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Anonymous Mon Apr 14 09:44:15 2008 No.448692 [Reply] [Original]

So I just installed F/SN on my computer and played through most of fate and this is the first time I've ever played a visual novel, But let me ask you guys is this just porn with a plot?

I'm seriously considering using F/SN for my school book report/readinglog since they don't check the book anyway, lulz possibly would ensue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 09:46:28 2008 No.448698 Considering the porn scenes, I'd say it's more like a story with added porn than porn with a plot But don't do a report about a visual novel. Seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 09:47:31 2008 No.448700 Considering the porn scenes, I'd say it's more like a story with added porn than porn with a plot But don't do a report on a visual novel. Seriously.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 09:47:35 2008 No.448701

>>448692
Let me point some things out about your post:

>just porn with a plot

Plot with porn actually.

>'m seriously considering using F/SN for my school book report/readinglog since they don't check the book anyway

Don't ridicule yourself.

>lulz possibly would ensue

Only for you I bet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 09:54:58 2008 No.448728 Don't people read actual books anymore? ...In Amerikka!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 09:56:17 2008 No.448733 >lulz oh fuck no

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 10:02:18 2008 No.448756 >>448692 I'm seriously considering using F/SN for my school book report/readinglog since they don't check the book anyway See you in fall semester, Mike

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 10:06:11 2008 No.448773 Do a serious philosophy paper about the true meaning of Unlimited Blade Works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 10:08:03 2008 No.448779 >>448773 I am the bone of my essay, etc.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 10:09:19 2008 No.448785 File: 109 KB, 820x660, 1208167759561.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How appropriate, I was just playing this an hour ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 10:10:52 2008 No.448792 >>448779 Don't you mean 'bane'?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 10:19:15 2008 No.448810 >>448692 >my school book report/readinglog underage b&, gtfo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 13:50:28 2008 No.449142 >>448692 NO NO NO THAT IS LIKE THE MOST SOCIAL REJECT LIKE THING YOU COULD EVER DO. DO IT ON A REAL BOOK. Seriously, if someone recognised it you would be a joke for the rest of your school life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 13:59:43 2008 No.449168 rin is so beautiful.....

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:05:08 2008 No.449180 Hey OP, you should totally do a feminist critique of the sex scenes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:06:32 2008 No.449186 >>449142 >Seriously, if someone recognised it you would be a joke for the rest of your school life. The only people who would regognize that are weeaboos themselves. I don't think they'd tell anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:07:28 2008 No.449192 >>449186 Yeh, I can say as a weeaboo that I wouldn't tell anyone, I'd probably wink at you during a lecture or something though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:08:17 2008 No.449196 I hope you die.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:09:45 2008 No.449203 I was just playing this a little while ago. I'm almost to UBW, is that better than the Fate route?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:10:03 2008 No.449204 >>449186 There's a guy in one of my classes who has a gurren lagann sticker on his laptop. I have the urge to just stand up and scream "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE" to him, but I don't want to look like a lunatic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:21:38 2008 No.449248 There are a LOT of secret weeaboos in my school. In the cool crowd and all, if I did a speech like that on an anime plot, I wouldn't be suprised if someone in the class knew it despite me having no idea they're into that stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:22:01 2008 No.449251 >>449192 You seem to forget a good deal of said weeaboos are autistic faggots who WOULD do exactly that not realising what they're doing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:23:07 2008 No.449252 Why are you people having a discussion with a HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:25:06 2008 No.449261 >>449252 Because most here on /jp/ have never gone beyond the mental age of a high school student. Living with your parents, collecting toys etc.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:27:38 2008 No.449269

>>449261
>Living with your parents
Living with your parents isn't a sign that you have the mentality of a high school student. In several cultures it is acceptable for someone to live with their parents until they get married and start a family of their own.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:27:55 2008 No.449270 >>449252 didn't realize it. explains the fail.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:28:05 2008 No.449272 >>449252 I'm fine as long as they don't act like the typical underage narutards or wannabe wapanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:28:32 2008 No.449273 >>449269 not in America though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:29:36 2008 No.449277 Wow, Anime is really looked down upon in America, huh? Honestly, in Britannia, nobody cares if you watch it, or do a piece of work about it. In most cases, people are more curious about "those crazy Jap cartoons" than filled with pure hatred.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:31:16 2008 No.449280 >>449273 Sucks to be American then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:32:24 2008 No.449284 I loved Rin until I played through UBW. Every time you think the H-Scene is coming up, she throws a long-winded WALL OF TEXT at you about the intricacies of mana storage. Boring.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:12:13 2008 No.449472 >>449284 They were actually the only H-scenes I found arousing in the entire game.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:15:04 2008 No.449485

