Am I just a schizo blinded by nostalgia or did pre-TD Touhou use to have more soulful dialogues too?

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I remember them being funnier and more iconic, with the 2hus constantly taking jabs at each other with witty and clever comebacks (picrel), but since TD, i feel like it's mostly shonen protagonists and villains saying shit like
>"Mwahaha! So you've come, hero! [explains why she's caused an incident] Now, you'll die thanks to the Cucksocking Magic i've acquired!"
>"Stop doing bad things, villain! I will defeat you and your Cucksocking Magic!'

Did ZUN also lose his touch when it comes to dialogues or is it just my old retard ass? If it's the latter, feel free to point it out and provide examples.

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its hard to say really, DDC has good dialogue specially Kagerou vs Sakuya, I honest to god cant remenber much from other games.

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>>44321121
not really, it's mostly just eosd compensating their western theme with nips idiom, wordplay, and pun

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>>44321162
pcb and in (to name a few) had great dialogues too, though

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>Am I just a schizo blinded by nostalgia
Yes. A game just released chock full of soulful lines.

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>>44321309
Why do you suck ZUN's cock like this anon?

Just admit that they are bad, anon. Nobody is pressuring you to tell lies here

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>>44321321
Why are you so desperate to hate the dialogue of a game you haven't played?

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why are you posting the english dialogues

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>>44321522
ZUN would NEVER do this in a game nowadays

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>>44321522
this one was the english translation taking liberties
it didn't say that in japanese and the current translations are more accurate

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>>44321527
I know but it's still funny

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>>44321527
and more boring, consequently

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>>44321531
yeah, but it's not exactly good for your argument if you're not even using the actual dialogue to say that the old games were better, since you're saying it's on ZUN that they're weaker
he still writes the characters talking shit to each other

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>>44321544
Im not the OP

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>>44321544
That only proves OP's point, that's lazy as hell and not funny.

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>>44321544
The translation quality also has changed over the years, and there's still problems with fitting text to this day requiring changes. A lot of "the dialogue ZUN wrote" isn't actually a translation of the dialogue ZUN wrote.

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>>44321484
Why are you asking this as if the screenshots preceding your post featured unfaithful translations? Weeaboo idiot.

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>>44321610
Because translators either push their left winging ideals, or they are retarded and always think the dialogue has multiple meanings. Zun hiring people to officially translate the game is not a bad idea.

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>>44321669
Is >>44321522 the left wing ideals you're so afraid of?

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>>44321121
you really can't top sakuya telling chen to go get put to sleep at an animal shelter.

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>>44321684
Although the new game does have some good Chen content.

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>>44321675
No those are the good translators.

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>>44321684
Or Letty freaking out at Sakuya lol, man I need to replay PCB

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>>44321693
So you like it when the dialogue is changed for the English version?

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>>44321708
I like it when its not boring or ass and it actually reflects the series, dont care if this isnt 100% accurate its still kino, cry me a river canon fags but Touhou is a doujin series, big suprise.

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>>44321692
it was very cute watching ran thank orin for always playing with chen, and orin laughing about teaching chen to find corpses. it's nice to see the cats get along.

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>>44321733
What is being reflected when a translator makes Alice say bitch?

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I think you're a schizo. The dialogue being more whacky is a quirk of old translators being the same as old whacky fansubbers.
Also they still say retarded shit, like pic related

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>>44321771
You're right but that's also a mistranslation. It's actually a Mario 64 reference.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ジャイアントスイング

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>>44321771
>>44321782
I can't believe this is canon now. So long lady Yachie!

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>>44321121
I think you're a schizo because I have no idea who you're quoting

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>>44321815
*So long, gay tortoise

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>>44321883
Thank-a you so much for a to playing my game!

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>>44321733
>I like it when its not boring or ass and it actually reflects the series
What do you mean "reflects the series"? The line anon is quoting is funny specifically because it doesn't reflect shit, it's way out of character. You can like lines like that all you want but they're not good translations at all so don't claim they are just because you like them, especially because then that means you acknowledge the ones you don't like are in the exact same position as the ones you do like.

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>>44321815
Sanae watching DB and playing DQ is also canon

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>>44321121
The older games were more obscure with what they were talking about, using a lot of nip wordplay and such as >>44321162. Newer games are more direct with what's going on, but I do wish that text boxes returned; the speech bubbles from TD onwards don't leave as much room as text boxes, so conversations aren't as long as they were in, say, SA for example.

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>>44321769
Attitude, juxtaposition. The translation is right in spirit.

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>>44322453
>Attitude
How can you get "bitch get out of the way!" from 邪魔だ、そこをどけ！
Even Marisa follows up by saying it's a stupid idea to just try and blitz their way through and cause a meaningless fight.

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>>44321769
It makes the situation ludicrous

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>>44321121
ZUN is aging and alcohol is taking its toll on him

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>>44322590
shut up, stop trying to justify being a sad cunt.

