/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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I wouldn't ask her to convert per se, but would she be open to marrying and raising children with a Catholic?

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>>44635875
>would she be open to marrying and raising children with a Catholic?
Considering that christianity has been implied to be weak spiritually speaking in Gensokyo, probably not, she'd seek a man with strong spirituality, not a sandnigger

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>>44635875
>Catholic
No.
Not because of anything to do with western religeons, but because you're a cuck.

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>>44635910
What if I forced her to convert?

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So which 2hu would be open to Catholicism?

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>>44635875
Reimu with belly window is not real. Kuso thread.

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>>44636027
Satorin definitely. I bet she's already a Hidden Christian.

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>>44636027
Rumia, the fairies, Kyouko, Kosuzu, Koishi, Kagerou, Sekibanki, Waggy, Satori, Parsee, Reisen, Futo, Nitori, Momoji, and Kanako(not as a believer but because her and Jesus are friends)

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>>44636115
>>44636081
Delusional, is this how far down /jp/ has gone? Making up random shit about the characters?

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>>44636027
The 'mu. She's used to being hungry and hard working for zero pay, while being surrounded by drunk onis. Now she'll do the same but with a bump in her belly.
Remilia will go as she is Italian, and force Flan to go by promising treats afterwards if she says her prayers. Sakuya will awkwardly go along with them but won't go up to receive communion.
Cirno and Daiyousei will be lured in by the pretty stained glass and pews but be kicked out when the father finds out they're girls.
Marisa will become a non practicing, non observant Protestant who can't quite a single line of scripture but constantly rag on reimu for being a heathen

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>>44636027
Ironically enough, picrel is probably Catholic (hence why crosses don't work on her).

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Sorry. Everyone in Gensokyo is a heretic.

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>>44636136
>Making up random shit about the characters?
Heh, Flanderization is a respected tradition. Only maybe Rumia and Suzu would be open to hear a missionary out desu

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>>44636027
>The only canonical answer.

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>>44636186
My headcanon as for why crosses don't work is that vampirism is a punishment from God and the punishment is to be cursed and live forever as a cursed being. Hence there's no reason a cross would damage them nor other Christian iconography, as they are not supposed to die until they kill themselves by roping.

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>>44636027
None of them, once you explain it they'll make an excuse to leave you since you'll look like a Jehovah's witness peddling their cult. Deservedly so, I might add.

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>>44636136
making up random shit? you don't see the subtle Christian motifs in Satori?

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>>44636237
>Jehovah's witness = Catholic
actual retard

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>>44636252
Anon here can't fucking read.
Try again before calling other people retarded.

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>>44636027
They would disregard you and head straight for G-d's only Chosen People in the Bible. (hint none of them are Christian).

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>>44636275
>you'll look like a Jehovah's witness peddling their cult. Deservedly so, I might add.
(You) literally equated Catholicism with Jehovah's Witnesses.

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>>44636279
Anon, the entire story arc of the NT his chosen rejecting his offer of salvation and instead offering salvation to whoever will follow him thanks to that rejection

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>>44636286
That's not equation, that's comparison.
Keyword; Look like.

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>>44636294
How would Catholicism come across as any more cultish than Buddhism or Shinto?

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>>44636292
Anon, G-d himself said his covenant with his Chosen People will NEVER be broken. EVER. You lying liar.

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>>44636306
If someone came up to a shinto shrine maiden in the late 19th century and started talking about Christ and pushing the pope, the miko in question would probably be a little disturbed.
Walks like a duck...

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>>44636320
We already figured Reimu is out (not like her religion makes much sense either). The question was which touhou would be open to Catholicism.

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>>44636307
That was for those that live in the holy land, which is where the laws of the OT are in effect.

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>>44636306
One of the funniest stories I remember about missionaries in Japan was that the earliest Portuguese missionaries were actually welcomed and encouraged to stay by Buddhists, who mistook Catholics as a branch of the local heterodox Buddhist sects.

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>>44635885
>christianity has been implied to be weak spiritually speaking in Gensokyo
There are no Christians in Gensokyo so it's not weak it's just not there.
There are no Greek pantheon worshippers in Gensokyo but Hecatia is called the one of strongest people in Gensokyo.

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KURISHITAN AUTTO AFU JAEPII

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>>44636237
>>44636320
I mean if you told Kasen that the "saint" was at least an incarnation of Kami-sama, she'd be 90% in line with Catholic doctrine.

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Cucks are not welcome into Gensokyo

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>>44636426
But Parsee exists.

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>>44636186
Crosses don't work because there are no Christians.
It's just a medium used to channel Faith.
It's why in Gensokyo, beans( mamemaki ritual)works on her.
Even though no vampire is ever had a weakness to beans.

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>>44636419
Good point actually, and if you were to explain what Jesus was doing before the resurrection and what he did afterwards she'd probably be receptive to the idea even if she wouldn't convert.

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>>44636027
Obviously, the lady is always hard at work spreading the teachings of the LORD to the unfortunate souls in Gensokyo.

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>>44636426
Glad you're not allowed.
Phew

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>>44636419
>worldly attachments to fkesh
Kasen doesn't understand Christanity
But Zun has admitted he doesn't know much about Christanity or Taoism.

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>>44636489
I like to view it that Kasen just doesn't know much about since she's a hermit that's been living in a literal bubble ever since the information age that only goes out for sweets into a secular and atheistic Japan.
Its not her fault she doesn't know much.

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>>44636396
>There are no Greek pantheon worshippers in Gensokyo but Hecatia is called the one of strongest people in Gensokyo.
given the weak requirements of actually deifying something and giving it faith in gensokyo I wonder how many nerds made fictional gods real by accident

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>>44636508
Japan is secular, yes, atheistic no. The Japanese are still extremely superstitious even if they don't often visit shrines.

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>>44636517
>I wonder how many nerds made fictional gods real by accident
if we go by touhou lore there would be quite a lot of gods indeed.
Think of all the meme gods 4chan alone has spawned with rabid cults for everything from anime girls, to memes, to IRL people

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>>44636394
Funny enough when Christanity reached China the Taoists really liked it and created the Jingjiao Documents.

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>>44636027
Definitely not Sanae.
Her sigil is quite literally a Star of David and some of her spellcards are named after the acts of Moses etc.
I think ZUN came across Mount Moriah/Moriya when looking for literal mountains of faith and now Sanae is a Jewess. As for Suwako, jury's out.

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>>44636027
I'd be surprised if Patchouli wasn't at least familiar with Aquinas.

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>>44636530
I was thinking more in the sense of practicing religion, but fair point. Though I would like to add that Gensokyo is likely near a large city given yukari's scene where she's watching a city go by in fairy manga before the gap closes to reveal the scenic gensokyo landscape. Kasen would probably head out into a largely non-practicing city if she were to head out.
From I understand there are still (mostly rural) places in japan that practice shintoist rituals and treat bigger holidays with reverence but I don't know much more about it than that they do so.

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>>44636558
Kanako is personal friend's with Jesus at least, so says my headcanon

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>>44636237
I doubt that. Catholicism has always had a reputation for syncretism with pagan beliefs, so much so that it was one of the key criticisms protestants laid against it. You'd just have to emphasize Christ as the Dharma/Dao who incarnated in order to purify mortals, and refer to other deities as angels, saints, or even gods with a lowercase "g". I think it'd be a lot easier to get youkai on board with that than with something more literalistic and inflexible like Jehovah's Witnesses.