>>449277

Britfag here, not really true.
You won't get outright hated for it, but people will generally go place in you the "Antisocial nerd" group in their head when you mention you like that stuff.
I guess though, as long as you surpress your power level and don't make it seem like ANIME IS MY LIFE to everyone then you're accepted fine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:16:05 2008 No.449489 Oh, and any country that doesn't like anime probably isn't going to like you staying at your parents. Just a thought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:16:23 2008 No.449493 >>449284 Remember mana is the equivalent of sex to a magus, when Shirou is linked to her, he's getting constant mana orgasms. also, I'd buy a paper on the philosophical meaning of UBW.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:18:36 2008 No.449503 >>449493 Unlimited=Limitless number Blade=Of swords Works=That were created I should so totally go into this scholar thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:20:36 2008 No.449508 >>449503 You'd be rich.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:24:20 2008 No.449523

>>449493
>I'd buy a paper on the philosophical meaning of UBW.

Is that a request for some scholarly evaluation about the concept of self-fulfillment of an empty self through altruism directed towards individuals which one can see the direct benefit provided while existing as nothing more than a tool for the betterment of others that eventually betray you because of their inability to accept an existence that would help them without requirement leading to eventual slavery caused by one's own ideal overtaking one's own life culminating in self-hatred and eventual redemption of that life that one chose to lead regardless of the amount of sacrifices one would have to make along the way?

And you don't get to have sex before you turn into mana dust.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 18:14:58 2008 No.450176 File: 7 KB, 200x267, 1208196898987.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>449523 Huh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 18:16:24 2008 No.450184 >>449523 Yes it is, now write it.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 23:56:54 2008 No.451911
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Close friendships, Gandhi says, are dangerous, because "friends react on one another" and through loyalty to a friend one can be led into wrong-doing. This is unquestionably true. Moreover, if one is to love God, or to love humanity as a whole, one cannot give one's preference to any individual person. This again is true, and it marks the point at which the humanistic and the religious attitude cease to be reconcilable. To an ordinary human being, love means nothing if it does not mean loving some people more than others.

If you are not prepared to take life, you must often be prepared for lives to be lost in some other way. When, in 1942, he urged non-violent resistance against a Japanese invasion, he was ready to admit that it might cost several million deaths.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:01:16 2008 No.451929
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Close friendships, Gandhi says, are dangerous, because "friends react on one another" and through loyalty to a friend one can be led into wrong-doing. This is unquestionably true. Moreover, if one is to love God, or to love humanity as a whole, one cannot give one's preference to any individual person. This again is true, and it marks the point at which the humanistic and the religious attitude cease to be reconcilable. To an ordinary human being, love means nothing if it does not mean loving some people more than others.

In relation to the late war, one question that every pacifist had a clear obligation to answer was: "What about the Jews? Are you prepared to see them exterminated? If not, how do you propose to save them without resorting to war?" I must say that I have never heard, from any Western pacifist, an honest answer to this question, though I have heard plenty of evasions, usually of the "you're another" type. But it so happens that Gandhi was asked a somewhat similar question in 1938 and that his answer is on record in Mr. Louis Fischer's Gandhi and Stalin. According to Mr. Fischer, Gandhi's view was that the German Jews ought to commit collective suicide, which "would have aroused the world and the people of Germany to Hitler's violence." After the war he justified himself: the Jews had been killed anyway, and might as well have died significantly. One has the impression that this attitude staggered even so warm an admirer as Mr. Fischer, but Gandhi was merely being honest. If you are not prepared to take life, you must often be prepared for lives to be lost in some other way. When, in 1942, he urged non-violent resistance against a Japanese invasion, he was ready to admit that it might cost several million deaths.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:02:07 2008 No.451936 File: 33 KB, 640x480, 1208217727795.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>451911 Gandhi sounded like a real fag

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:03:34 2008 No.451941
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>>449523

Because it sucks to be Archer.

You sell your soul after death to save a hundred people with the hopes of saving more people post-humorously. Along the way you lose your lover (this is rather vague, you don't know if she died, they broke up, he left her or HE died) and one of the people you saved betrays your ass. You're executed, but you're like, cool, I can still save people after death.

