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[Anonymous No.]

Too much canon wanking recently that we forget the real hook of Touhou
What are your favorite fanon depiction of 2hu that improve or even much better than ZUN's original vision?

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I like when artists draw Seija in a happy relationship.

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>>45031765
> that we forget the real hook of Touhou
Porn?

>What are your favorite fanon depiction of 2hu that improve or even much better than ZUN's original vision?
Ah, yes, porn.

Jokes aside well, somewhat, most of my favorite fanon depictions are
from old western fanfiction.

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>>45031765
Reimu abusing her husband, Marisa being killed by Reimu.
Other than that, wife Seija is cute.

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>>45031833
>Reimu abusing her husband,
That one would 100% be canon if Reimu actually had a husband.

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>>45031821
>old western fanfiction
Yeehaw?

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>>45031873
I had a list somewhere...

Well, off the top of my head I kind of like Unmoving library depiction of Yukari. She's arguably out of character in how nice she is towards Ran, but she is downright cartoonishly evil at other times.

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>>45031865
Canon Reimu is both too much of a romantic and too lazy to get a husband.
Fanon Reimu abducts the first man ho catches her eye and breaks him over her leg as she forces him to do all the house work and she drunkenly rapes him.

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>>45031919
> is both too much of a romantic and too lazy to get a husband.
You are probably correct.

I imagine Yukari is just going to drop some outsider in front of her one day and just tell her "This is your husband now, I expect kids by summer next year".

>Fanon Reimu abducts the first man ho catches her eye and breaks him over her leg as she forces him to do all the house work and she drunkenly rapes him.
That is probably the Hakurei Shrine Maiden way.

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>>45031942
I laughed harder at this post the I should have. The mental image of Yukari just giving Reimu and husband and your comment about the Hakurei way is golden/

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>>45031942
Some lucky anon will finally get a Hakurei wife.

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>>45031765
For me, it's PMiSSokyo, the youkai-human conflict in particular - youkai mange to exist on ritualised mischief. Really wish more people depicted that, the only one I can remember was an unfinished CYOA on Touhou-Project.com that described a tengu kidnapping festival but never got to it actually happening, and I thought we would see more of it in printworks, but the closest we got were that kappa waterslide in fairy manga and the tengu "attacking" the ropeway during it's first launch.
Since they don't need that much fear, there's no need for Masquerade-type crap introduced in FS, which might seem bad for some, but I've never liked that in the first place.
Another one is generally making the cast more likable. Literally everyone does this almost unconsciously, even zounose lets this one slip sometimes.

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>>45031765
Cookie Star, it's not better but it's fun. Both the dramas and the secondary content.

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>>45031942
>Be Japanese salesman
>No wife or kids, life sucks
>Eyeing the rope everyday
>Out of nowhere you take a step and fall through the ground
>You are suddenly in a grassy clearing
>"This is your new husband. The Hakurei bloodline must continue."
>Your new wife is some girl you've never even met
>"*sigh* Let's get this over with."
>She holds your hand for a mere second
>"Done. How long do I have to wait."
Can you imagine? Wouldn't want it to be me!

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>>45031803
Happy and sexy.

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My headcanon is that Mamizou is Sumireko's mother.

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>>45031765
Yuugi is a kissless virgin that doesn't know what sex is and doesn't understand eroticism

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Is Marisa having a harem of girls considered fanon?

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The Hakurei shrine having a side-building where Reimu lives like in that MMD map always made more sense to me than her living in the shrine directly.

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>>45038277
that's not fanon though, Lotus Eaters confirmed it as canon
pretty sure the hakurei shrine in both the ground fighters and the floating fighters had a side building too

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>>45038352
Wasn't that the storage?

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>>45038397
Storage for the miko, yes.

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>>45038478
Huh, for some reason I thought it was this building, but they don't really look alike.

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>>45038552
that one is surrounded by trees and is probably somewhere at the back of the shrine
the shrine is very inconsistent and changes scale, orientation, distance to the torii gate, and practically every other feature depending on the source, so it's hard to say exactly how it looks. My assumption is that the building off to the side is where reimu lives, and the veranda they always sit on is at the back of the main shrine building, which is also where the kitchen is located
though personally my favourite look for it is in WaHH chapter 2, but that's because I love when gensokyo is completely packed with greenery

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>>45031865
>if
What do you mean? I've been married to her for the past 25 years.

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>>45031865
I like to think this guy became something of a regular after helping out with extermination and advertising that one time, therethrough slowly slotting into Reimu's routine and eventually good graces.

Yeah, I ship it. Sue me.

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>>45038725
Why do you stay with her?

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>>45038848
Obviously he's been broken in and trained to not resist the 'mu, even if he's raped every night he bares with it or his family will be taken out by yukari.

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>>45038866
The grump needed a bump to keep the Hakurei line going

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>>45037342
Why?

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>>45038725
In other words, you married when she was a loli?

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>>45037342
the 'Zou is too flat to be a mother to anyone, let alone a stinky human.

>>45037376
This is cannon, all 2hu's are virgins.

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>>45037053
I wonder if you should tell Reimu about sex or just show her firsthand. She seems like the kind of girl that is too dumb to get it until she actually does it.

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>>45039071
>This is cannon, all 2hu's are virgins.
Suwako.

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>>45039369
Just jump straight to the action, Reimu is very stupid
>>45039382
And junko

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>>45038810
I ship Reisen with anxious villager. I can't judge you.

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>>45039393
Hey. So do I.

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>>45039393
>>45039399
Good, me too

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>>45036973
I honestly still prefer the PCB charcerization of "Every human villager in Gensokyo is a innate badass that can easily fight off Youkai", but I agree the PMISS idea is nice.

>Literally everyone does this almost unconsciously, even zounose lets this one slip sometimes.
Zounose is schizo about that since sometimes he somehow manages go the opposite direction and make characters way more monstrous and unlikeable than they are in canon.

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>>45039382
Mitosis

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>>45039387
and Tewi
there's no way the 3000 year old rabbit matriarch hasn't made some of her own

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>>45039419
>pcb characterization
why does everyone keep acting like this is what it said?
>Gensokyo was deemed useless to the human world as well, so priests sealed it away with the Great Barrier, which could never be opened again. Of course, both the youkai and the descendants of the brave humans who kept them in check were sealed away in the process as well...
it was always just the descendants of the strong humans.
I'm assuming your 'easily fight off youkai' thing is from this
>So, why is Gensokyo a paradise for humans if they have to live with youkai?
>Well, that's because when everyone has enough power to defeat youkai in combat, and that's anything but boring!
but that's clearly talking about the spell card rules, and more importantly, it was written by Reimu, who's definition of everyone is hilariously skewed

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>>45031765
It's kinda funny that a lot of works that seriously delve into Sanae's backstory depict her as some sort of depressed loner when her first appearance is her arrogantly telling local establishment to pack things up lol

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>>45039611
I always got the feeling she was a chuuni loudly proclaiming the greatness of her goddesses and weirding people out.

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>>45037529
Hardly if you consider SA

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>>45037376
I came here to post this

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>>45037376
Maybe fanon Satori knows too much because she's used to getting mating pressed by the humans that Orin and Okuu kidnap for her.

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>>45039712
100% that. She's a completely unhinged (unrestrained by common sense) chuuni aho with star-shaped pupils and an ahoge.

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>>45039419
Honestly, any interpretation that allows some actual, two-way interaction between all factions, be they human or youkai, is good in my book. A lot of fanworks I like have at least something to do with crafts, and trades, and politics, and espionage. Hell, my favourite fangame is Gensokyo Warfare, really wished they'd finish that.
Speaking of espionage, I remember there was this one doujin where Akyuu hired Sekibanki to infiltrate Myoren temple. It wasn't good, but I really liked the idea of Sekibanki being this freelance spy for humans and youkai with the right coin (and hating every moment of it - she's Banki after all), I even thought of making it a game, but never got to it. The main thing was that you would barelly have any UI, and would have to rely on strategically placed heads for surveilance.
>>45039551
Usually when someone is described as a descendant of someone cool, people tend to assume that they're just as cool, or at least have the potential to be.
Also, we don't know who the 13th Hakurei shrine maiden is.

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>>45037089
天地有用 lady

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>>45031765
I hate all fanon.

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>>45041788
Sekibanki works in the service industry, she more likely to be employed as a prostitute for Sanae's idol career.
She gets paid to dress up and give head to men Sanae can't be bothered to service herself.

[DesertQM !eu889R5PkY No.]

>>45037053
Can you imagine how annoying it'd be to become this lazy bum's husband? You'd have to clean up her house, make sure she eats something more nutritious than rice everyday, clean her wounds and more!
What a pain!

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>>45039033
I love Sumireko and oyakodon. Both have brown hair and glasses, and Mamizou is from the outside world.

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>>45031942
>Yukari is just going to drop some outsider in front of her one day and just tell her "This is your husband now, I expect kids by summer next year".
God I wish that were me.

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>>45031765
I want the two Sanny's to merge so the end result is the cute face on the left with the big tits on the right. As for your question my favourite fanon depictions come from Ran and Yuuma. ZUN isn't going to do shit to expand upon their relationship and probably forget all about it. Meanwhile the fans are coming up with interesting ideas. Some comedic and others legitimate. In the now archived Yuuma thread people were throwing around some nice ideas. Fans also tend to depict much cooler fight scenes paired with better stories. Unlike in the canon the characters get hurt (as in losing limbs) and regenerate and put their unique abilities to great use. I'd honestly expect a jojo fan like ZUN to have better fight scenes and use of powers.

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>>45039523

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>>45044157
From the look of the tree she attacks when they are far away enough that the gene pool is dilluted enough to the offspring not turn retarded so its ok.

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>>45044348
God i wish that my distant ancestor were a hot sexy mythological being that wants to marry me and have sex with me.

