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[Anonymous No.]

Don't mind me, just being the PUREST FREAKING character in the game.

What's that? In my first fantasy scene I take the bullet for someone? And then in my second fantasy scene I sacrifice myself before anyone else, and then try to defeat the fabulous demon who is threatening to kill everyone? And then in my most recent fantasy scene, where eveyone is pretty cool with killing people, I have to forcibly possessed by a demon? Yeah, I'm pretty much the biggest moralfag on the island.

[Anonymous No.]

Why don't you go read the FD of Kira Kira or Ef rather than always repeating the same fucking shit about your moon-chan?

[Anonymous No.]

Shutup dyke

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022627
Cause reading them illegally is considered stealing.

[Anonymous No.]

Whatever you say, Moon-chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022618
And Kanon, Kanon is such a good guy that Beatrice could not stand having him as a suspect.

[Anonymous No.]

Your last scene only proved you don't even love Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022630
1/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022636

Having happy end with him and hugging is the last scene, are you sure that it proves what you just said?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022627
Did you even read what I posted?

I said she's pure, motherfucker. As in, not evil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022657
>Jessica and kanon having a happy end
Except she was just crying because she lost, except she didn't love him nearly as much as he loves her, proved that she can't even kill for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022618

Little info
Jessica let herself being possesed by the trap twins, so she knew that she couldn't do it herself and wanted help. That doesn't mean that she was unwillingly killing. She wanted to kill Kyrie.
Also the rest took the easy way out... Kanon decided to mercy kill Rosa, Shannon protected Kanon from raging Maria and George cleared the obstacle that he would have to clear anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022677
Tea party? Kanon getting revied and they are all lovey-dovey again? Have oyu read the episode ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022681
Of course, and while Shannon/George Beato/Battler were being married, Jessica was frustrated and started crying because she lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022695
Really? I thought she was just concerned for Kanon?

After all, remember, Battler "lost" too, and he was counted as winning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022695
While screaming "Yoshiya-kun" and hugging her beloved. With "tears of joy"
Try again

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022701
Jessica is a christfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022701
MURDEROUS joy!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022701
One thing about that whole Yoshiya name thingy...

Does that mean Beato's name is Yoshiya?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022738
It means Amakuzas real name is Yoshiya

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022750
But Amakuza is Battler!
PARADOX?

Although quite frankly it would be fucking awesome if Juuza was Kanon this whole time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022753
New fucking theory: Juuza is just Juuza.
As in, you're all fucking retarded, he's just a bodyguard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022776
Basic law of animu tells us that grey hair and living in an established future means he has to be a badass future incarnation of one of the other characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022797
See, I always am a tad confused by the Juuza theories... wasn't he the one who killed Ange?

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5022854
Nah, that was Kasumi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022889
Actually I am pretty sure it was one of her henchmen and she died of blood loss of wound inflicted by him, as in the battle, there is this yell "This bitch is already dead, so why don't you stop attacking?".

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022902
So, that begs the question, the fuck is gonna happen to Ange?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022926
She died and I guess Juuza killed everyone else afterwards. Sucks to be Battler. He didn't survive E3 and train some years in the military to protect his sister for THIS god fucking dammit.

Anyway, E6 is said to be a "bonus chapter" in Ange's story anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022952
I think it's more than possible that Ange could survived, in the end. Sure, she passes out from her wounds, but the good old kiss of life could fix that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022618
You are just the most retarded one doing futile shit, but yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022966
Well, it's not exactly futile. Can't blame her for trying to save people from dying horrible, horrible deaths.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022964
Who cares about hamburger anyways?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022974
Sure, I will sacrifice myself.
NOW JUST LET ME ATTACK YOU WITH ME FISTS WHICH WOULD MAKE THE TEST AND MY CHOICE INVALID , YEEEHAW!!!
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022997
Ronove approved +20.
Besides, think about it. She chooses to die.
George's choice was to kill everyone. Her dying would have been futile, because George would have killed everyone. In addition, in reality the situation was a tad bit more complex than what we saw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023007
The fact that the demon says 'Oh coo' does not make it any less stupid.
And if George says 'I kill everyone' and only that matters, then EVERY choice is futile, so irrelevant.
And despite the whole 'Obviously this scene does not happen, author implies whatever', it is still fucking stupid.'

