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Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:24:04 2010 No.4705040 [Reply] [Original]

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:28:04 2010 No.4705061 wow, they sure are lazy...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:28:04 2010 No.4705064 Goddamn, 6% already? Last time I bothered to check it was only 3%. Going at the speed of light

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:29:04 2010 No.4705068 >>4705061 I don't blame them, I can't read any more of this shit myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:30:04 2010 No.4705070 They better hurry up if they want to meet my deadline

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:30:04 2010 No.4705071 Why are these guys so slow? They're going at a rate of like 2% a month. At this speed it'll be like 4 years before it's out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:31:04 2010 No.4705077 >>4705064 3% in 3 months is progress? You from the moon or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:31:04 2010 No.4705078 Less Beato, more Mary Sue = Slow translation

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:33:04 2010 No.4705088 They're too busy solving the mystery. Nanjo's Grandaughter is the culprit, you know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:33:04 2010 No.4705095 >>4705040 God damn these guys are slow. It only took them 4 months to translate the last one, and now it's been 3 month's and they aren't even a tenth of the way there?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:34:04 2010 No.4705105 FUCK THIS SHIT I'M LEARNING JAPANESE

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:35:04 2010 No.4705118 >>4705105 I'd just use a dictionary like rikaichan or atlus or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:46:04 2010 No.4705210 >>4705118 >atlus I hope you meant atlas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:56:04 2010 No.4705284 >>4705210 of course I do

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:58:04 2010 No.4705303 In all seriousness, what the hell is taking so long this time around? I'm hoping that they're just not updating the site.

>>	Sakura !!32RHYzwb/Ga Mon Mar 22 21:59:04 2010 No.4705314 >>4705303 Because they figure they have until August so they can take as long as they want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 21:59:04 2010 No.4705318 >>4705303 They're taking it easy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:00:04 2010 No.4705323 I'm anticipating a June release, like Alliance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:00:04 2010 No.4705325 >>4705303 Hiatus I think Also Apparently chrontrig wants to make episode 5 work with ponscript so he can change Dlanor's talking to make more sense in the translation by using a different font.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:00:04 2010 No.4705326 File: 124 KB, 310x235, GeForceRave.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Meanwhile at witch hunt

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:01:04 2010 No.4705334 >>4705325 It makes perfect sense as long as you're not a retard. What a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:02:04 2010 No.4705337 >>4705325 Makes sense I suppose. They were talking about how they wanted to wait for ep6 to finish ep5 translations. It's a bit disappointing though, but I guess we can wait an extra month or so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:02:04 2010 No.4705339 >>4705325 That's pointless. We all know that her desus and katakana-ing are supposed to make her sound robotic, we got that. We know what she's not yelling at the end of every sense, why is there even a fuss over it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:02:04 2010 No.4705345 >>4705325 linky http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=65140&page=184

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:03:04 2010 No.4705350 >>4705339 *Not yelling at the end of every sentence, pardon me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:06:04 2010 No.4705363 >>4705325 They should finish actually translating the game before worrying about details like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:07:04 2010 No.4705373 >>4705339 I thought it was to make her sound like a foreigner, not robotic :V

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:07:04 2010 No.4705376 >>4705363 Are you talking about Ep.5? Assuming you are, IIRC, they wanted to hold back on releasing Ep.5 but decided to release it since everyone else didn't care about the minor details that Witchhunt wanted to fix.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:07:04 2010 No.4705377 >>4705363 >We might be moving over to the Ponscripter system sooner or late Is all he said. It really doesn't sound like that is causing translation to be halted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:09:04 2010 No.4705391 >>4705377 He obsesses over Nanjo being his own granddaughter when she hasn't even been given a name yet. I wouldn't put it past him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:10:04 2010 No.4705399 >>4705391 >I wouldn't put it past him. you fucker

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:14:04 2010 No.4705434 >>4705118 How do you use rikaichan with visual novels?

>>	Sakura !!32RHYzwb/Ga Mon Mar 22 22:15:04 2010 No.4705439 >>4705434 Use a text hooker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:16:04 2010 No.4705445 >>4705391 It's going to be so hilarious when he's proven right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:18:04 2010 No.4705461 >>4705434 Actually I'd like to know too. I have AGTH so I can get the Japanese, but I don't know if rikaichan would be that good at translating since it doesn't have a clipboard to edit everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:19:04 2010 No.4705474 >>4705445 I bet witch hunt is the culprit. Think about it. They beleive a witch did the murders right? So they have a vested interest in hiding the truth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:21:04 2010 No.4705499 >>4705474 Well, it sounds like they've solved the game already: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2967015#post2967015

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:22:04 2010 No.4705504 >>4705474 How would they benefit from the murders aside from possibly getting some cult artifacts Kinzo may have owned?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:22:04 2010 No.4705508 Oh, that witch hunt

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:22:04 2010 No.4705514 >>4705499 Ryukishi said that himself in the interviews. That doesn't mean he's solved anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:23:04 2010 No.4705521 >>4705514 Doesn't sound that way from his next posts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:25:04 2010 No.4705533 File: 170 KB, 640x480, save_us_Bernkastel!.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] MEANWHILE AT WITCH HUNT

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:27:04 2010 No.4705549 >>4705521 How so? All he said after that was that there is some truth in the fantasy scenes. And we already knew that already.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:29:04 2010 No.4705569 >>4705549 Well, reading between the lines, it's pretty obvious that he THINKS he's solved everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:31:04 2010 No.4705585 So when a group translates 5 works at fast rates with good quality they are considered fast, but when their sixth one don't go as fast, their previous works are forgotten and all of a sudden the group is considered slow and bad?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:31:04 2010 No.4705590 >>4705549 So, uh, Jessica has a demon side that loves delicious kentucy fried Kyrie?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:32:04 2010 No.4705603 >>4705590 Kentucky, I meant. >>4705585 Well, it's more or less the whole keeping people out of the loop, and the arbitary update phases. Plus it's the internet, we expect instant gratification.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:32:04 2010 No.4705604

>>4705569
Well the point of his Nanjo = his own grandaughter theory was originally to explain why 07151129 was written on the wall. He believed that Nanjo was the only person who could have done it, and somehow it led to THAT.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2854680&postcount=5060

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:33:04 2010 No.4705610 >>4705585 They are considered slow and bad right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:35:04 2010 No.4705634 >>4705604 Funny, I remember that dude scoffing at any kind of Jessica involvement, and yet you tell me he thinks Nanjo is his own grandfather? Wut?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:37:04 2010 No.4705643 >>4705634 When did that ever happen?

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:40:04 2010 No.4705668

>>4705643
Awhile back. Like three months ago, when the Shkanontrice versus Moon-chan stuff was in full force.

The dude maintained that Jessica was completely ignorant of anything, even going to say that episode 4 was someone impersonating her voice on the phone.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:40:04 2010 No.4705673

>>4705634
uh....granddaughter dude not grandfather.

