/07/th Expansion Thread

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Discussion concerning Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, Rose Guns Days, Higanbana, TRianThology, and all other 07th Expansion works.

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>>45607799
This is the thread.

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>>45607799
Merry Christmas!!

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Merry Christmas /07/th!
How is /07/th going to spend this day of love and compassion?

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>>45607799
Merry Christmas everyone, all I want is Mion.

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>>45607951
Just gonna hang here with you all!

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>>45607970
Good wish anon

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Where there any christmas related news this year other than Ciconia's delay?

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>>45608030
Ryu has announced he is skipping to WTC 4 which will feature a transgender gay romance as the major plot point.

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MERRY CHRISTMAS HERES TO SUPRISE PHASE 2 DROP TODAY!

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>>45608030
He's expressed his desire to continue writing the series on numerous occasions, so I don't see a reason to doubt its eventual release.
He could've just ignored it like Nasu did with Mahoyo, or key with their Angel Beats VN.

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i love girlpenis

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>>45608111
Why are ciconia fans like this?

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>>45608118
i've never read ciconia

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>>45607799
These scum proved to be from shitcord

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>>45608124
What have you read? Umineko?

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>>45608144
yes but I fail to see how that's relevant

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>>45607991
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>>45608159
Kinzo seems like the type to be very very into Alice in Wonderland

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>>45608156
Because Beatrice has a girl penis

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What actually makes Ciconia a WTC if it's not a mystery as such?
I'll enjoy it regardless but this seems more like a marketing ploy than anything...

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Reminder that Erika is the best girl for a swinging relationship. Having been cheated on, she understands the pain of actual cheating and would never betray you, but she also understands the level of emotional turmoil and therefore excitement it can create. It would take very little effort to make her cuck you, and once she's comfortable with it, you could probably even get her to agree to let you cheat too. Erika is literally perfect.

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>>45608159
the entire previous thread filled with loli and you choose to post your garbage shit related to your shitcord cringehug box?

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>>45608210
>not a mystery as such
It depends on your definition of "mystery", but neither are Higurashi or Umineko really.

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>>45607799
I wish all Spergs a very merry Christmas!

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>>45608230Umineko made people retroactively consider Higurashi a mystery, but its "mystery" was more of a psychological thriller and shady politicians plotting conspiracies.

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>>45608248
Ryukishi was constantly pushing it as a mystery in the VN itself though. I don't think Higurashi works very well as a mystery but Ryukishi sure did try to make it one.

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WHY ARE THERE 5 THREADS UP???

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>>45608213
Shi ne

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>>45608230
It's a big scale conspiracy type of mystery spanning 5 years. It works really well, but it's definitely not the type of mystery that sets especific rules, times of death, or limits the number of possible suspects. It's its own thing, so I'm OK with Ciconia doing something different again.

Higurashi asks you to think big and guess what the fuck is going on with all this crazy shit. It gets even crazier when Rika shows signs of knowing about other worlds, which forces to you to think about the mystery on a meta level and try to figure out what exactly is going on with the magic element of the story. Before that, you'd just assume that the existence of different episodes wouldn't be brought up in the story itself.

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>>45608301
Why :(

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>>45608307
The thing with Higurashi is that it gives you so few hints and constraints that there's no way you could ever arrive at the conclusion by yourself. The problem is so open that you could come up with endless "solutions" that don't contradict anything but aren't what Ryukishi had in mind. And the real solution still requires you to accept magic and mystery illnesses.
Also, Higurashi just doesn't get to the point very fast. The early episodes don't really show you much that's actually related to the real big mystery and instead focuses a lot more on the paranoia/unreliable narrator aspects.

I think Umineko is a lot better in this regard since you could actually figure out the main points of the solution by episode 2. And the red truth and Knox rules provide enough guidance so that you can actually make progress solving the riddle by restricting yourself to what's actually possible under the "rules".

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>>45608289
We can't have comfy 07th thread, the bikacord has to make multiple spam threads, that's just how it is.

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>>45608248
I don't know about the original release, but the french release and box art definitely sells it as a mystery novel, and openly points out that part of the experience of reading higurashi will be to try to figure out the mystery

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Images /07/th did not understand.

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>>45608289
The rikafags are throwing a tantrum because the OP isn't the right pic, just use this thread since it was made first after they flooded the last thread with spam

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>>45608335
Reminder France literally has the best version of higurashi and it's not even close (and we don't even like higurashi lmao)

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>>45608213
Erika is a pure maiden who only acts like she's experienced and after she was cucked herself I'm sure she would never want to inflict that type of pain onto others

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>>45608338
Yeah Ryuu, we know you are a lolcow

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>>45608335
But it's not a classic mystery. It's a story about insane government conspiracies seen through the eyes of mentally ill protagonists. You are not supposed to consider the Knox rules or think about the typical mystery shit. You are supposed to put on a tin foil hat.and try to come up with some crazy explanation for all the shit that happens. There are almost no rules. And I love it.

