Hisoutensoku Netplay

[Anonymous No.]

>>4445953 Old thread at autosage.

75.79.143.22:10800 West Coast

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470246
Hmm, it doesn't look like we'll have a good connection

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470246

Okay, that's the second time I've gotten that much lag today. Is my internet just being terrible?

Whatever, rehosting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470243
We are tired of your spam and bullshit at www. anon eraseThisOK talk .com. Stop fucking with us. You owe Sysop over $10,000 USD due to your harassments. Pay up by donating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470246
Ergh. Okay, yeah, there's definitely a problem with my connection.

[Anonymous No.]

67.163.49.53:06112
US Central

[Anonymous No.]

Well it's been a month since release.
Happy 1 month anniversary.
Made an updated chart to see how 1.10 is shifting things in Japan.
Here's a chart showing the average ladder ratings of the top ten players of each character including the standard deviation of each set.
Before the trolling/flaming starts this isn't a set in stone tiers lists. The ladder ratings fluctuate multiple times a day. What you can get from this list is:
- General strength of a character from the average rating her players achieve using her.
- A small glance into how popular or easy to use a character is. Generally speaking easier to use characters and characters with high ease of use will have lower variance (the area enclosed in the black lines.) Suika is an example of this. Unpopular characters or difficult to use characters have greater variance. Suwako is an example of this.

[Anonymous No.]

Here's an additional chart showing how the very best player of each character is currently ranking. The current champion of the ladder is an overwhelming Marisa player.
We can also see that the best Suwako player is also very strong now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470419
Hong is that high?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470419
>Generally speaking easier to use characters and characters with high ease of use will have lower variance
Am I reading this wrong? Because it seems redundant.

[Anonymous No.]

And finally for comparison here is what things looked like 2 weeks before 1.10 came out. Just for comparison's sake.
Looks like things are beginning to improve.
Keep in mind that balance is likely going to continue shifting as 1.10 is only a month old, and pre 1.10 games are still recorded in the ladder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470448
No, I made a mistake. That should be "Popular characters or characters with high ease of use." Sorry.
Those conditions help create a situation where more consistent player ability will appear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470406
NCZ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470461
what.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any lists or videos or guides of the best showing us which decks are truly the best? I like my deck, but the competitive faggot in me wants to have the best possible deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470489
Depends on your playing style, really. Plus, you can always have a competitive deck and a jokedeck at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470419
>>4470426
What is interesting to me is that there are characters with high averages, like Yukari being 4th average, but having a low ceiling (11th best by top player.) Then the opposite also shows up. The average Reisen is quite low, but has a higher ceiling than most.
>>4470449
It is also worth noting that the spread from best to worst has dropped considerably.
2320 to 1950 is now 2300 to 2120 or so. That's a much smaller gap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470489
No cookie cutter decks in Soku.
Even tourneyfags rarely use the same decks.
But here are some concepts to stick to:
Don't make a deck with a few copies of many cards. You'll just dumb luck your way into wins or losses. Running 4 of your cards is good.
Balance your card costs. Sure level 5 spellcards are awesome but if all you put in is level 5 spellcards you won't be able to use your deck for anything as you build up. Try to make the average cost for your cards around 2-3. Remember that you draw cards faster below 3 and slower after 3 so you may be able to draw and use 6-7 low cards before you draw one big 5 one.
And finally be careful with your system cards. While 5% defense sounds good it is only 500 health a round max and you might not even draw it until you're almost dead in the final round. Rather than save yourself 500 damage why not try to hurt them for more than 500 with your cards?

[Anonymous No.]

sure is empty in here....

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470419

Cirno is 9th from the bottom.

[winty No.]

bump for hosts, I guess. Need someone to kill my doll spamming ass.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472168
Hosting
76.29.15.231:07500
US Midwest

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472415

Keep getting denied, unless someone else connected

[winty No.]

fucking hate getting stuck in a corner the instant the round starts regardless of what I do.

[winty No.]

>>4472691
don't misunderstand me - i'm not saying it's your fault. I can't figure out what I was doing wrong to lose every time the round started, and I get annoyed when there is a problem and I can't find a way to fix it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472415
Good games winty. It's bad etiquette to quit when you're losing or get off to a bad start. Besides, I can't save replays if you quit before the game ends.
It looks like you learned to block on wakeup while your opponent is standing right next to you. Now you just have to stop yourself from airteching so much. You wouldn't have got caught in Yuyuko's ring that one game if you had just fallen to the ground instead of recovering in the air.

