Elona and Elin thread.

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Previous thread:
>>45992490

Beginner guide, FAQ and links: https://rentry.org/8vkaw
New child mechanics guide for plus: https://pastebin.com/7is8p4NF
Elona+ Custom-GX continued branch: https://github.com/JianmengYu/ElonaPlusCustom-GX/releases/
Extra sprites/PCCs: https://elonaup.x0.com/sozai/index.htm
Elin Demo 9.10: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BXxcK0t1zkJFn-5mVaX93OabUFJKrVnO/view?
Elin kickstarter page:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noacat/elin/description

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Scut!

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>>46181226
Burden!

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O Kizuami and Horome godpets are in

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>>46180842
Weren't Ehekatl's parents some kind of cat nobles? IIRC she was rejected for being ugly and weak and Kumiromi groomed her into his waifu before shoving her into the conveniently vacated "God of Luck" niche which caused her to go mad when the memories of all the other luck gods were crammed into her little kitten skull.

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How do I deal with stamina in elona+? It takes forever to regen and I find it's easy to piss it away.

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>>46188255
In E+ the regeneration spell also restores stamina.

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>>46188255
Don't drinks help you regen stamina? that or the blue pills

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>>46188255
If you turn off his idiotic piss fetish, be sure to also turn off stamina drain on bump attack/spellcast. The latter is balanced around the former.

I'm not sure about this other one, but I also believe there's a tweak to revert stamina costs for cooking, etc to what they were before they got bumped up.

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Stamina was a mistake

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>>46185539
White vixen: destroys cursed equipment you give her and grants you random spell xp. Higher value/doomed item = more xp.

Fox maid: evolving creature. Has a trait which gives her more life, speed and resistances as she levels up. Sprite does not change.

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What are the requirements to be able to teach a spell to a pet in C-GX? Do I have to beat Act 1 first and use AP? It looks like certain abilities can be taught already.

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>>46192353
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/New_Features_in_Elona_Custom_1.51.4

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Newfag to Elona. Which variant should I play? +CGX or OOMSESTepNC?

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>>46199968
Former focuses on the vertical slice and is easier to install, latter focuses on the horizontal slice and is a bit more involved in putting together, although there are prepacks on the discord.

I personally go for Omake because I think it does the life sim sandbox thing better. There are plenty of JRPGs out there for me to care much for plus.

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>>46191346
>Sprite does not change
:(

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>>46199968
You, my friend, should play vanilla 1.16.

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>>46199968
CGX has a tutorial area that teaches you the basics. Omake expects you to have played vanilla for years.

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is there any news on when a newer version of elin will be available, or another kickstarter?

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>>46200991
There are a few new versions every week if you have alpha access. Otherwise you'll have to wait for later this year.

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>>46200991
In the OP with have the kickstarter link with the roadmap. If you aren't a backer you have to wait for late 2024

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>>46201262
It's so over, can you at least tell me how's the game so far?

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>>46200400
I'd argue that fox maid does defense better than defender, depending on how high her trait scales. Defender has 100 base life vs fox maid's starting 80, but she's already gained another 30 and is outspeeding defender with two more innate resistances.

Move-wise, maid taunts while defender has holy veil and lay on hands. Both have party cure critical. Holy veil is eh while lay on hands rarely turns around a bad situation imo, only prolonging death by a bit and now you have death protection.

I have to see how far the evolution scaling goes but at 3 tails maid is already tankier and faster than defender.

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>>46201888
Addendum: defender does have use of his waist slot, maid suffers a speed penalty if the waist is filled.

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>>46201929
I haven't played in a while, we still don't have gene engineering, right? Also could you please post the sprites? I won't have access to the game for a while

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>>46202330

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Are they adding new weapon types to elin?

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>>46202553
Thank you

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>>46189426
That's a vanilla mechanic bro, take it up with Noa if you don't like it

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>>46208166
To be fair, stamina wasn't really used in combat in vanilla, so its purpose changes a lot in plus.

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>>46208629
Pretty big understatement desu. Stamina in Plus is completely different from vanilla.

