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Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:55:12 2010 No.4387552 [Reply] [Original]

According to Japan, EP3 > EP1 = EP4 > EP6 > EP2 = EP5.

How does that make you feel?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:55:12 2010 No.4387553 indifferent, really

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:57:12 2010 No.4387566 According to Japan, my opinions > there opinions > * >>>>>>>> shit = you're opinions

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:59:12 2010 No.4387572 Uh...you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:59:12 2010 No.4387573 >EP6 being better than anything No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:59:12 2010 No.4387574 >>4387552 EP1=EP2=EP3=EP4=EP5=EP6=EP7=EP8=Shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:59:12 2010 No.4387576 For me it's EP3 > EP5 > EP6 = EP4 > EP1 > EP2. Japan can suck a dick and post subsequent video footage on the internet for all I care.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:59:12 2010 No.4387580 >>4387572 Check the ratings on Erogamescape.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:01:12 2010 No.4387586 File: 43 KB, 436x572, 1261254297555.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387580 >Erogamescape >Erogame >Ero Related to Umineko how...?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:01:12 2010 No.4387588 >Erogamescape. Hahahaha.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:02:12 2010 No.4387592 True List: 1 > 5 > 3 > 2 > 6 > 4

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:04:12 2010 No.4387607 >Erogamescape wwwww

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:04:12 2010 No.4387609

>>4387573
Remember when everyone thought EP5 was shit? That Erika was just some stupid Mary Sue R07 threw in and all Dlanor was good for was more fanart because of her lack of pants?

And then we realized that we were really fucking wrong when the patch came out.

Same thing will happen for EP6. There's lots of badass scenes in it to love.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:07:12 2010 No.4387629 File: 8 KB, 300x300, 1261255276411.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I kind of miss when Beato was comatose and Battler was emo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:08:12 2010 No.4387634 >>4387609 I think most people said this shit after EP5 too.

>>	http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/3139374#p3139599 Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:09:12 2010 No.4387638 >>4387609 Don't remind me that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:11:12 2010 No.4387645 >>4387609 When you read Umineko for the 'badass', something has gone horribly wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:12:12 2010 No.4387646 >>4387609 Not to mention people thought that Battler became the villain and Erika was the new protag. I think there was even a rumor that Battler = Beatrice and he was the culprit all along.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:13:12 2010 No.4387653 >>4387645 Why? The excitement and complete over-the-topness is part of the whole Umineko package.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:14:12 2010 No.4387657 Why do any of you continue to read Umineko?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:14:12 2010 No.4387662 >>4387653 Stupid 'LARGE HAAAAAAM' scenes do not particularly excite me, especially in a setting they should not be in the first place. Being part of the package does not mean it;s good and you should look forward to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:15:12 2010 No.4387667 >>4387662 I think Umineko might not be the right series for you, bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:15:12 2010 No.4387670 >>4387657 I gave up in the middle of Episode 5. Dunno about the rest. No accounting for taste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:16:12 2010 No.4387675 >>4387638 Sigh. Anon was so young and naive then. ALSO HOLY FUCK http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/3139374#p3139707

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:17:12 2010 No.4387684

>>4387667
I read episode 1 and wanted to see more.
I read episode 2 and ever the ROSA MUSOU scene was not out of place and there was promise.
After that, it went to fucking hell. I have stopped reading it. It indeed became something I no longer cared for.
And i know 'OPINIONS LOL', but how people can keep being excited for this or seriously anticipating baffles me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:17:12 2010 No.4387690 >>4387670 I found Erika to make Umineko enjoyable for me once again. Haven't cared for the series since the first episode until she arrived.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:18:12 2010 No.4387693

>>4387657
Too emotionally invested at this point, I've read through over half the damn story already, it's too late to turn back now.

As for >>4387552, I actually find that to be a decent order. I'd replace the positions of EP5 and 6, but other than that, I'm liking the mysteryfagging the Japs seem to have.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:18:12 2010 No.4387698 >>4387675 >Anon was so young and naive then. It's not like Anon has gotten any better...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:19:12 2010 No.4387707 >>4387690 So, you actually like her? Fuck/

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:19:12 2010 No.4387709 >>4387698 Yeah, we're just slightly older and experienced. Cue the "eeeh? Maji? The pony theory? etc etc."