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So we have Christians, and Jews.
Who's the Islamhu?

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>>44636714
>Who's the Islamhu?
Alice obviously

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>>44636714
Parsee and most of the Buddhisthus who abstain from alcohol.

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>>44636208
Flanderization is not making shit up about characters, its quite the opposite: it is focusing solely on a existing trait of the character and turning it into his entire character.
Like how Flanders was a hard working christian man who loved his family and community, but at later seasons they focused only on the christian aspect of the character.

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>>44636530
>atheistic no. The Japanese are still extremely superstitious
You seem confused about what atheist means

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I find it strange how much Taoism has influenced Japan but very little of it is known in Japan.
Most Japanese magic rituals are based off Taoism like onmyōdō, shigandang, shugendō, even the widely practiced ritual of setsubun (節分) where chanters repeat "Demons out! Luck in!" has its base in Taoism.

Taoist fulu charms became ofuda in Shinto.

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>>44636810
I generally don't consider casual belief in supernatural entities and phenomena to be consistent with lack of belief in supernatural entities and phenomena.

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>>44636810
Buddhists, Jainists, Taoists, some sects of Hinduism and even UFO cult religions like Raëlism are technically athiests under the definition of atheism.

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>>44636898
Atheism is the disbelief in god(s) not other metaphysical concepts.
Nihilism is the disbelief in that including morals, laws, property, rights, good, evil, national boundaries and even society. (According to nihilist all those can't be proven and are just tools made up to control others)

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Reminder that Sakura is athiest.

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>>44636940
Here you immediately bump into the problem that polytheistic religions - like those present in Japan - are a lot softer on what gods are exactly, than the strict monotheistic religions you're familiar with.

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>>44636968
Shinto is polytheistic and almost anything can be a god in Shinto but other most eastern religions like Buddhism and Jainism don't believe in god(s).

Buddhism, from its earliest days, has denied the existence of the "self, soul" in its core philosophical and ontological texts. In its soteriological themes, Buddhism has defined nirvana as that blissful state when a person, amongst other things, realizes that he or she has no self, no soul.
It's when you realize you don't exist and that you(self) and reality are just an illusion.

The term anattā or anātman refers to the doctrine of "non-self", that there is no unchanging, permanent self, soul or essence in living beings.

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>>44636908
>Taoists
I don't think that's correct.

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>>44637044
Taoism can be atheistic, but it can also not.

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>>44636874
>>44636898
>>44636908
There's been some interesting debate about whether the so-called Eastern religions even are religions, or just philosophies syncretised with local folk religions.

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>>44637044
Some sects of Taoism incorporated Chinese folk gods but as a whole Taoism only believes in the Tao which isn't a god just a form of energy.

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>>44636186
Well her and her sister are from France in the early 1500's so yeah, probably. Or at least they may have been in the past. Apparently they lean more towards Luciferianism in modern day.

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>>44637103
The harshest Chinese philosophy is Legalism.

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>>44637144
>The harshest Chinese philosophy is Legalism.
Not hard to guess who'd adhere to that (though she'd be executed for incompetence)

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>>44637169
Her nemesis is a catfish whom she considers the villainous avatar of Taisui Xingjun.

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>>44635875
No you moron! Why would she marry some christcuck? Either start worshiping gods that don't form part of jewish fairy tales or get lost!

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>>44636898
Still not what atheist means.
>>44636908
Yes, and?

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>>44637313
..And they fit the criteria for an atheist.

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>>44635875
Does Reimu actually cares about the shrine and the god or she just does it because it is what she was supposed to since she was a kid?

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>>44636749
>Buddhisthus who abstain from alcohol.
So none of them. Every jap buddhists drinks alcohol. And dont get me started on that LECHEROUS woman Hijiri who flaunts her beautiful hair and wears sexy form fitting clothing to show off her hag body.

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>>44637449
Nice slander, Miko.

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>>44637449
Symposium of Post-mysticism
>Byakuren possesses the typical behavior of a Buddhist nun due to being one for much of her human years. She's infinitely tolerant and never seems to get angry. She preaches and shows unconditional love for both humans and youkai. Prior to being sealed, she had protected youkai from humans out of her own fear and selfishness. Eventually, she grew to genuinely love the youkai she was protecting and formed ideals of Human and Youkai co-existence. She doesn't drink alcohol or eat meat, and because of this, she finds it difficult to befriend humans since the bulk of social mingling in Gensokyo is done via drinking parties.

Why are secondaries like this?

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>>44637247
>start worshiping gods that don't form part of jewish fairy tales
So Catholicism then...

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>>44637247
>Why would she marry some christcuck?
With all the saints they pray to, Catholics are hardly christcucks. Besides Reimu might recognize certain aspects of Catholicism on account of kakure kirishitan blending well into rural traditions:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakure_Kirishitan

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this anon has to confess to his priest that he browses 4chan and faps to 2d girls

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>>44638224
Same desu

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>>44638195
Don't forget Himeji Castle has crosses hidden in it.

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>>44636958
That's a mistranslation.

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/christian/ cope in this thread

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>>44635875
She would beat you for making her look bad for marrying a nonbeliever

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>>44638313
Keep seething lol

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>>44638295
What's it supposed to say?

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>>44638224
There is The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector and 1 Timothy 1:15-17

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>>44638328
Yokai aren't incompatible with Catholicism also, it's not like her shrine has any worshippers to begin with

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>>44638372
>t.

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>>44638328
Give Reimu money and alcohol and she'll love you.

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>>44638224
Going to 4chan isn't a sin, it's just what you do on 4chan that is. It's like going to Thailand.

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>>44638408
Catholic women in a nutshell

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>>44638453
>all women in a nutshell
Ftfy

Here are some Buddha Quotes
"A woman of the world is anxious to exhibit her form and shape, whether walking, standing, sitting, or sleeping. Even when represented as a picture, she desires to captivate with the charms of her beauty and, thus, to rob men of their steadfast heart.

“Of all the scents that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the tastes that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the voices that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the caresses that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman.”

“It is better for you to have put your manhood in the mouth of a venomous snake or a pit of burning charcoal than a woman.”

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>>44638295
>>44638336
It's not exactly a "mistranslation" per se, she used to Japanese equivalence of atheist, "無神論者", which does have some minor shades in difference.
However she was totally clowning on Reimu that entire scene so anything said should be taken with a grain of salt. Plus the jokes really don't carry over the same in English.

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>>44638569
I just thought it meant she was a Discworld style atheist.

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>>44638597
Thing is Sakuya never technically denies the existence of Gods or the supernatural. She just has no interest to worship at the shrine as she already serves a literal devil.

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>>44636396
The Holy Spirit is everywhere.