His excuse for her dressing up as him is that they teach acting and voice acting at the fukuin house. no evidence at all btw.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=83581&page=337

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2964237&postcount=6725

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:45:04 2010 No.4705710 >>4705673 Boy howdy. I suppose this just goes to show that translation talent =/= common sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:46:04 2010 No.4705720 http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2968498#post2968498 So he has found a solution that explains everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:49:04 2010 No.4705745 >>4705720 It's a mix between Shkanontrice and Nanjo granddaughter is the second culprit theory. It hardly explains everything, but he's too high to admit it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:51:04 2010 No.4705774 >>4705745 Well, he's deleted two of his posts. One of them was up for a while, and it had a pretty convincing argument that Fukuin was a school for training actors. Looks like he's decided to keep his answer secret.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:51:04 2010 No.4705777 Actually, it's supposed to make her sound like she likes DEATH and MASS. And she does. She's a heavenly DEATH dealer, after all. I'm sure she attends MASS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:53:04 2010 No.4705797 File: 153 KB, 640x480, Dlanor - red rant of death.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Nanjo's granddaughter

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:54:04 2010 No.4705799 >>4705774 So what's his opinion on Doubletrice?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:54:04 2010 No.4705803 >>4705797 Actually, Lambda is supposed to be Nanjo's granddaughter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:54:04 2010 No.4705805 >>4705720 Interesting Jessica theory I saw there. Jessica DID seem to immediately blame Beatrice for that murder in episode 2, funny, because Jessica usually accuses other people....

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:55:04 2010 No.4705810 >>4705803 But Lambda is Satoko.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:55:04 2010 No.4705817 >>4705799 SHH, BRO, SHH. WE GOTTA WAIT UNTIL EPISODE 7 BEFORE WE BEGIN THE REVOLUTION.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:56:04 2010 No.4705827 >>4705803 But Nanjo is Takano's grandfather....

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:57:04 2010 No.4705834 At least his theory is more believable and less of a cop-out than Shkannon. You really can't judge him, /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:57:04 2010 No.4705835 >>4705805 FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCC CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING MOON-CHAN!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:57:04 2010 No.4705838 >>4705834 His theory is Nanjo is his own Grandaughter WITH Shkanon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:58:04 2010 No.4705845 >>4705838 Correction: Shkanontrice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:58:04 2010 No.4705846 >This solution can be both reached and confirmed using only the question arcs. >and confirmed

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:59:04 2010 No.4705854 >>4705827 Takano's grandfather was dead by the time the 1980s rolled around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 22:59:04 2010 No.4705856 >>4705805 Jessica? Trolling? What's next, the sky is blue?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:00:04 2010 No.4705863 >>4705856 Sometimes it's indigo or a very light shade of purple.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:01:04 2010 No.4705870 >>4705854 But Umineko isn't the same universe...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:01:04 2010 No.4705874 >>4705805 God damn, she does seem to tend to lead people to their deaths, doesn't she?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:02:04 2010 No.4705880 So does he say "Nanjo is dead" mean the "Nanjo" who is the real Nanjo and not in the island is dead, not the Nanjo who is secretly the little girl?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:03:04 2010 No.4705885 Teatrice is the only true theory.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:04:04 2010 No.4705889 >>4705885 I like the theory that everyone is Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:04:04 2010 No.4705891 >>4705817 Christ, you crazy Doubletrice bastards, the fuck is wrong with you people?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:06:04 2010 No.4705903 >>4705889 What was the progression of theories again? Shannontrice/Shkanontrice -> Jessitrice -> Fusiontrice -> Doubletrice -> Tripletrice -> Everybodytrice?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:07:04 2010 No.4705910 >>4705880 In his theory Nanjo dies at the start of all games and Nanjo's granddaughter disguises as him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:08:04 2010 No.4705915 What the fuck? What happened to the mystery being solvable with EP1-4's information? His granddaughter was like mentioned only once in EP1-4... EP3 - "Oh I have a granddaughter, please don't kill me!"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:08:04 2010 No.4705923 >>4705915 And then in Episode 4, when Nanjo's son confirmed that his daughter (i.e. Nanjo's granddaughter) died at some point after the Rokkenjima incident.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:09:04 2010 No.4705927 >>4705915 She was mentioned once in episode 4 too. She had some sort of incurable disease. You can get around his hack theory though by saying that the story has never called her by name therefore she was never truly introduced into the story.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:09:04 2010 No.4705928

>>4705903
It went from
Pony - Someone is Piece Beato
but then that didn't make any sense, she couldn't exist on the island.

Shkanontrice - Ah, so THAT'S why Shannon and Kanon have chats with Beato.

But then the law of unintended consequences gave birth to Moon-chan.

And so the Shkanontrice Moon-chan combo was intact, but there were purists who argued that Jessica was totally unaware that her boyfriend was actually her best friend.

That led to the consideration of Jessica also being FUCKING CRAZY, which led to Fusiontrice, which led to Doubletrice, and the buck stops there, really, all the other theories are just kinda jokes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:09:04 2010 No.4705929 >>4705923 That's it, Umineko solved. Go home.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:10:04 2010 No.4705935 >>4705928 No, I'm pretty sure this moon-chan bullshit is the biggest joke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:10:04 2010 No.4705937 File: 34 KB, 657x492, umineko.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Poor Beato. What started out as a simple mystery story ended up.... where we are now

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:12:04 2010 No.4705949 File: 199 KB, 640x480, areyoufrustrated.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4705935

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:12:04 2010 No.4705950 I think I'll stick with Kanonzo, personally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:13:04 2010 No.4705956 >>4705935 I don't know. Jessica has a bunch of stuff to answer for. Episode 4 being one of the more blatant examples.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:14:04 2010 No.4705965
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>>4705935
It really isn't. There are too many instances of Jessica doing sketchy things. And then there's this, which is what caused the creation of the nickname "Moon-chan". Having this tarot card pretty much confirms that Jessica is fucking sketchy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:14:04 2010 No.4705967 >>4705928 Shkanontrice was a joke theory until people started taking it seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:14:04 2010 No.4705970 >>4705965 Why do we count who gets which tarot card as evidence for anything?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:15:04 2010 No.4705979 >>4705967 >Shkanontrice was a joke theory until Ryukishi epic trolled everybody. Fixed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:15:04 2010 No.4705981 >>4705967 Actually, no. It was what 2ch and /jp/ actually thought after episode 6.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:16:04 2010 No.4705987 File: 52 KB, 520x698, 1249221632792.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4705965 >>4705956 >>4705949 JESSICA? I WOULDN'T HAVE GUESSED. I MEAN BEATO'S CLOTHES IN EP2 LOOKED AWFULLY FAMILIAR

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:16:04 2010 No.4705988

>>4705970
Because all the others have matched up to their corresponding characters to some extent? Beato's is the most blatant, but the others are often quite fitting as well (for example, Maria getting the Sun, Kyrie getting High Priestess, Kanon getting Hanged Man, etc.).

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:16:04 2010 No.4705990 >>4705979 Shkanontirce didn't even exist as a theory before episode 6. Fuck, after episode 5 but before episode 6 Shkanon wasn't a theory either. So it was never a joke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:16:04 2010 No.4705991 >>4705970 Well, the cards shouldn't be definitive evidence, true, but ya'll niggers weren't complaining about the other ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:17:04 2010 No.4705996 >>4705981 well Shkanon theory at least has been around since episode 2. Shkanontrice is just ridiculous though. Why can you have Kanon personality figure as person but not Beatrice personality?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:17:04 2010 No.4705998 >>4705987 Jessica doesn't wear boots, though, and I'm pretty sure she doesn't wear striped socks. ...In fact, the only other person I can think of who wears striped socks is... Kanon... Hm...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:18:04 2010 No.4706002 >>4705987 NAH BUT THINK ABOUT IT. IN EPISODE 4 SHE'D HAVE TO SOMEHOW CHANGE INTO A NEW JACKET. WHERE WOULD SHE FIND A CHANGE OF CLOTHES IN HER ROOM? AND HOW COULD SHE GET TO THE BALCONY LOCATED RIGHT BY HER ROOM IN TIME?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:18:04 2010 No.4706006 >>4705998 Same color of socks, too. Suit Beato = Kanon's cosplay attempt after sniffing milady's clothes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:19:04 2010 No.4706008 >>4706002 BUT THE SAME THING APPLIES TO SHANNON, WHO WAS OUT BY THE WELL IN HER MAID OUTFIT WITH A LARGE PORTION OF HER HEAD MISSING

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:19:04 2010 No.4706010 >>4706002 the balcony is on the third floor jack ass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:20:04 2010 No.4706016 >>4706010 Wrong, second floor, where Jessica's room is. That's always been the weird thing. It SHOULD really have been the third floor but it wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:20:04 2010 No.4706017 >>4706010 I said right by her room, my good sir, I did not say on the same floor. Reading comprehension, I suggest you learn it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:21:04 2010 No.4706022 >>4706010 Actually, if I recall correctly, the balcony is on the second floor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:23:04 2010 No.4706028 >>4705998 >>4706002 >>4706006 >>4706008 Soooo... at this point, Kanon is pretty much confirmed to be Beatrice. The question now is, is anyone else Beatrice as well?

