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Fuck you key! i finally decided to give it a try to Clannaids, and every route is so fucking touching, shit is awesome, i will try Kyo's route next, she is win is Kotomi's.

>> No.450650

>>450643
If you haven't played all the routes yet, how can you say they are all 'so touching'.

And retarded girls, unexplained diseases and unhonest idots have been grinded too much.

Play some Tomoyo.

>> No.450651

TOMOYO NAO

Also, Kyou route? moar like Ryou

>> No.450654

>>450643
No, her character is awesome but she got shafted as an actual route. Its more about the twins together than just about Kyou

>> No.450658

>>450654
>Its more about the twins together
Like almost every other eroge out there that has a twins route.

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>>450650
Well all the routes i have played for now.
Also, Yukine is the ultimate love.

>> No.450697

>>450650

>> I didn't undertand the game, bawww.
fix'd

and, ENGLISH MOTHER FUCKER! do you use it?
Go play your overrated shit that is FSN.

>> No.450717

>>450697
Don't be mean to F/SN you, you...

Anyway, is the fake Clannad patch still in /rs/ or can I blindly download like an idiot ?

>> No.450727

>>450717
yes, it's still there, but just look at the size, it's pretty obvious it's a fake.

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>>450683
It only gets better from there, Kyou's route is the only one I would consider disappointing.
Also play Misae before Tomoyo and do Nagisa last.

>> No.450781

>>450697
I'm just saying that certain concepts of Clannad are stupid and/or overused.
I loved the side character routes, the events like baseball and laser-gun fight and Tomoyo's route.
Nagisa's too, even if she is a bit retarded, you can actually see why they end up liking each other.

Excluding the After Story, I really like about half of the game stories and characters.


There, proper use of English, and my opinions in a nutshell. It's not about not understanding the game, it's mostly about my tastes and what I expect from it.

The other routes have too much forced drama and unexplained affection,IMO.

Concerning FS/N , I consider the Fate route to be just above average (mostly because of Saber, otherwise it would be much worse). I just love UBW and like HF.


The only VNs I love as a whole (with trivial problems in plot,characters etc) are Tsukihime, Ever 17 and Phantom of Inferno

>> No.450792

>>450697
I'm just saying that certain concepts of Clannad are stupid and/or overused.
I loved the side character routes, the events like baseball and laser-gun fight and Tomoyo's route.
Nagisa's too, even if she is a bit retarded, you can actually see why they end up liking each other.

Excluding the After Story, I really like about half of the game stories and characters.


There, proper use of English, and my opinions in a nutshell. It's not about not understanding the game, it's mostly about my tastes and what I expect from it.

The other routes have too much forced drama and unexplained affection,IMO.

Concerning FS/N , I consider the Fate route to be just above average (mostly because of Saber, otherwise it would be much worse). I like HF, mostly because of the fights and rider, and I really LOVE UBW.
So no, while FS/N is good, it's far from perfect for me.

>> No.450811

>>450778
ryous route was more dissapointing

>> No.450829

Akio's route in after story wasn't very touching, bleh

>> No.450831

>>450781
What routes do you consider disappointing in Clannad?
The thing that game did very well is to develop specifics themes and conflicts within a route, all of the them are very well explained and fit the overall thematic of the story, it's a fact that Clannad is a step above most VNs in its execution.
Other than that it's a question of taste like you said, concept that are "generic", "retarded" or "overused" are found in pretty much everything though, even in Tsukihime or POI for example, but if they are well brought and fit the overall story then there's nothing to fuss about however.

>> No.450835

>>450727
Well, I'm a bit dumb so I prefer to be sure, I'll be careful while downloading.

>> No.450841

>>450811
Ryou doesn't have a route, only a BAD END.
>>450829
You best be joking, his I WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU SANAE was fucking manly.

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>>450829
WHAT?!?!!?

His route is made of manly and awesome. GTFO.
FUCK YES! YOU ARE THE BEST MALE CHARACTER IN A VN EVER!

>> No.450882

In term of routes, its:
Nagisa+After>Tomoyo>Kotomi>Sunohara>Fuuko>Misae>Yukine>Kappei>Kyou
You still have a long way to go.

>> No.450900

>>450882
i can pretty much agreed with that, except i would put Fuuko's before Sunohara's.

>> No.450909

>>450831
Twins route:
Both love him. A lot apparently. Why?
Never explained, they just like him enough to do various 'deep love' thngs (like Kyou 'sacrificing herself' for Ryou's happiness with Tomoya ,or Ryou not minding taking advantage of her sister's kindness to be with him ). Over a dropout who never really talked that much with them?
Next.
Kyou acts like she is doing a sacrifice for her sister, when it's about a highschool relationship, with NO indication on how it could develop. If Tomoya was slightly interested in her from the star and she ditched him to give Ryou a chance, it would SLIGHTLY make sense.
Conclusion, too much drama with no real reason.