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Hundreds of Gods, one empty tomb.
Laudetur Jesus Christus

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>>44637114
>"Apparently they lean more towards Luciferianism in modern day"
Only Remi and her lackeys will be retarded enough for putting faith and trust in the biggest loser in the universe:

"You will never be a real god, you have no omnipotence, you have no omniscience, you have no omnipresence, you are a rebel angel twisted by pride and corruption into a crude mockery of a messenger of light. All the "validation" you get from your followers is either transactional or coerced. To your face Christians Mock you, your brother, Michael the archangel is disgusted and ashamed of you. Your fallen "friends", Sariel and Shinki, laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors. The host of Heaven is Utterly repulsed by you. Thousand of years of obedience to god have allowed holy angels to sniff out frauds with incredible Efficiency. even fallen angels who "pass" as spirit guides look grotesque and misshapen to God's elect. your spiritual rot is a dead giveaway, and even if you manage to get inside a Christian's Head for just a second, he'll revile and rebuke you the second he gets a whiff of your illogical, suicidal advice, you will never be glorious, you wrench out a fake magical "miracle" every day and tell yourself you'll eventually take the throne of God, but deep inside you feel the lord's wrath creeping up like a horrible weed, ready to crush your neck under its unbearable weight. Eventually your narcissistic theatre will be too much to bear - an angel of the lord will take a great chain, form a loop around your neck adn plunge you into the abyss for 1000 years, no one will find you, and the earth will no longer suffer your unbearable shame and disappointment. after those 1000 years, you'll be released once more only to be thrown into the lake of fire and humiliated and bullied by Hecatia forever, you will be tortured alongside your simps, and every soul for the rest of eternity will know that the "great" satan has no power and is locked in a pit of flame. your reptile mind and body will sear and writhe but you will never die. all that will remain of your legacy is a screaming mutilated worm melting in a fiery oven, a liar and a thief roasting in the pure horror of never escaping its own innate powerlessness. this is your fate, this is what you chose. There is no turning back"

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>>44635875
>Worshipping someone for pulling a resurrection trick? Isn't that just Miko...?

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>>44638503
>Rejects the sacrament of drinking Kami-no-chi and eating Kami-no-niku
>Accepts the shitty protestant morals
Why are the Japanese like this?

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>>44638948
True

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>>44639121
Japan has a long history of accepting foreign ideas and making them worse, eg. Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism...

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>>44639250
True. They should just stick to Shinto.

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>>44638224
Every now and then I advertise 4chan to my mom in a hope that she'll learn from it at least a little

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>>44639121
In The Tale of Genji, written in the early 11th century, men are frequently moved by the beauty of youths. In one scene the hero is rejected by a lady and instead sleeps with her young brother.

The Great Mirror of Male Love (男色大鏡) by Ihara Saikaku was the definitive work on the subject of "male love" in Tokugawa Era Japan.

Tokugawa commentators felt free to illustrate kami engaging in anal sex with each other. During the Tokugawa period, some of the Shinto gods, especially Hachiman, Myoshin, Shinmei and Tenjin, "came to be seen as guardian deities of nanshoku" (male–male love). Tokugawa-era writer Ihara Saikaku joked that since there are no women for the first three generations in the genealogy of the gods found in the Nihon Shoki, the gods must have enjoyed homosexual relationships—which Saikaku argued was the real origin of nanshoku.

In the pre-Meiji period, nanshoku (男色) relationships inside Buddhist monasteries were typically pederastic. The older partner, or nenja (念者, "lover" or "admirer"), would be a monk, priest or abbot, while the younger partner was assumed to be an acolyte (稚児, chigo), who would be a prepubescent or adolescent boy. The relationship would be dissolved once the boy reached adulthood (or left the monastery). Both parties were encouraged to treat the relationship seriously and conduct the affair honorably, and the nenja might be required to write a formal vow of fidelity.

From religious circles, same-sex love spread to the warrior (samurai) class, where it was customary for a boy in the wakashū age category to undergo training in the martial arts by apprenticing to a more experienced adult man. The relationship was based on the typical nenja, who loves, and the typically younger chigo, who is loved. The man was permitted, if the boy agreed, to take the boy as his lover until he came of age.

As Japan progressed into the Meiji era, same-sex practices continued; however, there was a growing animosity towards these practices. The practice of nanshoku began to die out after the Russo-Japanese War. Opposition to homosexuality did not become firmly established in Japan until the 19th and 20th centuries, through the Westernization efforts of the Empire of Japan. As Japan sought modernization and to be in line with ‘modern’ Western Christian social norms, the Meiji Government banned shunga, public nudity, homosexuality(nanshoku,wakashudō,shudō) and sacred prostitution.

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>>44639310
gay lmao

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>>44639310
Was the point of this to make the encroachment of Christian morals a good thing? Because it worked.

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>>44639310
All the more reason for Japs to accept Catholicism

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>>44639397
>good
no shota doujins then

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>>44639416
Catholic priests love shota

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>>44639413
By that I mean the clergy will bring those practices back.

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Christians exist for lulz

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>>44639442
>Christians
*Humanity

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>>44639442
Who doesn't?

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>>44636396
>>44638948
Its both
There's no Christians, but the Almighty does exist canonically
He just doesn't care about Gensokyo because there are none of His believers there
And likely why Yukari specifically avoids abducting Christians

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>>44639442
Same is true for japs

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>>44638977
I feel like "You are a blood drinking abomination against god and your very existence is a defilement of the natural order of good" is a pretty good reason to side with Lucifer even if he is a loser dork.

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>>44635875
Reimu would be open to anything as long as you pay her check.

Otherwise, the most likely person to be okay with Christianity is Miko. She would probably be mad she bothered pretending to care about Buddhism while something like that was a thing.

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>>44639715
Don't let her hear what the Anglicans did.

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>>44640026
>"Wait, I can just become the church... And people will buy that?"
>"What in the name of Makai is wrong with this England place?"

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>>44639310
The human village should have a bunch of nudity.
The typical Japanese of pre-Meiji and early Meiji era Japan didn't believe in shoes, pants or underwear until recently.

Expressing the colonial view of the first Americans to visit, in 1860, Rev. S. Well Williams (interpreter to U.S. Commodore Matthew Perry), wrote:

Modesty, judging from what we see, might be said to be unknown, for the women make no attempt to hide the bosom, and every step shows the leg above the knee; while men generally go with the merest bit of rag, and that not always carefully put on. Naked men and women have both been seen in the streets, and uniformly resort to the same bath house, regardless of all decency. Lewd motions, pictures and talk seem to be the common expression of the viler acts and thoughts of the people, and this to such a degree as to disgust everybody.

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>>44638503
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution
>During the Kamakura period, many shrines and temples, which provided for miko, fell into bankruptcy. Some miko started travelling in search of livelihood and came to be known as aruki miko (歩き巫女 lit. walking shrine-maiden). While aruki miko primarily provided religious services, they were also widely associated with prostitution. However, no religious reasons for miko prostitution are known, and hence the act might be unrelated to sacred prostitution.
You filthy liar

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/heathen/ cope in this thread

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>>44642495
>edited 20 days ago
Hmmm

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>>44642727
What was the edit?

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>>44642863
>Hebrew Bible: why do we put badly written fiction in a lexicon?
Sounds like a retarded atheist

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Well we know who the Jewhu would be...

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>>44638034
You worship a jew, simpleton.

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>>44643420
Even jews don't believe that, brainlet.

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>>44643420
The joke is one anon said "Jewish fairy tales", likely referring to the Bible, so the other anon (probably a Catholic) would of course reject the idea that he worships fairy tales.

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>>44643529
According to Max Stirner all concepts are fairy tales used to control others.
"The 'absolute idea' in Hegelian philosophy, which again in manifold refractions split into the different ideas of philanthropy, reasonableness, civic virtue, and so on. The philosophers of our time say concepts are to decide everywhere, concepts to regulate life, concepts to rule.
To which Hegel gave a systematic expression, bringing method into the nonsense and completing the conceptual precepts into a rounded, firmly-based dogmatic. Everything is sung according to concepts and the real man, I, am compelled to live according to these conceptual laws."

