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[Anonymous No.]

Last time:

George mastermind, working with Rosa, possibly Jessica, with lesser accomplices servants and Nanjo.

Maria has the stakes (?)

Kyrie's involvement unknown, possible "counter culprit", maybe with Kanon. Possible culprit if you can get around Episode 2 (Episode 1, there is some way into and thus out of the storehouse, as shown by Episode 4).

[Anonymous No.]

Looks pretty good to me.

I think Kyrie is pretty suspicious. Mainly because of how she acted in 4. But her being suspicious is probably a reason to not suspect her.

[Anonymous No.]

Does Jessica love Battler in this situation?

[Anonymous No.]

Shkanontrice and Moonfags, explain EP4 to me.

Several people saw Kinzo. Several people met Kinzo. Maria said she met Kinzo.

>>>/rs/_No_one_would_mistake_Ushiromiya_Kinzo_by_sight!

>>>/rs/_Everyone_at_the_family_conference_recognized_the_existence_of_Kinzo!

Explain, please. How could Shannon OR Moon-chan be recognized as Kinzo?

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>>4470727
Except there needs to be some reason for that suspicious phone call. And it doesn't seem like she could be threatened by her life, considering she's killed anyway.

>>4470732
Sure, maybe. Haven't worked that out, haven't read Episode 6 which apparently provides some hints towards Beatrice. Seems possible, though.Still haven't worked out Battler's sin, as I don't think it's "the promise to return on a white horse." I won't rule it out, though, I just don't like it.

I always thought it might have something to do with our Battler and "true" Battler, Asumu's son. Although I have no hints towards this besides when Rosa says that it may be possible that this Battler is different from the one they all knew six years ago (Episode 2).

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>>4470132

>Last time:George mastermind

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>>4470747
Rereading through episode 4 myself right now, so I'll try to explain once I know the context of those statements and everything.

Anyway for it to be George? There are tons of hints, and he even says that he "is now the head of the Ushiromiya family" during the episode. Just have to figure out the timing of everything.

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>>4470747
Well, another way around that is they either were able to see Kinzo's corpse, or perhaps something like a video will left behind by him.

Either way, they discover that he is dead in those scenarios.

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>>4470747

1) Videotape of Kinzo

2) As Battler suggested, the name "Ushriomiya Kinzo" is passed down to every head. I believe the culprit already knows where the gold is in every episode, which explains how they became the head.

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>>4470747
That isn't hard. Nobody could mistake Kinzo by sight, but everyone acknowledged his existence. Couldn't everyone acknowledge something that isn't there? They all DID say "Well, Maria said it so lol, I guess he isn't dead!".

Acknowledge: To perceive or show acceptance of the validity or reality of

You can accept defeat when you technically were right, can't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>George mastermind

... Really guys? Really?

I haven't been keeping up with these theory threads, but... really?

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>>4470841
I originally thought something like this. Something like George faking his romantic feelings for Shannon, something like that, but over time I changed my mind.

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Option 3 Krauss bribed the siblings to acknowledge Kinzo's existence as Kyrie suggested orginally while they had the family meeting. With this theory nobody really sees Kinzo, but they acknowledge him because they were given money.

You can also claim that Maria was lying about seeing him or that she was put up to it by being bribed with candy or mackerel cake.

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>>4470823

Do you think "everyone" would recognize a servant girl or Jessica, the 5th in line as the new Kinzo/head?

Half of them blew their shit when Battler found the gold and became the head in EP5.

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>>4470747
I thought the way they may have identified him was by his written will at first. But that doesn't work for EP2's ending or whatever the hell EP5 Battler saw.

I can't imagine that they're rolling a corpse around...though I wouldn't put it past them.

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>>4470864


Any explanation for Gohda and Kumasawa lying about seeing Kinzo?

They were panicked, sure, but why go to Kinzo of all people as being responsible for the dining room massacre?

