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Why is Gilgamesh such a loser again?

>> No.4971796

Ego the size of a continent.

>> No.4971803

Not a loser, just not very bright.

>> No.4971808

He's just mad because Lancer is manlier than him and Fake Assassin is more fabulous

He just can't win

>> No.4971817

>>4971808
No, Gilgamesh is, by far, the most fabulous character in Fate.

>> No.4971824
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>>4971817
Yes

>> No.4971829

>>4971808
And Archer has more swords than him.

>> No.4971851
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>>4971817

I'm not so sure, his hair just can't match assassins

>> No.4971854

>>4971851
But Assassin can't match Gil's wardrobe.

>> No.4971871

Why are archers the best class in FSN again?

>> No.4971882
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>>4971871
Sabers are the best class.

Great Overall stats, resistance to magic. etc

>> No.4971910

They may as well just turn the grail war into russian roulette, since you either get Saber or you lose

>> No.4971932

>>4971910
Consider Shirou's Situation and how easy it is to get DEAD ENDS throughout the routes, especially early on the 'War'.

>> No.4971948

>>4971932

Thats because he's a 'special case'

>> No.4971958

>>4971948

Even then, Berserker was far more powerful than Saber in one-on-one combat.

The Holy Grail War has a lot of luck and strategy in it and it's easily possible to lose even if your servant is very strong. Having a strong servant just gives you more options; it doesn't eliminate all the ways to lose.

>> No.4971973

>>4971958

Yeah, Luck in summoning a servant that is Saber, Lancer or Archer or else you may as well just give up

>> No.4971993

>>4971973
Actually Caster and Assassin (classes in general, not Medea/Kojiro/Hassan) had a much greater chance of winning HF5 due to all Masters being women and children.

>> No.4972030

GOD TIER
Saber

HIGH TIER
Lancer
Archer

MEDIUM TIER
Berserker

LOW TIER
Rider

SHIT TIER
Caster
Assassin

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>>4971871
>>4971882
>>4971910
>>4971932

The only reason why Saber and her masters didn't lose, was because of the retarded codes of honor that certain Servants displayed. For instance, early on in Fate Zero, Rider could have wiped out both Lancer and Saber. Instead, he wanted to fight them fair and square, a duel between heroes. The other instance was when Kiritsugu battled against Kayneth. Lancer could have owned Kiritsugu big time, but the history repeated itself as Lancer stated that he would spare K.'s life only because he had "such a noble Servant". tl;dr. Fate Stay Night and Fate Zero are crammed with plot-haxes that would have brought victory in real-life combats.

>> No.4972065

>>4971993

>>Assassin ... had a much greater chance of winning HF5 due to all Masters being women and children.

FUCKING TRUE. Especially in Heaven's Feel scenario, in which Shirou and Rin were patrolling and Zouken was surveying them with True Assassin from a vantage point. TA could have killed them easily.

>> No.4972090

>>4972036
This is not exactly called Plot Hax.
It's commonly brought among games.
Like 'Two knights met honorably to arrange their duel.
When one turned his back, the other cut him down'.
That does not happen often.

>> No.4972107

The best servant was Lancer
The best character was Caster
The best waifu was Sakura
This is fact.

>> No.4972115

>>4972090
Not that guy but yeah, in fact that's something of a norm amongst more prominent heroic spirits and they intensely dislike people who resort to villainous methods to win like Kiritsugu. Kiritsugu was aware of that and even said if it was up to him he'd have liked summoning a Caster or Assassin.

Hell, HF4 Assassin was ridiculously broken and Kirei could've won easily if he cared about winning.

>> No.4972124

>>4972107
>The best waifu was Caster
Fixed.

>> No.4972129
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4972129

>LOW TIER
>Rider
>SHIT TIER
>Caster

Trying too hard, shitty troll.

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>>4972107

Caster is the best Servant, Character and Waifu

This is fact

>> No.4972150 [DELETED] 

Why are you such a newfriend again?

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4972160

One day, Caster will be as strong as the other servants

>> No.4972175 [DELETED] 

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>> No.4972190

>>4972129
I think he was trying to make a lowrider joke

>> No.4972204
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>>4972190

High stakes, low Rider

>> No.4972238

>>4972129
Caster is practically useless in a fight against high magic resistance Servants. She only had a chance of winning through trickery.