-Pissdration system, shifts the benchmark of stamina way up. If you turn only pissdration off the game is unplayable, you have to turn on bunch of other tweaks too.
-Massive increase in stamina cost of cooking, crafting, spacts etc.
-Huge number of additional combat spacts, used to be fairly limited.
-Stamina cost on bump attacks and spell casts.
-Changed Kumiromi passive.

Stamina serves a different purpose, has different mechanics, and has a different balance benchmark than vanilla. Mostly to force you to use drain blood and pissdration.

They're not even remotely the same except in the most generic sense of a limiting resource.

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Is fatigue still a problem in elin?

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>>46209546
I still don't understand why people are so pissed (Heh, get it) with the pissing system. All it does is make me throw potions at myself. I've never even pissed with the spact.

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>>46213339
Not really, because it acts more like how stamina works in Stardew Valley, a measure of how much work you can do in a day. The only combat applications of stamina are god spacts and death protection.

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>>46209546
>>46213539 (Me)
>Cooking
I agree this one is retarded, it's a non combat skill and it shouldn't even cost stamina in the first place. All it does is make leveling it tedious (Which maybe was the point because Ano and his hate boner for cheesy strats)
>Combat spacts
This is a good thing. You can try different playstyles with them. More is good. Variety is the spice of life.
>Stamina cost on bump attacks
It's a necessary change imo to balance the pissdration system, which is needed to make combat spacts usable.
>Changed Kumiromi passive
I think this was done to reduce the amount of herbs you could get, not really because of the stamina. The same reason why the statues also got nerfed.

Stamina still served the same purpose. Vanilla Elona had some combat spacts too, but the balancing of it has changed due to the number of spacts that exist now in Plus.

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>>46213625
Mhm. I'm not saying they are good or bad (that's another discussion) the point here is that it's fundamentally different, with different balancing points, mechanics and intents. The most direct combat applications of stamina in vanilla were god spacts, swarm and fire breath. It was harder to acquire and had no restores except soda and blue capsule drag, but also had much limited outlets and certainly didn't have the combat applications it does in plus.

With stamina income and expenditure being this different, I would not attribute the current state of the stamina system to vanilla except in the most general terms of a being a numerical resource, which would be like saying dogs and cats are the same because they're both mammals.

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>>46213539
Because it's bloat, being a system no one asked for; the man himself said on his blog that he added it solely because an acquaintance asked him to. The first iterations of thirst would rapidly kill you from dehydration, this was steadily backpedaled over the years but the impression remains.

It ties into him "encouraging" players to use his systems by attaching large bonuses to using/severe penalties to avoiding his systems, which to be fair is a common modder behavior. You want people to play your content so you entice them with OP stuff.

Whether it's withholding experience until you play his storyline, giving herb level stat gains to ear cleaning, making hydration mandatory, or locking god gems behind watching kuroya stuff socks into his face, etc, etc, it's the same carrot and stick story.

Then as a result of these changes, he runs around "balancing" stuff that would never need it in the first place, like the stamina system. The most egregious example is the repeated speed nerfs over the years, which would hardly be necessary if he didn't make speed trivial to obtain via Leold, herb ins, speed uppers, etc. It's like that meme of the guy putting a stick in his bicycle wheel, he creates his own work.

I'm not mad, if people like it, more power to them. But thirst is just one in a line of poorly thought out bloat which refuses to stay contained and ripples out into the rest of the game. There's a reason why CGx exists and the various maintainers over the years have been doing great work.

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>>46214426
Edit: being a system his playerbase didn't ask for.

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>>46207037
Doesn't seem like it.

New stuff within weapon classes like railguns, while other stuff like shotguns got removed. Wonder what's going to happen with the Winchester Premium.

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>>46214302
Fair enough

>>46214426
>he added it solely because an acquaintance asked him to
Ok that's actually retarded

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>>46209546
I feel like stuff like cooking and crafting use way more stamina in vanilla, though it could be because you spend all the time in vanilla in what would be the early game in plus.