Nope, the World just FUCKS you over and makes you kill over and over while witnessing humanity's worse traits. So you start to loathe the people you once wanted to save so badly. So, you get an idea to go back in time to kill your past self.

Which also means you get to see your lover when she was a teenage girl again while watching your younger self get close to her while you're still fucked.

Isn't it sad, Archchan?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:03:38 2008 No.451943 File: 49 KB, 640x480, 1208217818028.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>451929 Gandhi sounded like a fag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:11:54 2008 No.451982 File: 9 KB, 200x218, 1208218314106.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] UBW should have been in Archer's POV and he should have ended up with Rin. Natch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:17:00 2008 No.452020 >>451982 Blame Nasu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:24:39 2008 No.452062 >>451941 Was it ever mentioned who was Archer's lover?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:36:43 2008 No.452137 File: 104 KB, 600x600, 1208219803629.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>452062 Not outright, but there were hints that it was Rin, not Ilya like most of the fandom thought. (In fact, Archer never even speaks with Ilya in any of the routes.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:38:41 2008 No.452147 >>452137 Yeah, he does. In Fate, he has an afterword for Ilya.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:40:13 2008 No.452156 >>451941 >Isn't it sad, Archchan? ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:40:27 2008 No.452158 >>452147 Wasn't that only in the anime adaptation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:44:01 2008 No.452173 >>452062 Didn't he mention losing his arm when he projected once? He doesn't seem to give a shit about rin or saber, either. I think it mostly fits that he was in love with Sakura.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:44:28 2008 No.452175 >>452137 >Not outright, but there were hints that it was Rin Wasn't it said that he lost Saber, defeated Rin (and maybe even killed Sakura). The only important person I've read he had was Ilya (but that was a relationship as siblings).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:45:44 2008 No.452183 >>452137 >>452147 >>452158 >>452173 >>452175 I think it's safe to say we have no fucking idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:47:45 2008 No.452199 >>452062 The blacksmith.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:49:59 2008 No.452209 File: 98 KB, 350x376, 1208220599949.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>452199 I broke your arm. oops haha

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:50:31 2008 No.452216 Archer's final words to Shirou in HF are "take care of Ilya." Which is odd, because IT'S TOO BAD SHE WON'T LIVE, BUT THEN AGAIN WHO DOES?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:51:35 2008 No.452224 >>452216 Taiga.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:54:53 2008 No.452241
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>>452147
No he doesn't. Not at all. His death is off screen in the Fate route. There's an interlude with Berserker and Ilya and Ilya being PISSED that some no named Servant managed to kill Berserker six times, but that's it. And when he stays behind, him and Rin have a leery-regretful moment that he ends up glossing away to put Rin back in Tsun-Tsun mode.

>>452175
In UBW, in where Rin's asking Archer to say, he thinks something along the lines that her obstanious personality is one of his fondest memories.

Also, in the prologue, that pendent that Archer gave Rin was the one from HIS time line. Which meant he kept it eleven years after she saved him and only Gaia knows how long after his death. Plus he risked his identity to give her back her pendent.

And he put his cloak around her when she fell asleep on her feet.

Also, RIN is the only person Archer gets along with in at least Fate and UBW. (Haven't played HF yet.) He even pisses off Saber in Fate. He's almost flirtatious when it comes to Rin, and at times he is. Plus, he knows exactly how to push her buttons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:55:16 2008 No.452246 Remember Shirou and Archer are different people, kids. Archer is almost Fate-rate Shirou, but he didn't care for Saber like Shirou did. UBW Shirou is wholly different. Shirou is better by the time he's 18 than Archer was at the height of his life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:55:18 2008 No.452245 File: 264 KB, 800x600, 1208220918208.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>452209 YOU DRUNK IRISH FUCK!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:58:26 2008 No.452265 >>452246 >Shirou is better by the time he's 18 than Archer was at the height of his life. You lost me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 00:59:18 2008 No.452268 >>452246 >Shirou is better by the time he's 18 than Archer was at the height of his life. wut?

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:00:10 2008 No.452273
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>>452246

Thank you.

Archer and Shirou are two different people who had the same beginning. Archer went one way and Shirou went three different ways depending on which storyline you're reading.

And, in HF, he takes the hit meant for Rin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:02:22 2008 No.452281 >>452246 Archer is UBW Shirou at the end of his journey. UBW Shirou knows that he's going to get screwed over in the same way, though, since he can see his future.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:02:27 2008 No.452282

>>452241
Indeed, he loved her so much he didn't give a fuck if Shinji raped her.