George going 'I will kill the rest, and I start with you'?
Acceptable.
Jessica? Yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023021
Wait, what?
The test from the get go is clearly not what it seems. Kinzo even says that all three choices are WRONG, it's about the conviction you put behind them.

Jessica's choice in the end was the one with the most of her FIGHTING SPIRIT, and that was what the test was actually about. It's a foregone conclusion that no matter what they do they're going to fail, so EVERYTHING can be seen as futile. However, Jessica's choice is by no means any more futile than George's.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5023041
The reasoning that leads to it and her FIGHTING SPIRIT is much stupider.
Notice the key word.STUPID.
As in 'What the fuck was she thinking?'

And your comment largely runs on you knowing the situation as a whole, not the character's perspective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023041
Well, George's choice also implies that he a) for some reason believes that Shannon is really cold-hearted or b) doesn't really care what Shannon thinks at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023053
The character's perspective "Kinzo just killed a bunch of people, here's this demon, gee, I should totally go along with his test because he's a trustworthy gu- OH WAIT A TIC HE'S A FREAKING DEMON, MY MOTHER IS DEAD BECAUSE OF HIS ANTICS, PERHAPS I SHOULD TAKE A FOURTH OPTION..."


Makes perfect sense to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023063
If it was like that, why not start beating up the demon in the first place, and bother going 'OF MY LOVE IMMA DIE FOR YOU AND THE REST' ?
It's stupid, no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023069
Well, that's more or less exposition for the Author. He shows us what choice they'd pick, and then he gives us a fight sequence because he wants to entertain us/get characterization for Kanon outta the way.

Also, that's not a choice one makes lightly, you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5022854
At least Okonogi told him to kill her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023108
See, I am almost of the opinion that we're not going to get ANY resolution.

Just a bunch of vague statements about love that don't mean anything...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023108
Hey, they are talking... did Juuza TELL her that Okonogi told him so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023132
Well, future-Ange from one of the unfortunate Fragments isn't really connected to the mystery of the October 4-5 1986. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023134
- Thank you. It was my first time doing such a luxurious escort service. I'd even invite you, Okonogi.
- I think I'll refuse. I'm too old for flying and hopping from one city to another.
- We are on a <cool> trip, no need to fly or hop.
- Kasumi Sumadera is desperately trying to find you. According to my information, she'll soon arrive to Rokkenjima. Soon you'll mett with her face to face.
- Is everything as we planned?
- There are 5 or 6 of them. I'm afraid they have guns. They aren't your direct enemies, you can do as you want, but make sure not to let them out alive. Have you prepared your favorite toy?
- Of course. Thank you for smuggling it to our country.
- The Sumadera family gave approval to us, however, when you finish the job, leave Japan. This time don't forget to buy a cup of ramen in Narita Airport.
- Ha-ha. I'll try to be more attentive this time. The job isn't hard.
- Yes, I suppose, you understand *it* too, right?
- *It*? What are you talking about?
- Joking apart... Well, it's not so important. You have never betrayed my expectations, and you are the only person who does job neatly. There are many different methods...
- Huh, I don't understand whatever you are implying.
- You know, Ange is a pitiful girl. Before she was just a girl from a rich family, who spent most of her time locked at home. But after Eva's death, we decided unanimously... Emperor is an important person... but in some cases... For the sake of world peace, okay?
- So, everything as we planned. I don't mind shooting Sumadera's bodyguards, but...
- No way, don't tell me you managed to *do it* with Ange?
- With that inexperienced girl? You're joking.
- Well, I don't mind you taking interest in women at last. But half of world's population are women. If you don't act shy, you'll find one or two.
- Excuse me, I think we'll have to stop gossipping. Ange has come here. I'll call you when we find a hotel in Niijima. Good bye.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023172
Jesus christ, they need to make a story with Juuza and Okonogi as the protagonists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023172
This makes me think that Juuza really killed Kasumi and left the country with Ange. He isn't such a bad person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023213
Well, he's either Kanon or Battler, course he's a decent bloke.
Wonder why he needs so much freaking money, though....