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Less of a case against canon and more against the older fanon; but I like it when Meiling got a nice relationship with the rest of the SDM instead of being the butt of jokes.

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>>45031765
I had known about Touhou for years and one day tried EoSD on a whim. I couldn't put it down. For me, the "real" hook of Touhou was just Touhou.

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>>45045139
I was going through the fighting game vs scripts to see what everyone says about meiling and its kind of interesting
Meiling and sakuya are either slightly cold or cordial to each other at best. They never really sound like they could be friends.
Meiling tells patchouli that they need to protect against earthquakes or they'll damage the books, too, and Patchouli tells meiling that she'll stop feeling sleepy if she uses her head more, so they're giving advice to each other.
Remilia asks meiling how the manga sue read was and asks if it was interesting, and meiling says that she did find it interesting but says she got scolded for borrowing the book. She also asks remilia if she's okay and asks if it's because it's noon.
Obviously it's not the fighting games, but the only interaction between meiling and flan is meiling not putting the truffles in flan's food and flan trying to choke meiling to death while thinking she was evil, so it isn't looking great for them
So what we can take from this is that sakuya pr flan is meiling's weakest relationship, and weirdly, remi seems to be her strongest

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>>45045139
As discussed in a pretty good Meiling thread a while back, Remi and Meiling are pretty close.

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Meiling's affection levels:
>Koa-chan: 35
>Patchouli-san: 20
>Sakuya-san: 10
>Flan-chan: -15
>Remilia-sama: 100!!!

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>>45031765
For me it's physically imposing Yuugi.

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>>45045658
Sakuya and Meiling's relationship is pretty ice cold, their interaction in CDS was anything, but friendly. But, Sakuya doesn't seem to hold any kind of scorn for her if the ending to Meiling's story in the fighting game is any indication.
Sakuya was really worried about Meiling laying unconscious in front of the SDM's front door, and brought her inside to stop her from getting heat stroke. While Patchy was fine with leaving the Chinese girl to rot while she laid beaten up from the fight they had before.

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It's funny because I've seen some fanworks depict Flan and Meiling as close friends or sisterly. In regards to OP, my favorite bit is the Yakumo "family" fanon characterization. Antics with Ran and Chen are very cute, and while Yukari tends to be the butt of jokes she can still be pulled up and do things when it counts. Just connecting Ran with Yuuma was quite substantial at adding ammunition for relationships and plots. Relationships between characters can add a lot more than you think and can make them good complex characters as you explore things from different perspectives.

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>>45046026
Wait does that mean that Meiling was the tsundere one and Sakuya the nice one?

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>>45046026
Eh, it's CDS. Pretty much everyone was on edge. In regular days, as you've said, they're more like professional coworkers.
Funny enough, the manga also shows what I think everyone knows by now; Remi cares about the people under her very much. She was the one who stayed by Patche's side, tried to clear Sakuya's name when she was branded culprit, and when Meiling went into coma she caught Sakuya because the latter is still a prime suspect.
Seriously the entire SDM part of the manga had Remi just worrying about everything.

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>>45046168
>It's funny because I've seen some fanworks depict Flan and Meiling as close friends or sisterly
Canonically speaking, there's no reason why they would've been so close like in fanon
Meiling's duty is gatekeeping and Flan is rotting away in the basement, both of them are practically lives in the opposite ends of the mansion and probably only encounter each other's once every few months

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>>45031765
Music and Flash is what picked my interest from the start, but this >>45045577.
>>45046780
Probably due to nobody having a seemingly decent relation with Flan and Meiling being looking the most cheerful for the gloomy basement kid.
Or maybe due to both using rainbow colored danmaku, dunno.

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>>45046780
Your info on flan is old
Recent canon material says Flan is there willingly, and is just a fucking introvert

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>>45046865
It usually comes down to "these two hu isn't paired with anyone? Pair them with each other!" kind of deal.
Like Remi got Sakuya, Patche got Koa, which leaves Flan and Meiling hanging alone, so people just put them together.

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>>45047637
I know that duh, that's just a jo-
Goddammit I don't need to spoonfeed the joke to you

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>>45045998
She may not be jacked and stacked like she is in fanon but she's still pretty imposing physically.

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>>45046026
>Sakuya was really worried about Meiling laying unconscious in front of the SDM's front door, and brought her inside to stop her from getting heat stroke.
How the fuck does a yokai get heat stroke?

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>>45046168
>It's funny because I've seen some fanworks depict Flan and Meiling as close friends or sisterly
It's funny because Flan doesn't hesitate to kill Meiling when she thinks she's evil, honestly I gt the impression from cannon that Flan is a rather normal acting kid for her relative age with all the good and bad that comes with that.
Except you know she's a shut in

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>>45048789
I guess arguments can be made that heatstroke, to a youkai, is basically the sun god cursing them or some such. So it doesn't count in the "immune against human diseases".

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>>45049689
a much easier argument can be made that sakuya is just a total ditz and doesn't know what illnesses a youkai can get
combined with her and meiling not really seeming all that friendly, it's entirely possible that she ahs no idea what meiling is susceptible to

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>>45048773
Strong and muscular but still feminine

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>>45049738
Except it was Patchy who said she could get heatstroke. Although then I guess it's possible she was screwing around with Sakuya.

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>>45048789
Fairies can freeze to death, and Chen gets scars from cat scratches inflicted by regular felines.
It's kind of hard to take whatever Akyuu says has complete fact.

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>>45049852
Fairies and Chen are pretty weak. As weak as weak can get. Meiling is much stronger than them (assuming Chen doesnt cheat and get a boost in power from Ran or Yukari)

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>>45031765
I love it whenever fanworks make an effort to expand on a 2hu's ability. Doesn't have to be big either, just as long as it's more than what the omake provided.

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>>45050814
You could also say that Meiling having qi as her main source of attack and defense functions on dbz rules and is fairly vulnerable when not on guard.

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>>45051326
Ugh please dont remind me of that bullshit.Also she's still a yokai so she isn't exactly like us in so far as her suffering from that sort of thing. Yokai are weird conceptual incorporeal/corporeal entities.

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>>45048773
Yeah, I was actually pretty happy with how her canonical appearance evolved since her initial appearance. Hope we get a T-shirt Yuugi one of these days too.

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>>45048789
Even the most powerful warriors are nothing when faced with the radiance of the sun.

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>>45044348
It doesn't matter, as long as she's at the top level and multiple lower levels above the current, the level of inbreeding is over 50%

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>>45048773
All the mass from all that muscle I wish she had went into that magnificent horn instead.

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>>45048789
They overheat? I'm not sure where you'd get this idea that youkai are immune to any sort of physical damage. They're highly resilient, but they can still be harmed by physical damage, presumably including by excess heat over long periods of time.

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>>45051397
and that's because he invented fighting!

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>>45045690
I've never cared for how much fan works seem to force this "Remi and Meiling are incredibly close" narrative, especially when Remilia already has a close friend in Patchouli. Just feels like a weird way to try to make Meiling seem more important to the group dynamic than she actually is.

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>>45047637
That's not recent, it's always been implied that she could escape any time she wanted to. Her profile in EoSD explicitly states that she doesn't even really ever attempt to leave the house.

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>>45054523
I don't think I've seen any fanwork try and force this
it's a canon fact that they're at the very least, friendly enough to talk to each other about manga
what, is remi only allowed to have one close friend? did she use up her friend slot on patchouli and that was it?

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>>45054523
Remilia is friends with Meiling in canon, they share a nerdy hobby that no one else in the mansion has. Remilia in general is a pretty good boss to work under, who even gives her fairy maids their own appreciation parties.
Funny enough, the one person she is not really close to in the SDM is her own sister.

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>>45054523
If they where not friends they would not be living in the same house. And Meiling is terrible at her job too so the only excuse for her not being kicked out yet is because Remi likes her

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>>45054596
By that logic Remilia would have long since kicked out every fairy maid.
>And Meiling is terrible at her job
She isn't though. The people that are generally getting through are powerhouses, but so far as common rabble goes she's seemingly an effective enough guard.

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>>45045658
>Remilia asks meiling how the manga sue read was and asks if it was interesting
it's still hilarious to me that there's a non-zero chance that Remi quoting Part 1 Dio in EoSD (doing the "how many breads have you eaten in your life" bit) was actually her making an intentional reference

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>>45054611
She's terrible at her job when it comes to anyone stronger than her, at which point being a gatekeeper is moot since there's nothing you can do to stop them. For everyone else she does a good job.
>>45054735
If Remi has read Jojo, Sakuya is surely sick of all the puns at her expense.

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>>45054523
Name one fanwork that shows them really close.

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It's actually kind of funny how little actual NEETs there are in canon Touhou after experiencing the fanon. Just like Kaguya, Patchy does leave her library, and isn't a complete shut in that gives tasks to servants to avoid the outside.

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>>45054570
>did she use up her friend slot on patchouli and that was it?
I'm now imagining the act of replacing a friend works like how you change equipment in RPG; by going into your Friend menu and getting that Replace? >Yes >No prompt.

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>>45054788
Neet means not working or studying, by definition 90% of the cast is a neet.

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>>45054760
shiraue yuu draws them having futanari sex a lot

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>>45039551
>but that's clearly talking about the spell card rules,
? No, it's not. It says "Has enough power to defeat youkai in combat". Not "Has a ruleset to defeat yokai in combat" or even "Has a power to defeat youkai in combat". Spell card rules wouldn't even be clearly defined until PMISS anyway.

>it was written by Reimu, who's definition of everyone is hilariously skewed
Reimu is dumb, but she isn't THAT dumb.

PCB in general was written in that weird gray zone when PC98 games were still kind of canon. Which seems to support the idea that most humans are just kind of awesome.

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>>45046207
I think Sakuya is more professionals. Meiling takes things more personally, but is also way more warm and forgiving.

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>>45055055
Pc98 is still canon though.