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>>46215723
Shotties got removed? why?

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>>46217136
No idea. Current gun classes are handguns (high damage per ammo, close range), assault rifles (3 shot burst, mid range) and railguns (extreme burst damage, long range, slow reload, energy cell ammo).

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>>46215723
Are ranged builds viable right now?

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>>46213625
>>Combat spacts
>This is a good thing. You can try different playstyles with them. More is good. Variety is the spice of life.
Not a fan of this honestly because you'll inevitably have access to all of them due to their comparatively low stat/skill requirements. I'd like a bit more exclusivity to be honest.

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>Added several sources of light for the solar system
Huh

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>>46180842
Finally getting around to doing the Main Quest, just got the last of the three Magic Stones.

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>>46219721
I don't think

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*putit*

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>>46221900
Is the blue putit of death still a thing?

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>>46217811
Ammo consumption is painful, but it seems like ranged is pretty much required for chasing down enemies like in vanilla Elona.

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>>46224859
Throwing "it returns to your hand" items cost no ammo, but throwing is lower damage all other things being equal.

Getting a miracle weapon with 4 slots or a godly with 5 and stacking high level ammo recovery mods of +15 or more really helps with ammo.

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>>46224859
Can't you just get high speed instead

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>>46225521
Speed by design is even harder to get than in vanilla, and for good reason. Handing out speed like candy ruined Plus and Omake.

-Speed increased by ~1.5x across the board, base human speed is now 100 instead of 70. This means that point for point, speed is less effective.

-Hermes blood gone.

-Only sources of speed are feats, equipment, and worshipping Lulwy or Kizuami. The only way to train speed is to pray to Lulwy, I have a char with 1100 days worshipping her and have only received 2 points of speed from xp.

For all practical intents and purposes, speed training doesn't exist, and I like it that way.

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>>46226147
I meant it just as an alternative to ranged. Sure, it's not easy but it's there. Technically there's the speed spell too so you don't have to worship Lulwy for haste.
Riding can work too since it actually works with the feat that boosts your speed.

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Any ideas why my Defender spams healing rain sometimes, even though nobody is injured?

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>>46229771
Are you sure nobody was injured?

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>>46229771
Pets have a max sight range of 5, I think giving them ranges beyond that makes them act wonky.

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>>46230014
Here's an example. According to the log, no enemy attack occurred before the healing spell went off. Everyone was at full before descending the stairs.

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>>46230187
Second example, illustrating the spamming behavior (look at the <54>s).

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>>46230172
I tried making everything range 5 but the result was the the same.

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>>46230420
current CGX maintainer fucked up, both ally and enemy targets enemy now, releasing 2.21.3.2 a bit later, sorry.

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>>46230420
>>46230630
Also the AI Healing rain has a higher priority than the CustomAI, so If you set HP<30% it still heal at 50%. But anyways it's the current guy's fault, update and it should be fixed.

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>>46230737
Thanks

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whats up guys

should a newfag in elona/elin start with elona or elin? i've been interested in both, but never got to jump right in until now. i'm downloading both, but which one should i focus initially?

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>>46233645
Play elona+CGX first because Elin is still in alpha

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Hi,
I've gotten back into the game recently and saw the versions updated to 2.21fix2.
I've updated my game from 1.74, transferred my sprite over etc. However i noticed that enemies are WAY harder now, clearing 'panic' quests that I'm pretty sure I could have beaten blind are now dropping me on the first enemy. Also, my martial arts damage went from 2d36 to 2d61 and my MA level is still only ~230.
Is that correct or did something break when i upgraded?
i'm not running anything except Elona+. i think i was running custom on 1.74 but that doesn't look to have been updated recently.

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>>46235736
You're from 1.74? That's ancient at this point, the piss dog has just about reworked multiple combat systems repeatedly, it's no longer recognisable by far.

Tbh you should start a new game. Grab Custom GX from the link in the OP, it has lots of QoL and has many options to adjust or remove the piss dog's fuckery.