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023221
I'd prefer him not be Kanon, there should be a limit as to how many people taht body can be.
Also the grey hair and the cross, and all the traits that remind to Battler, like the laugh and engrish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023221
Too bad in this world Kanon declared dead in red and Battler is shot by Eva in the presence of the detective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023235
When did you fall under the illusion that episode 3 is the Rokkenjima of Ange's past?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023235
Too bad the perspective is shifted to a third person during Battler's death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023235
It's never stated anywhere that Jyuuza and Ange come from the third episode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023241
>>5023243
In which other episode Eva survived?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023275
Episode X.

Rokkenjima of Ange's past doesn't have to be any of the established gameboards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023282
It does. Otherwise those events didn't happen and her family returns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023313
Her Rokkenjima could have been a gameboard in which Rudolf and Kyrie died, but Eva, and also Battler and/or Kanon lived.

Infinite possibilites, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023322
Have you read ep4? Eva was the only survivor.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, it's explained that Kanon is a really good hunter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023335
Going under the assumption that Kanon and/or Battler is Juuza here, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023234

And thats why he is Kanon. Kanon imitades everything he learned from Shannon/Beatrice. especially the engrish as our actual gameboard Battler doesn't do hat anymore that's way he has to be someone different

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023406
If Kanon is a dude and not also Shannon and Beatrice... then he's one hell of a submissive punk, isn't he?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023511
He always was.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, I'd rather not accidentally turn this into a Shkanontrice debate, but I have to ask.

Someone posted a part of the script yesterday that had "I am the witch of truth, so maybe I can finally accept the truth about me" etc in it during the Shkanontrice debate.

Could someone repost that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023714
Archive exists for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023714

「私は、
……真実の魔女、古戸ヱリカ……。……真実の魔女とは、……真実に堪える

魔女、………です。……私はようや く、
……自分の本当の真実を、……受け入れられそうなんです………。」

"I am...
...the Witch of Truth, Furudo Erika.... ...The Witch of Truth is... a witch who can stand up to... the truth. I think I can finally...
...accept the real truth... about myself...."

ヱリカとベアトたち双方は、何も宣言し合わず、静かに真実の弾丸を装填す

る。
　……銃口に詰める真実の色は、双方、赤…。
　双方は何も言葉を交わさずとも、……互いが何を切り札にするか、@理解
しているというのか… …。

Erika and Beato said nothing to each other, silently loading bullets of truth.
...The truths they packed into the muzzles of their guns were both... red....
Did this mean that even though they hadn't exchanged words at all, ...they each knew what the other's trump card was...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023714
I don't have it on me, but boy was I pissed when I saw that. I'm pretty damn sure that the Shkanontrice people were actually one dude, because that little omission caused everyone to misunderstand the red text at the end.

The way that changes the meaning of the entire scene is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023775
It IS one dude. He even gloats about it from time to time.

[Anonymous No.]

Who are the fags saying Jessica was possessed?
She clearly made a contract with Ronove to get magical powers to kill Kyrie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023800
Don't the trap twins posess her first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023810
I haven't read a translation, but I do remember after Kyrie dies Jessica's face reverts to normal and she begins to cry.

So most likely, yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

＞purest character
>not Natsuhi

Oh you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023924
Punted two people off of a cliff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023937
The witch did it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023937
Allegedly punted two people off of a cliff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023937
She was being dellusional, that was Beatrice falling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023954
Natsuhi, desperate to have her own child, met young Beatrice in the forest. In time, Natsuhi thought of Beatrice as her own child.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023969
But the reason she punted the child(and servant!) off of the cliff was because she DIDN'T feel it was her child.