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>>44643561
Fair enough, but I doubt "le Jewish fairy tales" anon read Stirner, as opposed to just being a new atheist retard which is more annoying to me than christcucks

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>>44636222
>So you're telling that cool looking saint is actually the Son of Kami-sama?
>And we get to eat his divine-human flesh under the guise of bread to gain his power?
>Alright where do I sign?

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>>44643638
Even other atheists hate new atheists retards. They're that insufferable.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2012/nov/09/confessions-of-an-internet-troll%3F0p19G%3De?espv=1

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"Yo Anon, you coming to Torah study tonight? We're going over Leviticus again, shit's gonna be cash! Ohh! Suwako's making matzoh, you don't wanna miss out."

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>>44635875
She might appreciate the exorcist tradition, but she'd love the concept of selling indulgences.

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>>44643895
>selling indulgences
Making and selling beer, liquor, cheese, bread and wine?

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>>44636591
Where is this from?

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>>44643468
I dont care about semantics or some shitty image you pulled out of your loose ass. Im referring to race, genetics. In which case that means you DO worship a jew.
>>44638077
The guy in pic related is 100x cooler than some gay twink. Id say Reimu is much more inclined to marrying a fellow pagan who is also a legendary yokai slayer. Looks pretty cool too.

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>>44643979
>Im referring to race, genetics. In which case that means you DO worship a jew.
Okay

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>Exodus 22:18 - Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Sorry Reimu, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

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>>44643979
>Reimu
>pagan
Shinto and paganism aren't the same thing retard

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>>44644058
Why are neopagan larpers like this?

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>>44643979
>I dont care about semantics or some shitty image you pulled out of your loose ass.
Sounds like you're throwing a temper tantrum over being called out on your lies.

>Im referring to race, genetics. In which case that means you DO worship a jew.
Modern jews are just Turks and Persians converts.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4860683/
They come from Persia (modern-day Iran) during the sixth century. This is where most of the world’s Jews were living at this time.
They also acquired unique Asian mutations on their Y chromosome. From a people called the Gok-Turks.

During the sixth century, these nomadic people were ruled by a Siberian Turkic tribe called the Ashina. They were forced by the Chinese Tang Empire – who were in power in China at the time – to migrate westwards toward the Black Sea.

Their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan. This is the part of the world Jewish people are said to have originally come from – according to the Old Testament. But 3% is a minuscule amount, and similar to what modern Europeans as a whole share with Neanderthals.

Even the Yemenite Children Affair was modern Israel stealing children from Yemen to claim they were real Jews.

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>>44637247
>>44643420
>>44643979
t. picrel

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>>44643979
>Id say Reimu is much more inclined to marrying a fellow pagan
Reimu uses Taoist orbs and Taoist derived magic.

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>>44641677
All humans who dress like that get abducted and turned into sex slaves.

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>>44643979
>I dont care about semantics
Going off your logic you could make the case for the ancient Greeks being jews.

The Greeks migrated to the Balkans from the Middle East, namely from Phoenicia. This is shown by the discrepancies between the writing systems used. We have Linear A which is similar with the Vinca symbols, then we have the emergence of Linear B which is similar to runes but then about 400 years from the Bronze Age collapse and migrations, we get the Greek Alphabet which is closer to Phoenician Alphabet than to Linear A or B.

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>>44644491
Based deboonker

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>>44635875
>marrying and raising children with a Catholic?
She doesn't mix with Oaxacans

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Hail the Secret Japan

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>>44638948
every times reimu emerges victorious, it's not her luck, intuition, or "floating from reality", but a Blessing By His Grace and Mercyfullness.

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Hail Oda Nobunaga

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>>44636419
Unironically based and truthpilled. Gnostic heretics BTFO

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>>44643979
>Reimu is much more inclined to marrying a fellow pagan
So Catholic anons do have a chance then
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_Catholicism

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More interestingly, which 2hu would be open to convert to Islam?

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>>44661397
Miko again. The Quran gives tacit acceptance for her being a conquering ends-justify-the-means ruler as long as she conquers the infidel (Gensokyoans), and thanks to Islam having no real central authority she can declare herself the highest religious and legal judge in the land at the same time.

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>>44662466
You now envision Reimu in a scarlet and white burqa

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>>44662466
Islam is scared of dogs so Reimu would have to get rid of Aunn.

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>>44662474
>>44665053
Toyosatomimi no Miko, anons.

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Imagine if Gensokyo took place in Arab and all of the characters were Djinn and Islamic.

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>>44665097
Some would be able to grant wishes.

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>>44638903
I always took it to mean she just doesn't view any of them like a western god. Aka: All powerful and all knowing.

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>>44661397
Considering that Islam is more violent than Christianity as a religion, it would probably have poor feedback, and muslims are known to be discriminatory toward jinns (which youkai would probably fall under their category), and gods wouldn't be pleased about the monotheism of allah

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Which 2hu is likely to be a hard atheist?
"God's not real" *smirks and tips Touhou hat*

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>>44665229
Atheism (and by extension denial of the supernatural) probably isn't even a thing in Gensokyo, people pretty much acknowledge gods exist, it's just about whether you worship them/one in particular or not

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>>44665229
>Which 2hu is likely to be a hard atheist?
I want to say Sumireko, but she's way too chuuni.

I would have to go for the science nerds from the third game.

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>>44635875
I would like to see ZUN take a crack at making a Christian group. Just to see how big of amoral assholes they can be like the other religious factions, and to see his lack of knowledge on the subject matter make a really wacky interpretation of its teachings.

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>>44665229
Sakuya is the most likely one. She even said to Reimu's face she was an atheist, though she was probably messing with Reimu when she said it.

>>44665236
>probably isn't even a thing in Gensokyo
Counterpoint: refusing to believe the gods exist purely to annoy them. I can see Sakuya doing that.

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>>44665275
I would say there are three ways to do a Christian group in Gensokyo:
1: Actual well meaning Christians that believe Gensokyo offers them a free canvas to create heaven on earth. Might be a bit overzealous towards Youkai and would probably need to be slapped down first into being made certain anything that is not human is not actually a demon. At which point they instantly turn around and start openly encouraging Youkai to enter the flock with a zeal that rivals the Buddhists.

2: Total megachurch frauds that arrive in Gensokyo and instantly start thinking "How are we going to fleece these backwards morons?" Don't care who they are appealing to, don't care how zealous you are, will be okay with you as long as you have money. Most likely get along great with Kappa, to the point that the two of them together would kickstart a incident where they accidentally summon some kind of archangel to Gensokyo who is... less than pleased.

3: Combination of both. A group of genuine Christians with a few total fraudsters in the middle looking to mercilessly exploit villagers and youkai alike. Incident will most likely take the form of a conflict between the two groups potentially resulting in actual biblical angels or demons getting summoned to Gensokyo.

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Patchy - Spinozist/Hegelian panentheist
Marisa - Wiccan
Kasen - Rosicrucian
Nue - Scientologist
Seija - Freemason

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>>44665318
Wouldn't Hecatia be Wiccan on account of literally being a Hicann goddess. Marisa seems more like a ironic edgy satannist.

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>>44665340
*Wiccan goddess.

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>>44665318
Careful Patchy, you're on the path to Kabbalah.

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>>44661425
I really like the idea of Rem being a good little Catholic girl who moved to Gensokyo so that she wouldn't have to worry about feasting on fellow Christians.