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:23:04 2010 No.4706031

ITT people bitching about Witch Hunt not updating their site on 4chan instead of posting it on Animesuki where they'd be more likely to pay attention.

Seriously, why doesn't everyone just set aside their Animesuki bias for a second, go over to Animesuki and post 'hey Witch Hunt, please update your site with the percentage you're currently at'?

I'm sure they wouldn't ignore 30 people all asking the same thing.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:23:04 2010 No.4706032
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>>4706022
>>4706017
>>4706016
>>4706010
>>4706008
>>4706006
>>4706002
>>4705998

Wow I can't believe no one noticed...

I knew I wasn't going crazy..

I mean, Beato's change of clothes had to have a significance right? Especially since, if I remember, Ep2 was all the lover stuff :V

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:24:04 2010 No.4706039

>>4706002
I suppose you make a good point. But once again, I must stress the fact that Shannon must have been the one to put Jessica on ice.
After all, we know Shannon used an elaborate suicide ploy to get rid of the guns(instead of, you know, throwing them into the ocean like a sane person)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:25:04 2010 No.4706047 End of episode 4 is like and then there were none.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:25:04 2010 No.4706050 >>4706028 Kanon has always been confirmed to be Beatrice. This is just trying up the mystery of the dress Beato and the suit Beato. Who very well may be Kanon and Jessica. Goddamn I love theorizing.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:26:04 2010 No.4706052

>>4706032
The interesting thing about Episode 2 is that suit Beatrice and dress Beatrice show up at different times. For example, when Beatrice talks to Kanon outside Jessica's room, it's suit Beatrice, but when she appears inside the room, it's dress Beatrice.

That had led me to speculate that suit Beatrice and dress Beatrice were actually representing two different individuals in that Episode or something.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:26:04 2010 No.4706056

>>4706031
Back before EP5 was released, somebody from Witch Hunt said they don't update the percentage that often because the work is farmed out to several different people, and it's a pain in the ass to figure out what the percentage actually is at any given time.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:27:04 2010 No.4706061

>>4705927
>>4705923

So basically, a character who didn't show up in the beginning of the story (never showed up at all, doesn't even have a sprite), with character development of two lines...is suppose to be the culprit...

and to Battler, he doesn't even know that she died after the Rokkenjima incident, being information from outside the gameboard and all...

So the translator believes that even Battler came to the conclusion that the culprit is Nanjo's granddaughter? lol what?

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:27:04 2010 No.4706062

>>4706039
Unless Shkanon is untrue and Kanon killed one or both of them.

Heh... Shannon kills Jessica, Kanon kills Shannon, Kanon jumps off a cliff after Battler can't remember his promise. (Or Jessica kills Shannon, Kanon kills Jessica, and then cliffjump.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:27:04 2010 No.4706067 >>4706052 Actually, isn't it suit Beatrice who enters the room, and then she magically changes into dress Beatrice? But considering all the magic is bullshit, it may amount to the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:28:04 2010 No.4706075 Kanon = dress Beatrice, for sure. Because of the end of episode 1. Makes sense if suit Beatrice is simply Jessica. After all I still can't imagine Kanon tricking Battler into thinking he's a blond woman he's never met before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:28:04 2010 No.4706076 Easy way to get rid of Kanon in Beatrice outfit: shoot her and stuff her in the boiler.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:28:47 2010 No.4706074 [DELETED]

>>4706063
At the very end of the Episode, after Battler becomes furniture, there's a description of a scene where suit Beatrice has Battler undress her and put the dress on her. But if you think about it, that in itself makes the whole suit Beatrice/dress Beatrice thing previously in the Episode even more suspicious.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:29:04 2010 No.4706078

>>4706067
I don't believe so. However, at the very end of the Episode, after Battler becomes furniture, there's a description of a scene where suit Beatrice has Battler undress her and put the dress on her. But if you think about it, that in itself makes the whole suit Beatrice/dress Beatrice thing previously in the Episode even more suspicious.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:30:04 2010 No.4706083
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>>4706062
The Doubletrice bros may have figured it out, slightly. Note well, two Beatos here. Dress Beato and Suit Beato. At first, we assumed it was Meta and Piece, but if you think about it, it could really mean that Beato A is done(aka DEAD), and that Beato B is going to clean this shit up.

Also, once again. One is Suit Beato, one is Dress Beato.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:31:04 2010 No.4706092

>>4706075
The only solutions to episode 4's red about Kanon's death in episode 1 is either "Nanjo actually saved Kanon from death and he was an accomplice who pretended Kanon died. Or one of the dead people killed Kanon like Battler suggested. So if Nanjo actually managed save Kanon your theory works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:31:04 2010 No.4706094 >>4706061 Yeah, but Nanjo is the first character shown in the entire game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:31:04 2010 No.4706095 >>4706083 It makes sense, but what exactly is their motive for working together?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:32:04 2010 No.4706096 >>4706083 And from Episode 6, while it might not be a direct clue, the fact that one of the two Meta Beatos represents the legend of the witch while the other one is the Beatrice created to love Battler makes you think about things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:32:04 2010 No.4706102 >>4706083 FUCK YEAH DOUBLETRICE BROFIST TO THE DOUBLETRICE BROS HERE TONIGHT

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:32:46 2010 No.4706100 >>4706092 >>No_humans_or_dead_people_could_have_killed_Kanon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:33:04 2010 No.4706103 >>4706092 Beatrice says all the people have alibis, including the dead. It only works if Kanon was still alive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:33:04 2010 No.4706105 >>4706092 No humans or dead people could have killed Kanon, remember?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:33:04 2010 No.4706106 >>4706102 YES

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:33:04 2010 No.4706107 >>4706095 Coinciding interests. Alternatively, the two Beatrices see each other as kindred spirits or treat each other as siblings or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:33:04 2010 No.4706108 >>4706095 TEH PROMISE MUST BE FULFILLED. Really, it all makes sense. Jessica sees Kanon and Shannon as two different people, because she's also COMPLETELY OUT OF HER FUCKING MIND.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:34:04 2010 No.4706113 >>4706102 DOUBLETRICE BROS - SOLVING THE MYSTERY VIA HAPHAZARD GUESS WORK AND TROLLING.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:34:04 2010 No.4706116 >>4706094 Yes, fat old man Nanjo who is well-known by the family.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:35:04 2010 No.4706118 >>4706083 Christ, that actually makes a lick of sense.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:35:04 2010 No.4706120

>>4706067
Kanon dies in Jessica's room in episode 2 so for him to be Beatrice he has to talk to Battler in Jessica's room and then get killed by the explosion. Battler's drunk so he can mistake where he is and it's also possible that Kanon = Beatrice = Kinzo sooo....

