Will Hatsunr Miku and Vocaloid in general ever comeback to mainstream again, or will it wither and die?

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Anonymous Fri Sep 8 09:30:46 2023 No.44559238 [Reply] [Original]

Will Hatsunr Miku and Vocaloid in general ever comeback to mainstream again, or will it wither and die?

Anonymous Fri Sep 8 12:36:40 2023 No.44560777

As long as there is an appreciable skill in personally tuning vocoders compared to human vocalists or AI vocalists, the concept of Vocaloid will carry on in some form.
The particular trademark and characters are inherently secondary to that, however, and it shows in how much of Vocaloid's character is a reflection of those who used that vocoding in a song.

Anonymous Fri Sep 8 22:21:13 2023 No.44565030
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This is from 5 months ago. Just search for vocaloid on youtube and there's gonna be lots of recent songs with millions of views...
I understand it's not 2007, but Vocaloid is far from dying. I don't get the obsession with calling things 'dead' anyway, isn't this board about niche stuff?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 9 02:18:09 2023 No.44566356 >>44559238 Vocaloid is arguably more popular than ever before. Why does /jp/ always get the notion that it isn't the case?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 9 04:42:39 2023 No.44566994 it's actually getting even more mainstream bc of project sekai and new jp producers! hatsune miku will NEVER die!!! yippeee

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 9 05:27:31 2023 No.44567130 >>44565030 this is a board about vtubers

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 9 06:14:10 2023 No.44567260 >>44559238 the last thing that we need is more mainstream attention

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 9 13:39:00 2023 No.44572839 >>44559238 Project sekai made it more mainstream than ever. There is more songs being made and more songs getting high view counts than ever before. Get with times grandpa, it's Vocaloid renaissance now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 9 14:43:39 2023 No.44573744 File: 166 KB, 560x373, 1671158471026992.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>44559238 you're retarded if you think vocaloid isn't "mainstream" right now. please get your head out your ass and focus on the real world rather than your nostalgia

Anonymous Sun Sep 10 02:28:10 2023 No.44580201
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Not gonna let this thread die, OP you need to be reminded of how ignorant of a take your thread is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 08:48:27 2023 No.44582183 File: 725 KB, 1051x1531, [DBR](5499457)[paya_(alunair)][vocaloid][hatsune_miku]heart_wand,mini_wings,waist_bow,striped_ribbon,blue_gemstone,halter_dress,white_rose,layered_dress,ribbon_choker.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 10:45:39 2023 No.44583117 >>44566356 Their brains are stuck in 2017

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 15:08:39 2023 No.44587557 CURRENT VOCALPID SONGS SUCK AND AIN'T WORTH SHIT ANY SONG MADE AFTER 2015 SUCKS.

Anonymous Sun Sep 10 15:21:55 2023 No.44587707

>>44566356
My guess is that it's because nobody knows about it in the west unlike before. And faggots only care about the ones with millions of views (even now there are enough of those, like anything by deco or pinochio), vocaloid has always been about the small producers either way.

Anonymous Sun Sep 10 16:48:49 2023 No.44588535

>>44565030
>I understand it's not 2007, but Vocaloid is far from dying. I don't get the obsession with calling things 'dead' anyway, isn't this board about niche stuff?
Anons can never find a reason for this because they'll end up grasping desperately to find a metric, without realizing that trying to grab those metrics and use it to define Vocaloid are what causes them to become retarded. If OP was dedicated enough to his craft of retardation, he'd start screaming about the Minecraft Miku memes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 16:57:50 2023 No.44588645 >>44588535 VOCALOID IS DEAD BECAUSE THE SONG THEY MAKE NOW ARE BAD.. 2007-2015 OR EVEN 2014 WAS THE GOOD ERA, WE NOW ONLY HAVE shit AND IT WILL NEVWR COME BACK

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 22:37:59 2023 No.44591550 File: 382 KB, 886x640, 1691922125494796.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>44588645 you have to be a nostalgiafag to unironically believe this. listen to better music and repent