Anyway, Rin, who was watching the dream said he had a lover (she never mentioned anything about the lover being herself). So, I think it is fair to assume his lover was none of the F/sn girls.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:05:28 2008 No.452289

>>452281
>Archer is UBW Shirou at the end of his journey.

Archer is a different Shirou. None of the different outcomes for Shirou will end up becoming like Archer. Fate Shirou, who has the highest chances of ending up like that, only has a 10% chances of becoming like Archer (and Last Episode pretty much shows he didn't).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:05:36 2008 No.452290 >>452282 I was under the impression it was Sakura.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:06:58 2008 No.452293 >>452281 This isn't Terminator.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:06:58 2008 No.452294 >>452281 By a time paradox, that is impossible by its own definition. Archer didn't fight Archer when he fought the Grail War. They're totally fucking different people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:10:06 2008 No.452310 >>452294 Not time paradox because the whole hero thing removes you from time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:11:33 2008 No.452318 >>452290 I wouldn't know, maybe she was. But, I'm quite sure Rin is able to recognise her sister. Rin simply said he had a lover; she never specified whom. I take that to mean she didn't know who that person was; I may be wrong, though.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:12:28 2008 No.452327

>>452294
>>452293
Stop thinking linearly, you morans. I meant that he can see his future in the way that if he fights for how he says at the end of UBW, for the purity of what he felt that day, then he'll eventually still end up being betrayed like Archer was. Not because there's anything wrong with the beauty of his ideal, but because it's the same path: the way of becoming a sword for others.

Archer didn't fight like Fate Shirou. Archer made sacrifices, saved only those he could, and didn't believe everyone could be saved. But he, like UBW Shirou, wanted to try to save everyone that was in front of him, everyone he could reach. His methods weren't pure, but his intentions were.

UBW Shirou is walking the same general path.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:14:44 2008 No.452347

>>452310
"Shirou == Archer"
Archer> Uh... I never fought 'Archer' The Archer with True Name 'Emiya Shirou' wasn't in my grail war.
Shirou> I fucking hated that Archer guy.

The Shirou we play can NOT grow into Archer for several parts of the timeline that are obviously different.

ARCHER is removed from time. Shirou can't grow into him because nothing has happened in his life like is needed for him to turn into that.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:25:30 2008 No.452423

>>452327
>Stop thinking linearly, you morans.

Oh lawd... the irony.

>Archer didn't fight like Fate Shirou. Archer made sacrifices, saved only those he could, and didn't believe everyone could be saved. But he, like UBW Shirou, wanted to try to save everyone that was in front of him, everyone he could reach. His methods weren't pure, but his intentions were.

Archer, just like Shirou at the beginning of the game, wanted to save every single person he could. The thing is, after experiencing what life really was like (this is, after his Grail War ended), he realised he couldn't save everyone as he wanted. Eventually, he found himself killing more and more people, hoping that one day he wouldn't have to kill again.

UBW Shirou accepted he would have to make sacrifices but, he'd have no regrets (hence the "I have no regrets, this is the only path"), whereas Archer, whilst he accepted he would have to kill people, he was full of regrets.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:30:46 2008 No.452445

The problem is that everyone is basing their arguments on assumptions and what little information that Nasu has given out which most of the time is pretty meaningless. He's said that Shirou does have a chance to become like Archer after Fate and UBW routes, but he expresses this with percentages in the single digits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:36:22 2008 No.452472 >>452445 There's a big difference between ending up like Archer, and living exactly the same life Archer lead.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:37:58 2008 No.452481
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>>452282

Yeah, what the hell could have done though? Shinji had fucking GILGAMESH at full power there while he was struggling to remain existing due to mana drain. Yeah, he was going to get himself killed before he finished his objective and he told Shinji not to do anything until after dawn, when Shirou and Friends would have arrived.

Which meant Lancer and Saber.

He probably knew help was coming for Rin, especially how taken Lancer was with her at that point.

Plus, Archer was quite batshit insane at this point too.

And we don't know the lover was. Which meant Rin didn't know either. It was probably hidden from her in the dream due to the paradoxical reasons.

And at that point, Archer was pretty much batfuck insane and out of mana.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:43:43 2008 No.452492 >>452472 That's what Nasu said moran. Become a counter guardian that regrets his life.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:50:41 2008 No.452514

>>452481
>And we don't know the lover was. Which meant Rin didn't know either.