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>>4470881

1) Everyone in EP 4 First Twilight had already known that the culprit was the head before the time of the game. They just didn't expect to die in EP 4

2) The culprit could have kept the fact that they found the gold (and became the new head) secret. Upon revealing that they knew where the gold was, which legitimizes their claim to the headship, everyone accepted that person as Ushiromiya Kinzo. However, this doesn't mean that they like the idea that this person is the new head.

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>>4470899
>Any explanation for Gohda and Kumasawa lying about seeing Kinzo?

I'm not sure if Gohda even knows what Kinzo looks like, as he's never met him. But Kinzo was rather prestigious in his time. What's unclear is whether or not Kinzo had been to any televised events or photo shoots. He didn't seem very sociable after the 1967 events...

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>>4470936

He still went down to the family conference every year he was able...before he died. And Gohda's been working there for 2-3 years, so he's has to have seen him at least one time. Maybe.

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>>4470899

Even with Title theories corpse theories or bribe theories or video theories. Kumasawa and Gohda would have to be lying somehow because they can't really see Kinzo for any of these theories to work. I'll just claim Knox's 9th on this one.

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>>4470948
Gohda's been working there for two years. In EP5 he said he'd never met with Kinzo even once; before Natsuhi tried to hush him up.

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>>4470862
There's no need for him to have to fake his love. Just some reason which leads him to kill his love, which I admit is weird. Yet he is the perfect culprit for Natsuhi's room in Episode 2.

>>4470747
One more theory is pretty straight-forward. Krauss becomes Kinzo, by showing that Kinzo is dead. Unless someone finds the gold, he is the one who becomes the head of the family.

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>>4471014
>There's no need for him to have to fake his love. Just some reason which leads him to kill his love, which I admit is weird. Yet he is the perfect culprit for Natsuhi's room in Episode 2.

If George believes that Shannon is his furniture it's not strange at all. His reasoning would be that "Furniture that doesn't follow orders should just die".

[Anonymous No.]

Kanon-Kinzo would like to have a word with you guys

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>>4471204
Possible, except Episode 3 second to last chapter (with spirit Kanon, ie the longest chapter ever) hints that perhaps Kanon is Genji's son. Still might work.

>>4471110
Episode 1, she doesn't have to die. Episode 2 she might die due to trying to fight back against George, unable to stand the killings. Episode 3, Episode 4, don't know.

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>>4471235
Nope, all hints actually point to Kanon being Beatrice. That said, Kanon left the room by 'becoming one' with Battler, if you know what I mean.

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>>4471235
He could be Genji son while having the title Ushiromiya Kinzo.

>>4471273

>>All hints
Pic related

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>>4471273

That's a hefty claim. Can you back it up or is the only hint you have for Kanontrice the candy scene with Maria?

Why do we need nametrice theories anyway? All of them are stupid.

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>>4471322

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>>4471332
Yeah, and this pic clearly proves that beato and jessica are the same people, they are the only people on the island with nicknames like that!!!!!!!!

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>>4471332
>>4471341

BOTH of you are taking these scenes out of context.

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>>4471322
It's basically a troll so that they can post that damn picture again. In any case, I agree. Let's figure out possible Howdunnits first, who could be the killer or set up everything, and then worry about the whydunnits, which is the reason for having -trice people, really. Plus, I agree, the only ones we have so far are pretty stupid.

>>4471288
Can you explain why he would have the title? That's the part that I don't get.

Also, another picture I need to get: Episode 1, at the beginning where Hideyoshi is asking where that bag of candy he bought went; later, Kinzo offers Kanon some candy, although Kanon refuses.

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>>4471341
I'm surprised no one has used the "Kanon calls Jessica 'Milady', and Ronove calls Beatrice 'Milady', therefore they are the same person" claim, which at least seems a little more connected then this picture

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>>4471352
Im not, you are an idiot if you are thinking that this obvious clue wouldnt lead to the answer.

