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Ar Tonelico For Lazy People Pack™:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8M7BH61Q

Contains torrents for the games along with the emulator installer + plugins + bios.

And before someone asks again for the lossless albums:

AT - All: http://www.hongfire.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=116396&d=1240137696
AT2 - All: http://www.hongfire.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108204&d=1232984269
AT3 - OST: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=112183
AT3 - Hymmnos albums: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=111040

Thanks to Yuyucow and Anonymous in previous threads for digging up the links. Foobar can play the .tta files but if you feel like converting them to .FLAC or whatever for your MP3 player/Media player of choice then Foobar also provides an easy convert tool. Takes about a minute to convert the albums over to FLAC.

Right, continuing from previous thread.

>Where can we get Ar Tonelico figures from? All the ones from eBay I can find are from Hong Kong, and all the sites I can find with them have them listed as not coming back in stock.

Someone implied they had the answer.

>>4817598 was the previous thread, my mistake.

Also, pedos and sluts.

Have we found a source, or a high-res scan of this yet? Been posted in like 5 previous threads and nobody has mentioned either yet.

Did anyone ever have an idea why Shurelia didn't think it was strange that Aurica had a Hymn Code? Was it just an oversight on Shurelia's or the writer's part?

>>4846549

I seen one a few threads back but after taking a brief look through my browser history they all appear to be sold out again. You're still looking at least £60-70 to get your hands on one brand new though unfortunately. The guy in the previous thread should really haggle the price on that figure though, Ar Tonelico is such a niche series, especially in the UK and with a price tag that high I'm sure they'll never sell it.

>>4846573

I think it was just an oversight. You can clearly see her Hymn code is linked to Mir but nothing is mentioned about it.

>>4846569

None as of yet, as far as I know.

>>4846573
It could be any number of reasons. Writer oversight is unlikely given the fact it was deliberately put there as a major storyline element. It's possible she just over-looked it, it was an extremely stressful situation, she had more important things to worry about.

Shurelia is a bit of an airhead, so if it wasn't explicitly stated, we'll never know if it was part of some master plan, or if she was just being airheaded.

>>4846594
Not really a major storyline element though, was it? It's like they put it there then completely forgot about it.

>>4846642

I'd say it was pretty major, seeing as it is the first indicator to the player of the entire chain of events in Aurica's path.

>>4846649
Not in the English version.

Was it even mentioned that 3rd gen Reyvateils don't have hymn codes at any point before Purger, even in the Japanese version?

>>4846660

No, but it is more recognizably Mir's in the Japanese version. If they had localized the hymn codes to MIR/MISHA it would have been a better clue for English speakers.

>>4846667
I know it's Mir's in the Japanese version, I'm just wondering if even they'd pick up on the major point that a 3rd gen has a hymn code at that point in the game or not. Couldn't remember if that was said in-game or in one of the side books.

>>4846660

Nope, I'm the faggot posting AT1 screenshots and it hasn't been mentioned once. I didn't even know until I read your comment.

>>4846677

I dunno, it's possible.

My memory is pretty fuzzy about that series of events, though. Who was it that said something like "What, you don't even know your own hymn codes? Go dive and find out."? Was that Lyner's dad, Shurelia, or maybe Ayatane? I don't remember at all.

>>4846705

Lyner's father says that to Lyner when he doesn't know what their Hymn codes are or how to go about getting them. He then tells him to go to the dive shop and talk to the fag there to get them. Nothing is mentioned about 3rd gen reyvateils not having a hymn code.

>>4846711

You'd think that he would be aware of the fact as well, though. Maybe Platina has mostly β-reyvateils or something. Was Shurelia in the room at the time, or did they only run into her when they went to sing?

>>4846725

Shurelia wasn't there, she was at the altar with Ayatane trying to delay the virus until Lyner arrived with the Purger. And Misha states that she's the only β reyvateil remaining, or at least that's what Shurelia said to her. I dunno if that's bullshit or not, I'm just going by what I've read up to where I am so far.

>>4846738

Stranger and stranger. Oh well, I guess we won't ever know unless someone asks about it in the Toukousphere.