Unlike ourselves, Rin wasn't reading a story, she was watching it. She saw a woman, and said she was Archer's lover. She never said anything about the image of the woman being blurred or anything; she simply referred to her as Archer's lover. Since she didn't give any names, then it'd be fair to assume she didn't recognise that woman because she didn't know who she was.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:52:14 2008 No.452523 >>452492 Archer regretted his life because he didn't know what being a Counter Guardian was like. Shirou, by the end of UBW, does know what it means to become one.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 01:54:46 2008 No.452529

>>452523
Nasu still said he could end up lie him, though he says it in a way where you have to read between the lines, it's basically pointless in even mentioning the possibility. Many arguments surrounding type-moons work suffer from this because Nasu doesn't give clear answers. For instance, powerlevel discussions.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:00:19 2008 No.452545

I doubt UBW shirou could end up as archer, for the sole fact he knows what Archer became. Unless Shirou is a total dumbass (though I wouldn't put it passed him), he would not sell his sole to the Grail. Along with that he probably wouldn't become a hero if he's just living his days out with Rin.

Isn't that what archer wanted Rin to do anyways? Make sure Shirou didn't walk the same path he did?

Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue Apr 15 02:01:13 2008 No.452550
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DERAILING THIS THREAD TO ASK

Would it be safe to assume that because Archer created Kaladbolg he could theoretically beat Lancer at any time?

So that first battle really wasn't all that dangerous to him?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:01:39 2008 No.452555 >>452529 nasu doesn't like giving pure answers because that takes half the fan's fun out of his work

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:02:39 2008 No.452563 >>452550 i think it's safe to assume he was playing around with lancer at that point, hell the only points you could really count archer as being serious is when he uses UBW

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:05:48 2008 No.452580

>>452555
I also think it's good he does it that way, but it does create problems with people backing their arguments with pure bullshit. People saying that their right and everyone else is wrong because of some assumption on their part is really annoying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:07:43 2008 No.452591 >>452550 No, because Shirou is not from Ulster. Only the sword in the hands of a descendant of Ulster activates Lancer's geass.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:08:13 2008 No.452593

>>452529
>Nasu still said he could end up lie him

Nasu's answer was more long the lines of "(F/sn's) Shirou's chances to end up as Archer are really low."

The reason why he didn't give a definitely yes or no, was so that fans would be able to come up with their own interpretations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:09:51 2008 No.452604 >>452593 Yes and i agree with that, it's when people say it has to be one way and any other way is wrong that it becomes frustrating.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue Apr 15 02:11:21 2008 No.452609 >>452591 It's still said to be the bane of Cu Chulainn. Sure he won't HAVE to die because of his geas but it'd probably be the bane of his lance.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:12:04 2008 No.452612

>>452563
He wasn't playing around. Archer was being cornered, and he knew it. If Rin hadn't asked Lancer not to kill Archer, he'd most likely have done it.

Archer may be able to create many weapons but, he's not that strong. That, and Lancer is seriously underrated. (People do not even take into account he was summoned in a place where he didn't have enough fame, and moreover, his Master was dividing his prana between 2 Servants).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:12:08 2008 No.452618 >>452591 THAT'S WHAT SHIROU WANTS YOU TO THINK

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:12:44 2008 No.452616 would it be safe to say the only shirou who could become LIKE Archer (being summoned as a servant in the Grail war) would be Fate shirou?

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>>452616
I'd say so. Shirou had little interaction with Archer during Fate. It's completely possible he could end up hating his own ideal after not being shown the ugly side of it until he became archer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:15:06 2008 No.452635 >>452616 I believe that's what has been confirmed. Though some say there is a chance that UBW Shirou can become Archer, though its less than 1/4th or some obscure number. I don't think UBW could ever be like Archer though.

>>	Shirou !lORCIa01Kk Tue Apr 15 02:15:11 2008 No.452630 >>452618 Interestingly enough Shirou's red hair has kinda confused me...

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:16:05 2008 No.452641

>>452616
depends, fate shirou may not ever make a contract with the world. In Realta Nua there is a sort of epilogue for Fate route added. In it Shirou and Saber meet in their own afterlife, i would assume that Shirou didn't contract with the world. He'd be stuck in the seat of heroes(i think thats what its called) if he made a contract.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:16:13 2008 No.452636

>>452616
depends, fate shirou may not ever make a contract with the world. In Realta Nua there is a sort of epilogue for Fate route added. In it Shirou and Saber meet in their own afterlife, i would assume that Shirou didn't contract with the world. He'd be stuck in the seat of heroes(i think thats what its called).