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>>45054523
I like the idea of Remilia being a benevolent boss though. It goes along with her general charactization of being more bright than she often seems. I kind of wish we got to see her more like she's described in PMISS when dealing with guests.

In general a headcanon for me is that Remilia just kind of likes to adopt humans in the same way people sometimes adopts a stray dog. If somebody ends up at her mansion and they are intresting enough and they have nowhere to go, she will just offer them a job.

>>45054735
Agree, would be funny. One of Kaguya's spellcards actually references JoJo as well.

Frankly, another headcanon for me is that Remilia actually left for Gensokyo pretty recently and because of that has a uncharacteristically recent reference pool. Like she was still in the outside world during the late eighties and therefore is probably the only person besides Sanae who can reliably quote ghostbusters. She also 100% once asked Patchouli to make a army of walking brooms only to get disappointed when they worked at intended.

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>>45055123
At this point so much of it has been contradicted though it's VERY debatable. Alice in PCB acted like she knew Reimu and Marisa.

Either way, i do think "All humans are capable of fighting" was meant to be canon at one point.

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>>45055161
>"All humans are capable of fighting" was meant to be canon at one point.
PMiSS supports that idea, while not "all" Humans it says there are Humans who work as Youkai exterminators which can be interpreted as "more" than just our duo protagonists.
There's also the optimistic view of things. Youkai frequent the village, there are shops catering to them, and some stores stay open late for Youkai. Going so far to say that it's a common occurrence for Humans and Youkai to intermingle and that if you meet one you should be polite and treat them like you would your elders. Although it's still dangerous outside of the village and getting attacked is always a possibility.
Also consider how ZUN writes and the focus of the story. While there is worldbuilding, you're not going to see much from the perspective of anyone who's a nameless background mob. The best you get are comments here and there from and about them. Writing about the nameless lesser Youkai exterminators or overall Human power level isn't a priority; talking about the protagonists, Youkai, mythology, all their neat abilities, and the things they get up to are. Things will change to fit the tone of the story he's writing which can change work to work.

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>>45055148
Why would she want to flood her shrine?

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>>45055161
>Either way, i do think "All humans are capable of fighting" was meant to be canon at one point.
Back then, Akyuu explicitly gave advice on how to fight youkai, and that lots of people have casual matches with Meiling, which is pretty unbelievable now that the villagers are consistently depicted as just ordinary people, with only weirdos like Reimu and Marisa, or half-youkai like Keine being able to do anything.

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>>45054757
>She's terrible at her job when it comes to anyone stronger than her, at which point being a gatekeeper is moot since there's nothing you can do to stop them.
She's like a filter who prevents people who aren't worthy of facing the mistress from reaching her.

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>>45055148
Remilia is by no means "benevolent". She's immature, selfish, and unreasonable, but in the end, it doesn't really matter. She'll walk in, make some unreasonable demands, everyone will scramble to fulfill them, and then it stops mattering because Remilia already moved onto her next whim. It's pretty much all pretense, which can be said about a lot of Touhou. Nobody's really worried because it doesn't actually matter much.
And despite that one-off line in Sangetsusei, Remilia isn't shown as particularly considerate towards the fairy maids, either. Everywhere else it's depicted as a lousy place to "work". The advertisement in AFiEU is satirical, Cirno thinks it's slave labor, and so on. But it doesn't really matter, because it's ultimately everyone just playing around. The fairies join the mansion, play at being maids, get yelled at, never do anything useful, and leave when they're bored. Nobody actually expects anything from them, and it works out fine because their real purpose is to make Remilia look important by having lots of "maids" around.
It's all just pretense, and that pretense is key to a good, largely happy interpretation of Gensokyo.
The youkai act tough but never seriously threaten the villagers, and are perfectly polite and reasonable when they visit, the villagers act as if they're scared but are largely amiable with them (and it's fairly safe to leave the village during daytime), and can fend off many of the weaker ones, and most conflict is handled through mock battles, where no-one is at serious risk. Everyone understands how Gensokyo works and plays along, and everyone is pretty content with their situation. It's a charade, but as long as everyone goes along with it, things work out fine.

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>>45054457
*She

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>>45054854
Are they though? In EoSD it's half the cast (Rumia, Cirno, Flan), in PVB it's just Letty, in IN it's just Wriggle and even then not really, between IaMP and PoFV it's half again with Suika, Medicine and granny
Hell there are games like TD and UM with 100% employment rate

>>45058354
something something society

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>>45055123
Nah

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>>45054760
So funny thing, I was actually looking for fanarts of that, and I did find it, but I also found one of the best depiction of Alice.
Granted it's not a particularly high bar but still.

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>>45045998
>>45048773
I want to play a game of Yuugi-oh with her. Danmaku is for shrine maidens and pansies.

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>>45058354
>Remilia is by no means "benevolent"
I mean benevolent boss more as in the trope.

The classical joke example is Scorpio from that one Simpsons episode. Who is a stereotypical bond villain, complete with delusions of grandeur, but also an highly caring and empathic boss who shows great concern for the wellbeing of his employers.

>The youkai act tough but never seriously threaten the villagers,
They just keep them locked up and living in, by modern standards, awful living conditions.

>The youkai act tough but never seriously threaten the villagers, and are perfectly polite and reasonable when they visit, the villagers act as if they're scared but are largely amiable with them (and it's fairly safe to leave the village during daytime), and can fend off many of the weaker ones, and most conflict is handled through mock battles, where no-one is at serious risk. Everyone understands how Gensokyo works and plays along, and everyone is pretty content with their situation. It's a charade, but as long as everyone goes along with it, things work out fine.
Official manga largely contradicts that. This is PMISS lore and therefore mostly outdated.

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>>45055694
>you're not going to see much from the perspective of anyone who's a nameless background mob.
Technically the entire point of FS is that. There are also the old men in the new manga.

>Writing about the nameless lesser Youkai exterminators or overall Human power level isn't a priority
The issue is they never show up even when it makes sense for them to show up. Reimu and Marisa are shown handling all issues, no matter how small.

>>45057361
PMISS is a weird middle ground since there was a more clear dividing line between normal people and youkai exterminators, but they were apparently an thing despite most modern manga showing none of them. Same for magicians, we have a pretty good view of what village life is like and literally nothing seems to indicate magic use is commonplace.

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>>45058495
Remilia doesn't have a job either. Patchouli does, but frankly calling her a neet doesn't feel unjustified.

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>>45063538
Patchy also studies magic, so she has a job AND is studying. Patchy sure is a hard working girl.

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>>45063538
Regardless of whether she actually DOES anything, she's still the mistress and owner of a gigantic mansion and has to make sure things keep running, even if it's in the sense of her asking Sakuya to do all the heavy work. I imagine that Patchouli takes care of the administrative paperwork and such, but Sakuya would be the one in charge of the spending budget and keeping the pantry, cellar, larder, etc., stocked in addition to managing the inside fairy maids (who are only kept around because Remilia is a long lived being and can't stand the thought of being surrounded by transient human lifespans, so she keeps the perpetual fairies around for liveliness. Sakuya is a special case. And I just made myself depressed at the thought of all that). Meiling, despite the confusion of how effective she is in her role as gatekeeper, is in charge of the fairy defense force on the outside of the mansion. All this to say that Remilia, while "hands off", still has a valid job. Flan is the only real one that doesn't, and even she gets called in for demolitions or "hands on" wet work.

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>>45063574
The real question is where their money comes from in the first place. No matter how rich you are your money will run oit eventually, specially when you are a immortal ageless being.

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>>45063601
I tend to assume she's still relying on whatever she brought with her from the outside world. It's not like she has much to spend it on anyway. So a massive treasury would most likely last her a few centuries.

>>45063573
>Patchy also studies magic
Oh yeah, that excuse.

>>45063574
>All this to say that Remilia, while "hands off", still has a valid job
I guess? She's basically a vampire playboy millionaire.

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>>45063601
>>45063643
She actually spends money on all the knick knacks and oddities she picks up from trading with the outside world via her "connections", so there's something going on as far as a network goes. But Sakuya makes wine that they sell, plus there's the obvious of them sitting on hundreds of years worth of treasuries, and the fact that Patchy can transmute various rare materials to sell to whoever in the outside, plus they probably still have random property and mineral rights or whatever you could get up to in a few centuries. And there's always trading magic or having an endorsement from THE Scarlet Devil for the Youkai that still hang around in the outside trade networks, too.

Or just through threat of violence. Violence works. "Maybe you let us get the good stuff so Flan doesn't have to explode your kneecaps?"

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>>45039933
"satori gets mind raped so much she became a pervert herself" is a good one.
if I'm not mistaking, kawayabug uses this.

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>>45044348
fun fact: rabbits are inmune to inbreding's side effects. truly nature's greatest love machine

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>>45063965
A quick google search shows that this is not true.
As far as i know the only animal in the planet that inbreed like that is a species of fly.

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>>45063519
>They just keep them locked up and living in, by modern standards, awful living conditions.
>Official manga largely contradicts that. This is PMISS lore and therefore mostly outdated.
Good thing this is a fanon thread, so we can freely ignore that shit.
Seriously, fuck post-SoPM lore. If I wanted an unfunny "topical" satire set in a "boring" dystopia, I'd just watch the news.
>>45063751
Why would youkai stay outside? There's not much keeping them there, and living there is probably comparable to a desert. Is it stubbornness?

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>>45067056
>desert

Depending on the type of them, some actually thrive in the outside world, despite the odds, and are part of the network that helps keep things running smoothly.

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>>45067072
Which ones? I know Mamizou lived outside for a long time, but I imagined it was less due to her being a tanuki and more due to Sado being somewhat backwaterish with an aging population, and due to her having her own shrine. So in my opinion it's the place that matters. Siberia would probably be great, as it's both close and far from human civilisation.

