whereas, if you like sappy stuff in general, most drama to you would seem easy to believe. However, you might still find the drama to be forced if it doesn't flow well.

>> No.5054978

>>5054894
>If you read something with a mindset like "I won't be swayed by the author's emotional tactics", certain plot points would become harder to believe, and the drama would feel forced
Who does that? It seems kind of stupid to me. That's like going into something trying to hate it. You'll always succeed because nothing is perfect.

>> No.5055037

>>5054978

This guy seems like one
>>5054713

and a lot of people does think like that unaware, like a comedy series your friend is trying to make you watch, bragging how it's very funny. You might probably give in and watch the comedy with the mindset "This won't make me laugh"

>> No.5055102

>>5054894
I think harder/easier "to accept" makes more sense than "to believe" since it kinda overlap with how natural it flows

>> No.5055285

>>5055037
Ah like, people saying "this is 4chan shit, gotta be an ass" before playing Katawa Shoujo.

>> No.5055375

Clannad? I liked it better when it had time travel instead of all this moe, and it was called YU-NO.

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this thread sure has a lot of haters.

>> No.5055745

>>5055037
I don't think that's ever happened to me. If anything I'll go in expecting to laugh, maybe even trying to, and if I still don't laugh then I'll know it's just a bad comedy.

>> No.5055920

It's funny how this thread only prove that most haters didn't play Clannad.

Clannad has less drama than fucking FSN and most other serious VNs, the only serious stuff happen in After Story that is basically 10% of the game.
Everything else is upbeat, even the moment that make you cry are more of the happy tears kind.

But the faggots here are from /a/ and think the anime is a good representation or something.

>> No.5056418

>>5054645
>implying the Clannad anime wasn't amazing, and on par with the game

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