>>4846749
It's retconning time!

I seem to remember something being mentioned somewhere about 3rd generation Reyvateils occasionally getting registered with the tower upon birth as the result of some sort of glitch, but they only get the hymn code of a Reyvateil that's already registered, and it can cause problems.

Am I talking shit, or has this been mentioned somewhere? Could that be an explanation?

>>4846779
Found it, in the wiki:

>Third Generations do not have a Hymn Code, but they are still connected to the Tower and are able to sing Song magic, and can be as useful as any other Reyvateil. There are some exceptions, such as Reyvateils that have the Hymn Code of another Reyvateil because of a system error on the Song Servers, or Reyvateils that are using the β ER technique (the D Cellophane Grathnode Crystal).

Shurelia could have just thought it was this rare occurrence, and nothing was wrong.

Although it's far, FAR more likely the writers messed up.

>>4846533
Which one is XP and which one is Vista?

>>4846821
Speaking of this, OP isn't that image an heavy spoiler ?

>>4846850

I've no idea, I haven't played AT3 since I can't speak moon. I've got plenty of images of them and thought that the OP image was cute so I used it, my apologies if I spoiled something.

>>4846862
Oh well, by the time the game comes out people will have forgotten.

>>4846850
Don't think it's really a spoiler, it's not like they're anything important.

>>4846821
Vista is the blue one, XP is the pink one. Apparently there's several others, but they're not shown in-game.

They're pretty useless anyway.

Only good bit they have in the whole game is when Vista goes all HAL 9000 on Tilia.

>>4846869

I'll never forget them. ;_;

What? Harve-sama is Vista?

>>4846569
Who is this bandeged up cat girl, and can you make her your waifu.

I'm getting really interested in these games, I really wanna play the PS3 one when it comes out.
Is the plot really heavily related to the first two or could I just jump right in and not miss out too much?

In before someone complaining about Ar Tonelico threads while there are 8 Touhou threads on the front page.

>>4848081

You could play it on its own, but you would be missing out a lot. The story and setting is one of the main draws of the series.

>>4848082

Surprisingly we haven't had someone moan in these threads for quite some time.

>>4848185
Anonymous got sick of seeing Mir having her way with his meido.

I seem to recall Shurelia saying that there are a few more beta Reyvateils running around Platina, but probably none (except Misha) in the wings of Horus. Of course, it's possible that the ones in Platina are just previous Lune clones, and at one point she ALSO basically says "the tower is big, who knows, maybe there's another one out there somewhere".

Oh, Shurelia. I love you, but sometimes I wonder how the tower stays in order ...

>>4848326
>previous Lune clones
Unlikely. Lune lineage RTs' mission is to sing EXEC_CHRONICLE_KEY/. until their deaths.

>>4848364
Shurelia says in Toukousphere 17 that they only end up singing for about 20-40 years or so, and then spend the rest of their lives in Platina. Of course, Misha comes along at the beginning of the next one and totally goes off on Shurelia for saying that; Misha says they basically sing until they're used up, and the rest of their lives are probably not very fulfilling after that ...

Which makes sense, if you think about it. That wing of Horus was dropped about 400 years ago, and Misha is the 33rd Reyvateil in the Lune lineage. That gives you an average of 12 years per Hoshiyomi. So, it's true that they don't spend literally their entire lives in the Crescent Chronicle, but the quality of their remaining life is probably questionable, even if they're living in Platina.

I can't find exactly where I read how many Hoshiyomi there have been before Misha. I have a vague recollection Tastiella talks about it in another Toukousphere, but I can't find it off-hand.

>>4847986
Filament. She's one of Saki's personality changes, and she's absolutely delicious due to the fact she doesn't actually start off with cat ears and a tail, she GROWS them while she's stripping

is there a talk topic guild that just shows when they become available? Ive found some but they include transcripts of the topic as well.

What are the best Ar Tonelico 1 & 2 songs?

>>4849022
Gamefaqs has good talk topic guides for 1 and 2.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/932632/54480
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/939100/56100

>>4848185
Well, we do pretty much keep it to one thread, so there's not much to complain about outside the argument that it shouldn't be on /jp/, which is a pretty poor argument to make.