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:17:10 2008 No.452643

>>452616
Fate Shirou also falls under the "really low chances to end up like Archer". His chances of ending up that way are more than his UBW counterpart; however, 10% is still not a big value.

Also, if we take into account Last Episode, it'd be fair to assume he didn't end up like Archer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:19:43 2008 No.452658 >>452612 oh, i thought we were referring to the prologue fight... never mind then hehe

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:34:02 2008 No.452722

>>452630
Archer's hair turned white because of stress. He got the tan because he burned out his magic circuits, effciantly cooking him from the inside out for that epic tan. His grey eyes were caused by reinforcement applied over and over again.

And he got taller because he had a hell of a growth spurt.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:48:54 2008 No.452826

>>452612
The fact Rin asked Lancer not to kill Archer didn't seemto have much effect on him, as he stated that he wouldn't go any easier on Archer but would refrain from finishing him off if he beat him without killing him.

Also, what is actually the difference between Guardians and Counter Guardians ?
Is it the fact that Counter Guardians made a contract with tha World while they were alive ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 02:49:06 2008 No.452829 >>452514 shirou didn't recognize archer so it wouldn't be impossible for rin not to have recognized her future self

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:01:27 2008 No.452873 >>452829 It's never mentioned who is lover was, it could be sakura rin ilya or even taiga, an unnamed girl or perhaps issei.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:03:03 2008 No.452882 >>452873 Issei is the definite right choice for Shirou. It's Issei that makes Shirou intoa real man.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:06:22 2008 No.452896

>>452826
Guardians serve Gaia. Counter Guardians serve Alaya, the human subset of Gaia, which is sort of set apart from it, in a way.

Gaia destroys everything which is a threat to the world itself and the preservation of it. Alaya destroys everything that is a threat to the survival of humanity, even if it means killing an entire percentage of humanity itself to solve the problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:06:38 2008 No.452899 Archer is not as GAR as Lancer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:10:43 2008 No.452914 >>452896 how is it determined whether one becomes a guardian or a counter guardian? Are all heroic spirits only a part of Alaya?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:11:05 2008 No.452919 >>452722 He's supposed to be tall as hell (around Rider's height if not more) in the conclusion of HF, so we can assume that he does indeed have a monstrous growth spurt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:11:19 2008 No.452916 >>452896 So Archer could possibly find himself having to kill an entire country to protect Gaia ?

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:13:37 2008 No.452926

>>452914
Servants are a part of Alaya, since they're the product of the fame and esteem which humanity holds for certain ideas and people which came from itself. Counter Guardians are people who give themselves up to eternity to become the embodiment of humanity's protectors, and they don't need to be famous at all. In effect, they become cleaning men, though, for the atrocities of humanity.

Guardians are like Arcueid and Primate Murder: non-human creatures that are a part of nature, which serve a very distinct purpose for Gaia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:13:44 2008 No.452927 >>452826 >>452896 There are no "Guardians" only Counter Guardians. Both Gaia and Alaya use them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:14:25 2008 No.452929 >>452916 Counter Guardians only act for the preservation of mankind. If Gaia threatened mankind completely, Counter Guardians would be acting against Gaia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:15:07 2008 No.452931 >>452927 No, there's a distinction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:15:23 2008 No.452933 >>452926 >Guardians are like Arcueid and Primate Murder: non-human creatures that are a part of nature, which serve a very distinct purpose for Gaia. You mean Elementals, not guardians.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:17:27 2008 No.452942

>>452933
Arcueid is a Guardian, though, not an elemental. Arcueid couldn't be an elemental, since she's created from Type-Moon's design, which is not of Earth. Primate Murder is a Guardian, too, if I recall correctly. Its job was to keep humans in check by destroying them.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:20:18 2008 No.452951

>>452942

Gaia made the True Ancestors based on Crimson Moon. Hence why Arc has the whole Counter Force System with her, she can draw power from the world because she IS an elemental.