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>>45067126
It's never actually stated, that I'm aware of, but implied. Just like certain gods that have found a niche place in the Outside World and were able to adapt, it's said that the same goes for some Youkai, and then there's the "modern" Youkai that will be born from modern day humanity with no one really sure as to what form they will take, but urban legends are the equivalent of what we can expect. There's also a subtle nod towards company mascots, anime characters, and tulpas being implied to be some of the next forms the new ones could take if you squint hard enough during that interview with the big wigs and Marisa.

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>>45068930
Hopefully whatever the new youkai are get killed off by humanity, youkai are already pretty dangerous but ones adapted to the modern world would be worse.

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>>45068930
>anime characters
Only if they're like Minky Momo and cause actual natural disasters.

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>>45068963
Well, you've got Slender Man, the whole "what if childhood cartoon, but EVIL?!", and all kinds of other crap. The way it works, you believe in the backrooms enough and you may actually fall in them.

But then again, that also means that a bunch of the beneficial stuff will be around, too-like that long horse thing.
So, 50/50.

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>>45069160
youkai are the enemy of humanity no matter what age they come from, and they need to be exterminated immediately. No matter what they do they take advantage of and prey of humans for their own existence and promote superstition.

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>>45069624
The issue with that. The Youkai leaving or dying out didn't make our world any safer. There was a power vacuum that was subsequently filled by the worst of humanity. The benefit of it being Youkai, is that you can do certain things to keep them away. With humans, you have to shoot the bastard, but the problem with that is-the corrupt are also at the top and can get what they want from you without lifting a finger. So, like some youkai, but at least with them you had more options to keep them out of you business. Not so much the case anymore.

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>>45069708
>power vacuum
never was one, that's always been filled by humans, since there's never been enough youkai to be much more than a rounding error in numbers
be it old days or modern, there's likely only ever been a few thousand youkai at any given time, vs tens of millions of humans, now well over a hundred million

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>>45043290 Except Sanae in canon is busty.

Look at HM. She's pretty much the only background character with notable bust, and it BOUNCES.

Look at art of her in the mangas [Like her cover art in CDS; where pretty much every character is flat as a pancake]. Even her pixel attack sprite in Touhou 19 has a VERY visible bust when she moves. And that's a big deal because it's pretty darn rare for characters to have anything besides maybe a small curve or a slight shadow in any mainline game.

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>>45071162
That's because she's from a time period where the food was more abundant and had more nutritional value, so she's stacked for a Japanese girl.

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>>45069708
Anon, humans have been in charge for two thousand years. Even in backwards shitholes like Japan they were regularly getting owned by random Samurai. They haven't been a actual threat since the likes of Ravenna and the gigantomachy.

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>>45071162
>>45071298
>Byakuren and Sanae are both canon tit monsters
God, I love this timeline.

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>>45071321
Yukari and Ran as well, the great youkai have great assets

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>>45071162
Imagine the fucking envy from Raymoo and Marisa
they're stunted Meiji era japs, then this new miko comes in with more tit than both of them combined

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>>45071478
Reimu at least contributes a little. Marisa meanwhile could be argued provides negative boobage.

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>>45071528
If that's all she has, then even Tewi has bigger tits than her

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>>45071531
okay retard

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>>45071468
I've actually heard mixed things about canon Yukari. Though I freely admit I always imagined her as a titty monster.

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>>45071478
Big or small, love em all. But anything more than a handful is a waste.
And that's why Remi is my favorite.

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>>45071614
Remilia doesn't count since she literally never went through puberty.

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Reimu getting mogged is my favorite art genre.

I wonder if she hangs around Marisa because she's the only girl in Gensokyo she can mog.

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>>45071654
Pair of Divine B(r)easts.

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>>45071478
Sanae can simply rest her breasts on Marisa's head. Her chest size is the least of Marisa's issues.

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>>45071641
More than enough for reason for the average /jp/sissy to want to have sex with her.

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>>45071641
She's related to a count (no, she isn't)

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>>45071654
Imagine getting mogged by your pet lmao

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>>45071314
>Ravenna
? What does the Italian city have to do with that

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>>45071734
>her chest size is the least of marisa's issues
sanae's chest is the size of marisa's daddy issues

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>>45071734
>Her chest size is the least of Marisa's issues
me after convincing marisa i can increase her cup size by groping and licking her flat breasts for several hours straight

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A /tg/-adjacent question, what kind of Touhou TTRPG campaign would you like to play/run? Have you run or played in any before?
For me, I'd probably increase Gensokyo's size somewhat and run it using modified BX D&D. Something about the idea of non-lethal dungeoncrawls gets my brain running, and the domain play aftewards is just a recipe for all sorts of hillarious disasters.

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>>45072933
I meant the figure from India.

>>45076369
I would probably just run it using Pathfinder. Assuming I'm playing with Touhou fans, and I don't see why I wouldn't, I don't think I would need to restrict classes or races. Might throw in some rules to handle youkai regeneration and weakness to holy magic.

As for the type of campaign, I would probably run a cross between Modern Gensokyo and PCB Gensokyo. The entire setting is dystopian, human villagers are cattle, etc. But there are also human village youkai exterminators and you can become a magician pretty easily. Wouldn't bother with spellcard rules though. While the idea of non lethal combat can be fun, I prefer to actually have the characters be threatened.

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>>45076369
HYTNPDND?

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>>45077266
I guess we want different things from our Touhou campaign. Big part of what attracted me to it was non-lethality, not in a sense of GM fudging every roll, but of world itself being built that way. Doing away with spellcards for me would be missing the point.
Kind of made me disappointed in canon Touhou. Part of the reason I'm waiting for the Naratograph to be translated is to figure out what kind of campaign can even be run when sticking close to canon.
>>45077428
I'm surprised this meme still lives.

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>>45076369
Participated and ran a 2hu ttrpg campaign in Pathfinder 2e. The first time was an adaptation of Touhou 11 and the second an adaptation of Touhou 6. I GM'ed the second time.

I don't really want to go into detail about the campaigns except we never made it past stage 1 both times. We had fun, but we never really managed to go farther than stage 1.

PF2e gets memed on a lot for having melee bias and terrible spellcasters but it did work for our dungeon crawley "complete maps to finish stage 1" level design. There was definitely lethality involved and many youkai rip cirno, rumia and yamame were exterminated. However, pf2e was simple enough to learn and GM so I found it fun.
new 2hu campaign never ever because the group moved on to official adventures

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>>45077646
I guess that's fair?

The one big advantage of playing with non spell card rules is that your players are probably likely to do really stupid fucking things more often. Which, feels very fitting for a Touhou story.

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>>45078622
>Cirno
How the fuck did the players manage that?

Killing a fairy is only slightly easier than killing Mokou.

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>>45031765
>What are your favorite fanon depiction of 2hu that improve or even much better than ZUN's original vision?
There's a chink fanfic where Marisa reads Nietzsche and is basically Ivan Karamazov, Reimu is weary of life and suicidal executioner, Keine is a socialist terrorist fighting for equality between youkai and humans and praises Hegel, and Kaguya is s brain parasite in Mokou's head trying to corrupt her into accepting "the truth" and succumbing to her dark desires aka De Sade.

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>>45078970
In the Cirno thing I was a player so I had no idea if we had actually killed her. But what happened was that Cirno was guarding a cave to the Underground with a bunch of other fairies. While we tried to trick Cirno into going away with a contest of strength, she somehow managed to beat our Giant Instinct Barbarian who was not-momoyo in a contest of strength. We then proceeded to brutally beat her up and reduce her to 0 HP, maybe killing her? I mean canonically she would come back but in terms of that encounter she had a gigantic pickaxe critically smashed into her. Guess she wouldn't be able to come back from that one for a while?

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>>45079068
I would have had her come back later pissed off.

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>>45079055
Marisa seemed interested in Koishing' herself when Miko and Byakuren talked about how Koishi embraced nothingness so that's not too far off.

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>>45076369
Sadly my group are not weebs in the slightest but if I had the chance I'd run it using one of the touhou systems.

I'd love to run a spell card oriented game if we play as OChus or play a more combat oriented one if we play as males.
I'd have a lot of gming that but alas my group doesn't appreciate cute things so it'll have to wait till I find one that does

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>>45079098
That would have been cool. We got the three fairies of light as recurring NPCs instead. We got really attached to them, so when one of them got caught in Yamame's web and she wouldn't let them go...Yameme had to go.

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>>45079148
She had it coming.

Honestly, another downside with playing Gensokyo lethally is that very few players have any tolerance for Youkai bullshit.
>Do a perception check and realize Mystia is a youkai trying to scam them.
>"Roll initiative."
>Get scammed by Nitori
>"Roll initiative."
>Suika walks around town obviously being a Oni.
>"Roll initiate."
>Kogasa tries to scare you.
>"Roll initiate."

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>>45079183
I mean...not every player is murderhobo tier. On a surface level the players like most 2hus and aren't willing to kill them just because they are acting sus. Also, 2e provides mechanics to affect how NPCs react to you. RAW you can make a variety of skill checks (deception, diplomacy, intimidation, sometimes performance) to make 2hus friendly to you. On top of that, you can use skill actions to influence how encounters go. That, along with a victory point system, allows you to have a tense social encounter using skill checks where no one dies but violence could break out.
A real example in the Touhou 11 campaign was a tense encounter with Nitori where we had to talk our way out of being attacked at gunpoint. There were some serious diplomacy and stealth checks rolled.
However, if the youkai are being youkai like, can you really blame the party for defending themselves? I guess when it comes to lethality in 2hu campaign, I'd rather have the youkai be dangerous in exchange for letting us be dangerous too. It feels a bit incongruous for a swashbuckler finisher to not lethally put down a fairy or for Yamame's bite to not deal lethal poison on hit.
wonder if we have enough people here to play a 2hu campaign

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>>45079277
Youkai are pretty though, spiritually weak though. So I imagine a swashbuckler finish, even it it did decapitate or 'kill' them wouldn't put them down for good.