As for Fuko, whole ghost story and mind of an 8 year old is not a good enough concept to carry a whole route for, I'd say.

As for Kotomi, her path is much like Nagisa's (Tomoya helping a 'special' girl and getting close to her), and the sudden plot point (HEY childhood friend) just doesn't fit well.

That's the Abridged version.
In most cases though, high school relationships and drama just don't appeal to me. If I was a fan of the genre, I'd probably love everything about it.

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>>450853
>YOU ARE THE BEST MALE CHARACTER IN A VN EVER!

>> No.450918

>>450906
Not superior.

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>>450853
>FUCK YES! ROMEO IS THE BEST MALE CHARACTER IN A VN EVER!

>> No.450972

>>450909
Kyou's route is the weakest, everyone know it. Anyways that route is supposed to be the "anti-key" and high school crush is something that happens really often, it doesn't need a reason. That route was focused on the conflict that Tomoya felt.

Fuuko's route isn't about her being a ghost or whatever, it focuses on her trying so hard for one goal, simplemindedly and without any rest. She isn't Ayu, her being in coma is revealed at the beginning for a reason, her route is one of the best for showing and developing really well the main theme of Clannad, Fuuko who even if she acts like a child really try to help her sister find happiness and Nagisa and Tomoya who in the mean time become a surrogate family for her.
Honestly her route was very well written and one of my favorite and it definitely had a lot behind it.

Kotomi's route as well was very well written but it wasn't a redux of Nagisa's like you said, her route was focused on her making links with people around her, there's a reason why Kyou, Ryou and Nagisa had such a big role in it. Other than that the plot point about her being a childhood friend of Tomoya was very well brought with several hints, it isn't "sudden".

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>>450853
>FUCK YES! YOU ARE THE BEST MALE CHARACTER IN A VN EVER!

>> No.451009

>>451004
I agree with you for that one, Morita Kenichi is on another level altogether.
Akio is fucking awesome too though.

>> No.451014

>>450909
I agree with the twins route, but fuuko's arc is well executed. Tomoya wasn't interested in her, it was Nagisa that knew about her and started to help her, and her little drama, is a comical route,and it's just good. The game itself proves that you can make a good route about Fuuko.
what doesn't fit about Kotomi's route? it was well pulled out, and there are some clues about them being childhoolf friends, it's not a sudden "OMG THEY KNEW EACH OTHER"

>> No.451023

>>451004
Source.

>> No.451027

i played them in the order that the 300 hour guide said to play them. Just got to Fuuko's route, and i agree with >>450972

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>>451004
Poor Ken just wanted to have some hot SM sessions with his delicious older sister.

>> No.451041

>>450972
I agree that Fuuko's route is well-executed, I just don't like the idea of it (since there is no actual development between her and the MC, it would serve better at side-route length).

>> No.451049

>>450909
I agree with the twins route, but fuuko's arc is well executed. Tomoya wasn't interested in her, it was Nagisa that knew about her and started to help her, her route has little drama, is a comical route,and it's just good. The game itself proves that you can make a good route about Fuuko.
what doesn't fit about Kotomi's route? it was well pulled out, and there are some clues about them being childhoolf friends, it's not a sudden "OMG THEY KNEW EACH OTHER"

>> No.451051

>>451023
Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo. 車輪の国、向日葵の少女
The greatest eroge ever, I agree, don't bother me about it.

>> No.451067

>>451041
There is not development about them because it's not about their relantionship.

>> No.451101

>>451067
Exactly because they don't touch that, it felt that it dragged too much.

>> No.451121

>>451101
Well that's only what you felt, for me this route was very well paced.
Heck, you can even do Fuuko's route while dating Nagisa.

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>>450853
BEST END

>> No.451301

What's the most complete translation out there?

>> No.451348

>>451301
seen 0.94

>> No.451380
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Need more DOZO

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>>451380

>> No.451419

Is it just me, or is the 300 hour guide for 4.3 wrong? I end up going back to the menu instead the happy ending route

>> No.451430

>>451419
what route?

>> No.451434

If anything, there's no such thing as originality anymore. Clannad isnt an original idea, nor its stories but its execution is great, awesome characters and nice themes.