Another obvious clue in the pic

[Anonymous No.]

buump

if psychedelics were allowed to spread through the population at the natural rate, people would become impossible to control in the painful and bizarre ways they control us. this includes brain implants. tear-away children of nobody families are isolated and disconnected over the course of a few years and then given implants that let the rich wear their skin like a suit. think one in a million. and god. believe me

don't automatically trust anyone telling you to go as far out as possible, to escape society and your ego and this sort of thing. what cults do first is try to create an intrapersonal vacuum they can fill with dogma. they are using the psychedelics for this now

the psychedelics produce very real and powerful experiences you don't need to have explained to you repeatedly if you have used them a few times. no-one has to preach ego death to an acidhead. he knows about it.

a lot of cults offer up a lot of junk but the psychedelics are real and they produce the most powerful experiences in the world. they can be used to free people and heal them but, the elite are holding them from us like the priest class once hid the psychedelic sacraments of the mystery religions so they could have a monopoly on god. it is the exact same plan

and just like the priests got a ton of kids to screw for thousands of years, so do the people who've stolen the psychedelics, now. the government and the rich. i like people, i've never feared the rich... but this is serious

bear with me :|

[Anonymous No.]

buuuump

hi this is 0 of 15 or so. ty
08:36 < flamoot> hi
08:36 <@Pnutbot> privet, flamoot
08:36 < filthee> yea thats all you need
08:36 < THC> not sure if its good enough to see it
08:37 < flamoot> [url revoked]
08:37 < flamoot> i have an implant
08:37 < THC> oh is it cool i musta forgot
08:37 < filthee> its a last hope anyway
08:37 < flamoot> the rich wear our skin with vr/telepresence
08:37 < THC> then i already own a cheap microscope
08:37 < filthee> lol
08:37 < flamoot> gender-confuse us electrically and make us touch ourselves
08:37 < flamoot> because they can't chip girls this way they're too well-accompanied and believed
08:37 < flamoot> hard to isolate
08:37 < flamoot> god listen to me
08:38 < filthee> go ahead and speak
08:38 < flamoot> k ty
08:38 < flamoot> so usually i'm on hold with a friendly ai

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>>4471355

If Kanon was Genji's son how Strange would it be for his real name to be Kinzo Jr.?

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>>4471428
Fairly odd, since Kinzo Jr. implies that he is Kinzo's son. I could, just barely, see him named Kinzo "out of respect". Still, I'd like some hints

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>>4471432
Then if he's Kinzo's son there's the whole thing in episode 2 about Kinzo's mistress, which Nanjo admitted to. We could then assume he was sent to an orphanage to keep his birth parents confidential.

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>>4471428
Kinzo could be a title...or...IN TRUTH GENJI IS THE REAL KINZO.

THE KINZO WE ALL KNEW WAS A MASK MANIPULATED BY THE REAL KINZO, GENJI, STANDING BESIDE HIM.

GINZO HAD ALL PLANNED FROM THE START, IS THE HEAD OF THE FAMILY AND CULPRIT OF THE ROKKENJIMA SERIAL MURDERS.

AWESOME BUTTLER DID IT

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>>4471448
Dont forget that he killed everyone throwing stakes like throwing knives, it was foreshadowed in EP2.

Also in EP2 when Battler enters the studio, Ginzo enters into the Kinzo persona and is the Kinzo that talks with Battler

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>>4471464

Both of those were fantasy scenes and you can't trust them. Plus Battler was drunk.

[Anonymous No.]

buuuuuuuuuuump

7/10
08:41 < flamoot> now i will [go insane]
08:41 < flamoot> as [a sane response to] this destruction of my sweet little private life
08:41 < flamoot> doing nothing but play
08:41 < hp00p> THC he comes in here all the time and says theres a chip in him
08:41 < flamoot> play with my friends
08:41 < flamoot> >_<
08:41 < hp00p> that controls him
08:41 < filthee> lol
08:41 < hp00p> hes fuckin crazy
08:41 < flamoot> hp00p: is a troll
08:41 < flamoot> hp00p: is a troll
08:41 < THC> i believe him
08:41 < flamoot> govt
08:41 < flamoot> who is he
08:41 <@Pnutbot> he's a weird guy

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>>4471470
Except for the fact that "fantasy scenes are shown for a reason" so it's not that we shouldn't trust them, but rather figure out the hints within.