In other news, I'm not sure how I'm going to follow these threads for a year and not have AT3 spoiled to hell and back by the time I get to playing it.

GET THIS SHIT OUT OF HERE, TAKE IT TO /v/

I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF YOUR BULLSHIT

I PUT UP WITH IT FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS WITHOUT A WORD, BUT I REACHED MY LIMIT I FUCKING HATE ALL OF YOU

GET THIS BULLSHIT OFF OF /jp/ YOU PATHETIC FAGGOTS

I MAD

>>4849608
wwwwww

>>4849608
Deep breaths, Anonymous, deep breaths

Saki's Hymn Code is SAKIA_FEHU_TILIA_HARVESTASYA

>>4849631
and why is that anyway? shouldn't it be SAKI_FEHU_TILIA_HARVESTASYA? and what teh hell is gamma sublimated?! ARGH

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>>4849819

Now who said Saki was her real name?

>>4849819
It means Sakia Rumei is her REAL personality, and Saki is actually one of the alternate personalities

>>4849610
>>4849615

Looks like I missed something. What happen?

>>4849999
Fake whining. It was amusing, but inflammatory.

>>4846535
Would an integrated graphics card like G45/G43 be enough to run AT/AT2 on emulators? Disgaea was the only game that runs flawlessly for me, so far.

>>4850521
Probably. with the exception of the world map the game is entirely 2D.

That said, the world map may be excruciatingly slow.

>>4849819
Shit, I spent 5 minutes reading about that last night and now I forgot what it meant.

>>4850961
Thanks Wikipedia that it has a mini glossary about the terms, can't see shit in economy mode.

The sublimated gamma body is a special RT conceived to counter the antibody brain by singing EXEC_FLIP_ARPHAGE/.

>>4850011

Obligatory image.

So moe.

Alright, time to get back to my AT1 playthrough. I still feel kinda bad for ditching Aurica though. ;_;

Any scans of the AT3 artbook/ material book yet?

This thread needs Cocona

>>4854782
it's even more fun if you ditch her at the very end of game for shurelia.

These truly are the new Rika/idol threads, I see.

>>4854979

That sounds even worse. At least I broke it off with her before we got 'too close'. I still dived into her as far as I could go though.

>>4854995

Oh no! People are discussing something they enjoy, FUKKEN SAGE.

in at1 you can dive into everyone all the way though.

So what's a good starting point for this game? I have a low budget
I've heard 2 is better, but I don't really wanna miss out on important things that might be in 1, then again, if I could just read the wikipedia article and enjoy 2, then well yeah.

if you're playing it on a real ps2:
1) buy swapmagic
2) download and burn games
3) use swapmagic to boot pirated cds
4) ??????
5) free game + profit

>>4855246
That's the thing, my DVD burner has been broken since 2005.

>>4855240

You don't have to play the first one to get the second one. You'll miss a bit of Jacqli's background, but aside of that it's two completely different stories.

well a new one is very cheap these days.

>>4855254
you'll also miss out on delicious shurelia.

>>4855261

She's not that good.

>>4855246
>1) buy swapmagic
>buy
Hahaha, oh wow.

Again
Who is this bandaged up cat girl, and can you make her your waifu?

>>4855246

You forgot choke on a million dicks.

>>4855270
kind of hard to run a pirated cd on a non-hacked ps2 without a swap magic dvd.

>>4849070

None. They're all shit compared to the Ar Tonelico 3 soundtracks.

>>4855315

I fucking hate that swap magic and magic slide shit.... I used it for a while but it made me rage so hard that I just bought an NTSC-J PS2. I don't really care about being able to play burned copies, but I do care about playing import discs.

>>magic slide
lol. if you have a slim ps2 there's none of that.

slim has a bunch of plastic squares you push into few places to block out all of the sensors, and then you can safely open the cd anytime you want without it stopping.

>>4855240

Can't you emulate it? Works out cheaper for you and means you can play both the games, assuming you have a computer that isn't 10 years old. But as mentioned you wont miss much apart from some information on the game like what Reyvateils are etc.