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>>45079277
That's fair. I do wonder how many Touhou fans suddenly start being willing to sacrifice characters to protect their character.

I'm willing. Though time might be a issue right now.

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>>45079277
Well, we got at least 3 people here, so yeah. Though if this is going to be Pathfinder, count me out. I got too used to how smooth BX is, all this talk of skill checks is making my skin crawl.

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>>45079277
>spoiler
My weekends are a little packed but I'd love too

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>>45079307
Well looking at fortune teller it was the physical blow to the head that killed him. Even though the blow was dealt by Reimu, I would argue that sufficiently strong application of force to a youkai could eventually kill it. Most youkai aren't immortal.
>>45079310
>>45079333
>>45079335
Well if time is an issue play by post is an option. An IRC or its modern equivalent can be made to log posts and rolling can be done on the server itself.
I'm not particularly fussy about what system I play too, so long as someone who understands the system is GMing. For what it's worth, pf2e is easy enough to understand and pick up and you don't really have to build your character around making skill checks if you don't want to. Only weird classes like swashbuckler and thaumaturge regularly rely on skill checks - your average fighter, cleric, druid and bard don't really have to do skill checks to be effective and still be the best classes in the game

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>>45079444
If our times don't work out well we could do that but I'd prefer a more traditional session if possible, I'm free Saturday and Sunday mornings as well as Fridays all day

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>>4507944
I wouldn't mind playing normally and I'm free on Fridays, but I don't consider my spoken English to be very good.
I would like to try MYON, because I've never heard of anyone actually playing it, but I won't mind any other system, even if I don't like it.

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>>45079444
I wouldn't mind playing normally and I'm free on Fridays, but I don't consider my spoken English to be very good.
I would like to try MYON, because I've never heard of anyone actually playing it, but I won't mind any other system, even if I don't like it.

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>>45079612
Same with MYON. I downloaded it the other day and added it to my little collection of other touhou ttrpgs. It seems simple enough but fun.

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>>45079809
What else is there?
- Tale of Phantasmal Land
- Danmaku Yuugi / Danmaku Hanamatsuri (fanmade rework)
- Gensokyo d20 (D&D 3.5e conversion)
- Odd Resistentialist Exercise (Monsters and Other Childish Things conversion)
- Touhou Venturesome Quest (french only)
- Land of Illusions setting for Golden Sky Stories
- Gensou Naratograph (ZUN-approved (?), untranslated)

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>>45031765
The running gag of Yukari being an old hag never gets old.
unlike her

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>>45080172
>Tale of Phantasmal Land
More like tale of the phantasmal lead, fucking Youkai need a bullet in the brain.

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>>45079612
>>45079809
Tell me about myon. Is it a d20 game? What assumptions does it make about gensokyo in terms of canon?

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>>45082911
seems to be a d10 game and it seems to rely heavily on PMiSS lore since it was probably written when it was the newest thing.
In terms of customizing characters and such it seems very good as a system

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>>45082911
It's a d10 dicepool system where your pool is equal to your stats, but you only use the results of the amount of dice equal to the skill you're using.
It's unfinished, but playable, although I have some minor gripes with it, like melee skils being the same with no mechanical differences (danmaku skills have a similar issue, but it's offset by how they interplay with each other), and some of the racial abilities being weak, and the game using a vancian magic system, even though there's no inventory management.

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>>45080172

Gensou Naratograth is already translated actually.

https://files.catbox.moe/3c1nob.pdf

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>>45085771
Nice, thank you!
Also holy fuck ZUN played GURPS

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>>45080188
I would probably like it more fi it was actually combined with her canon personality.

>She's a soulless child killing serial killer and murderous dictator.
>But she's also REALLY insecure about her age.

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>>45079444
Play by post is a option, yeah. Should we organize a discord or something?

>I'm not particularly fussy about what system I play too, so long as someone who understands the system is GMing.
I've played a bit of Pathfinder. Not quite as familiar with second edition.

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>>45087196
her canon personality is crippling autism instead, so says Suika

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>>45085771
Neat. Read the system, lots of checks made so I'm thinking B/X anon won't like it. Do you happen to have a map that comes with the CRB?

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>>45087210
Well this thread won't last forever so someone should make something. I was thinking a matrix server because of the reputation discord servers get and matrix has most of the functionality discord has. However, I'd like to keep the discussion in this thread for now so we can hash out:
>What system
>What we expect from our gensokyo campaign (nonlethal/serious/fanon/canon)
>Means of play (pbp, live voice, live text sessions)
>Other stuff I haven't thought of
Tagging those anons who showed interest:
>>45079612
>>45079536
>>45079335
>>45079333
>>45079310

Just to keep this thread on topic I want to talk about newhus because the canon for those hus aren't as well known as older characters. What's the deal with the animal spirits. Are they actual gangs or is that fanon? If so, what kind of crime do they engage in?

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>>45087471

Sure! It's a bit too large for /jp/ unfortunatly:
https://files.catbox.moe/ruhdpx.png

Also, the character sheet:
https://files.catbox.moe/honbsl.pdf

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>>45087308
Dream Kasen and Yuyuko also seem to think things similar, being crippling autistic and engaging in convicted plans to get people to like you isn't mutually exclusive with her mass murdering traits.

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>>45087543
Honestly this is one of the reasons I took to Okina so hard, she seems similar at a glance but couldn't be more different
>Yuakri's plan to steal a bottle from the Moon: 100 pages long stratagem involving multiple pawns with a great number of failure points
>Okina's plan against an immovable object: haha unstoppable force go forth

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>>45087893
The bottle part was just Yuyuko's idea Yukari's plan seems to have just been to fuck with Eirin in a petty way and Yuyuko ended up choosing the sake.

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>>45087893
What did they meant by this?

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>>45087518
Filling the form:
>What system
I'm still in, even if it's going to be Pathfinder, I just don't think it'll be Touhou enough without some major homebrewing, no matter the system. My proposal for MYON still stands, but in case we are going for a d20 system, here's that 3.5e conversion I mentioned, might have something useful: http://web.archive.org/web/20190518222459/http://gensod20.alotspace.com/
>What we expect from our gensokyo campaign
A bit of an ureasonable request: I know this will probably take too much unnecessary worldbuilding and homebrewing, but please, add some form of domain play. I want some actual faction interactions, I need that Amaden hit.
>nonlethal/serious
For my campaign I wanted to have lethality on a sliding scale, with fights againts some opponents like feral youkai or Lunarians being to the death, while with everyone else it's more of a play. Would like something like that
>fanon/canon
Closer to fanon, I don't like post-SoPM lore.
>Means of play
Play-by-post and live voice are fine. I'd rather not slow down the game with my typing speed. Though if we're playing live, timezones might become a problem.
I'm fine with any means of communication, matrix, teamspeak, discord, whatever. Maybe not with play-by-mail.

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>>45088864
>MYON
I can't find a source for that. Can you link it?

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>>45087518
I just realised I didn't fill in my own form.
>What system
I am most familiar with Pathfinder 2e to the point where I can GM it well. Have pretty much no experience with anything else, including Pathfinder 1e/D&D 3.5. I think Gensou Naratograph is pretty sick and would definitely play/GM that. MYON (based on the sketchy pdfs found online) seems a bit difficult to understand how to play.
>What we expect from our gensokyo campaign
I just want to have fun roleplaying with 2hus.
>nonlethal/serious
either or is fine.
>fanon/canon
either or is fine.
>Means of play
I have done live voice and live text before, would like to try play-by-post to get around dumb scheduling issues and to give me more time to write up nice detailed rp.

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>>45079444
I don't mind anything, if no one else will I could get a discord server up
yeah yeah discord whatever, it is a good client for our needs though
>>45089032
https://files.catbox.moe/pc75vz.pdf
have a myon with your MYON

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>>45089113
The weird thing is that I couldn't find anything about MYON or its author, like it just poofed into existance. I found it in a torrent archive of thetrove by accident.

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>>45089175
>I found it in a torrent archive of thetrove by accident.
exactly where I got my copy

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>>45087518
>What system
I'm fine with Pathfinder. Not as familiar with second edition but if I can... acquire a copy of the book I should be fine.

>What we expect from our gensokyo campaign (nonlethal/serious/fanon/canon)
Defintly canon, but I'm fine with earlier canon. PCB flavored, PMISS, Synopsium, PS68.

Non lethal is fine as long as we have a decent way of handing non lethal combat.

>Means of play (pbp, live voice, live text sessions)
PBP seems teh easiest unless the times match up.

>Other stuff I haven't thought of
Anybody want to or has GM'd in the past?

> What's the deal with the animal spirits. Are they actual gangs or is that fanon?
It's weird. They are basically a parody of a specific realm in hell where hunters are torn apart by animals for all eternity. But instead of animals, they are a type of youkai that live in a big urban city and act like the yakuza.

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>>45087308
Autists can be soulless serial killers as well.

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>>45089337
*PC98
Yes, I have Blue Archive on my mind.

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>>45089378
Kivotos is just Gensokyo if Rinnosuke is the MC

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>>45087518
>>What system
Personally I don't have experience in pathfinder or even really DnD so while i'd be fine with whatever the learning curve would be less if we went with a simpler system
>>What we expect from our gensokyo campaign (nonlethal/serious/fanon/canon)
I'm fine with a mix or adhering to one or the other, canon being what it is it'd probably be impossible to only do one when it comes to less well defined characters and locations. Heaven forbid we head into Makai without dipping into old and flimsy lore.
>>Means of play (pbp, live voice, live text sessions)
I prefer live sessions with voice, imo its a lot more fun and chaotic.

>What's the deal with the animal spirits. Are they actual gangs or is that fanon? If so, what kind of crime do they engage in?
All that I can see says they're kinda like gangs but with different ways of doing things. More like clans in how they operate but its a minor difference.
Well to do crime they first have to set laws, interestingly enough you could say that their crime is imposing organization into a chaotic realm.