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:36:04 2010 No.4706121 >>4706113 Well hey, I don't see anything wrong with applying Beatrice's method of getting Battler to solve the mystery to solving the mystery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:37:04 2010 No.4706126 Umineko focuses heavily on trolls trolling trolls. Doubletrice was originally - and still is, kind of - a supremely trollish theory. It also covers lots of bases, so hey. Brofist to the bros, we are the best.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:39:04 2010 No.4706141

>Ryukishi07: They are all a bunch of villains pretending to be allies (smile). Anyway, as I've said in the beginning, "the problems you have to solve aren't just the who and the how, you should also take a look at the various situations." I've been hoping everyone will think closely on all sides to come up with the truth. Also, I like nesting a trap inside another trap. People have a tendency to be satisfied once they've discovered a single truth, but they never thought that beyond this so-called truth is the ultimate truth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:39:04 2010 No.4706142 >>4706120 Kanon is not the name of any human on the island.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:40:04 2010 No.4706148 >>4706126 I just like to hope that we anticipated the next twist Ryukushi is going to throw at us. Episode 7 is going to be a troll for all, so we best be prepared.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:40:04 2010 No.4706154 >>4706141 >I like nesting a trap inside another trap. HOMOLUST END CONFIRMED

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:41:04 2010 No.4706158 >>4706141 THAT SHALL BE THE SLOGAN OF THE DOUBLETRICE BROS. WE'RE LIKE THE BORG, WE'RE GOING TO ASSIMILATE YOUR ASS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:41:04 2010 No.4706160 >>4706148 I vote for "Gretel" to wash up on the beach, having fallen off a cruise liner by accident. In the middle of a typhoon. In her bathing suit.

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:41:04 2010 No.4706161

>>4706126
I'm not sure whether or not I was the first person to suggest it, but I do know that I'd randomly tossed it out not because I was trying to actively troll but because I was getting tired of all the back-and-forth Shkanontrice vs. Jessitrice debates. Kinda like "y'know what, both sides have evidence to support their positions. Why the fuck can't they both be Beatrice?" (This was before more evidence against Shkanon had built up.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:42:04 2010 No.4706169 >>4706160 > Gretel So Erika = Ange now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:43:04 2010 No.4706173 >>4706142 Episode 6 red "all names refer to actual people"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:43:04 2010 No.4706176 >>4706158 FUCK YEAH CHOOSE DOUBLETRICE BROFISTS OVER MOON-CHAN RAGE OR SHKANNONTRICE WANK

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:44:04 2010 No.4706181 >>4706148 NO FANTASY PERSPECTIVE DETECTIVE POV ONLY TROLL THROTTLE STUCK AT FULL FINAL DESTINATION

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:45:04 2010 No.4706186 >>4706161 And even without Shkanon, the theory works with either Shannon or Kanon, though at this point Kanon is pretty much confirmed regardless of if Shkanon is true or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:45:04 2010 No.4706188 [ ] Hobo end [ ] Amnesia end [ ] Happy shipper end To save one sacrifice two.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:46:04 2010 No.4706194 >>4706169 Hey, Ryukishi said he was originally planning to use the big EP5 trick in EP3. 1998 Ange showing up on the island would have been epic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:46:04 2010 No.4706195 >>4706181 I still want a fist fight between Battler and Jessica at the end. Like they did as kids, but this time, on top of the burning wreck of Metal Gear Beato, and them both being shirtless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:47:04 2010 No.4706199 >>4706188 Hm... I'd either save #2 or #3.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:48:04 2010 No.4706206 >>4706188 I choose the fourth option. George and Shannon "tragically" die.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:48:04 2010 No.4706207 >>4706195 Battler needs to strengthen his pimp hand, then. But that is the most fucking awesome thing I have ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:48:04 2010 No.4706211 >>4706195 And Jessica would have lost her bra at some point, yes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:50:04 2010 No.4706217 >>4706195 Play Gekka no Duelist in the background and I'm in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:50:04 2010 No.4706219 >>4706188 [x] Battler cuts the fatman and lives out his life on Tit/Kanon Island with his seagull bros.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:50:04 2010 No.4706220 Infinite game end ftw

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:51:04 2010 No.4706224 File: 44 KB, 850x632, yup.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4706207 You got the GOOD, DOMINANT genes, from Asumu, Battler, while I got the BAD, RECESSIVE genes from Kyrie. That's why Big Boss always favored you!

Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:51:04 2010 No.4706227
File: 280 KB, 640x480, 1265762308137.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

The best thing I like about Kanontrice (with or without Doubletrice) is the likelihood that Kanon is thus a DFC reverse trap, which would cause certain things to become terribly ironic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:52:04 2010 No.4706236 >>4706224 And now I want to see Kinzo or Rudolf with an eyepatch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:52:04 2010 No.4706242 >>4706227 >terribly ironic and sexy Fixed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:53:04 2010 No.4706243 >>4706217 Oh god, best final boss ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:54:04 2010 No.4706249 >>4706195 FUND IT

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:56:04 2010 No.4706260 >>4706194 This sounds plausible, but it would have to be 1986 Ange since time travel was denied by Knox's rules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:57:04 2010 No.4706263 >>4706188 I save amnesia end because Ryukishi writes better sad scenes than romantic scenes. Emotional ballsack, iron grip, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:57:04 2010 No.4706265 >>4706195 I'd rather have a Kyrie/Battler swordfight in the midst of a burning/crumbling Ushiromiya mansion sort of like the end of Layton 2 but that's just me and it would also rely on kyrie culprit which she isn't, so fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:59:04 2010 No.4706272 >>4706265 Kyrie and Jessica were up to some shenanigans together in episode 4, but yeah, Kyrie doesn't survive long enough most of the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 22 23:59:04 2010 No.4706276 >>4706263 >Implying K1 saving Rena through HEROIC WILLPOWER wasn't the best thing in Higurashi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:00:04 2010 No.4706281 The big trick in episode 5 that was planned for episode 3 was showing false things with a detective present, but that isn't from the detective's perspective. Prove me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:01:04 2010 No.4706283 >>4706281 But what would that have to do with the so-called "Land of the golden witch"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:01:04 2010 No.4706284 >>4706276 K1 kicks ass. Battler cries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:01:04 2010 No.4706285 >>4706281 No red text to that effect in Episode 6. Ryuukishi said it was something to do with a 'large red text'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:02:04 2010 No.4706287 File: 675 KB, 659x2850, Ohwow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yet again, just wanting to bring this up. Once a tsundora, always a tsundora.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:02:04 2010 No.4706294 >>4706281 Episode 5's closet scene and the scene where Erika is introduced is written neither from Battler nor Erika's perspective. It's written from an observer's perspective possibly the culprit's.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:02:04 2010 No.4706296 >>4706285 He said that was the plan, at least, so it might not have turned out that way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:02:04 2010 No.4706297 >>4706284 Depends. Piece Battler is a goddamn hero. Meta-Battler, well, yeah, but at least he hasn't become Bernkastel yet.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:03:04 2010 No.4706299

>>4706285
But nearly all the red text about episode 6 is about the room that pretty much confirmed Shkanon.