>>4855285

see >>4848614.

>>4849070

It's all preference really, just download the Hymmnos albums and give them a listen. They're all in the second post of the thread.

>>4855321

AT3's Hymmnos albums were mildly disappointing after AT2. KOKIA's tracks are very nice and so are some of Akiko Shikata's but there's just not as many good and memorable songs on it, in my opinion. Having shit like EXEC_EP=NOVA/. doesn't help either.

>>4855267

They're all good. In before idort.jpg

>>4855285
I told you here >>4848614

>>4855353

I do, and it was still a pain. Maybe I'm just fucking lazy.

>>4855341

get a modchip, it cost a bit, but region free is a bliss
also simply burning and playing > swap magic

>>4855722
Eh, you don't even need it. ESR or HDLoader are easy enough. Well, if you have a fat PS2 still anyway. I have HDLoader, managed to get a 400GB IDE drive that is compatible with the PS2 for like $40 on newegg, it's a bit of a pain to install the games, but not TOO much, and once you do you don't have to worry about it anymore. A few games are incompatible, but very few are incompatible with ESR, so just use that for those. Just need a swapmagic or something similar to do the initial install of FMCB, then you're good to go.

Well, I say it's a pain because it tends to take a long time (games transfer at like 600-1200 kb/s over network, sometimes even slower if you're doing it over wifi or something) but the process itself is pretty simple.

>>4855396
Oh thank you, sorry...

Everyone here owns a modchiped PS2, I don't get why it's so unpopular in the US...

I probably would, but softmodding it is easy enough that I've never had a need to.

>>4856084
Limited print run/availability, no advertising, late PS2 release JRPG

when do you get to install into misha?

>>4856084
It requires at least basic soldering skills, which most Americans don't have, and it's illegal for shops to do it, so few advertise.

>>4857038
I hate this grouping. I know it's done based on the fact their singer is the same, but Finnel is the best choice of the two main Reyvateils in her game, whereas Aurica and Luca are just... Just awful.

>>4857270

Aurica isn't terrible.

>>4857687
She is. She's whiny, needy, and overall comes across as an emo ****. Too close to a real girl who always complains about he looks, even though she's gorgeous.

>>4857911
Oui, the "she's to real" argument.

If I ever hear that argument against a fictional character again it will be too soon. Do the people who make these arguments honestly want the characters to be completely divorced from reality?

>>4857945
Frankly, yes.

The whole reason we play Galge is that we think real women are bitches. Anything too close to reality is bad because it takes us out of our comfort zone.

>>4857911

What the fuck do you want from her? Her village burned down and she lost most of what she had at a young age. She's considered a low class Reyvateil and can't even get a partner so she's effectively 'useless' and forced to do shitty jobs nobody wants by herself. Just because Lyner arrives on the scene doesn't make everything magically fine. You can call her an emo bitch all you want, I personally think she's cute and shy in expressing her feelings because she's used to being alone.

Aurica's real problems are her irrationality, possessiveness, and bipolar tendencies.

>>4857955
*sigh* I suppose that's a fair point.

Still bothers me every time someone makes the argument, though. It screams of a lack of hope; a cry of defeatism. That's even ignoring the broad brush silliness of "all women are bitches".

>>4858024

Aren't all video games an escape, to some degree? It's not significantly more pathetic than the escapism in any other genre. It might be less macho to pretend to be a guy in a relationship with a sane woman rather than a steroid-infused soldier or something, but it's played for the same reason.

>>4858060
It's a matter of degree, yes. From my perspective, to need a character to be as unrealistic as the argument commands, it seems like the person making the argument is already "too far gone". It's my pity reaction that I detest.

>>4858003
She should have been a genki-girl who always works hard and does her best, and always seems cheerful.

Then has a massive breakdown and becomes violent yandere.

>>4858098
If I wasn't too far gone, would I be sat in my room at 2:10AM on a Saturday night, playing a galge?

>>4858171
Well, I suppose not. But less whining about how pitifule we are, MOAR SHURELIA

Is it supposed to be EORIA or EOLIA? I've seen them both, even if official materials.