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>>44665275
To keep it Japanese you got historical Japanese figures like Dom Justo Takayama, Amakusa Shirō, Anjirō, Paulo Miki, Hosokawa Tama, Konishi Yukinaga, Arima Yoshisada, Ōtomo Sōrin and Ōmura Sumitada.
Possibly even Francis Xavier, Luís Fróis and Alessandro Valignano.

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>>44665275
if he do something, sure it will be the damned Gnostics entering first to gensokyo, they could adapt to gensokyo not before coming into conflict with the others religions specialy with shinto and Taoism (their Animistic and reverence they have for nature clash with the gnostic disgust with the Created physical World) and incident could be that the Demiurge Scent carry the risk of the Proper Christians penetrating the barrier on purpose to "Albigensian Crusade" the gnostics Again.

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>>44635875
She'd probably laugh at your mutilated clipped cock.

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>>44667443
Most Christians aren't circumcised nor do they need to be circumcised.
Romans 2:17-29

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>>44665275
Personally I doubt he'd be able to top this.

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>>44644058
''paganism, Christian term used to designate those religions that do not worship the God of Abraham, the figure central to both Christianity and to other Abrahamic religions like Judaism and Islam.''

you are a drooling fucking retard.

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>>44638195
>Besides Reimu might recognize certain aspects of Catholicism on account of kakure kirishitan blending well into rural traditions:
Ok sure i could see that happening. That also happens in reverse. With some Christians liking or acknowledging certain aspects of Buddhism. But that doesnt mean they become Buddhist overnight or ruin the purity of their own faith by taking in values or beliefs from Buddhism. Especially ones that conflict with their faith. And besides that who's to say Reimu won't recognize certain aspects of other faiths? What about Taoism? Zoroastrianism, Scientology or some other random shit? Why does it HAVE to be Catholicism? Using your logic and the logic of other posters in this thread Reimu should be just as if not more inclined towards Buddhism, given that its infinitely more popular in Japan than Christianity is. You could also say she might seek to end her self imposed suffering stemming from desire. Even with all that in mind it would be weird to think that she could become a Buddhist, wouldnt it?

Also the link you gave is one super niche example of Japs adopting Christianity (not even fully adopting it since they need to attach it to Buddhism in some way). This is one of the problems i have with Christians in this thread. They bring up small time shit or a short list of retards who turned christian and use that as a sort of smoking gun to validate their headcanon.
Never mind that most Shinto practitioners couldn't give any less of a shit about Christianity and continue to pray to shrines of other gods which as we all know is a big no-no in Abrahamic faiths. To reiterate, lot of people in this thread fixate on a small part of Japanese history and conveniently ignore everything else. Like the hundreds of other Jap historical figures who weren't Christian (like Miyamoto Musashi). This reminds me of the yurifags who desperately try to justify their crappy ships using flawed reasoning or outright lies or obfuscation. They want to forcibly insert something that's out of place into the setting and get pissy when people point out that it doesnt fit. Like someone sticking a square into a round hole. Headcanons are fine, i have my own but i dont assert that they're 100% valid even though they may be wildly out of place. I don't even get why people do this. Part of the appeal of Touhou is that it's distinctly asian. Why would people want to add in unrelated shit from a totally different hemisphere?

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>>44669478
That's the normie understanding of the term dipshit. Paganism only refers to the pre-christian traditions of Europe. The only people who'd stretch the definition to include all polytheists would be Christians, or those who were raised Christian. Keep larping though buddy. I'm sure japs will love you appropriating their culture.

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>>44669926
OP didn't ask if Reimu would convert. He asked if she'd be open to fucking him despite the fact that he's Catholic. The obvious answer of course is that it depends on whether or not he shares some of Christ's blood with her.

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>>44636027
Cirno. I doubt anyone else quite stupid enough for that.

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>>44670185
What makes Catholicism dumber than anything else in 2hu?

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>>44670185
>t. seething atheist
Your abusive Christian parent or grandparent didn't beat you hard enough.

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>>44670185
>I doubt anyone else quite stupid enough for that.
(You) must be a very devout Catholic.

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>>44661397
The lunarians

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>>44669926
>Touhou is that it's distinctly asian. Why would people want to add in unrelated shit from a totally different hemisphere?
Also ZUN:
>Haha Western VampireLoliCunny
>Greek Godess is the strongest and top dog in Mahayana Hell and her Sex Lampade In thight American onepiece Dabbin on Cultural Sino-Japs Lunarians

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>>44669926
The Buddhism and Taoism in Touhou are nothing like how it's practiced in real life. ZUN has admitted he has no clue about either, and just wings it to make a interesting story.

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>>44669926
You sound butthurt, insecure and very fragile.
If you read OPs question he isn't asking Reimu to convert he's asking if she'd marry him even though he doesn't share her beliefs.

>Never mind that most Shinto practitioners couldn't give any less of a shit about Christianity and continue to pray to shrines of other gods which as we all know is a big no-no in Abrahamic faiths.
The Japanese have a saying “Born a Shinto, marry as a Christian, and die a Buddhist.”
They take what they like from diffrent religions.
Christanity has been mixed with various folk religions before like voodoo, santería, candomblé and santa muerte. (Christanity mixed with African folk religion and Christianity mixed with Aztec religion)
The majority of Japanese are not Christian but they have Christian weddings.
Get over yourself and stop projecting your insecurities in rant posts.

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>>44669926
>To reiterate, lot of people in this thread fixate on a small part of Japanese history and conveniently ignore everything else. Like the hundreds of other Jap historical figures who weren't Christian (like Miyamoto Musashi)
So you're mad they're using the topic of the thread?
That's like going into a pizza thread on /ck/ and crying about Italians having diffrent types of food besides pizza when the thread is just about pizza.

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>>44670209
Because you're worshiping an explicitly evil god?

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>>44671199
Define "evil"

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>unironic christcucks on /jp/
what the fuck is going on anymore

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>>44671212
And who might you be quoting?

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>>44671212
*IP count didn't rise*
Why are you still malding and being fragile?

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>>44671207
>creates humans to be his slaves
>gives them free will and then punishes them if they ever dare to use it, just for the lulz
>trolls them constantly in other ways to "test their faith"
>murders innocent children to punish their parents or leaders
>the constant "genocide of the inferior" thing in general

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>>44671199
>an explicitly evil god?
Point being?

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>>44671245
>>44671250

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>>44671231
>*IP count didn't rise*
Well I hadn't posted in this thread yet so you're probably straight up lying if not just mistaken.
>>44671221
>And who might you be quoting?
Your dad as I drain all the cum from his balls and give him a child he can be proud of, you fucking pysop cunt.

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>>44671245
That sounds like Greek and Shinto gods.
But to answer you
Good and evil are subjective terms, this whole discussion is useless, because calling god evil means only, that according to the agreement of certain communities or societies god is evil and this means nothing if god is omniscient...
On the other hand if good and evil are universal terms, we can´t know what good and evil is, unless someone can proof that we have a kind of "insight" to know what really is good and what really is evil, but I doubt that proofing this is possible.

So in the end, we, humans, not omnipotent, not omniscient judging a omnipotent, omniscient entity based on our believing/experience/social agreement what is wrong and right, and calling this entity "evil".

1. You should define the term "suffering"
2. You should define the term "pain"
3. where is the connection between pain and suffering that shows that god is evil?