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 01:53:56 2023 No.44592998 >>44588645 Vampire > Whatever shit slop you put on replay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 02:37:45 2023 No.44593204 >>44591550 IT IS TRUE. MIKU NT IS bad. VERY BAD. PRODUCERS THESE days CAN'T TUNE MIKU LIKE THEY DID IN 2012. AMATEURS. >>44592998 DROP A LINK faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 02:57:54 2023 No.44593307 >>44591550 this is my favourite song and this is how I listen to it https://web.archive.org/web/20100722033407/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rFBkHb8CL8

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 07:07:42 2023 No.44594878 >>44593204 Miku is not the only vocaloid Teto is a SynthV now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iXmmrKUdnc

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 07:10:40 2023 No.44594889 >>44593204 go back

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 07:27:05 2023 No.44594994 >>44559238 you can look at all the producers making songs with human vocalists now (yorushika, yoasobi as big examples) it's hard to say that music that come from vocaloid doesn't have an impact on the japanese music scene, maybe now more than ever

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 07:28:06 2023 No.44595004

>>44592998
Current Deco*27 is the definition of slop. He has been mass producing same creatively bankrupt songs that appeal to the lowest common denominator.
At least pick PinnochioP if you want to brag about listening to the modern mainstream vocaloid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 08:42:12 2023 No.44595466 >>44595004 Stop being such a faggot hipster. What Deco makes is what the kids call "banger."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 08:50:34 2023 No.44595500 >>44588535 >Minecraft Miku memes. Thankfully we didn't see those in years

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 08:51:36 2023 No.44595503 >>44559238 Vocaloid being more popular in Japan is a good thing. I hope it will keep dying down in the West though

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 09:24:46 2023 No.44595679 >>44595004 Deco, ayase, all the popular producers today are megaslop

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:49:35 2023 No.44596298

>>44595466
>Stop being such a faggot hipster
Where do you think you are?

>What Deco makes is what the kids call "banger."
Same applies to anything popular in mainstream, that's literally how things become mainstream. At least have some standards if you are going to brag about liking the most popular things.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:52:19 2023 No.44596325

>>44596298
>Where do you think you are?
A place where anything goes, mainstream or not. Deal with it.

>Same applies to anything popular in mainstream, that's literally how things become mainstream. At least have some standards if you are going to brag about liking the most popular things.
What I like > What you like. Simple as.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:00:41 2023 No.44596397 >>44596325 Oh, you not only have no taste but also no reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:02:30 2023 No.44596413 >>44596397 You're so hung up over what you expect of other people. Get over it, authoritarian.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:09:32 2023 No.44596481

>>44596413
>You're so hung up over what you expect of other people. Get over it, authoritarian.
You not only have no taste and no reading comprehension, but also no self awareness...

This entire discussion started because you or someone else in >>44592998 criticized others for listening to whatever they like instead of Deco*27. I just made fun of the guy who called others' music slop while listening to most sloppy vocaloid music out there.
I do not care what others like, I like Deco*27 too(not as much his modern stuff but some are fine) and also wide range of other popular and obscure producers. Reread this conversation because you seem to lose track of what you are even talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:22:22 2023 No.44596626 >>44596481 >Excuses Lame

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:23:45 2023 No.44596646 Most modern vocaloid (jpop) songs are bad because the genre has moved away from melodic tunes towards more minimal and electronic builds. And this is a bad thing. Watch this https://youtu.be/zjlK3IwHgWM

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:02:05 2023 No.44597695 File: 451 KB, 1158x716, 1678801992437141.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>44593204 miku NT IS bad but most producers just stick with her older voicebanks lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:02:39 2023 No.44599922 >>44597695 then they tune her voice TERRIBLY. to the point many old V2 songs sound better, more natural and clear

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:14:11 2023 No.44600790 >>44596646 i feel like the majority of songs made are still j-pop/pop rock, even if the most popular songs are more electronic

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 19:07:58 2023 No.44613591 >>44600790 some small producers are nice. I follow some gumi ones that are very nice

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 02:54:52 2023 No.44616698 >>44559238 New vocaloid music just sucks now. Talented producers like kz just moved to greener pasture https://youtu.be/243vPl8HdVk?si=DNQQJj0zu8tf63Kk