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>>45089337
>Anybody want to or has GM'd in the past?
I'd like to, but I'm already running another campaign right now, and it's the first one in years. Word of advice - never try to learn GURPS on your own, you'll just get stuck theorycrafting instead of actually running something.

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>>45089426
I wouldn't mind trying to be a GM myself. I like the idea of writing interactive stories.

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>>45089337
>Anybody want to or has GM'd in the past?
I'm a forever GM anyways so I could but I don't use pathfinder, DND or GURPS. Also i'm not the strongest on all the obscure lore as I only got into touhou about last year

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>>45089436
What do you run?

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>>45089337
As said before, I've GM'ed PF2e but only PF2e. I'd be able to GM for that system but nothing else.
>>45089412
It's kind of interesting because Keiki is also trying to do the same thing. What makes the animal gangs evil really then? It's really just two different interpretations of order?

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>>45089472
>What makes the animal gangs evil really then?
Mostly just what they do with their power.

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>>45089445
Not to get too into /tg/ into territory but I fixed up, developed, and ran a deadspace campaign using a custom threadbare set of rules an acquaintance of mine made before for about half a year.
during the tail end of that I've made my own custom system based around Cataclysm dark days ahead based on d20(I think i'm going to change it to d100 soon though). I've been actively running that system for about a year now. I plan to eventually release it on a kickstarter or something once I fix up some of the clunkier aspects with my test group.

I wouldn't mind learning DnD, PF, or GURPs to GM for this but i'd rather spend my efforts learning a system tailored for it like Narratograph or MYON. Also I have a good map maker like dungeondraft that has tons of fantasy assets i've never gotten to use since I've only done scifi campaigns so far

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>>45089508
>I wouldn't mind learning DnD, PF, or GURPs to GM for this but i'd rather spend my efforts learning a system tailored for it like Narratograph or MYON
Have you read Myon or Narratograph already?

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>>45089433
I wouldn't call GMing too similar to writing stories. Stories have a beggining, middle and end, and RPG campaigns usually suffer from being structured that way.
>>45089508
Man, that's cool. Rare to see someone so into full homebrewing. Good luck publishing.
>Also I have a good map maker like dungeondraft that has tons of fantasy assets i've never gotten to use since I've only done scifi campaigns so far
I used to think everything needed a detailed map, but now all my maps are handdrawn, scanned and edited in paint, and I don't show my dungeon maps to players at all.
Speaking of, one cool thing you could do in Touhou is full on 3D dungeons with pointcrawls. Imagine trying to map out the SDM library as a player, when it twists and turns in all three dimentions while being constantly assaulted.

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>>45089593
i've skimmed through both to get a feel of it and they both seem simple to pick up in a week or so and run a decent game within their rules. I do like the more professional style of Narra personally.
speaking of systems I had another one, flowers or something was its theme but for the life of me I can't find that system

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>>45089674
>speaking of systems I had another one, flowers or something
Danmaku Yuugi. Don't bother, it's incomprehencible. There's a fan remake called Danmaku Hanamatsuri, which is supposedly actually playable.

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>>45089669
>I used to think everything needed a detailed map, but now all my maps are handdrawn, scanned and edited in paint, and I don't show my dungeon maps to players at all.
>Speaking of, one cool thing you could do in Touhou is full on 3D dungeons with pointcrawls. Imagine trying to map out the SDM library as a player, when it twists and turns in all three dimentions while being constantly assaulted.
Personally I just enjoy doing battle maps and having a good map for hub areas, I used to do it for every location when I was new but it was tiresome and took hours of prep before each session, still takes hours but its much lighter unless I want to really have fun making a map.
A 3d map? i've done similar things to it before using blocks of the map sectioned off and revealed at certain times to create an illusion of 3d thats worked well enough. It seems like an interesting idea to try to do more with 3d though I might leave some of it to theater of the mind since I have a small brain

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>>45089669
That's fair. I should probably save this for when we have a server up, but overall I would like to DM but if somebody else more experienced wants to do it I totally get that.

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Funny you should mention that.
>>45089727
Because of how quickly the thread is moving (for /jp/ standards anyway) I've created an element space (which is basically a discord) so that discussion can continue even when this thread inevitably dies.
https://matrix.to/#/!akrxbkeNRxYVGmgerw
:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Please use this room responsibly.

I'd like to continue discussion here though because it's better to have publically available archives and information rather than having everything stuck in some exclusive chatroom where no one will find it.

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>>45089472
Zun says the whole realms dealis different dystopia battling it out, the Yakuza are largely survival of the fittest and corporate dystopias and Keike is a rogue servitor.

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>>45089754
I'm unable to connect, am I retarded?

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>>45089778
when you go to the link, click continue. then click continue (for element), continue again, then sign up for element.

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I know that canon Okuu is dumber than a sack of rocks, partly because she has to house Yatagarasu but I really like to headcanon that she's more capable than lmao 2int.

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>>45089754
It claims I'm not invited to join that room.

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>>45089832
I like her being into science and a really capable physicists, mathematician, and sun god while being a birdbrain at everything else.

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>>45089832
She's actually a high int low wisdom character considering she knows a lot about nuclear power.

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>>45089790
it says its an invalid url

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>>45089858
>>45089883
Right. I've made the room more visible and I've reissued the url. Try it out again?
https://matrix.to/#/!akrxbkeNRxYVGmgerw:matrix.org?via=matrix.org

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>>45089832
Okuu is the sort of person who can rebuild a V2 but struggles at putting shoes on the correct feet.

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>>45031765
Yuuma having sharp teeth and scary eyes
FUCK YOU ZUN

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>>45089874
I fanwanked that she also knows a lot about quantum physics because that's pretty important for nuclear fusion.
But that was purely to make a gag in my fic about her suddenly dropping a joke about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle (related to where Orin was at any given point in time).

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Random question but do demons exist in touhou? And if they do, are they considered a type of youkai? Or are they different beings altogether?

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>>45090326
Yes. But it's mostly PC95 lore and therefore of questionable canon.

>And if they do, are they considered a type of youkai?
They are Shiki's personal creations.

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>>45090326
Depends on how you define demon. If you mean creatures native to hell, then there are kishin and (acclimatized) oni. If you mean fallen angels then there is Tenshi.

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>>45090326
Zun has mentioned them before when talking about Vampires and Magicians, we also know Makai is inhabited by a race known as Demons, but we barely have any modern info about them.
My headcannon is Demon is just a name for the native inhabitants of Makai who posses similar traits to Magicians and Vampires due to the environment of Makai being more conductive to those types of abilities due to all of the miasma that's there.

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>>45090331
>>45090340
ZUN said several times that PC-98 should be discarded when talking about canon, I know it will hurt some fans but it is what it is
>>45090336
But Onis are a type of youkai, aren't they? And aren't devils also considered a species of youkai? They even have vampires as a subspecies, what would the difference between a devil and demon be? And are spirits a type of youkai too? So much shit that remain unanswered

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>>45090374
No the fuck it isn't, Gengetsu will come back any day now.

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>>45090374
>PC-98 should be discarded when talking about canon
Nah, he said that it's canon until later material contradicts it
Which is basically the same that PC-98 should be regarded non canon considering that fuckton of their material become inconsistent with the today's canon, but still...

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>>45090509
Alice being a human who somehow fell into makai and learned magic there, and Marisa being a Gensokyo villager taught magic by an angry spook might still be canon, since nothing really contradicts it.
Same thing with Reimu needing to ride on a flying turtle to get around, before she learned to fly herself.

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>>45090540
>Alice being a human who somehow fell into makai and learned magic there,
Actually, Alice in the old game was a creation of Shiki.

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>>45090374
Makai still exists in the windows era, that's where the miasma and magicians deal comes from, the comments about devils also comes from post pc-98 Zun statements.
There's barely any pc-98 in my statement, something more headcannon is me thinking the scarlet sisters originate from there, moved to europe, then moved to gensokyo due to Flandre implying they are born vampires not infected.

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>>45090565
I don't remember this being specifically said. We don't even know if PC98 Alice is even a demon.
The lack of profile omakes leaves really little in the way of character backstories in the old games.

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>>45090741
I always assumed they were from Sweden due to them having apparently robbed the Norse gods.

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>>45090945
I wish we got more lore on them, although considering their, or at least flan's powers they might be something like Utushu. Living shrines for Odin and Surtur.

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>>45090741
>Makai still exists in the windows era
very different form what we understand, its only mentioned once or twice in a few games

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>>45090969
I like the idea that Remilia renamed herself because her actual name is some dumb Swedish name.

>"Schlippenbach? Who the hell would be afraid of a vampire named Schlippenbach?"
>"I know, Scarlet! Yes, that would work."

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>>45091385
It's very cute and in character for a Chuuni like Remi to do something like that, and I'm sure Flan and Sayaka would just go along with it to entertain her.
The idea of a relative coming over and embarrassing them with her swedisms is also funny.

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>>45090202
That's how I see her as well. She is not very bright and has poor social skills, but as soon as it veers into the territory of nuclear physics and adjacent topics suddenly you can have an enlightening PhD level conversation with her. By extension this would make her great at math, but she has an inverted difficulty with the subject where creating proofs and calculus is simple, but elementary math is harder; especially outside of the application and discussion of nuclear and associated physics.

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>>45090945
Forbidden Scrollery implies Remilia's native language is English, and she's older than the USA, so she's probably British.

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>>45092276
it doesn't necessarily mean that she is british
say she was french, right, she would have been an aristocrat at the height of the french revolution, and britain would have been at the height of the empire
it's just as possible that she fled france for britain, learnt english and used it enough for it to become her default, and sakuya might have been british for all we know

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>>45090540
Even if that's true, that's just meant that their backstory from PC-98 is still canon, and not the entire thing entirely, same as Makai seemingly being so different in the Windows canon
Yuuka from having her own mansion in the Lake of Blood to become some sort of flower hobo is pretty telling example that ZUN couldn't be assed to match the already existing PC-98 lore to the new Windows canon

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>>45031765
I like to think that Youmu is far more serious and effective at her job than she actually is.