So I don't get why people want the entire WTC series to be like Umineko. Each story did its own thing, it was never exlusively about classic golden era mysteries. So Ciconia could do its own thing and still be worthy of the title, as long as it makes you think and theorize.

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>>45608370
But what if it's what her boyfriend wants? As a pure maiden looking for love, I believe she would be willing to do anything, no matter how bizarre, if you could explain to her why you want that.

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MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM ITALIANON

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>>45608355
What makes it the best?
>we don't even like higurashi
Do you have numbers to back this up?

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>>45608338
It's with love that I can safely say nothing happend in Umineko and that none of it mattered

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>>45608376
Who?

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>>45608389
Your cuck fetish is not only unsubtle, and it's also off-topic.

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>>45608392
WE'VE MISSED YOU WHY DON'T YOU POST MORE

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>>45608389
Your cuck fetish is hot and is also on-topic keep going would she eventually forget all about her boyfriend at some point?

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>>45608394
It's fully translated from 0 from the original japanese by a professional translator (not trannyslator) who used both languages to the fullest extent.
You couldn't translate it back into english without losing some meaning because it uses french perfectly to create the small town vibe.
>Do you have numbers to back this up?
None of my french friends care about higurashi.

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>>45608411
Shkanon trannies took over the janny position sorry

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>>45608383
Imagine a Higurashi spin-off in which Rena or some other survivor becomes a detective as an adult and tries to figure out what happened in Hinamizawa and unravel the conspiracy.

Imagine an Umineko spin-off in which Yasu gets cold feet and we get to see the family leave the island peacefully to live the rest of their lives. The protagonist could be adult Maria living off autism bux or something and it would be really heartwarming to see how everyone is doing ten years in the future.

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>>45608409
Erika getting cucked and the repercussions of that event on her character is extremely on-topic

>>45608423
She would forget about her previous boyfriend, probably, as one does, time heals all wounds, but she wouldn't forget about her currently boyfriend (you) because her cuckold relationship with him brings her boundless joy :)

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>>45608442
I don't think everything should be like Umineko, I think Higurashi was fine. What I have a problem with is not that you can't really figure out what's going on from the hints you're given, but that Ryukishi keeps insisting you mull it over regardless. And also I don't think the big government conspiracy itself is particularly interesting or makes much sense either.
I love the question arcs of Higurashi because of that paranoid feeling where you feel like you can't trust anyone, not even yourself. But when the curtain is finally lifted I find the conclusion to be a bit lackluster.

I do hope that Ciconia makes you think and theorize but from Ryukishi's tweets to me it sounds like he's saying "there might be parts where you could think if you really wanted to but you don't need to". Maybe I'm just reading too much into it or maybe he's just trying to get people to relax their expectations, I don't know.

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>>45608438
The jannys have been absent as of late, I'm sure you would be fine to come back and start posting about your theory again without worry of being banned!

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>>45608450
God now I'm imagining Erika introducing (you) to Dlanor after a while in the cucking relationship, saying that she saw how you always seem to really enjoy getting cucked and wants to try it out for herself...

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>>45608423
>>45608450
The "repercussions" are just your gross fetish
>>>/trash/

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>>45608505
It can be both

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>>45608450
Erika says she's doing this for her boyfriend but if he were to ever ask her to stop cucking him would she?
>>45608481
Dlanor would never do that she's a pure hearted kid would doesn't enjoy making others suffer

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>>45608427
The MG translation was made before cutting off your dick became en vogue

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Merry Christmas!

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>>45608518
She would probably stop unless you're really bad in bed, in which case she would either tell you about it in such a way that makes it impossible for you to refuse, manipulating you emotionally to get you to accept her cheating, or she would use her skills to create the perfect mystery, leaving a very specific series of clues for you to find out, hoping you'll be able to catch her.

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>>45608466
>I don't think the big government conspiracy itself is particularly interesting
I personally like it a lot. It's a really fucking disturbing idea that makes it feel like the characters are powerless against it. And every single one of the conspirators gets away with it, too.

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Nii-nii, cuckolds are ruining Christmas

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>>45608518
Dlanor wouldn't be making you suffer, she'd be granting her valued friend's request. It's a nice thing to do. Everyone consents.

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>>45608411
>not joining the server

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>>45608562
It just felt kind of cliche. Yeah the government is doing medical experiments on kids and the vaccinations give you autism and also they're gonna gas everyone. And it's all run by a shadow organisation with a weird name that runs everything from the shadows. I feel like I've heard that shit a thousand times.

I wish Ryukishi had hired Alex Jones to help him write Higurashi, we could have some cool shit with interdimensional aliens.

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>>45608527
And it's a good translation, but not as SOULful as the french higu one. It's a very by the numbers, literal translation. Le Sanglot des cigales adds that french SOVL to higurashi.
You wouldn't get it.