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 02:59:12 2023 No.44616723 >>44616698 Still banger after all those years https://youtu.be/eXaVzZlkQ9c?si=YQDDuE3jzUklYUwM

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 03:04:17 2023 No.44616740 >>44559238 Soul https://youtu.be/8BULwVkdoOI?si=i5hPqQTE1Ti1kT8c

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 06:07:21 2023 No.44617691 >>44613591 any producers you recommend? don't really follow any specific producers these days

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 06:28:44 2023 No.44617811 >>44616698 yeah... :(

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 07:56:33 2023 No.44618260 File: 2.00 MB, 856x1250, 1672133037939195.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>44559238 >>44565030 Miku is dead. Loliloids are the future.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 09:12:29 2023 No.44618643 >>44616698 There are new talented producers that entered the scene. You just do not bother to look for them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 09:13:36 2023 No.44618648 >>44618643 example ?

Anonymous Wed Sep 13 09:22:52 2023 No.44618694

>>44618648
https://www.youtube.com/@r-906
https://www.youtube.com/@Mellowcle
https://www.youtube.com/@NegiShowerP
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmNqrPSZg13AUyxsrY7iylg
https://www.youtube.com/@tokagestudio
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmJ4De_H9aSnDDxGKcrpwCw

Just to name a few. Of course whenever you will like them heavily depends on your personal preferences, as Vocaloid music is more diverse than ever. That's why it's important to just look out for new producers yourself. If you do not do so and the producers you've listened to 10 years ago slowly retire it's very easy to get wrong impression that there is no more good music being made.

Anonymous Wed Sep 13 11:02:57 2023 No.44620377 [DELETED]

>>44618694
You're right, people seem to forget that famous producers became so because they made songs that were either really good, really funny, or really unique... usually around if not over a decade ago. They've only got so much in the bank so to speak, so anons screaming about how they're all turning to shit now/recently is retarded to me. GigaP might be creatively bankrupt, but the dude also had a pretty good run of [insert number of years that (you) agree with]. He did his work and now there's plenty of other producers and voicebanks to pick up the slack. Anon's just don't want to look because, and I say this with only the most bitter of spite:

They're normalfags. 100% the same as people complaining about the yearly Call of Duty being dooty.

I'm serious. Not a damn thing in this world is more normalfag than going "I will only engage with this piece of media because it's the one I know, and when they suck I won't search for other options and instead complain because I'm mindless and have forgotten how I found out about said media in the first place". It's disgusting.

Anonymous Wed Sep 13 11:04:08 2023 No.44620404

>>44618694
You're right, people seem to forget that famous producers became so because they made songs that were either really good, really funny, or really unique... usually around if not over a decade ago. They've only got so much in the bank so to speak, so anons screaming about how they're all turning to shit now/recently is retarded to me. GigaP might be creatively bankrupt, but the dude also had a pretty good run of [insert number of years that (you) agree with]. He did his work and now there's plenty of other producers and voicebanks to pick up the slack. Anon's just don't want to look because, and I say this with only the most bitter of spite:

They're normalfags. 100% the same as people complaining about the yearly Call of Duty being dooty.

I'm serious. Not a damn thing in this world is more normalfag than going "I will only engage with this piece of media because it's the one I know, and when they suck I won't search for other options and instead complain that 'Its dead! Its dead!' because I'm mindless and have forgotten how I found out about said media in the first place". It's disgusting.