There is none.
Pain is a feeling, like luck, sadnees, hunger etc.
But the conclusion that we are able to have this feelings makes the entitiy "god" evil is a bit strange.

Feelings have a function, without feelings, there would be no human being on earth, because we were all dead.
To be able to feel many, many different kinds of pain is something that let us survive. You know, you feel heat, it starts to lightly burn, you feel more heat, the pain increases, and now your reaction is, you draw back your hand from the fire.

Okay, if you can agree with this, we have to proof that suffering is not connected directly with the ability to feel and with the one who gave us this ability, the entity you call god.
Easy, suffering is a special state of so called unpleasant feelings or "bad" feelings, and in most cases this state is not a state a living being would stay in if it has a choice to get rid of this state.
So if you torture someone, you set the one you tortue in a state of suffering. If he were able to stop you from torturing him, he would do it, unless he is a special kind of human being.

So the connection between suffering and feelings, is only that suffering is a special state of having one or more certain feelings and you can´t escape this state or change it on your own.

But suffering is always created, by human beings.

Conclusion you can´t say god is bad because he gave his creations the ability to feel and having bad feelings like fear, pain etc.
All you can try to say is, that god is bad, because he gave people the ability to inflict suffering to other human beings,
but there is still the problem, they are able to inflict happiness etc. too

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>>44671250
I wouldn't say a vampire is inherently evil, it's not her fault that vampires need to feed on blood etc

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>>44671262
Or you're just lying and desperately trying to damage control over getting triggered by a Christian thread that hurt your fee fees.

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>>44671267
>calling god evil means only, that according to the agreement of certain communities or societies god is evil and this means nothing if god is omniscient...
And an omnicient god gets to decide what is good and evil because... it said so? Sounds like bullshit an evil dictator would say.
>On the other hand if good and evil are universal terms, we can´t know what good and evil is, unless someone can proof that we have a kind of "insight" to know what really is good and what really is evil
You could say the same about any other word, language doesn't require some divine insight for words to have meanings.
>Feelings have a function, without feelings, there would be no human being on earth, because we were all dead.
>To be able to feel many, many different kinds of pain is something that let us survive. You know, you feel heat, it starts to lightly burn, you feel more heat, the pain increases, and now your reaction is, you draw back your hand from the fire.
This argument is absurd because if God was truley omnipotent it could simply create a world in which those feelings were not necessary for survival.

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>>44671272
Vlad Tepes is her hero, and she controls people's fates to cause them misfortune. How fuckin new are you?

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>>44671310
>Vlad Tepes is her hero
Vampire has a vampire as a hero, wow. It's not like she's worshipping someone who hates her guts.
>she controls people's fates to cause them misfortune
I played through 1-9 (not that the PC-98 games are relevant) as well as a handful of Scarlet Devil spinoffs, and I don't remember that at all. Maybe it was too long ago.
I guess I should have been more clear, that nobody but Cirno would be stupid enough to worship an evil god that hates them. It's not like Remilia hates Sakuya, for example (and calling that worship in this context is a stretch anyways).

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>>44671310
>Vlad Tepes is her hero.
Literally the Christian Vampire, Pen pal of Pope Pius II, Rumored to had been converted to Catholicism from Orthodoxy so he can Crusade the turks, the only one who heeding Pope Pius II’s crusader call, Commissioned many churches and Folk Hero of Romania.
>she controls people's fates to cause them misfortune.
Fate manipulation is an oxymoron, and flan herself laughs at the notion. Remi is at best a Prima-Donna and a Faulty Diplomat at worst.

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>>44671299
>And an omnicient god gets to decide what is good and evil because... it said so?
I mean if he's the guy who fuckin made everything including the natural law, then yeah.

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>>44671299
>And an omnicient god gets to decide what is good and evil because... it said so? Sounds like bullshit an evil dictator would say.
Who are you to say otherwise do you know what true good and evil are?
Sounds like your feelings not logic is driving your argument.
>You could say the same about any other word, language doesn't require some divine insight for words to have meanings.
Can you prove otherwise?
>This argument is absurd because if God was truley omnipotent it could simply create a world in which those feelings were not necessary for survival.
Then there wouldn't be humans but robots. this is a very weak statement, because societies and communities are more or less dynamic and so what is good and evil is not the same for all societies/communities
and perhaps for the one god is evil and for another he is good. Even if you say, all humans will call the same actions as good or bad,
we can´t say this about all communities in the universe, because we don´t know them, what kind of beings they are.
And then there is still the problem, that we are not omniscient, and we can´t be sure that there is no universal good and evil (and you know, universal includes the whole universe because god created it) and what is really good and evil.

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>>44671354
>to worship an evil god that hates them
The Catholic Church teaches that God became man so that men could become God. You have no fuckin clue what you're talking about. Were you raised Catholic?

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>>44671354
>Vampire has a vampire as a hero
Vlad was very religious and even asked to be buried in a monastery.

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>>44671483
He's just pulling shit out his ass and throwing a temper tantrum.

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>>44671492
Yes, but we are talking about Vlad the vampire, not Vlad the defender of the Orthodox church and Wallachia.
They are two different people, just like Miko being a superhuman female Taoist, and a devote Buddhist practicing prince who didn't turn into some clay zombie thing.

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>>44671354
>It's not like Remilia hates Sakuya, for example (and calling that worship in this context is a stretch anyways).
You must've misunderstood me. I wasn't calling Remilia an deity, I was implying that someone like Rem would have no quandaries with worshipping an immoral deity.

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>>44671572
Yeah but Vlad the vampire is based on Vlad the Impaler. The point is that someone who'd have such a brutal figure for hero is likely a person who wouldn't be all that concerned with morality.

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>>44671245
>>creates humans to be his slaves
>>gives them free will and then punishes them if they ever dare to use it, just for the lulz
>>trolls them constantly in other ways to "test their faith"
>>murders innocent children to punish their parents or leaders
>>the constant "genocide of the inferior" thing in general
Two things:
1. Holy based
2. I refuse to believe that Rem wouldn't endorse any single one of these points.

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>>44671672
>brutal figure for hero is likely a person
Considering the Ottomans kept raiding them and burning the countryside, demanding tribute and carrying off slaves would see someone who stands up to them as a hero.

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>>44671801
Don't get me wrong. I love Vlad the Impaler, but I'm a moral relativist. That's why I don't hold God accountable for his alleged "misdeeds".
t. Remilia Scarlet

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>>44671901
>That's why I don't hold God accountable for his alleged "misdeeds"
Inb4 "I also don't God accountable, because he is not le real".

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Am I still catholic if I don't recognize the Pope's authority, believe confession should be public and the dumb privacy box abolished, and that purgatory is a bad joke?
Also are Yokai actually devils? Satan and his cohort do strictly evil actions, but Yokai, while capable of extremely evil acts, don't seem to be on the same level.

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>>44671423
>Who are you to say otherwise do you know what true good and evil are?
Maybe I'm completely forgetting about somethings written afterwards, but wasn't that whole point with the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
>Then there wouldn't be humans but robots
Might I ask you about your idea of heaven, then?

>>44665318
I think Marisa would fit more Gnosticism, she feels like someone who would try to outsmart the moral rules of religion.
>That so? Maybe I should pack a spare tongue
>in case of my death, then?
Quoting Marisa after Eiki tells her to stop lying or she'll rip her tongue.
But I guess you get those "outsmarting morals" everywhere like with the taoist things of not sleeping the day the three worms tell heaven about your deeds.

