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5035119 No.5035119 [Reply] [Original]

>Excuse me, I have to interject here. Japanese culture, particularly in terms of writing, is far behind the West. If I were to draw a direct comparison, I'd say Japan now is at about the same level as victorian England.

>They're far behind, the quality is shit, and they have a lot of catching up to do.

>Anyone who considers Japan superior or even equal to the West, is probably experiencing nostalgia for older, simpler times.

Source: >>>/lit/626075

>> No.5035124

>>5035119
So what?

>> No.5035129

It can't be helped.

>> No.5035135

>>5035119
Neither is superior, neither is shit.

This thread is pointless and a waste of space.

>> No.5035159

pointless thread. reported.

>> No.5035180

>>5035135
That.
Not that I read much of mainstream Japanese literature, but there was this one Murakami novel I really liked, so at least not all of it is bad.
But it's a retarded statement anyway, it could be possible about pre-war literature, but now there's just no reason for any significant difference.

>> No.5035269

never been to lit
looking at all the posts
they seem like they have a rather civilized and cultured people.
too bad I don't really read books other than one covering history and science...

>> No.5035520

What a good topic! 10/10 OP!

>> No.5035524

Epic win, lol!

>> No.5035532

This is the best topic on [jp/.

>> No.5035555

I tend to agree. The only time Japanese stories are any good is when they take place in a western setting (medieval) or are heavily influenced by western works. And they still manage to fuck it up often with supernatural, magical bullshit.

>> No.5035590

/lit/erate here.

My brethren are pretty much right, honestly. Modern day Japanese literature is pretty obviously influenced by western stuff. So much to the point that it is actually ridiculous and seems like a cheap imitation of western stuff.

>> No.5035596

>>5035590
no one gives a fuck

>> No.5035607

>>5035590
>/lit/

I love how people on the other boards think they are pros in what the board is for just because they go there.

/fit/ is all weight lifting badasses, /ck/ is all professional chefs, /k/ is all BOOF, etc.

I guess you havn't grown out of the 'i read about this so i know all about it' stage.

And I didn't read your post - I'm just calling you a jackass regardless.

>> No.5035614

>>5035607
I'm not a pro, I just read a lot. Doesn't mean I am some sort of expert or anything.

>> No.5035616

>>5035607
You're so right.
Next time I need advise on petcare, I should totally ask /mu/

>> No.5035628

Didn't Victorian England write a whole bunch of classics and awesome stuff while now a days we have shit like Twilight?

>> No.5035636

>>5035628
I think he's saying that Japanese literature has not evolved all that much. In other words, it's dense, wordy, and generally pretty simple.
Victorian literature in the context of the period is great. But compared to more recent works it is pretty lacking in clarity and plot.

>> No.5035639

eroge > modern Western literature

>> No.5035640

Whiskey on the baka

>> No.5035642

No, I agree.

It's the 21st century and japan is still using hieroglyphs to get their thoughts across.

>> No.5035680

>>5035642
Clearly dont know anything about the japanese language.

>> No.5035711

>>5035636
Being low on plot hardly makes literature bad. In fact it generally makes it better.

>> No.5035767

>>5035680
Then please, go ahead and enlighten me about glorious nippon and their language.

>> No.5035792

I wouldn't know since we don't read Japanese literature here. If the egg heads who actually know the topic at /lit/ says so then I'll believe them.

>> No.5035795

>>5035590
>Modern day Japanese literature is pretty obviously influenced by western stuff.
Guess what? That doesn't make it bad.
Or is modern western literature is entirely self-contained, and doesn't build on older works at all according to you?
Not to mention, the same as ALL OVER THE FUCKING WORLD , modern Japanese literature is actually affected both by local as well as foreign influences, it's only natural. That's just how things work, outside of the mainstream circle of "western" literature, which is affected only by itself(ok, that's not entirely true nowadays, but lets state it like that for the sake of this discussion).
By the way, don't forget that, unless you're interested in classic(using this term as loosely as possible) Japanese literature, local influences will be obscure for you, while the mainstream western ones will be obvious.
>>5035636
>In other words, it's dense, wordy, and generally pretty simple
Let me just say that my experience with Japanese literature really wouldn't fit that description. But maybe I was reading the wrong books, who knows.

>> No.5035825

>>5035792
They were saying that in response to a VN thread... Haruki Murakami and Ryu Murakami both put the lie to their statements pretty quickly. If everyone was still writing like Yukio Mishima I would have to agree with them on at least the 'Victorian era' part, but it's just not true.

>> No.5035835

>>5035607
I won't call them masters of literature but you're being unfair. Let me put it this way:

If someone who actually plays Touhou told you that Touhou involves girls flying and shooting bullets and then a secondary who only know Touhou via the flash songs told you that Touhou is about cirno being a baka XD which are you willing to believe? THe people who play the game or th people who only know it through secondary sources?

Same here, I assume the idiots at /lit/ know about literature so their word carries a bit of weight.

>> No.5035847

>>5035835
Except chances are we have read more Japanese literature than they have, especially if they are making blanket statements like saying all of it is crap.

>> No.5035855

>>5035825
I see

>> No.5035870

>>5035847
Makes sense. But to be fair how many Japanese literature threads do you see on /jp/? I even made one asking for some recommendations before the name change and /lit/ board and I got shotdown

>> No.5035887

It's always nice to see people say something is good or bad without showing their reasoning and what criteria they applied to come to that conclusion. This way logical discussion can be avoided in favor of flames, trolling, etc.

>> No.5035893

>>5035870
General recommendation threads are almost never well-received, anywhere.

>> No.5035926

>>5035870
>implying /jp/ has ever been anything other than Touhou & VNs

>> No.5035965

>>5035835
>Now explain how The Tale of Genji can be considered a novel while The Golden Ass cannot.

Trust me, they have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.

>> No.5036045

>>5035835
That's not an accurate analogy at all. Setting aside the completely irrelevant stuff about secondaries, Touhou is a much smaller topic than literature so it's not hard to have a large amount of knowledge about it. A better analogy would be that trusting /lit/'s word on literature is like trusting /mu/'s word on music (in other words, it's fucking stupid).

>> No.5036060

>>5036045
>Touhou is a smaller subject than literature
What is this I don't even

>> No.5036114

>>5036045
Well, to be even more specific, trusting /lit/'s opinion on Japanese literature is like asking /mu/ about Scandinavian folk music. /lit/ doesn't like or discuss Japanese literature, and when they do, it's either the same three people (myself included) talking about Haruki Murakami, or the one guy on there who's in love with Mishima. Like with /mu/, /lit/ has certain areas within their board description that they are well versed in, but in other areas they have no clue (not that that stops them from claiming to be experts).

>> No.5036169

>>5035639
This.
Honestly.

>> No.5036173

>>5035639
>>5036169
Agreed. Most "literature" produced today is just pretentious bullshit.

>> No.5036197

>Never heard of them, please recommend me one! :D
>try Utawarerumono, it's universally liked and has an English and voice patch

Fucking lol'd at whoever recommended that. That's not something you use to get people into VNs.

>> No.5036273

I didn't know much about Japanese Modern Literature, but last year's Blue Literature got me quite interested in some of the classics in that era. After reading the translation of several of those works, I can now comfortably place the likes of Natsume Souseki and Osamu Dazai on an equal pedestal with their western contemporaries.

>> No.5036294

>>5036197
Oh god, that guy is on /lit/ too?

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