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>>45608591
>not being banned from the server

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>>45608562
>It's a really fucking disturbing idea that makes it feel like the characters are powerless against it
And then Matsuribayashi-hen happened (and to a lesser extent Minagoroshi-hen).

One of the things that made the earlier arcs seem much more down-to-earth was that the cast felt far more fragile and vulnerable.

Keiichi wasn't some Shonen hero who could knock out fully grown soldiers with flying Karate kicks. Mion wasn't a master martial artist who could Judo flip someone like Okonogi faster than the eye can see. They were just kids, and when violence took place it fucking hurt. I mean compare all the scenes with the Yamainu goons being knocked out like stereotypical henchman with the parts where Rina or Teppei got bludgeoned.

Ryukishi pretty much wrote himself into a corner with the government conspiracy. He had to turn the Club into a bunch of larger-than-life superheroes for them to beat Takano's forces. And in doing so all sense of powerlessness went right out the window.

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>>45608557
>bad in bed
That's just an excuse there's no way for a man to be bad in bed it's just sex after all and Erika is a genius after all, therefore if she really loved her boyfriend she would find a way to make it more pleasurable for her without resorting to random fat cocks from the local glory hole
>>45608572
Dlanor wouldnt give up such a precious thing such as her virginity to some random man even if her valued friend asked therefore it's simply impossible for her to do something like this

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>>45608614
I agree. Also I just don't see why the whole government conspiracy thing was necessary. Higurashi has a perfectly good premise with the club members falling into paranoia for no good reason. Ryukishi could've just resolved that and ended on the same central message of "always trust your friends" without needing to bring large scale conspiracies into the picture.
To me a big part of the appeal of the early parts of Higurashi was the small scale, just an ordinary bunch of kids in a more or less ordinary small mountain village thinking themselves into a paranoia that they can't get themselves out of again.

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>>45608632
>That's just an excuse there's no way for a man to be bad in bed it's just sex after all
Anon... I'm sorry but... There absolutely is. Bad technique, small tool, can't last long enough... There are many ways for a man to make sex unsatisfying for a woman. Sure, she could always masturbate or get off from some kink play, but at some point Erika is going to want to feel FULL, especially if you've let her taste fat cocks for the past few months. You can't take that away from her, and being an attentive boyfriend means listening to your girlfriend's needs.

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>>45608614
They aren't super soldiers, they are an intelligence unit. And they didn't expect the kids to fight back. I know what you mean, but I don't really dislike it. It's a really triumphant ending for the story.

It's not like they did anything impossible for a human. They just had balls, put in some effort and got really fucking lucky. That's what gives the story tension at this point. Hanyuu has basically used up all of her remaining power to turn into a physical being and become the piece that was previously missing.

Rika knows they are risking their last chance at a happy future, so from her perspective this is all tense as fuck. Of course they are all going to survive somehow, the reader knows this. They are struggling against insurmountable odds and somehow winning by pure luck. It's fucking magical. But even that luck wouldn't be worth shit if the were weak-willed and didn't give it their all to save their friends.

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>>45608632
It's not "some random man", it's her valued friend's boyfriend. Who else could she trust more to respect her and take her virginity, especially when her friend will be there watching over her? Wouldn't be the first time they bled together.

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>>45608646
It really says a lot that Onikakushi-hen is a story about a teenage boy who's worried over nothing, and yet is still far more tense and nerve-wracking than the final arc about a secret militia plotting to exterminate a village.

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>>45608708
It's because it's much easier to relate to. I think everyone can relate to being paranoid, especially around that age. Plus it's just really successful at making the reader feel that same paranoia. While reading it I felt just as suspicious and confused about what was really going on as K1.

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tsumi>tatari>oni>mina>mea>matsuri>wata>hima

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>>45608678
There is never an excuse to cheat on your significant other if they wish to end the cuckold relationship! Even if his penis is too small and he spurts way too fast there are ways to circumvent this with the use of strap-ons and viragra. It may not be as good as the fat meaty cocks that filled her holes but it makes up for it with it being genuine love. I'm sure Erika would make the right choice in the end
>>45608689
Oh in that case then it's perfectly fine if it's the boyfriend having it's way with Dlanor fair is fari after all

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>>45608708
>a story about a teenage boy who's worried over nothing, and yet is still far more tense and nerve-wracking
Of course it is, that's what Ryuukishi intended. It's not just your typical paranoia, it's literally a bunch of microscopic bugs physically messing with his brain chemicals because they got upset over the climate or whatever, which plungs him into a nighmarish, unbearable, terrifying persecution complex that gets worse by the minute.

Of course something like that would be more terrifying than some obscure shady people plotting a conspiracy. Onikakushi is meant to be the scariest part of the story, because you still know nothing about the true nature of this creepy village.

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>>45608749
Fair but I would switch tsumi and tatari but pretty good list