Episode 5 trick = stuff around the detective that's a lie but not from the detective's viewpoint = Erika, Shannon and Kanon together = red about it in episode 6.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:03:04 2010 No.4706301 >>4706281 >>4706260 That's why I said 1998 Ange. TROLL THROTTLE.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:03:04 2010 No.4706302 File: 112 KB, 642x943, silly bastard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4706284 Can Battler's viewpoint be trusted considering he's such a goddamned liar?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:04:04 2010 No.4706305 >>4706285 He also didn't say exactly when that bunch of red text would be introduced. The question was did he put it in episode 5 and he said I definitely can't tell you that!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:04:04 2010 No.4706310 >>4706299 >episode 6 ... pretty much confirmed Shkanon. No, it doesn't. We've been over this, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:05:04 2010 No.4706313 File: 812 KB, 644x954, 1264399205869.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4706287 Wonder if we're going to get something where it turns out that both Kanon and Jessica are in love with Battler.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:05:04 2010 No.4706316 >>4706310 We've been over it and it confirms it except for the people heavily in denial.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:05:04 2010 No.4706317 File: 41 KB, 400x587, AWESOME.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BE TWELVE YEARS OLD HAVE TWO GIRLS FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU THINGS DO NOT GO EXACTLY AS PLANNED

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:07:04 2010 No.4706322 >>4706301 Meta Battler's head would have completely fucking exploded in EP4, it would've been great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:07:04 2010 No.4706327 >>4706316 No! You are the one who is in denial!

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:07:04 2010 No.4706328

>>4706316
It might confirm it. But take a look at >>4706141. Specifically, this sentence: "Also, I like nesting a trap inside another trap."

The first trap is likely the whole untrustworthy-third-person-POV thing. However, the second trap could very well be the stuff in Episode 6 that seems to point towards Shkanon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:08:04 2010 No.4706331 >>4706313 ....Even I am heavily aroused by your suave chivalry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:08:04 2010 No.4706333 File: 21 KB, 648x510, jessica.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:08:04 2010 No.4706337 >>4706317 Goddamn, Battler truly is just like Rudolf, isn't he. ...Would that mean Jessica is like Kyrie and Kanon is like Asumu, or Jessica is like Asumu and Kanon is like Kyrie?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:08:04 2010 No.4706338 >>4706316 Yeah, it totally confirms it. Except for the million holes in the theory that have been pointed out time and time again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:09:04 2010 No.4706343 >>4706328 The problem with "trap inside another trap" in relation to this is that there is no other answer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:09:04 2010 No.4706344 >>4706333 Oh, come on, that has nothing to do with anything. But Jessica using UNLIMITED BLADES WORKS needs to happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:09:04 2010 No.4706347 >>4706338 Holes that are only made by people in denial.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:09:04 2010 No.4706348 >>4706343 Except for the other answer that you don't believe in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:10:03 2010 No.4706354 >>4706348 The only other answers for the room ignore red about the room itself / wordplay with it. Like "oh, names referring only to the actual, she didn't say last names"

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:10:04 2010 No.4706350 >>4706337 Battler did it correctly. Seduced two girls, left them for 6 years, made them fall in love with each other, and now his love triangle just became mutual.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:10:04 2010 No.4706352 >>4706343 There is, though, as long as Kanon was given the name Kinzo after Ushiromiya Kinzo died. It was never disproven that the name could be inherited, after all.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:11:04 2010 No.4706356

>>4706284
Piece Battler is a fucking bro and Meta Battler...well, he's a pretty nice guy, and sometimes the guy that takes the beating is equal to a guy giving one.

That being said, K1 rapes the shit out of Battler. Expect the Sorcerer of Worss next episode.

He'll be just as pantsless as a Stake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:11:04 2010 No.4706357 >>4706344 Maybe not, but it caused me great amusement when people said it was a shop the first few times I posted it. EP4 that bad for you guys?

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:11:04 2010 No.4706361

>>4706348
The only other answers for the room ignore red about the room itself / wordplay with it.

Like "oh, names referring only to the actual people, she didn't say last names. Solution is Kumsawa is Kanon's last name, works a hell of a lot better than Shkannon if you ask me"

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:12:04 2010 No.4706368 >>4706357 I love episode 4. Shkanontricefags hate it, for the most part, because of how dubious Jessica is in it. Also, magic fights were awesome. I suppose the Ange bits were slow, but DREAMENDDISCHARGER is godtier.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:13:04 2010 No.4706369

>>4706352
Also, the whole "17 people" thing at the end of Episode 6 works even with Erika previously existing as her own person on the island. The game ended at some point after she entered the guest room, but before the duel at the end of the Episode, according to none other than Erika herself. If something had been set in place such that piece Erika would cease to be allowed as a piece on the gameboard once the sixth game ended, then the whole 17-people thing works perfectly fine even without Shkanon.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:13:04 2010 No.4706371

>>4706352
>All names refer only to the actual people!
>I already stated with the red truth that all names refer only to the actual people. Therefore, the names "Erika", "Battler", and "Kanon" refer only to the actual people

"The actual people" is who is understood to be X. Kanon can't just be some guy who inherited Kanon's name, or just happens to have the same name, or anything like that.

The same thing goes for Kinzo. He has to be the old man Kinzo. It doesn't exclude anyone who conveniently gets Kinzo's title, or anyone who conveniently is also named Kinzo.

Like I said, denial.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:15:04 2010 No.4706379 So, are we in agreement about Jessica, at the very least, being fucking crazy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:15:04 2010 No.4706385 >>4706379 Yeah.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:16:04 2010 No.4706387

>>4706371
Okay, I'll give you that.

Now, I don't know if this is actually true or not, but people have stated that Featherine, or somebody, said that Beatrice's solution to the closed room couldn't involve the window of the room Shannon was in because of Dlanor forbidding the use of blue text regarding it. If that's the case, it pretty much eliminates Shkanon as a possibility. Which would bring us right back to square one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:17:04 2010 No.4706394 >>4706379 Dude! Her boyfriend is her best friend!

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:17:04 2010 No.4706396

>>4706369
Now that is some shabby logic if I ever saw it.

You know, there is no proof Ryuukishi uses red in the stupid ways fans always theorize, with wordplay up the ass everywhere. Most things can be solved with simple things that don't contract red.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:18:04 2010 No.4706403

>>4706371
"The actual people" are people whose names are legitimately X. Names can't be arbitrarily mixed and matched however the GM wants. However, multiple people who really do have the same name are fair game. After all, there are two Ushiromiya Battlers, and there is red text that refers to each of them individually.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:18:04 2010 No.4706404 >>4706398 I'm pretty sure, despite the overwhelming evidence, that Shannon and Kanon are different people and Ryu is just pulling a huge troll.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:18:04 2010 No.4706407 >>4706394 And is probably a girl even if Shkanon is not true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:18:04 2010 No.4706408 This thread is pretty good. The spirit of the pony theory is present and new theories are being made.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:18:04 2010 No.4706409 >>4706387 People need to show what Featherine actually says.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:19:04 2010 No.4706416 >>4706403 >"The actual people" are people whose names are legitimately X. No it isn't. Erika tried to argue that Kanon's name was legitimately George and she was shot down with this. You are saying it means the very thing is it supposed to deny.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:20:04 2010 No.4706420 LISTEN TO DOKKYUN HEART RAGE SEE THE LYRICS SHIT BRICKS

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:21:04 2010 No.4706424 >>4706420 Same with Katayoku no Tori, Golden Nocturne and Yakusoku.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:21:04 2010 No.4706425 >>4706420 Jessica wants a prince on a white horse to come rescue her form the island. The site said it it is forever canon

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:21:04 2010 No.4706426 >>4706420 "Prince on a white horse", right? It's amazing how even a character song can troll.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:22:04 2010 No.4706434 >>4706424 Except you don't rage at those three.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:22:04 2010 No.4706436 >>4706424 >Golden Nocturne FUCK YES Sorry, continue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:22:04 2010 No.4706438 >>4706420 Dokkyun Heart - YO DAWG I HEARD YOU LIKE TROLLS SO I PUT A TROLL IN YOUR TROLL SONG SO YOU CAN BE TROLLED WHILE BEING TROLLED

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:23:04 2010 No.4706442 File: 387 KB, 1816x1098, Stakes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4706425 >>4706426 And you know who else wants a prince on a white horse? Asmodeus.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:23:04 2010 No.4706447

>>4706416
What Beato responded with was: "The people who were in the neighboring room at the time it was sealed were Hideyoshi, George, Kumasawa, Shannon, and Nanjo. And, there were exactly five people in the neighboring room. No one other than the people corresponding to those five names existed! All names refer only to the actual people!!"