[winty No.]

>>4472715
Yeah, sorry about that, just anger at nearly everything I try to do failing horribly. Next time I might be able to sit through a full match without wanting to smash my hands to pieces.

[Anonymous No.]

72.193.21.205:10800

best coast, intoxicated tier

[Clannad !A7W/F.LWIE No.]

Is this game even good or are you all just playing it because its toohoo?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm having a problem hosting games, anyone know any solutions?

[Notes No.]

>>4472795
You'll hate it but you won't be able to quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472795
I used to play this, and I'd say it's fun at first, but playing it as a tourneyfaggan game is pretty fuckin miserable because of the way so many of the mechanics work.

[winty No.]

>>4472800
make sure you are port forwarded and have a static ip set up.

[Clannad !A7W/F.LWIE No.]

>>4472803
Well how does it fare to other fightan? Is it balanced and what would you say it played like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472795
It's a lot of fun but the learning curve is steep. Especially if you've never played a fighting game before in your life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472764
still hosting

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472819
It doesn't play like any existing franchise. The grazing mechanic is too different. The flight mechanic also offers a lot of freedom.
The best comparison might be a slower MvC2, since it is all about setups and 'assists' in so much as cover fire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4470534

To add onto this:

Try to figure out what skill cards improve the most at which levels. For example, Alice's Thousand Spear Dolls (alt 214BC) is not good at all on the ground at level 1 because it leaves you very vulnerable even if you get a succesful hit in, but at level 2 it can be used safely in almost any situation, and can even be used in ground combos (aside from being a simple finisher). Therefore, if you put 4 Thousand Spear Doll cards into your deck, unless you really like the idea of maximizing its damage, you can use two of those cards as fodder for your spellcards after using two to bump the skill up to level 2

If you're going to use skill cards that require a high level to be useful (COUGHMEILINGCOUGHCOUGH), you're going to have to make due with low cost spell cards. Always think to yourself while designing your deck "how many cards can I blow on a spellcard without hurting my overall efficiency?" Working with a variety of skills that work quite well at level 1 or 2 opens up the option for a lot of powerful spellcards in your deck. For instance, Meiling's Earth Dragon Wave (alt 22BC) is perfectly serviceable at level 1, and her Scarlet Cannon (default 623BC) is excellent even at level 2, with only one card invested in it. Even if you stacked a Meiling deck with those skill cards, you could also put a bunch of powerful level 5 spell cards without hurting your efficiency much, because all you really *need* are the level 1 and 2 versions of those cards, respectively, to get the main benefit out of upgrading to them

See how you can apply this philosophy to your own main. Determining which skill levels are the "must haves" of your character will go a long way towards making a strong deck suited to your personal style of play

[Clannad !A7W/F.LWIE No.]

>>4472827
I really hated mvc2. I usually play sf and kof. So far I really haven't found a harder game than kof.

[Notes No.]

>>4472819
The weather system is pretty unique to this game, makes every match different, but it also screws up your plans.

Spell cards let you customize your abilities to match your playstyle, and can make two people playing the same character drastically different.

Balance is relative, due to the spell cards, although some characters do have noticeably higher speed and/or damage output.

I'm not exactly knowledgeable about fighting games but I haven't seen anything horribly similar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472817

uhh... how do?

[winty No.]

>>4472844
involves mucking with your router. Best I can do is direct you here: http://portforward.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472839
It has significantly more variety in play than street fighter. It has high low comparable to KoF, with some hyper-hopping like gameplay but there's no rolling or bc mode or anything like that.
Just watch some videos of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EdrFJuBAsk

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472819

It does not really play like any other fighting game I've ever tried. It's very floaty and slow paced, sort of like Super Smash Brothers, but the mechanics of the game are unlike any other. Bullets are much more powerful than other fighting games, but at the same time they are almost useless because of the graze mechanic that makes you invincible to bullets. It'd really be better if you just tried it yourself

>>4472821

Also, honestly, this Anon is not correct in my opinion. The harshest learning curve Hisoutensoku has is learning what all the spell and skill cards of each character does. That's it. Inputting commands is easy because there is nothing more complicated than a Dragon Punch motion in this game, and the game is slow paced enough to make it easy to get a handle on the action pretty quickly

It's still a fun game, though, but not for everyone. You'll enjoy it if you like the idea of a slower paced fightan that focuses mostly on ranged setups and a great deal of movement freedom, as opposed to, say, Street Fighter, where jumping towards the enemy is basically handing them a fifth of your life bar

[Notes No.]