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>>4471470
Of course the first one was a fantasy scene, but it still could hint to the truth.

Drunkedness dont make people allucinate like that, he could had a fucked up perception thanks to the alcohol, but alcohol doesnt make people allucinate like that.

Also remember Genji lecturing Shannon and Kanon about how they should act like furniture. It all fits.

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>>4471486

That's not a fact that's your opinion, and I can claim it's not true.

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>>4471512
Your claiming is just your opinion tho.

And i claim that all this -trice shitty theorys are shit and Ginzo is the true murderer.

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>>4471512
Episode 5, read it. Not saying that the previous poster was correct about his interpretation of the fantasy scenes, but we are told not to disregard them.

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>>4471522

Stalemate

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>>4471522
Actually, I'm going to say it's not possible for them to be the same people.

Episode 3:
#6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa are dead!

Unless you do the persona theory, I guess. Still, I'm not going to accept a "servant mastermind."

What is interesting about the Episode 3 red text is that it states that Kinzo's death was immediate, since "all six died instantly."

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>>4471531

Sure, but we're also shown in the same episode that fantasy scenes can be disregarded by the red. Like with that scene where Natsuhi and Beatrice are drinking tea and Bernkastel gets rid of that fantasy by saying she was alone.

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>>4471567
If Genji is the real Kinzo the other Kinzo (i will call him puppet Kinzo) could be called Kinzo too, even if he's not the true Kinzo.

So Kinzo and Kinzo could be dead in different rooms at the same time.

My theory stands.

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>>4471590

It only stands if episode 3 was a troll episode and that everyone who died in the first twilight was killed by a counter culprit. Because Genji and Kinzo are still both dead even if you argue they can both be referred to with the same name. oh it's useless it's all useless.

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>>4471574
Yes, but we do learn something about Natsuhi through the scene. Which is what I was trying to say, we can learn things about the characters though the scenes.

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>>4471627
Again, there are no hints to a counter culprit at this time. The fact that the letters appears after their deaths point to the fact that the first twilight was the main culprit.

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>>4471641
Your only helping me prove Genji couldn't be the mastermind with that. That's the only way his theory can stand with episode 3 and if you deny that than well...

ahaha.wav

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>>4471627
The counter culprit unmasked Ginzo and killed him in EP3.

But Ginzo is a smart fucker and had Nanjo as a hidden accomplice. Nanjo went and killed Rosa and Maria, which made Kyrie (the counter culprit) suspect Eva.

She isolated Hideyoshi for questioning but Hideyoshi, thinking they were trying to kill him because Eva found the gold, killed Rudolph.

Kyrie managed to get rid of him but got a little wounded, then she came with the idea to play dead so she could know what was going on. She picked the stakes she stole from Ginzo and fake-staked herself, Hideyoshi and Rudolph.

After everyone went and found the bodies (Nanjo didnt knew what happened but guessed Ginzo avoided death somehow and staked them and then forgot to check on Kyrie) she stood up, and went to the guest house.

There she dragged Natsuhi and Krauss out with a gun in their heads and questioned who killed Rosa and Maria, blaming the culprit for the accidental Nanjo's death. They didnt know how to answer, Kyrie snapped out and killed both of them.

She dragged their bodies and staked then, knowing people would go back to the mansion, she played dead again.

When she was doing that she noticed that Nanjo passed by her with George, while pointing a gun at him. She stood there and heard when Nanjo shot him.