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>>46181226
Elona Bae
You should have stayed at home yesterday
Ah-ha, words can't describe
The feeling and the way you lied
These games you play
They're gonna end in more than tears someday
Ah-ha, Elona Bae
It shouldn't ever have to end this way

[Chorus]
It's 8:15
And that's the time that it's always been
We got your message on the radio
Status "wet" and you're coming home

[Bridge]
Elona Bae
Is mother proud of Little Girl today?
Ah-ha, this kiss you give
It's never ever gonna fade away

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>>46236724

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Just got my first living weapon in CGX. Does the magnitude of an enchantment stack infinitely? For example, putting 15 level-ups into Marksmanship for an effective 150 skill level boost.

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>>46237814
You can, theoretically. That being said, if you're going to use it as a stat stick it'd be better to get something like resistances which can't be gained by walking back and forth on the world map.

If you actually plan to attack with the weapon, then damage all the way.

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>>46238006
You mean +elemental damage or +enchantment? Critical hit chance seems good too, unless it caps out.

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>>46238087
+Elemental damage. Magic is a generic catch-all, cold has most damage if you apply wet, nether has lifesteal.

The thing about enchantments like crit increase is that they work on other equipment types, but damage only works on weapons, so you put damage on your weapon and all the other stuff on your other slots.

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>>46238087
A bunch of enchants have caps after which additional magnitude confers no additional effect. Check the wiki for details.

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My house burned down half a year ago and I just got a new computer, QRD on Elin?

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>>46242455
It's in backer exclusive alpha

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>>46242623
damn, I was hoping something would change by now. Ty anon.

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>>46235864
sorry, piss dog? Anyway, is that really the only option? I really enjoy my monk and the progress I've made so far. is the MA damage correct?

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mfw I can never drink potions in dungeons because it's raining on the way there

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every living melee weapon i get brings an end
am i unlucky or is there a higher chance for that to happen

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>>46243468
My man, 1.74 was 6 to 7 years ago. Enjoy the new early game.

As for the MA damage, wouldn't know.

>>46244171
Hey, you chose to leave hydration on. Dump potions over your head with t.

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>>46243468
You can keep playing on the same save file if you want.

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>>46245351
Accept your fate and use the weapons anon. Ragnorok isn't that bad anyway.

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>>46245351
Bring the weapon to Maile and have her reset it. That will destroy all affixes on it, even those extras it spawned with.

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>>46249276
What spell is this?

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>start playing the game again after a good while
>npc's keep pissing themselves shortly before they die
>my inventory is full of dozens of of potions and drink that I can't use because after chugging one(1) singular potion my character is apparently too full to drink more, that leaving me with only 1(one) potion to consume every dungeon trip unless I just smash them over my head like a dumbass
>apparently being in the rain ALSO fills up your thirst and makes it so you can't drink anymore, because apparently my character just keeps looking up with his mouth wide open whenever he's outside in the rain until he's full of rainwater
>there's a skill that lets you to piss but you have to unlock it somehow

What the hell? I remember thirst being a thing but I don't remember it being THIS bad and
i certainly don't recall watersports being part of the game too. Honestly this makes me want to NOT play the game anymore because you need to be a grade-A level dumbass to come up with shit like this

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>>46251590
Blame ano's questionable game design decisions

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>>46251590
should have stopped updating before piss mechanic or swapped to oomsest

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>>46251590
>>46180842
>Elona+ Custom-GX continued branch: https://github.com/JianmengYu/ElonaPlusCustom-GX/releases/
>Gameplay Tweaks -> (Custom-G) Disable thirst

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>>46251590
Wait till you get to the graphical ear cleaning made to resemble a hentai cutaway complete with mosaic censorship.

But yeah, as >>46251957 pointed out, get custom gx and disable not just thirst, but all stamina changes as well because all stamina economy assumes you engage with the piss simulator.

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>>46252062
>Wait till you get to the graphical ear cleaning made to resemble a hentai cutaway complete with mosaic censorship.
I... huh?????????