>>4472870
You make it sound like this game doesn't have combos that take away 110% of your health bar

[Clannad !A7W/F.LWIE No.]

>>4472880
Well looking at the gameplay videos it seems mostly of fireballs flooding the screen and dodging.

[Notes No.]

>>4472888
a LOOOOOT of dodging

[winty No.]

>>4472888
Like most fighting games, at that level it's two players testing the reactions and abilities of the other while looking for an opening. In touhouz, the best way to do that is throw a bunch of shit at him and see how he reacts so you can do something to punish his reaction. Bullets, when used outside of combos, are to cover approaches, make openings, and defend yourself from other bullets. That's a lot of shit for them to do, so you'll be using a lot of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472870
The learning curve is harshest on simple game knowledge that you can get from reading a wiki? Are you serious?
Higher level play revolves almost entirely around your ability to know not only your own character's strings very well but also know your opponent's strings well enough that you can identify frametraps, errors, escape points, border escape points, reversal points, fifty-fifties and more. Most new players never get past this point and instead mash out, luck out, or get destroyed by pressure. That's where the learning curve starts.
You also need to know how your bullet density compare to hundreds of other possible bullets, and in many cases be aware of matchup specific combos or immunities to combos. The game has a steep learning curve that really can only be climbed up by a significant amount of grinding out trial and error.

[Notes No.]

Here's some high tier play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRynTCmWafE

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472880

Show me even one that isn't in some retarded combo video featuring a player stacking up with 4 Control Rods, level 4 skills, and using a level 4-5 spell card, possibly after the enemy uses 4 Control Rods themselves so they take bonus damage. The closest thing I can think of is Suwako cursing with her + damage effect and then using one of her high level spell cards, but even then it will probably only take off around 5000-6000hp without a control rod

>>4472888

This >>4472899 summed it up pretty well. You can do a lot with bullets in this game, and testing reactions, countering bullets, fishing for combos, and forcing graze to punish with melee are all only a few of the things you'll find you can do with them

Just download it, patch it, and give it a whirl, man. You're on /jp/, it's not like your time is that valuable to begin with~

[Notes No.]

>>4472929
reimu's spinny orb things in typhoon

[Anonymous No.]

99.62.115.26:10800

US East

Attempting to host.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472915

Well, I was mostly thinking in terms of "mechanical skill" as in the difficulty of actually DOING shit. Rereading my post, I should've made that more clear

Of course, you're quite correct when it comes to the match ups and mind games that go into a match

So yeah, nevermind me, just being a durp here

[Notes No.]

ah, found a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8-SrmzsrkE

delicious 14k damage

[Anonymous No.]

I love Soku, especially that with level 5 spellcards you can take more than half a bar o life with one button(imagine when the drizzle weather is on, satisfaction guaranteed).

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472968

Anyone?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't play but I see these threads every day and there's something I'm curious about. In the past, it seemed like everyone really hated weather and usually played with it hacked out of the game. But now it seems like people don't mind it or even like it. What changed?

[博麗 霊夢 !1rAyMooPLc No.]

>>4473275
People stopped giving a fuck. Also I believe the person making the weather patches also said fuck this game and stopped making them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4473238
Ugh, wonder what's with these huge lag pauses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4473334

Not sure, its the first time its been this bad since I've started this game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4472968
Re-hosting

[Anonymous No.]

>>4473275
Tourneyfags realized how terrible the game was.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

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[Anonymous No.]

Anyone?

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

83.249.161.47:10800
Sweden hostan.
My connection might die occasionally.

[Fox Hunter !!+2zsRI6S46m No.]

24.76.93.86:10800

Hostan.

Can Central.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4475575
Good games! Is it just me, or did I forget to ground tech at all? Nice Komachi anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Bump for host.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4476273
GGs! Can't really say I remember you doing that actually, though my memory is questionable.
Anyways, thanks for always bearing with me.