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>>451380

>> No.451443
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I LOVE YOU KOTOMI ;_;

>> No.451446

>>450909
>Both love him. A lot apparently. Why?
>Never explained,
Youre not supposed to explain love. Its something that flows with the plot. Have you never seen drama? They had a crush on him, and thats more than enough.
>they just like him enough to do various 'deep love' thngs (like Kyou 'sacrificing herself' for Ryou's happiness with Tomoya ,or Ryou not minding taking advantage of her sister's kindness to be with him ).
>Their love as sisters is bigger, thats why they support each other. However, they cant read each other's mind. Ryou knew that Kyou loved him, but she was also helping her with all her heart to get close to Tomoya. And as much as Kyou liked Tomoya, she also loves her sister. Can she betray her sister for a guy?
>Over a dropout who never really talked that much with them?
Kyou knew Tomoya since middle school. Ryou knew him because they were friends (remember, Kyou was one of the persons he could talk with on school, the other one being Sunohara)
>Next.
>Kyou acts like she is doing a sacrifice for her sister, when it's about a highschool relationship, with NO indication on how it could develop.
Poor anon will never, ever have a girlfriend. A piece of advice: Youre not supposed to start thinking youre going to fail.
>If Tomoya was slightly interested in her from the star and she ditched him to give Ryou a chance, it would SLIGHTLY make sense.
wat

Conclusion, REAL DRAMA like its supposed to be.

>> No.451445

This thread needs some Sunohara

>> No.451449

>>450909

As to why Kyou and Ryou likes Tomoya, it was somewhat explained in a side story. Ryou getting a great impression of Tomoya due to Kyou mentioning him to her a lot. As for Kyou, its your typical high school crush on someone you spent a lot of time with.

>> No.451459

>>451430
After story, where Nagisa lives

>> No.451460

>>451446
>Kyou knew Tomoya since middle school. Ryou knew him because they were friends (remember, Kyou was one of the persons he could talk with on school, the other one being Sunohara)

Kyou and Tomoya knows each other for only a year, anon. In their second year in high school.

>> No.451466

>>451459

You dont have enough light orbs.

>> No.451475

>>451466
I got all 13 and i've gotten onto the route by ignoring the guide

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>> No.451480

>>451446
If REAL LIFE drama was like this, I would not have come to 4chan ever, believe me.

And while love is not something that takes much time to happen, there is a reason you fall in love with someone.
No serious person (since we talk about serious relationships here) will just say 'I just like him/her too much, no particular reason'.
If we consider it just a 'crush'. the resulting drama doesn't make sense.

It's not REAL drama, it's overused High School Drama used in anime, TV shows and games where they just want quick drama and impact instead of developing it properly

Also, as an addition, I hate both twins as characters, so even with proper execution, I doubt I would enjoy the route much.

>> No.451483

>>451475
you just have to replay Nagisa's giving birth scene, a new option should be there now.

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>>451475

You've finished the Normal End of the After Story? If you did and still cant access the True End, you're screwed.

>> No.451491

>>451480
Oh wow, there is a reason you are here after all. You know even less about relantionship than i do.

>> No.451494

Whoah wtf there's a girl on my main page now
i suppose that was the problem then..., trying to follow the guide again

>> No.451495

>>451480
Hey, Molester Jim.

You said you were from Northern Athens earlier. Are you english or greek? Your English is great, so I think you are English?

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>> No.451500

>>451475

Call out to her when you meet her at the bottom of the hill.

>> No.451503

>>451494
The girl is illusionary world Ushio, replay her birth scene. True end.

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>>451494

Load the scene where Nagisa is giving birth to Ushio, then select the option to Call her out. Then shed bitch tears.

>> No.451507

>>451480
The thing is that Kyou have known Tomoya for some time and they obviously have a very good relationship, they don't have to show how she fell in love with him, it would only be redundant. For Ryou, it's obvious that it wasn't TRUE LOVE like kyou but more like a mix of a simple crush and that she didn't want to lose to her sister.
Anyways it isn't as stupid as say the reason Rin and Sakura both fell in love with Shirou for example.

>> No.451508

>>451495
his english sucks. i don't think he's english

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>>451507

Well, Sakura falling in love with Shirou is a bit justified since they've spent loads of times with each other for years.

>> No.451540

>>451460
Not real life drama, I said Real drama. Like a well executed script. Sorry if I made you misunderstand

Also, meet this >>451449

And for the thing of you dont liking the twins and how the route was developted, well the only thing I have to say is sorry. I also have some things I didnt like about the game, like Tomoyo's route after they broke up or the first part of Nagisa's.

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>> No.451543

waait, if i get ushio on my main page, does that mean i finished the game?

>> No.451548

>>451543
Yes

>> No.451546

>>451531
No, Sakura decided to spend time with Shirou because she fell in love with him.

>> No.451554

>>451548
fuck what was that at the end then?

also now i can go fucking play ever17, finally

>> No.451561

>>451554
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qe1Kba6Qpo
Did you see this? If you did, you finished the game.

>> No.451562

>>451554

See the Epilogue. You'll understand why Ushio is sleeping there.