Also, taken from Kara no Kyoukai's encylopedia:

抑制力 yokuseiryoku
Counter Force
There are two types of counter force acting in the world. The force that acts for the ultimate will of survival of humans called Alaya, and another that acts for the ultimate will of survival for the world called Gaia. The one explained in Kara no Kyokai is the Alaya force, also known as Alayashiki. All humans are connected in their deeper sub-consciousness and they work against something that may be a threat to their existence. This force prioritize the survival of mankind as a whole and doesn't matter if the individuals are happy or not. For that reason, it's not always a good thing and many mages who tried to challenge the counter force failed miserably. Some of the form it may take are the legendary heroes through out history, natural disasters, while some are small accidents and happenings. Some say this is just an explanation that people came up for unknown accidents that occur because they don't want anything to be unexplainable, but this force surely exists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:20:24 2008 No.452953 >>452929 so if gaia was trying to remove humanity from existence and heroic spirits were summoned to defeat gaia and they win, would the earth die and take humanity with it anyways?

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:24:41 2008 No.452967
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And there are seven Counter Guardians who guard Primate Murder at all time. (They're not allowed to kill it.)

So, that makes me wonder, has Archer ever guarded Primate Murder?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:26:24 2008 No.452976 >>452967 No, that was just stated to measure PM's power level and a "what if" scenario.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:27:07 2008 No.452980 >>452953 Angel Notes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:27:33 2008 No.452984 >>452953 Gaia would never try to do that. Anyway, if for some reason Gaia does that, then humanity is pretty much fucked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:28:53 2008 No.452993 >>452984 Gaia already did. See >>452980

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:29:47 2008 No.452999 >>452967 What's the source of your pic?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:31:51 2008 No.453004 >>452993 Gaia didn't kill humanity. Humanity killed Gaia, and at the same time, they killed themselves. Only the A-Rays, Ether-Liners and the like survived.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:34:47 2008 No.453013 >>453004 thats what i was asking in a roundabout way, if humanity killed gaia for whatever reason, would humanity die anyways because the earth would be dead?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:34:58 2008 No.453015 >>453004 Humanity killed Gaia but Gaia called for help, thats why the Types came.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:35:18 2008 No.453016 File: 50 KB, 400x400, 1208230518154.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>452999 God, I honestly don't know. I have so many pictures of Archer and Rin it's not funny.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:36:13 2008 No.453024 File: 4 KB, 114x80, 1208230573010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>Gaia didn't kill humanity. Humanity killed Gaia, and at the same time, they killed themselves. You lost me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:36:18 2008 No.453023 >>453013 Humanity evolved to something that could adapt and survive the dead world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:37:57 2008 No.453028 >>448692 Learn to read and do a light novel then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:38:21 2008 No.453031 >>453024 Gaia needs humans and humans need Gaia to survive. They both die when either is killed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:42:28 2008 No.453043 >>453031 No, Gaia would survive without humanity pretty well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:44:03 2008 No.453046

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:49:15 2008 No.453075

>first time I've ever played a visual novel
I still remember my first vn or eroge game, it was Three Sister's Story and Nocturnal Illusion.
Too bad the new wave of newfags will never play those classics cause the new shit "ruins" the older stuff. Also, I detect underage B& in OP from his book report shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:50:22 2008 No.453079 >>453028 fate/zero translation where?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:52:23 2008 No.453092 >>453079 Still being supressed in Kotomine's ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:52:33 2008 No.453094 >>453079 Here http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:52:52 2008 No.453097 >>453079 http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 06:32:21 2008 No.453749

>>449186
>>449142
>>449485
>>449493
You know I don't need to mention "Anime" anywhere, People where trying to hand shit in like the Halo Novels and even shit like Hubbard's battle Field earth.
I've already read a bunch of classic and serious novels so F/SN isn't out of the norm.
If anyone did know what I was talking about then it would set off my Weaboo detector as no-one else would really care.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 08:04:44 2008 No.453962 File: 89 KB, 804x604, 1208246684689.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you guys had finished UBW and not skipped through the text, you would know that Rin wasn't Archer's lover.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 08:05:52 2008 No.453968 >>453962 Rin loev Lancer

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 08:19:43 2008 No.454005 >>453968 Lancer is a faggot. Im glad he died patheticly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 08:28:02 2008 No.454027 >>454005 0/10, not even trrying

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 08:29:52 2008 No.454028 >>454005 -1/10

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 08:52:50 2008 No.454062 >http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero Hey, that is almost done. Though last update seemed to be January.

>>	insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Tue Apr 15 08:55:01 2008 No.454067 >>454062 This is only the first volume. Out of four.

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