Anonymous Wed Sep 13 11:39:10 2023 No.44620860
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>>44620404
I wouldn't call them normalfag, just confused and wrong. I was the same ~5 years ago. I had more difficult period in life and didn't really had much energy to look for new music. The idea of browsing through new stuff that probably won't live up to what I already know just to find that one or two gems was overbearing to me. I was disappointed with the old producers not making as much new stuff and not being as fresh as they used to be, and projected that onto whole scene as I knew no better.
But then I slowly started to give a listen to random new songs from new producers that get posted on vocaloid general and on main Miku channel, and then in recommendations and I realized there is still plenty of good music being made. I still love old songs, but few newer ones joined my top favs as well and I'm glad I spent some time to broaden my horizons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 13:48:10 2023 No.44622126 >>44617691 not really, just specific ransom songs from random small producers. worded my thoughts wrongly, sorry. What I do is search vocaloid 6 gumi or gumi v6 on youtube and crawl though the results.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 13:53:31 2023 No.44622170 >>44622126 random*

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 14:17:39 2023 No.44622418 >>44617691 https://youtube.com/@Kael_Home

Anonymous Wed Sep 13 14:53:57 2023 No.44622751
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>>44618694
Most of them just sounds samey of some kind jpop or rock and uninspiring. The tuning is worst of it, the voice has that weird high pitch drag that is unnatural and unpleasant to hear. Not like i like all vocaloid from back then either and those kind of songs also exist back then that's gravitated to few producers of my liking and occasionally some nice songs by others like this.
https://youtu.be/sSYoz0JmnZo?si=ynOF656t0mpyLVra
The song sound robotic and yet still pleasant to hear, and the instrumental actually sounds nice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 14:55:09 2023 No.44622768 >>44622751 >the voice sound robotic...

Anonymous Wed Sep 13 15:08:03 2023 No.44622908
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>>44622751
>post very high pitch, jpop-y song
>wah there is no more music like this
>got recommended more music like this
>wah, why is it so high pitched and jpop-y

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 15:10:27 2023 No.44622926 File: 70 KB, 735x905, bdf6fbc5b80fc4dff1d2a7a8277523cb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>44622908 You must be deaf if you can't tell there is difference between this and most of the vocaloid song by others.

Anonymous Wed Sep 13 15:25:01 2023 No.44623056

>>44622926
And you must suffer from heavy confirmation bias if you believe this. You complain about songs being jpop while posting Redial, which is as jpop as it gets.
Hell, even the first producer on my list, r-906 is neither jpop nor rock. If anything, he is the most "inspiring" on the list.
The second, Mellowcle, one has one of the most smooth and characteristic tuning you can find.
Your response was very vague anyway and basically boils down to "I just don't like it". I'm pretty confident you didn't even bothered to actually check them out.

>difference between this and most of the vocaloid song by others.
The difference is your nostalgia googles making you disregard anything that your baby duck teen self didn't grew up listening to.

Anonymous Wed Sep 13 15:31:37 2023 No.44623116

>>44623056
I said most, not all. I admit Mellowcle, Capchii has nice voice tuning compare to others in your list. But I also said that even back then I don't like most vocaloid songs due that same issue of weird voice pitch and overall bland instrumental.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 15:36:09 2023 No.44623146 >>44623056 But it can also be boil down to preference when it come to music anyway, as it has always been. And vocaloid has changed in a way that's out of of my liking.

Anonymous Wed Sep 13 15:38:48 2023 No.44623166

>>44623116
There are songs there that aren't "some kind jpop or rock and uninspiring".
There are songs there that have smooth and interesting tuning.
You even admit that you do not like most Vocaloid songs and things that are fundamental to it like the robotic voices.

Your entire argument has no substance. At this point you are just whining for the sake of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 15:39:30 2023 No.44623170 anons recommend me the best ones of vocaloid music, new/old doesn't matter

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 15:44:14 2023 No.44623214 >>44623170 https://youtu.be/5Tacl80JQ8Q

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 16:11:35 2023 No.44623398 >>44623170 https://youtu.be/yL9G88wXZIM

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 14 05:32:20 2023 No.44628834 >>44623170 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySerm68hC1A

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 14 07:36:44 2023 No.44629475 >>44623170 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Xyh3yhCMI&pp=ygURcmVzZXQgYnV0dG9uIGd1bWk%3D

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 14 17:05:07 2023 No.44634184 File: 37 KB, 300x303, Supercell_album_cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>44623170 an elegant song from a more civilized age https://youtu.be/JjRIjbySbfc

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 04:22:58 2023 No.44639226 >>44623170 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1yVfuEpqzg

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