>>4858341
Ye olde L/R translation funtime special. Personally I'd say EOLIA

Oh boy, Off topic image spam.

NOFUNZONE.jpg

>>4858341
It's supposed to be "Eternal Sixteen".

>>4858341

Take your pick. It's supposed to have the same ending as the other goddesses, as we have seen from the Toukosphere, but one is translated Tyria and the other is translated Frelia. Welp.

>>4858476
Tilia is romanised in-game in AT3 as Tilia, even if they messed up in AT1, so I think we'll be going for Eolia.

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Best Purginist Mir.

Goro nya?

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Where did Jacqli get Teiwaz from when she changed it anyway?

>>4858628
Mr. Google says that the Norse rune Teiwaz is known as Tyr in English, which makes a lot of sense given what one Anon said in a previous thread about Mir being seen as a reincarnation of Tilia back in the second age. Unfortunately, the Toukouspheres and settei books don't seem to come right out and say.

>>4858688
Oh, Fehu is a rune too, so yeah.

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cirno

GO MAID GO

cirno

A certain /jp/ autistic probably liked how the OP had blue hair and wings. You know how obsessed he is with Cirno.

You guys are such fucking pedophiles. Oh my fucking god.

>>4860510

Nothing wrong with flat-chested girls.

>>4860510

You're new here, it seems.

>>4860510

>>4860566
Yeah, I normally post on /b/, but I thought I'd check this place out for a change of pace.

>>4860577

Am I the only one who likes Infel here? Her personality is really lovely.

>>4860632
She's a slut.

>>4860632

I'm with you there, Infel is definitely awesome.

>>4860632
>Infidel

>>4860577
Didn't you know? Five years ago, your precious /b/ was a haven for pedos. And not like us, I mean real pedos, those who hump real children.

>>4859570
Oh hi Frelia, what are you do-HNNNNNNNNGGGGG

>>4860632
I didn't like her as much as the main characters, but she's interesting. She's quite a sympathetic character, when you hear about her motivations. Also, she has nice legs.

>>4860632
I wouldn't mind an AU side-game game about her to be honest

>>4861380
Well what really made me like her was her antics in Cloche's Cosmosphere, I actually like those jokes she tells, like "RUKA, IRUKA?", etc.

>>4861025
>infeldel

>>4861287

HHHNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Infel does have a very delicious and cute voice

>>4861737
It's not that the jokes are bad, but... I don't know... they feel cold, and sad.
Like I just want to facepalm against a wall for a minute or two.

>>4858323
God damn it stop posting that wallpaper, it's so bad.

>>4863056

I'm not fond of it either.

>>4863056
It would be better if it lost the foreground shurelia.

cirno

I see we have a spammer on our hands. Meido will be here soon.

>>4863649
how the hell do you browse the internet on that thing?

>>4863665
Hmm? I do what everyone else does?

>>4863669

He's probably talking about your tiny resolution.

>>4863704
I'm talking about the clutter.

>>4863649

LOL TOR.

Is KoG buttmad about something again

>>4863742
Thanks for reminding me. I don't even have Tor installed anymore. Tried using it and the network is just too goddamn slow to do anything.

>>4863728
Personally I don't think it's that cluttered. I normally have just firefox open. Though the imacro button can go away since I don't use it much.

what the fuck are those viruses attached to Cirno?
my comp saves the pics as folders instead.

>>4863785

Yeah, my setup is nearly identical to yours in terms of browser+addons, yet no one in their right mind would call it cluttered. You just have a tiny resolution.

>>4863829

Noscript and grease monkey?

>>4863829
I just have a small monitor. I'm not complaining though, because I got it for free. LCD btw.

Cleaned it up a bit.

Christ, that is a lot of spam.

If you've got the games on disks, how much effort would be required to rip them to your PC and play them through the emulator? Want to play them on my laptop.

>>4863848

Why not? NoScript doesn't interfere with Greasemonkey. Obviously, I trust the code that I inject into the browser myself.

Anyway, what is up with the spam? Is it just the usual gb2/v/ bullshit, or what?