It's a blanket attack that destroys a bunch of potential theories about name fiddling that Erika could have used, not just the one that she actually stated. The part you singled out doesn't directly deny her theory, and actually couldn't have been tailored to her theory because they fired at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:24:04 2010 No.4706451 >>4706426 I loved how all of us on /a/ said LOL DOKKYUN HEART IS JUST A SONG ABOUT JESSICA BEING AN ANGSTY TEENAGER MEANWHILE BEATO IS PARACHUTING ONTO THE ISLAND VIA HELICOPTER.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:24:04 2010 No.4706457

>>4706328
>>4706299

There is a bunch of red text in episode 6 saying that all names refer to actual people.

The names of Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Gohda, Nanjo, Kumasawa, Shannon, Kanon, George, Battler, Maria, Rosa, Kyrie, Eva, Natsuhi, Krauss, and Erika were all referred to in episode 6. That makes 16 people in total referred to.

So all of these people should all be actual persons according to the red text right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:25:04 2010 No.4706461 >>4706447 However, it was stated later in the Episode that the "All names refer only to the actual people!!" red text also applied to those in the guest room (i.e. Battler, Erika, and Kanon).

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:25:04 2010 No.4706462 >>4706442 She wants a prince. But not a prince on a white horse. Plus she's an American paper weight, she'd be lucky if she could get a gangsta.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:25:04 2010 No.4706463 >>4706457 It never says that all names refer to humans, no.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:26:04 2010 No.4706467 >>4706451 >/a/ Well there you go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:26:04 2010 No.4706469 >>4706457 Those are two different senses of "actual person". The one Beato used could also be translated as "the people themselves".

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:26:04 2010 No.4706474 >>4706416 So wait, doesn't that just outright deny Shkanon right there, then?

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:27:04 2010 No.4706478

>>4706447
It destroys what she stated and everything she would try to use.

And it doesn't just apply to those 5.
> I already stated with the red truth that all names refer only to the actual people. Therefore, the names "Erika", "Battler", and "Kanon" refer only to the actual people.

The problem is fans will always go "Oh no Jessica's name is actually Nanjo, she inherited it. Kanon's last name is Kumsawa. Kanon isn't actually his real name, it's a furniture name, it refers to someone outside the island."

Just how is Ryuukishi supposed to shut that up? Deliver red a whole paragraph long about how he means exactly what he says?

The names of the people are a tool used to deliver the mystery to you, and if you ignore the mystery and just try to change or alter those tools, you'll never solve it properly. It doesn't matter if titles are inherited, or new personalities are born, or if people actually had the same name from birth, or whatnot. He means exactly what he says. Kanon is the real Kanon, not a hypothetical Kanon made so you can dance around the red. Same goes for Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:27:04 2010 No.4706479 >>4706451 It didn't really help things that Marina Inoue said she hated singing the song, either. >>4706457 So, uh... does that mean Jessica = the other Battler?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:27:04 2010 No.4706480 >>4706462 Cue heavily Blingee'd Battler. Or Genji.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:28:04 2010 No.4706485 >>4706461 And it did, because Erika tried to argue that Beato was shuffling the names around so that "Kanon" arbitrarily referred to Battler.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:28:04 2010 No.4706486 >>4706462 >But not a prince on a white horse. Site said "prince on a white horse."

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:28:04 2010 No.4706491 >>4706486 That was talking about Asmodeus.

>>	Tue Mar 23 00:29:04 2010 No.4706499 File: 170 KB, 640x480, blow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] meanwhile at witch hunt

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:29:04 2010 No.4706500 >>4706479 Oh. Oh shit. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:30:04 2010 No.4706506 File: 262 KB, 807x526, ffffffffffffffffffff.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4706479 >Jessica is the other Battler Well, shit.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:30:04 2010 No.4706508

>>4706474
No, because Shkanon works in that Kanon and Shannon are the same person. Kanon himself is Shannon. Shannon herself is Kanon, they are one in the same.

The only way you could argue this is that if old man Kinzo was actually Kanon all along, therefore Kanon is Battler's grandfather, and whatnot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:31:04 2010 No.4706515 >>4706500 Well, Genji's name also wasn't mentioned. But yeah, it seems odd that the names of all but two people would be referenced in the Episode.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:32:04 2010 No.4706520 >>4706478 He might have to, especially if he's going to pull bullshit like "personalities are things that can be killed"

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:32:04 2010 No.4706523 >>4706508 I was saying that in response to 'Kanon's name is legitimately George', which is what Erika's theory was. That red text shot it down and all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:33:04 2010 No.4706527 >>4706508 How do you explain the red referring to two Battlers then?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:33:04 2010 No.4706529 >>4706515 If BATTLER is indeed on the island.... well...hm.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:34:04 2010 No.4706540

>>4706523
Erika's theory would have to be George IS Kanon for it to work. In other words, the Kanon we have always seen was George, charading as two people. Similar to Shkannon, but with George instead of Shannon.

Because Erika's theory was Kanon conveniently had the name George, but was not the actual George we know, it was shot down.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:35:04 2010 No.4706542 >>4706523 Jeez, Erika is fucking stupid. Acting like George is relevant!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:35:04 2010 No.4706546 >>4706523 The only thing you can really get from that red with any certainty is that Kanon's name is not legitimately Hideyoshi, George, Shannon, Kumasawa, or Nanjo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:36:04 2010 No.4706551 >>4706479 >Jessica = other Battler? How does that solve anything?

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:36:04 2010 No.4706554

>>4706540
>Because Erika's theory was Kanon conveniently had the name George, but was not the actual George we know, it was shot down.

There's no difference, though.

Kanon having George's name is the same as having Shannon's name. She was arguing 'the name was real', which is the same thing Shkanon banks on.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:37:04 2010 No.4706559

>>4706527
Good question. It could only applies to the situation in episode 6. Or perhaps Ryuukishi figured it didn't matter since everyone knows what that implies, that there are two Battlers, and one is most likely already dead. I don't think he wants you to draw the conclusion that somewhere on the island there's an additional Battler running around that can be falsely referred to. Or maybe he just forgot about referring to two Battlers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:37:04 2010 No.4706560 KANON AND GEORGE NEVER ACTUALLY SEE OR TALK TO EACH OTHER Or have they? Because I've never seen them interact.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:37:04 2010 No.4706562 >>4706551 It solves the mystery of THERE STILL BEING TWO GODDAMN BATTLERS.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:38:04 2010 No.4706571

>>4706551
It's not so much that it solves anything (because even if our Battler was in the room Jessica-Battler was supposed to be in and Jessica-Battler was in the guest room in the mansion, that wouldn't change anything), but the very fact that Jessica and Genji were not referred to by name in red in the Episode, despite the names of everyone else (including Erika) being referred to, is extremely interesting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:40:04 2010 No.4706580 >>4706562 Battler versus BATTLER, oh lordly. Shit just got even weirder.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:43:04 2010 No.4706605

>>4706554
It's not the same thing.