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>>45095368
My favourite Youmu is a mixture, one that acts like the half-baked dolt she is while effortlessly looking like the baddest mofo

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>>45031765
It's cool when artists explore interactions that would rarely/never happen in canon. I don't mean crack ship bullshit, just interesting scenarios from otherwise isolated characters coming together for more than just a party at the shrine.
Chen and Orin being friends in CDS and UDoALG was a nice surprise and something I never thought I'd see beyond fan art.

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From what I understand, it seems like even people who claim to like canon more prefer fanon. Farcical satire is not everyone's cup of tea.

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>>45038277
unrelated but I remember playing Versus Saxton Hale in Hakurei Shrine map and it was really fun.
https://youtu.be/B2_m90cUlak?si=03OiCBKw25HoHcyR

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>>45045658
I always wonder how Meiling and Patchy became a resident to the Scarlet Devil mansion. People were theorizing that Sakuya used to be vampire hunter before being persuaded to become Remi’s maid and Patchy is an old acquaintance to Remi but I’m not sure where Meiling fits into the story. Maybe one day they decide to hire a chinese girl out of the whim lole?

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>>45105821
Remi decided to hire local natives before moving to Gensokyo but can't differentiate between Chinese and Japanese

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>>45105821
My headcanon is that Remilia used to travel around and she picked up Meiling after the boxer rebellion.

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>>45095426
I agree. Especially her being hyper competent at fighting and gardening but totally awful at everything else.

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>>45105821
I like to think she picked up Michael Alphonsus Shen Fu-Tsung (female in this timeline), but I doubt ZUN thought so.

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>>45105909
>”wait Meling, You are actually chinese???”

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>>45106030
Plot twist; everyone in Gensokyo also just assumed she was a fellow Japanese youkai until she mentioned it one day.

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>>45106030
She's actually from Laos. She's just given up on correcting people.

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>>45106056
What ocean?

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My favorite fanon usually relates directly to canon.
Reimu is an asshole, Sanae is a nerd from the outside word, Tewi pranks the shit out of everyone and enjoys lying.
The fairies of light are cute enough as is.
Sakuya being Remilia's bitch is pretty much canon at this point.
I guess the only fanon left that I still enjoy is Yuuka being a masochist and Alice being a legitimately lonely weirdo.

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Patchy as fat despite she’s literally a hikki who rarely go outside and probably underweight.

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>>45106126
I like to think of her as being really scrawny in the arms and legs but having something of a pot belly.

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>>45106109
Forest Parsee being a weird autist who scares people off through her antisocial behavior is canon, anon.

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Team 9

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>>45106151
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

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>>45105821
I mean if Meiling is a dragon it makes sense Remi would hire someone known for fiercely guarding treasures as a guard for her treasures
She just didn't realize a draco and a long are two different creatures

>>45106151
>>45106295
Something I rarely see noticed is that the magician trio represents three very common tropes:
Marisa is the witch on the broom living in a forest making potions and mixtures
Alice is the necromancer witch of the woods that steals children to make animated dolls out of them
Patchouli is the magician in a "tower" hoarding grimoires in her massive library, also pacts with the devil

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>>45106109
>Yuuka being a masochist
Huh. I've seen many iteration of Yuuka, but masochist isn't one of them.

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>>45106109
>Sakuya being Remilia's bitch is pretty much canon at this point.
Nah. Canon Sakuya is weird because she's also basically their babysitter.

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>>45106295
Alice doesn't suffer, anon. She's perfectly happy in her own little world of dolls.

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>>45106792
I think Masochistic Suika fits better, she does go to setsubun and Patchy tries to lure her to the SDM in order ambush her with them as well.
Despite everybody else in the mansion not liking setsubun that much.

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>>45106792
I think he meant sadistic. People seems to struggle a lot with these two words and always get them mixed together.

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desu i've been appreciating most fanon shits about 2hu than the canon
there's many cool doujins

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>>45107141
lol alice is adorable

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>>45111932
I appreciate porn doujins and erotic fanfiction for showing us what ZUN doesn't have the balls to show; Touhous getting dicked.

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>>45111989
Lewd was nice as a secondary, but when I actually got into Touhou I lost interest and leaned more into non-h doujinshi.
I know it's probably opposite for most people since familiarity makes the heartpenis stronger.

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>>45106030
I mean, the red hair, the blue eyes - why wouldn't Remilia assume she's scottish?

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You wanna know what really improves Zun's original vision? Giving all the characters GIGANTIC FAT FUCKING GAZONGAS.

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>>45106792
>power bottom masochist Yuuka
Oh yes, nigga. This is what I want.

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>>45119982
She's clearly been calling Meiling a mick the whole time and Meiling thinks it's too funny to correct her.

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>>45031765
tranny mods hate nogizaka
how surprising
MODS = FAGS

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>>45122052
Big asses too. Thick legs and wide hips.

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>>45112202
>familiarity makes the heartpenis stronger.
for me its actually the complete opposite

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>>45112202
The issue I have is that most characters in hentai doujins act insanely out of character.

Besides in Shota doujins.

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>>45112202
A tale as old as time. Came for the porn, stayed for the plot. I'll still go and check for new h-doujinshi of characters I like because I want to see Ran get railed more.
>>45124332
Quite a few of them is just porn but with a Touhou skin, and you might get a line of lip service to the setting at best. Most often they only have a single character and it's a oneshot so who gives a shit. When you get into multiple chapters/volumes, and it's not an anthology, then you could see some Touhou DNA pop in. It's also the nature of the beast: canon and most fanon don't veer into hentai territory, so anything about romance and sex is very likely going to be out of character. Despite that, pic related is still one of my favorites.

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>>45124530
>canon and most fanon don't veer into hentai territory, so anything about romance and sex is very likely going to be out of character.
I actually somewhat disagree with that. Despite how assexual most of the cast seems in canon, the nature of the subject matter (Youkai) is always going to be very sexual.

Like, I was kind of half joking about the shota doujins but a certain extent it is probably closer to the original myths simply because that is the kind of stuff they did there as well. Granted, the genders were usually inverted.

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>>45124530
>I want to see Ran get railed more.
I want to see Ran rail more asses with her fingers

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>>45031765
My biggest headcannon is in regards to the SDM, I have actually meaning to write a long ass fanfic about this, but I cant bring myself to actually start.
>Remilia was a vampire known as the Scarlet Devil from EU in a time where monster hunting and specially vampire hunting was a huge thing
>The church was at its peak of popularity and importance
>Remilia was a known vampire aristocrat, fairly powerful, but wasnt the most powerful, that place belonged to her sister, but she was too dangerous so Remilia had her as a last resort
>She also had a familiar called Koakuma that helped her mainaining her place
>Several vampire hunters were send to stop Remilia, but all failed
>Eventually the church decided to make a deal with a witch to send her and get rid of the vampire, since the church secretly employed other witches in the past
>Since the witch had an interest in easter magic, the church thought their plan would work
>The witch went out of her way to the mansion the vampire was said to live, in a far place in eastern Europe
>She defeated the vampires familiar easily and arrived to the master room
>But Remilia was smart, she could see that the witch wasnt that satisfied with her living conditions, so she tried to convince her to live with her in the mansion
>The witch declined, but guessed that the one thing the witch craved the most was knowledge, so she offered her the vast majority of her basement as a place to start a library and host all the magical tomes she wished to
>After thinking it, the witch obliged
>Remilia, happy to have a new friend to annoy, asked the witch her name
>Patchouli Knowledge
>Remilia employed her familiar to serve Patchouli in the new library construction and maintanance
>After not hearing news from the witch the church got desperate, and so they resorted to ask a formal vampire hunter clan to eliminate the vampire
>But the best vampire hunter clan dissappeared about a century ago, and their replacement was busy dealing with all the madness that was happening all over Europe, so they resorted to a third, lesser known and less ortodox clan
>The Van Helsing clan
>The church got in contact with the most recent descendant of said clan, a mysterious individual that preferred actions over words
>She was a appointed for the task and marched for the mansion without wasting time
>She went for the master room without alerting anyone using her abilities
>Remilia sensed the hunter and when she saw her she noticed instantly that bargain was not going to work
>So they started to fight
>The uproar caused by the duel was so much it woke up the vampires sister, and so she went to her sisters room to see what was happening
>The power of the hunter was too great and Remilia was beaten
>And just when the vampire hunter was about to finish her up, Flandre jumped into the room, taking the woman by surprise and saving her sisters skin
>However, when Flandre was about to crack the skull of the vampire hunter wide open her sister shouted her to stop, so she did, relucantly
>The hunter asked Remilia why she wasnt finished off and Remilia explained to her that her power was far too great to be wasted like that, so she made her an offer
>She would spare her life, and in exchange Remilia would employ her as her main servant
>The hunter with little to no choice decided to go along with it, swearing absolute loyalty to Remilia, abandoning humanity and serving under her wings
>Remilia noted that since her old name and identity were of no longer use, she should give her a new name, so, inspired by her friend Patchoulis research on eastern culture, she named her Sakuya Izayoi
>And so Sakuya, as a way to proof her loyalty and gain Remilias favor, warned her about how each new generation of vampire hunters was stronger than the last one, and so the day that she would not be able to protect her would eventually come if things didnt change
>Remilia was terrfied that someone stronger than Sakuya could even exist so she decided to lay low and stop hunting humans carelessly
>So she appointed her new chief maid to bring her humans to eat, luckily for her, her small apetite allowed her victims to live, and due to Sakuyas powers, the blood exctration process took less than a second in the victims perspective, only noting cuts in their skin
>And so the years went by, Patchoulis library grew and Sakuya made sure to maintain her mistresses existence low profile, and with that, the Scarlet Devil faded from fact to rumor, from rumor to legend, from legend to myth, and from myth to fantasy
>And so Gensokyo, land of fantasy, claimed the mansion and all its residents
>The first individual to come across the mansion was a lesser known youkai known as Hong Meiling, and after witnessing her utility, Remilia employed her
>And the rest is history

Did I went too far with this paranoia I mounted for myself? Yes, do I care? Nah.
The dates dont match and some details are off, but again, Im too lazy to make this an actual story.