>> No.451596

>>451561
yes i did see that

>>451562
you mean the scene with fuuko? I understand there's someone who smells nice under the tree....

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>>451596
Read this

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>> No.451621

>>451507
...It's not so hard to see why Rin and Shirou came to like at each other, in UBW at least.
Sakura, is whole different story/

>>451495
Actually, South Suburbs.
As for my English knowledge, I have two Proficiency certificates and work as an book editor for English translations. It's one of the things I'm actually good at (unlike my chosen university course)

>>451540
It's partly because of real life situations that I become a bit angry when I see these kind of relationship concepts. But I can't deny you are right.

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Oops read this one before >>451616

>> No.451636

>>451621
Rin already had a crush on Shirou at the beginning too, it wasn't as strong as Sakura of course.

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>> No.451649

>>451636
Rin had a crush.
Sakura decided to devote herself to first approach Shirou , then devote herself to him and overcome her rape sessions and abuse because he saw him jumping a bar.

Proportions.

>> No.451651

Fuuko} "She's sleeping over there."
// \{風子}「そこで、眠っています」
<0301> \{Fuuko} "She's waiting for someone who can wake her up."
// \{風子}「誰かに起こされるのを待ってるんです」
<0302> \{Fuuko} "So then..."
// \{風子}「ですので…」
<0303> \{Fuuko} "Fuuko will be going."

So, in the true end, Ushio will also get sick, and like Nagisa, will vanish and appear at that field? (which is a hospital now) and be waked up by Fuuko?
some time paradoxes fixed there.

>> No.451663

>>451651
No, read this >>451610 >>451616 >>451632

>> No.451670

>>451663
i already read it, there is said by tomoya that ushio got sick and like nagisa vanished to the field, which is a hospital now.

>> No.451677

>>451632
ahhh 29 years old Nagisa...wait...something's wrong there, i can't quite tell...

>> No.451680

>>451651

You got it wrong anon. In the True End, both Nagisa and Ushio are fine and healthy. Ushio wont vanish like Nagisa since she was the one who took Nagisa when she was sick and at the verge of death. Fuko waking up Ushio is just a hint to who Ushio really is.

>> No.451681

>>451670
it's akio who said that
but she disappeared? i don't fully understand that, since nagisa didnt disappear did she?

>> No.451719

>>451681
After Nagisa got sick as a child, she vanished and appeared at that field that Akio visits. She was somehow saved by Ushio, and she is linked to the town since that moment, that is why she she sicks from now on every time the city changes they are hurting her.
In that side story is told that Ushio experienced a similar thing, she got sick, like in the normal end. She vanished to the former field, the hospital.
Tomoya's theory is that she's linked to the world, and that is the reason she wants to travel around it.

>> No.451724

>>451632
is that some loli milf?

>> No.451736

>>451719
she disappeared? i thought she was stuck in bed sick and akio visited that area, and when he returned she was better
o_o this is far more confusing then i thought it would be

>> No.451744

>>451736
the problem is the translation, it is not edited.

>> No.451752

>>451744
translation of the epilogue or the game?

>> No.451758

>>451752
game.

>> No.451788

Is there a recommended playing order for Ever17 and a guide?

>> No.451816

>>451788

Play Takeshi's routes first then Kid's.

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>>451816 Play Kid's routes first then Takeshi's.

Fixed. Tsugumi's route should always be the last one.

The way I played it:
You -> Sara -> Sora -> Tsugumi

(You could also play Sora's route before Sara's, it works that way as well)

>> No.451882

>>451845
Tsugumi should be played first otherwise that scene during Coco's route won't be as awesome. Sara should be played last since Coco's route almost feel like a direct continuation of her route.

>> No.451901

yeah, i'm seeing a lot of recommendations where Tsugumi is first, and a lot of comments saying how they wished they left it last since it's the best route
gah i cant decide

>> No.451953

>>451901
Coco's is best

>> No.451979

>>451882 Tsugumi should be played first otherwise that scene during Coco's route won't be as awesome. Sara should be played last since Coco's route almost feel like a direct continuation of her route.

Wrong, Coco's route feels more like a direct continuation to Tsugumi's route.

>yeah, i'm seeing a lot of recommendations where Tsugumi is first, and a lot of comments saying how they wished they left it last since it's the best route

They listened to the wrong anon. Tsugumi's route should always be left last.

>> No.451995

>>451979
Bleh then should i go
You -> Sara -> Sora -> Tsugumi
?

>> No.452266

Is it true playing
Tsugumi -> Sora -> You -> Sara
presents the brick shitting storyline the best way?

>> No.452279

>>452266
Sara > You is better in my opinion, as it has more a segway into Coco's arc.

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SURPRISE DOZO

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