>> No.4972270

>>4972238
She's not weak, she's without a plot armor.

>> No.4972277
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4972277

I don't see why Caster didn't just level the entire city with her lasers

>> No.4972280

>>4972277
Limited Mana and Kuzuki

>> No.4972282

>>4972238
A win through trickery is still a win.
And refresh my memory: how many servents have said magic resistance?

>> No.4972291

>>4972270

True that, Nasu loves Saber and Rider and they have a lot of plot armour at times

>> No.4972296

>>4972282

All of them except Assassin have good magic resistance

>> No.4972294
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4972294

Caster was born for peaceful life and love, not for fate/stay.

>> No.4972305

>>4972277
She was too kind.

>>4972282
Saber completely, Lancer and Archer partially though they can both fuck up Caster pretty hard. Plus Medusa I think though it's not a class skill for Riders.

The problem is Masters don't have magic resistance and no matter how fast the Servant is, protecting the Master from long range death rays is hard work.

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>>4972291
>Rider
>plot armour
>armour also

>> No.4972312

>>4972282
My point is that it would be a lot harder for her to win and she can even be taken down in melee combat by a schoolgirl.

>>4972294
That barbarian child-murdering witch deserved to suffer.

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>>4972312
>That barbarian child-murdering witch deserved to suffer.

How rude, you uneducated peasant.
It was an accident!

>> No.4972334

>>4972306
>HF
>Correct spelling

>> No.4972338

>>4972332
No it wasn't.

>> No.4972346

>>4972312

Rin is no ordinary schoolgirl

She's a mary-sue

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>>4972338
No it was.

>> No.4972368

>>4972346
>mary-sue
>-
>Rin

Lurk more before postan something stupid, nerd.

>> No.4972374
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4972374

Control.

Gil needs his control. Once the walls start coming down, he's powerless to stop it - or rather while he may have the power, he won't be able to put it properly to use.

>> No.4972392

>>4972361
"My friends, I am resolved upon the deed; at once will I slay my children and then leave this land, without delaying long enough to hand them over to some more savage hand to butcher. Needs must they die in any case; and since they must, I will slay them-I, the mother that bare them."

>> No.4972401

>>4972374

♪Keshite
Riraito shite♪

>> No.4972400

>>4972368

How is Rin NOT a mary-sue?

She is a very highly skilled magus, while also being good at schoolwork and martial arts. She is also from a noble family, and very rich.

That sounds pretty mary-sue to me

>> No.4972426

>>4972400
She's poor.

>> No.4972445

>>4972426

She lives in a goddamn mansion

Thats enough asset's to make her rich

>> No.4972448

>>4972401
You know I am always seeing people sageing threads on /jp/, but I bet half of you don't even know what sage does. Sage doesn't down vote a thread like you think it does, it actually just makes it so that when you post your comment does not bump the thread your posting in. You know you try to sage to keep up your "image" but most if not all of us see right through what you are trying to do. So next time you try to post maybe try to spice it up with a little something different maybe, like you know maybe try age instead.

>> No.4972450

>>4972400
She doesn't know how to use a computer.

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>>4972400
>She is also from a noble family, and very rich.

AHHHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.4972460

>>4972450

Thats hardy crippling now is it

>> No.4972463

>>4972448

>Came from /r9k/

>> No.4972476

>>4972463
That's copy pasta...

>> No.4972486

>>4972453
>I'm the girl in the box
>Buried in my shit
>Won't you come and save me?
>Save me

>> No.4972496

>>4972486
[x] Shut the box

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>>4972445
If she's rich, why does she work as a maid for Luvia?

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>>4972497
Because maids always superior.

>> No.4972522

>>4972497
>I don't think any of that is canon you know

>> No.4972573

>>4972522
You don't say...

>> No.4972654

Rin is a fucking mary sue

Good looking, idol of the school, good grades, one of the finest magus in the world, has some plot hax, very good family.

What else do you need?

>> No.4972659

>>4972654
a huge cock

>> No.4972661

>>4972654
You don't even know what that means, Sion.