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>>45125294
You made me realize how little fanwork there are trying to explain Patchy's past, or at least before she met Remi.
It's usually Sakuya, then Meiling to a lesser extent, hell even the sisters got some. But I can't think of a decent example for Patchy.

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>>45125294
I ike it. For as much SDM stuff as there is, pre-Gensokyo SDM is surprisingly not as prevalent.
>Im too lazy to make this an actual story.
You have the whole synopsis right there, why not do something with it. If not a proper story maybe just a short comic or CYOA.

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>>45130517
I guess because people are happy with Patchouli as she is, shes a neet asmatic girl, you dont need more to be happy.
>But I can't think of a decent example for Patchy
>decent
So there ARE examples? Care to link me to them? I want to read them.
>>45130529
>short comic
My drawing skills dont go that far, I dont know how to make comics.
>CYOA
And I am not creative enough to do that.
But since I feel that this might be worth the try I might actually get to finally write this, I will even illustrate it myself, seeing that there is people willing to read it.

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>>45131307
Here, from the artist of Suichouka in fact.
https://e-hentai.org/g/1392294/16084334e2/
tl;dr: it's really just one throwaway line implying Patchy is a shut-in bookworm before Remi takes her in. Nothing interesting imo.

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>>45131307
I can't remember the name, but I think I read a fiction that had Remi come across Patchouli about to get burnt as a witch and saved her, starting a friendship
At first I thought it was stupid, but then I foundbout that there still were sporadic deaths of people suspected of witchcraft, so it could have happened

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>>45125294
>Several vampire hunters were send to stop Remilia, but all failed
this is where I stoped reading. there is no way A zealous Vatican Swiss Guard Task Force would be this incompetent, Faith in Touhou means power and influence. these guys are literally Yorihime on steroids.

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>>45130517
I like to think that Patchouli is Russian, and that when Aleister Crowley lived in St. Petersburg in 1897, Patchouli was the one who was teaching him Russian. However, he then stole some of her research materials, and drank an alchemical experiment of hers, leading to the illness and the fever dreams that would make him abandon his previous goal of a consular career in Russia in favor of esoteric research. Remilia was already friends with her by this point, but Patchy didn't move in until 1917 to flee the October Revolution, because there was a small cult of Communist magicians who wanted to steal her library and research to develop magical weapons for the revolution, and Remilia convinced her that the Bolsheviks would torture her to death for coming from an old noble family with connections to the Tsar.

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>>45132741
What the actual fuck did you just make me read anon.
I love it

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>>45132741
>the Bolsheviks would torture her to death for coming from an old noble family with connections to the Tsar
1917 was way too early for that, in fact almost 20 years too early. Plenty of old families had people in the CPSU at the time, and the CPSU was ideologically in favour of re-education and material destruction of aristocrats not physical. You'd really have to have her have foreknowledge of the Stalin years and of the fates of the Old Bolsheviks. Plus, even in the Stalin years, torture was only used if someone didn't want to "confess" for the show trials, the preferred form of execution was just shooting someone in the back of the head.

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>>45132741
>I like to think that Patchouli is Russian
And she's a tankie as well. She's a holodomor denier.

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>>45132825
One could imagine that Remilia, having witnessed peasant revolutions previously in the last few centuries, figured it was going to happen eventually. Additionally, she needed the library intact to eventually move to Gensokyo, which "material destruction of aristocrats" would threaten.

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>>45112202
>Lewd was nice as a secondary, but when I actually got into Touhou I lost interest and leaned more into non-h doujinshi.
It's the same for me. It's impossible to fap anymore to the dark doujins that has my favorite characters in it.

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>>45132859
it is never not funny the internet decided tankie meant Stalinist, when by the point it was coined it'd be as accurate to call Brez a Stalinist as Stalin a Trot

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>>45132902
"Patchy, about the communists."
"What about them. The idealogues of society are revolting constantly these days. Sometimes they rise up as well, but these new pigs in the sty are no different than they who came before."
"Patchy, the Tsar will soon lack the ability to have a hope at defending his palace, even the doorman has gone off to fight the Germans."
"Wars come and go, the faces change and the world turns. The Russian people have lived under a Tsar ever since the Mongols turned their backs on the land. The situation will normalise soon enough."
"Patchy, the British fled at Gallipoli, the French are being slaughtered at the Somme, and the Germans are marching to Smolensk as we speak. The Tsar has spent every kopek in the country to buy American rifles just to have something for his men to shoot, this might be different."
"Remy, both of us know that if the Huns got withing a thousand miles of Moscow, they'd freeze solid come winter, and the Western powers would finish them while they bleed themselves dry. Things will be fine."
"Patchy..."
"Do you doubt my predictions? Napoleon was a greater man than the Kaiser, and I don't recall the Tricolour flying over the Winter Palace."
"I don't doubt that the winter would cripple the German advance. But the people... They might not be so arrogant when the Cossacks are lying in a rotting heap in a field, and the Huns are boarding in their cousin's homes. Come with me a while, we can wait it out in the Orient. I know you'd like to take a crack at Chinese mysticism, and if I'm wrong you may call me a wench come your dying day."
"... Fine then. But we're getting a gatekeeper while we're there. My books mean the world to me, and I'm not having some rat come in and take them for themselves."
"Lovely! You have my word that your librarary shall be safe, for at least the next century!"

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>>45133068
>for at least the next century!
da ze~

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>>45132902
Bolsheviks weren't a peasant revolution either. Those were the Greens and sometimes the Blacks, the Bolsheviks were the Reds and their supporter was almost entirely comprised of the urban poor and intelligentsia. Peasants violently resisting the Bolsheviks was why the Bolsheviks decided to destroy peasants as a class too and reorganise them into rural labourers on state farms or collective farms. Though I will give you that Saturn devouring his sons was called for every revolution since the French Terror.

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>>45133174
Fate manipulation, ᵐᵘᵐᵇˡᵉ ᵐᵘᵐᵇˡᵉ premonitions, ᵐᵘᵐᵇˡᵉ ᵐᵘᵐᵇˡᵉ foresight, ᵐᵘᵐᵇˡᵉ ᵐᵘᵐᵇˡᵉ all part of the plan ᵐᵘᵐᵇˡᵉ ᵐᵘᵐᵇˡᵉ...

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>>45039071
none of the 2hu's are virgins. i fucked them all

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>>45132927
Ok Trotskyite.

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>>45132174
You know, that is actually a pretty fair point.
Welp, no point in writing now, its going to remain as a silly fun headcanon.

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>>45132174
>Faith in Touhou means power and influence
Doesnt that apply to Gensokyo only though?

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>>45134595
Earth in Touhou isn't our Earth and has a wacko timeline. Faith in the modern outside world in Touhou still operates the same as in Gensokyo, it is just being directed elsewhere and closer to heart like friends, the news, brands, and companies. Gods and the like just aren't the object of your faith anymore.

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>>45134698
What does that have to do with the fact that Remilia couldn't be a group of vampire hunters? Lets say they believed and had faith in God, they are still human and are limited as such, and Remilia is a powerful magical creature with control over fate.

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>>45132174
> literally Yorihime on steroids.
Not sure if they were even able of flight.
Either they were more of the classic "faith is mostly anti-magic" or had a bit of everything. Considering that youkai and magic managed to disappear.
Christians didn't completely curb stomp the world(nor got curb stomped before even becoming an organization), so the workings of faith-power are a bit... wacky?
I really wonder how abrahamic religions would really works in a setting like Touhou considering all the different churches and such.
Does each church's power only grow with faith specific to the church or does the "mind-fueling" overlap?
>>45134726
nta, but something along the lines magic/miracles/superpowers exist also in the outside world. Even if they are kinda gone in present times.

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>>45135551
Yes, that was what the anon that originally wrote the fanfic implied, magic did indeed exist, hence vampire hunters like Sakuya with clear super natural abilities, but the other anon implied that they were all super human behemoths capable of tearing Remilia a new one, when that exception was kind of the whole point the OP wrote the pact between Remilia and Sakuya.
I dont know, I just wished this whole faith thing was more specific and less weird, that and ZUN to bring Sariel back so we can finally have an abrahamic entity in Touhou.

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>>45134726
>"What does that have to do with the fact that Remilia couldn't be a group of vampire hunters?"
Pissing of a mayor, organized world religion with almost unlimited founding, Knowledge Archives since the IV century is the last thing an Elder vampire wants
>"Lets say they believed and had faith in God, they are still human and are limited as such"
Zealots with Blessed Equipment (yes every priest or bishop have divine autority to bless objects), Endowment granted by requesting Saints Interception (eerie similar to reimu and yorihime Channeling kami) ,magical resistance granted by rosaries or relics, it could go on.
>"Remilia is a powerful magical creature"
Reminder that Saint Peter Shutdown Simon the magician Flying Spell, Forcible binding him to physical Laws, and there are sealing rituals and prayers in the setting
>"control over fate"
an oxymoron: Fate requires Predetermined Divine Edict and enforcement, if fate can be altered or manipulated, then is not fate.
thats why all Olimpians Feared the Moirai, and the Norse can't escape Ragnarok, no wonder flan laughts at her older sister.
The point is that Elite Hunters have the Faith, Resources, Weapons, inteligence and logistics to carry out their duty, if the sisters Survive this long is ironicaly by not antagonizing and keeping a very low profile.

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>>45131307
>So there ARE examples? Care to link me to them? I want to read them.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/4200
https://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/8273
This are the only Patche ones I know of.