The names only refer to the person themselves.

Consider that with Shannon. Who is Shannon herself, the one we actually know as Shannon? Shkanon says she is also Kanon. So whenever you refer to Shannon, you are also referring to Kanon.

Consider that with Erika's theory. Who is George? Both Kanon, who we do not actually know as George, and George, two different people, two different bodies.

It isn't saying "each name refers to an individual person" which would imply no person is allowed two names. It instead means that regardless of what extra name someone has, the name used in red refers to a person we actually understand clearly as that person, not one conveniently created.

Think of it on a trust level. The name is required to deliver the situation to you. If you argue about what "Kanon" could mean, you argue about what is presented, rather than looking at what is presented. Shkanon is a completely different concept. It would not be appropriate if Shkanon meant Shannon is her own person, but also has Kanon's name, and Kanon is his own person, but also has Shannon's name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:44:04 2010 No.4706612 >>4706571 So what does it all mean anon? Something about Jessica or Genji not being on the island I assume?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:47:04 2010 No.4706631 >>4706612 I'd be a bit slow to buy that. Remember, Jessica is one of the "stars" of episode 6, for her not to be on the island is odd. Rather, it could be a hint towards the fact that she is BATTLER. Or.... not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:47:04 2010 No.4706633 >>4706612 I really don't know. It just seems odd that in an Episode where the idea of whether or not a name can be used for someone is discussed in red, two people would have their names not referred to in red in that Episode while everyone else's are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:48:04 2010 No.4706640 >>4706631 To start with, saying X is not on the island just because their name wasn't said in red in the episode is stupid. Are you going to apply that to every episode? Episode 3 is probably the only one with everyone's name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:48:04 2010 No.4706641 File: 322 KB, 640x480, Battler in space.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4706562

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:49:04 2010 No.4706651 >>4706605 Well then Shkanon is completely busted, because of the Episode 3 red that confirms there were 6 different bodies. Cause you just cut off the small life line that 'Shannon took Kanon's name' represented for the theory.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:49:04 2010 No.4706654 >>4706640 Well, Jessica always had been a candidate for being the second Battler. If not Kanon, I suppose it being her makes sense. To a limited degree, of course, then who was cliff babby?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:51:04 2010 No.4706671 >>4706654 > who was cliff babby? Kanon. The baby somehow survived the fall and was sent back to Fukuin house.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:51:04 2010 No.4706675 >>4706654 Wait.... so if Jessica is really Jessica Battler does that mean Kanon rescues Jessica Battler? Because that makes way more sense than him rescuing Battler.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:51:04 2010 No.4706676 >>4706651 Not if this only applies to episode 6.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:52:04 2010 No.4706686

The second Battler is a huge red herring. The man from 19 years ago in episode 6 is just Kyrie & co extorting Natsuhi. The man uses "boku" in one phone call and "ore" in another. Two different people pretending to be one guy who's long since dead. It was part of the plot to frame Natsuhi and get her to reveal Kinzo is dead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:53:04 2010 No.4706693 >>4706671 Well, Kanon's name is Yoshiya. So yeah, 2nd Battler is Jessica, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:53:04 2010 No.4706696 >>4706675 That would be the ultimate troll on Erika, because of the fact that she refused the detective's authority and thus wouldn't actually be able to know about that even if she thought she saw Jessica in the one room.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:54:04 2010 No.4706699 >>4706686 Beatrice seems to think the 2nd Battler is important. She kinda used it to erase Battler from existing. I think the red herring is the 2nd Battler being MALE.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:54:04 2010 No.4706701 >>4706676 It doesn't matter if it does or doesn't. It confirms there were two different bodies. So unless Shannon or Kanon somehow don't exist in the Episode 6 world and does in the Episode 3 one, it's all the same.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:54:04 2010 No.4706705
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If you want to talk about the baby on the cliff, think about this. Rosa's "Beatrice" fell off the cliff 19 years ago. Same time Natsuhi says a servant with a baby fell off the cliff. Are they two different happenings? Doubt it. Same happeing, and Rosa didn't see any baby.

In And Then There Were None, a pregnant maid called Beatrice falls off a cliff.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:55:04 2010 No.4706707

>>4706675
Hmm. Rudolf was crying over his son's death, so you'd have to throw that bit out. Jessica wasn't seen by Erika after the first twilight so there's no problem there, but she did come to Erika's door, so you'd have to figure out how she got to the guestroom after that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:56:04 2010 No.4706717 >>4706705 I... gghgh... GODDAMMIT RYUKISHI But wait, then just how delusional is Natsuhi to think that there was a baby being held by the servant?

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:57:04 2010 No.4706724

>>4706701
There's never any red that says there are different bodies. Only red that says they count as 2 people.

Look at the end of episode 6. Erika says she's the 18th person in red, then Battler and Beato say it's 17 in red. The real word play going on is what a "person" means. Seems like it can be based on interpretation.

It's not like there weren't hints for this, what with episode 2 being much about creating another person inside yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:57:04 2010 No.4706726 >>4706705 Pregnant maid, means that the baby wasn't born yet, means that the baby would be 18, means that OH GOD DAMN IT

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:57:04 2010 No.4706730

>>4706705
Don't forget that Zepar and Furfur state that the "master of the island" is 19 years old. You don't state something like that out of the blue (admittedly, in a discussion of the significance of the number 19 in Umineko) without it being significant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:57:04 2010 No.4706731 >>4706717 delusional enough to see kinzo after he's dead

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 00:57:04 2010 No.4706732 >>4706717 Natsuhi is delusional as fuck, why not? Kinzo probably told her Beatrice was to bare her a child. The baby wasn't actually born.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:01:04 2010 No.4706756

>>4706724
>There's never any red that says there are different bodies. Only red that says they count as 2 people.

# The individual keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses!

At the time the first key in the envelope was found, Shannon was dead.

It's impossible for her to get up and pretend to be Kanon, and all of the adults witnessed Kanon's body.

Them being the same person from the beginning isn't possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:02:04 2010 No.4706761 >>4706756 See the whole "corpse" situation with Jessica in episode 2.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:02:04 2010 No.4706763 >>4706761 What about it? 'Jessica is a corpse' was never said in red. It was here.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:04:04 2010 No.4706773

>>4706726
It would depend on how far along the pregnancy was, as well as when in 1967 the fall occurred, but it would still be possible for the baby to be 19 in 1986 by October 4th.

Alternatively, they could be counting from the time of conception, as I discovered a while ago that Japan sometimes counts time spent in the womb as contributing to the age of the person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:06:04 2010 No.4706791 So Jessica is Battler, Shannon is Beatrice, but Jessica is Battler is Beatrice? Fuck me.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:07:04 2010 No.4706795

Furthermore, I'd like to know how you give a personality a gunshot wound.

# All of them had wounds resembling gunshot wounds which became fatal!
# I shall say more with the red! When the five other than Kinzo were murdered, the murderer was definitely in the same room!

5 people were killed with a gunshot.

How do you kill separate personalities with a gunshot each, when there's only one bullet hole?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:08:04 2010 No.4706807 >>4706795 Symbolic gunshot wounds. SHOT THROUGH THE HEART AND YOU'RE TO BLAME YOU GIVE LOVE A BAD NAME

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:09:04 2010 No.4706816 >>4706791 Not quite. You got Shannon mixed up with Kanon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:19:04 2010 No.4706882 >>4706791 >>4706816 Jessica is Battler, Kanon is Beatrice, Jessica is Battler is Beatrice, and Kanon is Beatrice II's 19-year-old daughter. I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:19:04 2010 No.4706884 >>4706795 Shannon's body and Kanon's body both have wounds. They are the same body, sure, but so?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:20:04 2010 No.4706891 >>4706884 Both corpses were observed, and Shannon's especially by Battler. There was only one wound in Shannon's.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:21:04 2010 No.4706893

>>4706763
I'm referring to the combination of that with Erika and Ronove in episode 5.

