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5026497 No.5026497 [Reply] [Original]

/jp/ I just recently got into Umineko and i'm confused.

Why is Rika evil? She wasn't a bitch in Higurashi.

>> No.5026505

She isn't really "evil".

She's just bored. From her perspective she is just entertaining herself. After all, the greatest enemy of witches is boredom, etc.

>> No.5026518

Why does rika want to have 100 fuck buddies while being Youhei's sister?

>> No.5026524

Maybe it's not Rika?

>> No.5026530
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>>5026524

>> No.5026535

>>5026497
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

>> No.5026540

remember how in higurashi she experienced death over 100 times?
do you think you could NOT go insane from that?

>> No.5026541

>>5026530
And Rika used to be such a nice girl

>> No.5026543

>>5026530
>implying the higurashi anime wasn't a shit adaption and that screenshot means anything

>> No.5026546

Rika's getting better, thanks to Lambda.
Fuck, I love Lambdadelta.

>> No.5026556

>>5026543
Stop misusing the quotation function, swine. And Rei was one of the more faithful adaptations.

Bernkastel IS Rika, kinda.

I suppose she is to Rika what Meta-Battler is to Battler.

>> No.5026564

Bernkastel's downright sweet compared to THAT BITCH HANYUU

>> No.5026578

Beatrice is much more evil

>> No.5026582
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5026582

What are you talking about, Rika is a completely trustworthy character....

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>>5026556
>Stop misusing the quotation function, swine. And Rei was one of the more faithful adaptations.


AHAHAHAHAHAH
NO.

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>>5026589

>> No.5026595
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>>5026578
Oh you!

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>>5026593

>> No.5026607
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ITT: People judging Rika by DEEN's shitty adaption.


Jesus, you are even worse than Umineko fags who believe Beatrice is evil and battler's mom.

>> No.5026618

>>5026589
>>5026593
>>5026597
Are you even reading what you are posting?
No one here is arguing that "Piece-Rika" is Bernkastel, the two seperated in the end, but Bernkastel is indeed Rika. That's why she refers to her as a part of herself.

>> No.5026627

Bernkastel is Rika.

Rika isn't Bernkastel.

>> No.5026629

>>5026618
>>5026627
This.

>> No.5026639

>>5026607
That's irrelevant. Bernkastel's origin came from the wine Rika would drink. It was a persona manifested by her due to the constant loops she experienced. Bernkastel is as much Rika as Jekyll is as much of Hyde.

>> No.5026642
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5026642

Rika Furude
is
Fredrika Bernkastel
in
Weekend at Bernies

>> No.5026644

>>5026627
What makes you say that?

>> No.5026652

>>5026627

That's like saying your kid self is you but you aren't your kid self.

Which is false.

>> No.5026651

Nothing to do with Rika from Higurashi. Don't believe the trolls.

>> No.5026649

Bern is Rika while she's intoxicated

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>>5026618

I'm sure op wants to know why "our" Rika was good and then evil.

The answer is: Bern and Rika are two separate entity in the end, with different personality, powers, and intention.
"Our" Rika doesn't have anything to do with Umineko Bern.

>> No.5026662

Bernkastel is born from Lambadelta toying with Rika. They are two separate entities but hey were the same person at first.

>> No.5026663

>>5026644
Simply put: Bernkastel is Rika in the meta-world, and Rika is Rika in her individual kakera.

Same entity, difference settings make for obvious differences between them.

>> No.5026671

>>5026652

But also true.
We share the same look, but we are basically two totally different person in the end.

Of course with Rika-Bern is a little more complex, but i think it a good example.

>> No.5026674

>>5026650
Actually, it depends.

What do you consider your Rika?

Because if you consider your Rika the girl who is aware of the timeloop and wants to get a GOOD END, well, thats Bern, buddy.

Rika and Bern split after Rika wins.

>> No.5026678

>trying to make sense of ryukishi's turd

>> No.5026682
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>>5026505

>> No.5026684

Rika should shut the fuck up and get a fucking boyfriend soon.

>> No.5026688

>>5026684
But Satoko isn't a boy....

>> No.5026701
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>>5026674

No, she always existed in the meta-world.

Basically, every time "our rika" dies a copy of her it's send in a "pool" in the meta-world.

All of this is repeated for 100 years, until the pool became an entity.
In Rei Rika rejects her and give her a name.
They won't be connected anymore, since Rika won't use that power anymore.

>> No.5026702

>>5026649
Episode 8, Rika wakes up with a pounding headache, naked and on top of Lambdadelta, Erika, Dlanor, Beatrice, Battler, and Ronove.

".....The fuck?"