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The post about ragnarok made me realize there are no dragons in Elin

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>>46252828
Do elin even have ragnarok?

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>>46252939
Nah, I don't think even invokes are in.

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>>46251590

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>level one hunting
>three to go
>no ranged weapon
>occasionaly I can close the gap on one of them and get one attack
I'm going to die out here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gTqH_PxfPQ

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>>46252076
Use the mimikaki and you'll understand.

>>46252828
Drake and wyvern kinda count, I guess.

Corgon and Veseda are in the game files.

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>>46254641
Use Drain Blood or Touch of Sleep on them.

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>>46255406
Didn't have either but I got them eventually. One I find a decent grenade I'll be set.

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>>46252828
>there are no dragons in Elin
Uhh guess its good that I didn't take that quest I found on a a job board to kill a bunch of dragons.

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I finally stopped being a dumbass and realized that I can just shove my money into storage in my home and not have to worry about losing all of it from dying in Elin.

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>>46256959
I think wyverns and drakes have the dragon race. That being said, that quest can totally call for races that either don't spawn or don't spawn as hostile, so it's borked.

Not like it's ever worth taking anyway when the generic kill quests are so much easier.

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>>46256981
if you recruit a banker you can deposit it to them at your home and withdraw at any town from the banker there.

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>>46260350
Heh. Remember when currencies used to have weight?

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>>46255454
alternatively just carry around a rod of magic dart for high DV jerks like bats and hounds

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Is buying something the only way to improve my negotiation skill in Elin?
Even if I sold something , I can't improve the skill?

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>>46263669
You can talk with npcs to improve it too

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>>46263718
Oh, certainly

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Is it better to take a shopkeeper pet adventuring first or can I just put them there from the get go?

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>>46273077
I think the only real benefits you get from adventuring with them are the opportunities to raise their charisma through food and their skills whenever you take them into town. I think most players just pick a pet who already has decent charisma and negotiation from the start and don't bother.

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>>46273556
And which pet would that be?

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>>46273822
Human-type NPCs, especially bandits and highwaymen. Any NPC with indefinite scaling could also work.

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Adventurers just got implemented, which is interesting because they're truly random this time around. Race, class, but most importantly moveset, completely randomised.

An adventurer with a good roll on moves wouldn't be bad, they seem to potentially have anything the player can get.

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>>46276358
>which is interesting because they're truly random this time around
Apart from kickstarter ones

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>>46276358
Wouldn't that make them highly defeatable?

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>>46277119
They're like randarts. The vast majority of them are hot trash, but that same randomness means there's the potential for a good roll that surpasses even statarts.

Personally I find them more useful for summoning nefia close to town to use as return points.

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Has someone found the seeker?

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>>46281385
ya he's top left of the map in the snow area

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>>46279197
Can't wait to see how broken the adventurer ranking will be

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I'm going to make him in DD2

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>>46285581
Post result bro

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I downloaded 1.16 how do I make it look good?

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>>46287572
What are the things I can do to make my game more personalized. What are user images? And stuff like that. And what do you do in your game to make it more personal to you.

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Give me leotard PCC pls

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>>46287572
You can find replacement assets on the sozai site, but be warned that assets made for plus (unpopular in Japan) will look wonky in vanilla.

https://elonaup.x0.com/sozai/

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>>46289569
How do I know which assets are for plus?

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>>46289776
They don't look so wonky normally.

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I got the home board skill to reduce taxes, but instead it raised taxes by 70%.

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>>46290086
Taxes are calculated as 20% of the value of all items and structures deployed on your land. Stuff in chests is ok.

Tax evasion works by taking your tax amount * (20/(20 + level)) to get your final bill. The estimated levy on the home board does not change, only the actual bill does.

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>in a dungeon minding my own business
>bones pop out of my body
>I don't want to lose my ears of a beast, so I walk around with an Ether cloak for two months
>Apparently I have a perfect immune system now

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>>46290552
Since you're playing Plus, make a cure crystal to remove your last disease.

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>>46291239
Ah, yeah, that's a good solution.