You know "their corpses were witnessed by a lot of people" or whatever it is in red, and Ronove asking if there ever was a rule for calling something other than a corpse a corpse.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:22:04 2010 No.4706899

>>4706891
And? There's no requirement for there to only be five wounds.

Shannon has a gunshot wound.
Kanon has a gunshot wound.

Because they only have 1 body, there's only wound, but they each still have a wound.

It's like saying John has a wound and Mr Smith has a wound, when you're referring to one person, John Smith.

There's no problem. You're trying to logically lead it into something it isn't.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:22:04 2010 No.4706901

>>4706893

Yet again, Ronove was NOT referring to red when he said that. Piece-Battler called them corpses. There was no red said. Pieces are allowed to lie.

Ryuukishi would have to completely change the meaning of a kanji (which mean straight 'dead body') to get a trick like that through, which 100% invalidates the red.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:23:04 2010 No.4706905 >>4706893 That's basically like Battler's title theory though. You can't mistake Kinzo by sight but you can call someone who is not the old man Kinzo Kinzo. It's the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:23:04 2010 No.4706908 >>4706899 They have wounds in different places, as shown by the tips. Shannon's is in the chest, and Kanon's is in the stomach. Try again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:25:04 2010 No.4706915 >>4706908 According to what, the TIPS? Batlter never saw it. Try again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:26:04 2010 No.4706923 >>4706915 Battler DID see Shannon's corpse. Twice. There was no second wound. And all the adults saw Kanon's. There was no second wound noted. Knox Rule 8.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:26:04 2010 No.4706928

>>4706905
One is about people's names, which was denied it red to be allowed. One is about what can be called a corpse, which was not denied.

Erika says in red that corpses in the cousins room were witnessed by a lot of people. Ronove responds with that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:27:04 2010 No.4706939 >>4706923 Twice? More like once, and it was covered with George's corpse. The parents saw Kanon's corpse, but it was like the 5th or 6th corpse out of corpses they were supposed to see. They're by no means detectives, and it wasn't said in red.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:28:04 2010 No.4706943 >>4706928 Wrong. # The death of the four in the cousins' room has been proclaimed with the red text!! Is all that was said.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:29:04 2010 No.4706952 >>4706943 Wrong, do you want me to screenshot the red for you? It's not my fault if you rely on the wiki without actually reading the scenes more than once. They can always miss red.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:30:04 2010 No.4706956 >>4706939 You're right, he only saw it once. My mistake. And George's body fell next to Shannon, IIRC. Either way, it doesn't matter. Again, Knox 8.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:31:04 2010 No.4706962 >>4706952 Fix the wiki then. Screenshot the red, go ahead. I don't have Episode 5 on this computer.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:31:04 2010 No.4706964

>>4706925
In other words, a lot of people claimed to have seen corpses, and Ronove pointed out that there's no confirmation that they actually did see corpses. The argument isn't really about the meaning of "corpse", it's about the meaning of "witnessed".

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:32:04 2010 No.4706967 >>4706956 Knox 8th for what? There's plenty of evidence that Kanon is Shannon, and that evidence is evidence that they didn't really see two corpses, for whatever reason. I don't need to provide evidence for every individual case that involves them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:32:04 2010 No.4706972 >>4706964 Ronove disputes the meaning of corpse, not witnessed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:34:04 2010 No.4706989 >>4706967 There's no evidence there were more than 2 gunshots on a corpse. This is directly linked to the solving of the Episode 3 first twilight. So yes, clues DO have to be presented for it. A mystery cannot be solved with no clues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:35:04 2010 No.4706993 >>4706989 I'm not claiming there were more than 2 gunshots. That's my whole point. You're the one who thinks it has to mean there's two gunshots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:36:04 2010 No.4707002 >>4706972 "Nothing prevents something that isn't a corpse from being called a corpse (by the witness)."

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:36:04 2010 No.4707009 >>4707002 But Erika says in RED that they were witnessed.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:37:04 2010 No.4707015

>>4706993

You have to be for your argument to make any sense.

Because Kanon and Shannon both had gunshots in different places, and the corpses were witnessed by many people. Each person (referred to as 5) was killed by a gunshot. One gunshot per person.

It says, literal from Japanese, 'Each of the five were killed by a gunshot'. Each means one. So there was one gunshot a person.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:38:04 2010 No.4707027
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Here it is. If someone wants to fix the wiki they can, I don't have time right now.

Unless you suspect I made the screenshot with that generator. In which case whoever wants to check for themselves, it's right before Ronove appears, and final answer is playing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:38:36 2010 No.4707019 >>4707009 Yes, and what does "witnessing" mean? It means you claim to have seen something.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:39:04 2010 No.4707035

>>4707009

Just checked. Erika says the corpses of the four in the cousins' room were witnessed by people in red.

...Except she's referring to when their dead bodies were found, because she also says 'no autopsy would mistake they were dead' in red too, right after.

And they weren't dead then. So they were witnessed again later.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:39:04 2010 No.4707037 >>4707009 Yes, and what does "witnessing" mean? It means you claim to have seen something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:40:04 2010 No.4707041 >>4707027 See: >>4707035

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:42:04 2010 No.4707054

>>4707041
Which means the witnesses mistakes them as corpses when they really weren't, and so it could be said in red that they witnessed corpses. If they had just lied then wouldn't she be unable to say it?

For now though that's it, I need to leave. You win.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:44:04 2010 No.4707076

>>4707054
"It was when we solved the riddle of the epitaph. At that time, I observed Grandfather. ……As was previously presented in red, Grandfather does not exist. That observation was impossible!"
"If I mistake a sheet fluttering in the wind and rain for something else, saying that's what it was is my right per Knox's 9th Commandment. ……However! In this game, due to the red truth, misidentifying it as Grandfather alone is disallowed!!"

Battler witnessed Kinzo, which is impossible, but he couldn't have done so by mistake, so it must have been a lie. Checkmate.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:45:04 2010 No.4707082

>>4707054

And again, I point you to: The deaths have been proclaimed in red, in the same screen shot.

She is talking about after the corpses were found again, which apparently happened at some point. The entire context of her red suggests this.

You can't just pull one part of a whole paragraph out of context and insist it means something else entirely.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:46:04 2010 No.4707092 File: 77 KB, 638x481, truth012.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4707054 Well part of Ronove's reasoning is that Erika never saw the corpses. Pic related it happens just after this: >>4707027

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:51:04 2010 No.4707126 >>4706705 After Rosa's recollection with Beatrice, I hope the next Episode will have another trip to Kuwadorian. Too many questionable things there, including the prison.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 01:54:04 2010 No.4707137 >>4707126 What prison? Did you see a prison? I didn't see a prison.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 02:06:04 2010 No.4707214 >>4707015 It's because Shannon and Kanon are not the names of individual people in the first place. And we've known this fact since EP1.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 02:19:04 2010 No.4707297

>>4707214

Uh... by episode 1 we know that Kanon and Shannon are work names. Not that they're not work names used by two individual people.

What your saying is like saying there are two authors that use a pen-name and they write the same way therefore they must be the same author using both pen-names.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 02:33:04 2010 No.4707411 >>4707297 No, I'm saying that the two authors MIGHT be the same one. It's a hint, not a proof.

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