>> No.5026716

However, the fact that Rika is aware that a version of herself exists in a higher dimension, that she says she isn't Rika when she's speaking to Rena in Tsumihoboroshi-hen (Bernkastel feels that way to an extent) and that she gives herself the name Bernkastel when inhabiting Rika's body in Saikoroshi-hen to distinguish herself from the original Rika indicates that the Rikas of the various worlds possess at least some of Bernkastel's memories. Conversely, in Minagoroshi-hen Bernkastel says that she only has the memories that Rika obtained from the various worlds, that she was born in the human world and refers to herself as Rika at one point. Based on that, as well as all the things she says in the tea parties in Umineko which make it clear she was born from the events in Higurashi, we can assume that Bernkastel views herself as an being that's a continuation of Rika rather than a completely separate entity, which supports a close connection between them.

When Rika dies, Hanyuu sends the memories from that world to join the accumulation of memories in that higher dimension and thus become part of Bernkastel. This would explain why Bernkastel retains the name that "Rika" came up with in Saikoroshi-hen and why the Rika in the world at the end of Saikoroshi-hen says that the version of her in the higher dimension no longer matters, since her memories won't be joining it when she dies.

So in conclusion, a copy of Bernkastel's memories and personality replace Rika's mind and then the experiences of that copy merge with Bernkastel when the Rika of that world dies. Bernkastel neither created Rika nor is she really a separate entity (since 'Rika' is simply Bernkastel's mind in a human body) until they diverge at the end of Saikoroshi-hen.

>> No.5026710

>>5026497
Bernkastel is the accumulation of memories from all the Rikas that have died over the past century that have become self-aware, as she says at the start of Minagoroshi-hen. Presumably Bernkastel was created when the amount of Rika's memories that Hanyuu deposited in the dimension with the fragments reached a critical mass. The scenario for a death of Rika's mind described by Bernkastel is probably what would happen if that accumulation of memories became too great to be housed in a human being.

What presumably happens when "Rika" arrives in a new world is that a copy of Bernkastel's memories replaces the existing Rika's memories (Rika can't recall anything from before she was playing her friends in Minagoroshi-hen or from before she was hit with a ball in Saikoroshi-hen). We can't be sure that she retains all of Bernkastel's memories, since in Saikoroshi-hen Hanyuu explains to Rika that the worlds appear as fragments in the realm of the gods and how they traveled between worlds by joining these fragments, which Bernkastel must have already known since she can manipulate them (but Hanyuu could be reiterating something Rika knew). Also, Bernkastel is aware of what happened in Minagoroshi-hen at the start of Matsuribayashi-hen, but the Rika in the world of Matsuribayashi-hen lacks that information (but that may be simply be an anomaly due to Hanyuu's powers failing).

>> No.5026709

>>5026701
The name itself comes from Bernkastel wine, the type Rika would drink, brother. Regardless, in the end, Bernkastel is comprised of Rika. She IS Rika. Rika isn't comprised of Bern, so Rika isn't Bern.

>> No.5026721

>>5026702
>Episode 7 will end with Rika waking up. She's 23 years old and married. Keiichi went to a trip around the world together with Rena. Mion is pregnant and Keiichi is the father. Shion married satoshi. Satoko is a rapper now. Hanyuu still have 10 years.
Rika will wake up and say "wah, good morning, I had a strange dream where I were a witch called Bernkastel, and something about hamburguers and lesbian girlfriend..."
and all the fans will cry, also explaining the title "When They Cry"


>>5026678

The whole Rika/Bern is really simple, but most of the people here still trying to make sense using DEEN's shit.

It's not Higurashi story, stop.

>> No.5026729

If bern is rika, then who is lambda?

>> No.5026734
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>>5026710
>>5026716

This copypast is convulsed as fuck.

>> No.5026736

>>5026729

Fate.
She existed before Higurashi.

>> No.5026738

>>5026721
Not using DEEN's shit, bro. DEEN shows Bernkastel for like 4 seconds in total.

>> No.5026748

>>5026738

Yes, and yet they still trying.

There are people who considerate Bernkastel and Frederika two different entity, the fuck?

>> No.5026754

>>5026721
No. In the end I think that Rika will get in a fight and her mom will get scared and tell her to move with her auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.

>> No.5026755
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5026755

hey guise what's going on in this thread?
btw I still don't know the culprit in higarushi, don't spoil it for me 'kay?

>> No.5026773

Rika is mai waifu in all her versions.

>> No.5026785

>>5026729
Lambda is actually Naked Snake.

>> No.5026790

>>5026701
> red text used for the backlog
Dammit.

>> No.5026863

>>5026755
Teehee, oh you! Blondes are dumb, right?

>> No.5026926

>>5026748
>There are people who considerate...
>considerate

Thanks for the lol,
and it's not any more crazy than counting Bern and Erika as 2 people, no?

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