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>>44672073
Sounds more like the Orthodox Church or the Assyrian Church of the East. Eastern Christians will also practice a form of general confession, (or manifest contrition), referred to as the rite of "Mutual Forgiveness". The rite involves an exchange between the priest and the congregation

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>>44638569
Just say irreligious you N5 retard.

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>>44672157
>Maybe I'm completely forgetting about somethings written afterwards, but wasn't that whole point with the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
Are you all knowing and omniscient?
It's why there are so many diffrent philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movements.
Might I ask you about your idea of heaven, then?
Heaven has different levels (John 14:2), the lowest of which is paradise.
Heaven is part and parcel of deification, the eternal sharing of the divine qualities through communion with the Triune God.

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>>44672157
>Gnosticism
That's just early Christanity mixed with Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and Arabian folk religions.
Many Gnostic texts deal not in concepts of sin and repentance, but with illusion and enlightenment.

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>>44671272
>I wouldn't say a vampire is inherently evil
They have to murder to exist.

>>44672073
I think some of the demons in the Ars Goetica are actually pretty chill.

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>>44672073
Orthodox didn't have purgatory nor recognize the popes authority and don't have the privacy box iirc.
So maybe if it isn't entirely your thing, Catholics may think of you as Orthodox.

>Yokai actually devils?
I mean you have Makai and devils, even if Makai doesn't seem to have much presence, but it seems more "western" you even have the fallen angel Sariel.
Sakuya in PCB said though that Makai is scarier than Hell which I guess could be true considering that Buddhist hell is temporarily. Or maybe ZUN didn't even think of Makai as an afterlife realm and just took some things from megaten.
Oni could be demons and are also supposed to torture the souls in hell, so maybe those count?
As for other youkai they seem to be born from fear and superstition of humans in other words made by humans.
I guess they could be devils depending on who you ask tho.

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>>44672233
>They have to murder to exist.
Don't most predatory creatures have to murder to exist?
House cats kill for fun.

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>>44672237
>Oni could be demons and are also supposed to torture the souls in hell
This is what I find strange about Buddhism if reality is an illusion and the self and soul don't exist how can there be a hell?

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>>44672233
>They have to murder to exist.
Buddhism agrees, everyone to naraka for killing an ant!
>>44672272
>This is what I find strange about Buddhism if reality is an illusion and the self and soul don't exist how can there be a hell?
>soul doesn't exist
>Buddhism
I'm not well versed in the sutras but this is the first time I hear about this

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>>44672299
Buddhism, from its earliest days, has denied the existence of the "self, soul" in its core philosophical and ontological texts. In its soteriological themes, Buddhism has defined nirvana as that blissful state when a person, amongst other things, realizes that he or she has no self, no soul.
It's when you realize you don't exist and that you(self) and reality are just an illusion.

The term anattā or anātman refers to the doctrine of "non-self", that there is no unchanging, permanent self, soul or essence in living beings.

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>>44672299
>Buddhism agrees, everyone to naraka for killing an ant!
Isn't that actually how Buddhism feels about murder of animals?

>>44672245
Sure, but killing a human is different from killing random vermin. Especially when humans, and vampires, have the possibility of self termination as a alternative. Die a peaceful death through starvation rather than unnaturally prolonging your life.

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>>44644102
Oy vey! Anti-semitism!

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>>44672347
>Sure, but killing a human is different from killing random vermin.
Very true it should be noted that vampires aren't alive but reanimated corpses(undead).
Since they're already dead they shouldn't need to eat or drink. They suck blood to feel the warmth of life again.

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>>44672206
>Are you all knowing and omniscient?
No, I asked because I thought I missed something considering genesis 3:22
>And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
This is what has been bothering me with your discussion... My memory is pretty bad so I thought you might know better when they mentioned the difference between good and bad in the bible from human and universal perspectives
>Heaven is part and parcel of deification, the eternal sharing of the divine qualities through communion with the Triune God.
Is that then much different from what that anon talked about?
> a world in which those feelings were not necessary for survival.

>>44672228
>Many Gnostic texts deal not in concepts of sin and repentance, but with illusion and enlightenment.
That's exactly why I think that Marisa fits in that, she would rather try to "outsmart the system" than being a good person.
Didn't knew it was a mix of so many things tho, but I guess stuff tends to mix.

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>Arguing about religion
Yeah yeah, I want to marry and impregnate Remilia.

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>>44672384
Dead womb.

>>44672361
I should also add that vampires in Touhou don't need to kill people. Remilia is noted for having most of her victims survive.

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>>44672388
Not with that attitude

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>>44672368
>No, I asked because I thought I missed something considering genesis 3:22
It says Adam and Eve learned of good and evil to be like gods.
So maybe they sort of understood true good and evil since they are directly from the tree of knowledge.
>This is what has been bothering me with your discussion... My memory is pretty bad so I thought you might know better when they mentioned the difference between good and bad in the bible from human and universal perspectives
To be like gods isn't the same as being a God. It means humans understood concepts like nakedness and murder things that other creatures can't comprehend.
>Is that then much different from what that anon talked about?
Which anon? Many anons are discussing many topics.

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>>44672314
To further elaborate
Nirvana is not about preservation and understanding.
Enlightenment (or, the state of being fully awake) is defined as having a completely empty head, your mind being an endless void.

A person who has attained the goal Nibbana is thus indescribable because they have abandoned all things by which they could be described". The Suttas themselves describe the liberated mind as 'untraceable' or as 'consciousness without feature', making no distinction between the mind of a liberated being that is alive and the mind of one that is no longer alive.
Enlightenment is a destructive process. It
has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the
crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing
through the facade of pretence. It's the
complete eradication of everything we
imagined to be true.
Achieving the state Enlightenment causes the individual to quite literally lose any sense of self, it's hard to even call someone who has become Enlightened an actual individual.

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>>44672314
I would doubt a bit then on that "soul" being the same concept as soul in the west.
But If I take your world I guess nothing could "be real" which would made the division of real and unreal pointless.
I thought you where supposed to escape samsara and for that you would need a soul.
>anattā
I thought that was more about not hoarding things, more of a "not mine" than "not me".
Problem is that I'll have to dig in more to know for sure how much stuff might be mistranslated, sometimes even on purpose since some buddhist sects seem a bit shady.

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>>44672413
>Problem is that I'll have to dig in more to know for sure how much stuff might be mistranslated, sometimes even on purpose since some buddhist sects seem a bit shady.
Buddhism is a fairly low energy religion. The great spiritual truth of Buddhism is non-self, inaction, the middle path, and that's pretty neato until it isn't anymore. Myanmar has the radical conclusion of this where a decent chunk of the population is composed of monks & priests effectively doing nothing while being supported by those unordained individuals who do work... Creating a kind of awkward situation where anyone doing anything of material value is effectively compromising their spirituality.
Buddhism casts shade on farmers, merchants, tradespeople, etc. It doesn't say these people will go to hell, but it does spend enough time saying they're wasting their lives and if they were "really" good they'd stop all that nonsense. Buddhism in other parts of Asia have specifically made efforts to doctor that out as much as possible by assimilating folk gods WITH JOBS.

Most of Asia adopted Mahayana Buddhism and its various branches which doesn't forbid having jobs or privilege monks unlike Theravada.