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>>44322541
>"How can you get "bitch get out of the way!" from 邪魔だ、そこをどけ"
nta but you make it like the english translation largely differs from the original text when it's actually accurate, it's just that the "bitch" is a bit uncalled for; and yet, it makes the dialogue way more interesting

some of you also argue that alice wouldn't say "bitch" because it's out of character, but that's not even the point because she's speaking on behalf of marisa here, who on the other hand would ABSOLUTELY say "bitch"; it perfectly fits her attitude.

bottom of the line is, you would make an awful translator if you think everything should be translated literally. you shouldn't go too far from the original text, sure, but there's nothing wrong with giving more flavor to it like they did with the "bitch, get out of the way": the original meaning is still here, and once again, that's exactly the kind of shit talk marisa would do

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>>44322541
>He doesn't playfully insult his friends
It's fun

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>>44321121
When did ZUN get married? You can tell TD is the downfall when you realize everyone but Youmu has a copy paste character portrait

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>>44322669
No, Marisa would say, "Bitch get out of ze way"

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>>44321121
The old scanned portraits were so much better.
ZUN's art doesn't translate well to digital.

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>>44322669
>who on the other hand would ABSOLUTELY say "bitch
Actually go fuck yourself.

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>>44322923
Pretty sure that's digital.

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>>44322669
The argument isn't everything should be translated literally, it's that it's taking a statement and making it something it doesn't actually say. There's a difference between "get outta the way!" and "get outta the way, bitch!".

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>>44322882
his son is 9. so probably around 10 or so years.

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>>44321970
I thought I couldn't love Sanae even more

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>>44321527
this one is much better, the ''bitch'' one always felt out of character

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>>44323019
Second one is still more memetic and funny, Touhou characters fuck around and banter in their dialogue it really isnt that out of line.
do I really have to spell it out? Its never that serious when it comes to dialogue.

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>>44323478
>Second one is still more memetic and funny
see >>44321927

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>>44323798
Don't care.

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It's pretty funny to see people defending meme translations. I guess it's like people defending 4kids because it's all they know.

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>>44323821
>Niggers acting like Marisa calling Reimu a bitch wasnt a high ligth of the series
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffft you retards need some coochie pronto.

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>>44321309
But I can't read it

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>>44322925
is that all you wanted to say, or did you actually have something meaningful to add, you stupid cunt?

>>44323019
there practically isn't. both the original text and the translation are meant to sound harsh, with the translation just being more vulgar/rude. does the idea of swear words in your christian video game about magical girls shooting each other just makes you all lose your mind, or something?

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>>44324905
>the translation just being more vulgar/rude
If she swears, she swears
If she's not swears, she's not swears
Simple as

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>>44324905
>both the original text and the translation are meant to sound harsh
Yes, and there are different degrees of these things. If you see an anime girl rushing down on her bike screaming どけどけどけぇぇぇぇぇ！！！ it gives off a vastly different impression than 邪魔だどけぇぇぇぇぇぇ！！！ Marisa is headstrong and will blast past a buncha shit, and she'll even act cunty sometimes like any other protag, but that doesn't change the fact that the meaning of the line changes from the idea of her blasting past because she doesn't care versus blasting through because fuck 'em specifically. It's a very minor thing but it absolutely matters. We can have fun with the translation and to a degree I kind of fucking adore it, but it's incorrect no matter how much you wanna spin it. Not much else to say unless you're going to keep going down the angle you're already going down.

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>>44324947
Actually there is one more thing I have to say in that yeah, the onus is on Alice's impression of Marisa. Which you could argue about how it's worse than who Marisa actually is but that's got nothing to do with the lines given, much like this entire argument about the translation.

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>>44321121
90s/Early 00s ZUN was creating Touhou as small project for fun to sell on anime conventions. Nowadays that small project evolved into massive, profit-generating machine and ZUN is pushing it to feed his family.

Women and money ruins soul. Never get married.

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>>44324985
Maybe the sovl was the friends we made along the way

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>>44324985
The dude would come to comiket with hundreds and hundreds of CD's and leave with none, meanwhile most circles making doujins would be stupid to bring 200 books and most circles making doujin games would be fucking retarded to bring more than whatever they can fit in a cardboard box or two. He's reprinted games plenty of times and was still selling EoSD CD's until at least 10 years ago, and has put them on plenty of digital storefronts or physical storefronts over the years.

tl;dr He's been making bank since before you knew what an imageboard was.

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>>44321970
She truly stopped in the 2000's media knowledge, what a blessing

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>>44324985
You have no idea what you're talking about retard.

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>>44321121
It still seems pretty flippant but not as "insane/random" as often as before.

The main thing, the smugness and the dismissiveness, is a constant throughout the whole series.

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>>44324985
>Never get married

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>>44321560
then why do you play Touhou...

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>>44322669
>marisa here, who on the other hand would ABSOLUTELY say "bitch"; it perfectly fits her attitude.
No

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I'm pretty sure OP has no idea what he's talking about. WBaWC exists.

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>>44322669
Marisa is fun and lighthearted, not an asshole. Her style of speech is a little boyish, but that's about it. She's not even mean--like Reimu is the brutish, mean one and I wouldn't expect her to swear either (she's perfectly satisfied plainly telling people that she'll kill them dead instead)

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>>44328353
Eika is made for bullying