Nanjo left the mansion and then came back with everyone while Kyrie was still playing dead, when Nanjo separated himself from Eva and Battler, Kyrie stood up and thirsty for revenge killed Nanjo but got shot in the process and died leaving Jessica alone.

Then three people were alive, Eva killed Battler and the bomb killed Jessica.

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>>4471627
The counter culprit unmasked Ginzo and killed him in EP3.

But Ginzo is a smart fucker and had Nanjo as a hidden accomplice. Nanjo went and killed Rosa and Maria, which made Kyrie (the counter culprit) suspect Eva.

She isolated Hideyoshi for questioning but Hideyoshi, thinking they were trying to kill him because Eva found the gold, killed Rudolph.

Kyrie managed to get rid of him but got a little wounded, then she came with the idea to play dead so she could know what was going on. She picked the stakes she stole from Ginzo and fake-staked herself, Hideyoshi and Rudolph.

After everyone went and found the bodies (Nanjo didnt knew what happened but guessed Ginzo avoided death somehow and staked them and then forgot to check on Kyrie) she stood up, and went to the guest house.

There she dragged Natsuhi and Krauss out with a gun in their heads and questioned who killed Rosa and Maria, blaming the culprit for the accidental Rudolph's death. They didnt know how to answer, Kyrie snapped out and killed both of them.

She dragged their bodies and staked then, knowing people would go back to the mansion, she played dead again.

When she was doing that she noticed that Nanjo passed by her with George, while pointing a gun at him. She stood there and heard when Nanjo shot him.

Nanjo left the mansion and then came back with everyone while Kyrie was still playing dead, when Nanjo separated himself from Eva and Battler, Kyrie stood up and thirsty for revenge killed Nanjo but got shot in the process and died leaving Jessica alone.

Then three people were alive, Eva killed Battler and the bomb killed Jessica.

[Anonymous No.]

>Nanjo went and killed

No. Nanjo hasn't killed anyone.

That's not red either, that's just..obvious.

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>>4471739
You guys put the blame in a fucking maid, a doctor is logically most likely to be a murderer.

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>>4471752

Oh look. It's Higurashi again.

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>>4471464
>>4471470
>>4471511
Yeah, about Episode 2... Battler never says that Kinzo speaks when he's the one narrating. The narration switches to third person for the parts where it's made to look like Kinzo is alive, by having him speak and such. However, when Battler says he sees someone sitting across from Kinzo, that's narrated from his POV.

The "golden butterflies" he saw could be attributed to glitter or confetti or something that he mistook for butterflies.

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>>4471739

Actually there is a red saying "Nanjo isn't a murderer", but even without it it's pretty obvious he didn't kill anyone except maybe George in episode 4 if you think Nanjo = Gaap.

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>>4471767
Jessica pretty much had to kill him, it fits like a glove.

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I dont get it, you guys are so quick to point all the servants as accomplices, why not Nanjo?

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>>4471767

That red only applies to Episode 1.

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>>4471776

Well.. I dunno.. maybe The red text that says he's not a fucking murderer!? He can lie about an autopsy, but that's all he's fucking good for. Nanjo just sucks big donkey dicks.

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>>4471776
We don't even need to say it, because he has to be one.

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>>4471788
Only applies to ep 1

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>>4471779

No it does not only apply to episode 1 It was MADE in episode 3!

#Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are not murderers

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>>4471800
It was said in EP4 about ep1.
Learn to use the red text wiki

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>>4471800

Did you even play the games?

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>>4471804
I found out today that red text wiki is missing some red text, particularly in episode 3.

>>4471776
As everyone else said, he has to be one. Read after dinner of episode 1 again, after Maria reads the letter. He pretty much gives it away that he is an accomplice.

[Anonymous No.]

Nanjo is the mastermind.

[TissueKidd !Ebe/KpvDJU No.]

>>4471448
This is awesome, but the butler doing it is so <Third Rate>

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/jp/ sure is slow

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>>4472161
If you were here a few months ago, /jp/ would seem quite fast right now.