Your reasoning is a bit off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5023949
What, did she "metaphorically" kill her servant and the baby?

Both obviously existed, and both didn't afterwards....

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024002
One wouldn't know about the servant, but as for the baby, perhaps she did "metaphorically" kill it!

After all, this is Umineko, my good sir. Everything is a metaphor for something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024029
How does one metaphorically kill that baby?
By what, putting it up for adoption? That's retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

HOLY SHIT GUYS
I FIGURED OUT WHO MARIA'S FATHER IS!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024043
Well, perhaps changing the baby's name and identity would "kill" it. Suppose the baby's name was Battler, putting it up for adoption and naming it Yoshiya would kill it, in a sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024059
Yoshiya's "true" name is Yoshiya. I doubt very much that Kanon just floated to an orphange or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024043
Well, she only has been told that they died at hospital.
>When I spotted the two of them on the rocks below, ......I went pale.
>Then, I dashed back to the mansion......and there was a huge uproar.
>They took them to a hospital in a boat as soon as possible, ......but from that height, it was a miracle that they had even avoided an instant death.
Maybe someone actually survived.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024080
I very much doubt that. Besides, unless the baby is one of the known people, it makes no difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024094
I do wonder why everyone thinks that the second Battler has to be Kanon, Shannon and/or Beatrice. It could very well be Jessica, you know. Hell, she's the only one whose age matches up for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024100
Then Natsuhi is a lying bitch after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024100
Way I see it, is that it's rather irrelevant. With Kanon, Shannon, Jessica, they don't seem particularly vengeful towards Battler, so why would it matter if they happened to be his half sibling or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024130
NAH
NATSUHI IS A LIAR?

WHAT WILL YOU TELL ME NEXT, THAT KINZO IS ACTUALLY DEAD!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024100

Simple because if Kanon is actually Battler and the guy from 19 years ago than someone has a motive for shooting Natsuhi in Episode 1 and not only that he might harbour hatred for the family that's living all nice and happy while he got the shit furniture live even so he technical belongs to it. Also it would solve episode 6 logic error.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024137
You shut your whore mouth, Oba-san is pure and faithful..

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024135
With Kanon, the logic error in episode 6, and his suspicious actions in general.
With Jessica, well, it explains her actions, and also her and Kyrie's banana phone antics in episode 4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024157
She's pretty pure when it comes to not telling the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024172
Which other actions but the banana phone have to be explained? I mean except that she might be knowingly lying to Battler about Kinzo but that doesn't have anything to do with being siblings

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024182
Her messing with the bodies in episode 3, her scorpian charm antics in episode 1, Kinzo, and all that other good stuff. And I guess it goes without saying that she could use it as a parlor trick to avoid red text, kinda like the Shkanon crowd likes to do.

It's more of a WHY than a how. Why is Jessica being a jerk? Well, because she's the Second Battler.

Course, that's based on the assumption that the second Battler isn't dead in a ditch somewhere, but given that Meta-Beato knows about it, I'd say it's somewhat important.


But then again, could very well be Kanon also.
And also, could just be not important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024221
The second Battler was born from Asumu. How the fuck did he/she ended up in Natushi's family? Don't tell me that her real name is Asumu.

>Her messing with the bodies in episode 3
No big deal. Battler saw strangulation marks on their necks, stakes don't make difference.
>her scorpian charm antics in episode 1
No big deal. The marks on Natuhi's door are there even in ep2, without any scorpion charm.
>Kinzo
No big deal. Can be knowing and hiding with the rest or unknowing and repeating what mom told her to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5024281
Simple. Asumu's baby was given to Natsuhi because they needed a heir. That's how she ended up there(if she was the second Battler)

And once again, I said it could provide an explanation for her suspicious behavior, but no big deal, you can easily provide an alternate one as well.