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>>4972659

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>>4972654
>one of the finest magus in the world

Too bad she is still inferior to Lorelei even though they are about the same age. As a magus Lorelei is almost on the same level as Original Roa.

>> No.4972769

>>4972661

VAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

>> No.4972783

>>4972238

Caster has far more powerful magic than most maguses.

Sure, Magic Resistance Rank A nullifies all magic below Rank A... but caster can cast Rank A magic without even saying one verse.

>> No.4972803

>>4972783
For all the good it did to her.

Did she beat even ONE person, though?

>> No.4972805

>>4972783

Is quickened Finger of Death A+ rank then?

>> No.4972859

>>4972803

Saber

>> No.4972880

>>4972859
ruru bureaka not A rank magic

>> No.4972882

Seems to me that the best strategy would be to just kill the masters. Consider GAY BULGE, which Saber only managed to dodge because of her high luck store. What if he had just used it on Shirou? Game set and match.

>> No.4972887

>>4972882
Good luck getting into range with an enemy servant at your back.

>> No.4972906

>>4972887
HF5 is full of retard Masters who run around without their Servants.

Shinji and Kotomine can pass because their schtick is no one knowing they are Masters but seriously, leaving Berserker home and running to town?

IIRC Even Kuzuki only went along with Caster's plan because Caster so insisted.

>> No.4972908

>>4972882
Servants don't usually have unlimited stores of mana, especially when their Master has two Servants, and knight class servants wouldn't bother using an actual Noble Phantasm against a mere human, even a magus.

Now, bring out Heaven's Feel or UBW Shirou, and Lancer might feel pressured enough to use a Phantasm. But Shirou as of the first time he meets Lancer? What a joke.

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>>4971791

>> No.4972917

>>4972908
It's more of a pride thing/specific to Lancer's orders to gauge enemy strength and retreat plus his desire to get a good fight instead of "Haha I stabbed your Master enjoy your mana suffocation", otherwise he has enough mana to Gae Bolg stab seven times in a row.

>> No.4972929
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>>4971910
Well, depends on the master. Like some Master's styles wouldn't fit a Saber class Servant. Not to mention most Saber class Servants would have honor shoved half way up their ass considering.

Yeah, it's nice to have a well balanced Servant, but not if they're not willing to do a lot due to honor.

Now, Archers on the other hand generally have multiple NPs and Independent Action. Now I can see why Independent Action can make some Masters leery. After all, if you die that Archer has a few days in some cases he can stick around before he has to find a new Master.

Lancers are quicker than Sabers, and even though they're not as balanced they're damned awesome. (And in a fight, I'd give it to Cu Culihian before King Arthur, seriously. Read their legends. Cu is MUCH more bad assed.)

And honestly, I wouldn't want a Saber who's good at only one type of range of combat. I'd take a Lancer or Archer any day. They'd be more versatile than "ARRGGG WITH MAH SWORD!"

>> No.4973113

>>4972803
Caster made Kotomine a run for his money.

Also vs. Archer

>> No.4973125

>>4972654
Being pretty is not that unique, 'idol' is a false image she keeps up(and being adnired by school sheeple is not that hard), whiel she is talented, at that point of the story is nowhere near the 'FINEST', and she has the opposite of plot armor.
She has 'plot screw up at critical points'.

Whatever reasons you may have for her sucking, 'Mary Sue' is not one.

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4973144

Caster can rape Saber

Discuss

>> No.4973170

>>4973144
not rider... shit sux

>> No.4973465

>>4972917
Right, Lancer is Lawful Neutral so he wouldn't want to use. But if shit was really hitting the fan I bet some masters would use a command spell to make him kill a master.

>> No.4973475

>>4973144

gonna need a source/link on that before it gets 404'd

>> No.4973517
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>>4973475
>>>/rs/mercyful+fate&from=ALL

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>>4973517
Best Harem

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>>4973113
Archer was just fucking around with her though. He could have owned her at any time during that fight actually. Hell, even when he was trying not to kill her, he almost did.

>> No.4976192

>>4973649

The whole of that fight was pure Archerwank at best

Still, it was in the Archer route, so thats not really suprising

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