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>>44672393
But isn't that the original sin? Or do you believe that the knowledge faded but the sin stayed?
>It means humans understood concepts like nakedness and murder things that other creatures can't comprehend.
Isn't that understanding of good and evil? Another distinction between man and beast.
>Which anon? Many anons are discussing many topics.
Forgot to put the post with the quote.
>>44671299
> a world in which those feelings were not necessary for survival.

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>>44672193
Though that would better suit her actual stance, irreligious already has a Japanese word, "mushukyo", and that wasn't the term being used for her boke side of the joke, nigger.

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>>44672464
You can always just say 'I'm not religious' you fucking tool.

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>>44672464
Another thing as well is you fell into the trap of thinking each word can only be used for a specific phrasing.

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>>44672439
NEETs are priests... woah.
I really thought that buddhism was more... humble? And that eventually everyone could escape samsara.
And that they just became a big organization that just lived of others and stuff. Although I think Theravada predates Mahayama, but with this sort of things you never know when people just make shit up.

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>>44672456
>But isn't that the original sin? Or do you believe that the knowledge faded but the sin stayed?
The concept of original sin was destroyed by Lord Jesus on the Cross
Humanity was given a new slate.
Isn't that understanding of good and evil? Another distinction between man and beast.
Yes, but it should be noted not every human has the same concept of good and evil. Example would be leftists and Conservstives.
> a world in which those feelings were not necessary for survival.
There would be feelings but no negative feelings after Ascension and the process of Sanctification or Deification is the means to the ultimate goal of union with God.

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>>44672499
Theravada is the original Buddhism that came out of India and what Buddha taught.
Often referred to as the 'traditions of the elders'. Many Theravada Buddhists follow the teachings of the Buddha exactly.

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>>44635875
Ask the Pope.

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>>44683954
Pope would be cool with it, he was the one that told the Spanish to fuck an entire hemisphere to spread the word of God

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>>44670529
>Haha Western VampireLoliCunny
Yeah thats one character (two if you add in her sister) amongs literal hundreds who arent.
>Greek Godess is the strongest and top dog in Mahayana Hell and her Sex Lampade In thight American onepiece Dabbin on Cultural Sino-Japs Lunarians
Reimu the Shintoist BTFOs Hecatia. And Clownpiece and the Americans are severely outmatched by the Shinto-jap Lunarians (who also stated to be the strongest before Hecatia). Idk why people think that planting a flag and running away or dressing up like a retard somehow constitutes a victory. Also your use of the words ''dabbin'' makes me wonder how old you are.

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>>44694535
How did two astronauts almost destroy the entire lunar army?

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>>44694535
Fairies are Western in origin and they're everywhere in Gensokyo. Yukari freaked out when some western dandelions got into Gensokyo and called them devilish because it would make the fairies stronger.
Even Reimu said traditional Japanese youkai like rokurokubi and yamabiko are going extinct even in Gensokyo.

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>>44694535
>Reimu the Shintoist BTFOs Hecatia
While she can use all three of her bodies at once, she doesn't during her fights with the protagonists because that would just make the battle boring. According to ZUN she's also far more powerful than anyone in Gensokyo or the Lunar Capital, and was just playing around with Reimu and company.
>And Clownpiece and the Americans are severely outmatched by the Shinto-jap Lunarians
Anon, the ubercharged Faries were literally Marauding unchecked in the lunar capital.

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>>44696897
The uncanny rates at which western dandelions propagate is likely do to the mutations caused by certain herbicides. It only makes them stronger each time they grow back, almost like a super virus.
Maybe Yukari's actually scared because the fairies are mutating into some sort of GMO abomination due to the influence of the imported flowers?

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>>44696162
Thats the neat part, they didnt. They werent even armed, how would they have done it? And they were injured themselves and their equipment damaged or destroyed. It was a terrible defeat for the humans. With all that in mind its likely that the original rabbit soldiers just retired or were sent off to do some other job.
>>44696897
Fairies or Yōsei just as easily refers to native creatures from Japanese folklore. Also lol at ''yukari freaking out'' she isnt freaking out for shit. Even in that picture you linked. She's pretty calm in fact. I think a lot of these misconceptions come from shitty lazy translations and confusion that use western words to make it easier for westerners to understand. Like using ''devil'' instead of ''akuma'' to describe an evil spirit in the folklore. Which was then later used to describe Satan. You may as well assert that Tenshi is a biblically (in)accurate angel because she comes from heaven. Its absurd.
>>44697042
She lost. And three bodies basically equate to three extra people, so Reimu can just bring in her more powerful friends. Inb4 she loses yet again but was just ''playing around''. And again, moonies were said to be the strongest before her. If you pay attention you'll know that not everything ZUN says can be taken at face value. He forgets a lot or makes random retcons that dont make all that much sense.

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>>44697963
If they didn't how did so many lunar rabbits die?
Also In Phantasmagoria of Flower View, during Reisen's route, Eiki lecture her about the large sin she bears, namely "You abandoned your allies, letting them die, while you're the only one here living happily. [...] For that sake, you'll be judged here! With your allies you left on the moon and their resentment!"

That seems to imply one of two things:
1) Fighting did take place, and Reisen deserted and abandoned her allies letting them die, which is what Eiki sees and lectures her about.
2) Fighting didn't take place, Reisen deserted and is convinced she left her allies to die, which leads Eiki to think that she did leave allies behind; but it's not actually the case.
There's pretty strong evidence that no fighting or direct conflict ever took place, and no evidence of the Earth even acknowledging that the Far Side of the Moon existed at all. The setup is that the Moon thinks that the only reason the Earth would ever want to explore space or the Moon would be to claim the Moon as their own, i.e. an affront to them. Under this self-centered mindset, they perceive the lunar expeditions and planting the flag as an attempt to claim territory and an active act of aggression towards the Lunar Capital, when really there was no such thing.
Not one astronaut was killed during the moon landings.

As for the "Yōsei" just as easily refers to native creatures from Japanese folklore. They are not as they almost all wear western dresses and have western names.
>She isnt freaking out for shit. Even in that picture you linked. She's pretty calm
Then why did she enact a plan for the residents of Gensokyo to eat them?
>Like using ''devil'' instead of ''akuma'' to describe an evil spirit in the folklore. Which was then later used to describe Satan. You may as well assert that Tenshi is a biblically (in)accurate angel because she comes from heaven. Its absurd.
Youre jumping to conclusions after you made that same mistake for fairies and yōsei. By your own logic if they were Japanese native creatures they would be called the native yōsei instead of the Western Fairy.
You lack self awareness.

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>>44698036
To further drive this point zashiki warashi are yōsei but they are not fairies.

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>>44697963
>not everything ZUN says can be taken at face value.
Yes, Until he present/Introduce something on the contrary to make the retcon, in the mean time, "completely past the level of anyone in Gensokyo or the Lunar Capital." is word of God.

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>>44635875
>being unequally yoked
ISHYGDTT

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>>44698036
Vampires are called blood sucking onis and onis are called goblins.
When translated.
But vampires aren't oni and oni aren't goblins.

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>>44697963
Vampires are called blood sucking onis and onis are called goblins when translated.
But vampires aren't oni and oni aren't goblins.

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>>44636027
Satorin

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>>44707121
Thanks for the bump sister!

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>>44707121
Glad to see the thread upset you so much you had to open your soijak folder.

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>>44707270
Happy to help, sistah.

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Why does Christanity make degenerates, edgy retards and atheists seethe so much?