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:20:12 2010 No.4387712 File: 198 KB, 609x863, 224-3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387707 Most mysteryfags like Erika, because she is meant to represent them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:21:12 2010 No.4387718 >>4387709 The shitstorm over EP6 spoilers was pretty much exactly like the one over EP5 spoilers, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:21:12 2010 No.4387720 >>4387712 They are dying for representation so much, they take any shitty one? Desperation.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:23:12 2010 No.4387729

>>4387718
And the reception for EP6 will be the same as EP5. Inb4 it's Umineko so of course it's shit, generally it starts out with you thinking it's total fecal matter, and you end up FUCK YEARing and bawwwing and raging and before you know it, you're completely invested in it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:23:12 2010 No.4387732 File: 174 KB, 635x473, 1261945146828.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387720 Yeah, Erika is actually more or less there to make fun of the people who think like her, but no one cares.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:25:12 2010 No.4387739 File: 86 KB, 500x565, 238.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I stopped caring for a second there because FUCK YEAR NEW NURIE37.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:25:12 2010 No.4387742 >>4387729 I found it seriously hard to care for any events and characters by episode 4 myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:25:12 2010 No.4387743 ya makes sense, that's why EP5 has the most fanarts

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:27:12 2010 No.4387753 >>4387732 Yeah, I think Ryukishi wanted to mock people looking for mystery in Umineko, because that would imply it would be a well written story, but we just ended up liking our bitch detective, probably in spite of him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:27:12 2010 No.4387758 why do the gooks dislike ep5?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:28:12 2010 No.4387759 Erika dominated until the colored text power levels were too much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:28:12 2010 No.4387762 Who the fuck cry over Umineko? Playing Umineko is like going to Macdonald. It's good to go once in a while since it doesn't taste so bad but only retards go there every days and you have to be completely deluded to think it's good food. Same thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:29:12 2010 No.4387774 How strange. I'm finding EP3 brain-rottingly boring.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:30:12 2010 No.4387779 >>4387552 >episode 4 better than episode 5 HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:30:12 2010 No.4387780 >>4387753 But most mysteries AREN'T well-written stories, and that's kind of Ryukishi's point. He's saying there's a mystery to be solved, but story and characters have just as much as importance as the mystery and shouldn't be ignored in favor of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:30:12 2010 No.4387783 Japan, shit taste, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:31:12 2010 No.4387790 >>4387774 Eva-Beatrice showed up yet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:31:39 2010 No.4387787 >>4387774 Were the hell are you?

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:32:12 2010 No.4387797

>>4387780
Considering the trend of ignoring the real world in favor of the meta as the episodes go on in Umineko, I'd say he feels very strongly that it's a romance story with a mystery subplot, rather than them being on equal footing.

Your typical Scooby Doo episode has more mystery elements than 6 did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:33:12 2010 No.4387798 Only good things about Episode 5 are Erika and Dlanor. Everything else feel like Ryuukishi just found a new way to drag thing around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:33:12 2010 No.4387799 >>4387609 >Erika was just some stupid Mary Sue anon was right about that part

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:34:12 2010 No.4387810 >>4387552 I like it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:35:12 2010 No.4387813 >>4387797 Umineko isn't a mystery. Also, Ryukishi warned us about EP6. "It will focus on the story rather than the mystery" or some shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:36:12 2010 No.4387819 >Playing Umineko is like going to Macdonald Then, what's similar to going to a good restaurant?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:36:12 2010 No.4387822 I'm pretty sure the people on Erogamescape hated ep. 5 because they are all butthurt Angefags.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:36:12 2010 No.4387824 >>4387819 Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:36:12 2010 No.4387826 >>4387819 Reading a real book, like Twilight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:37:12 2010 No.4387831 >>4387822 More likely they are just butthurt mysteryfags, which is why EP1 is so high.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:37:12 2010 No.4387834 >>4387819 Planetarian

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:37:12 2010 No.4387835 >>4387638 is there "Umineko Spoilers part 1"? This shit is hilarious

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:38:12 2010 No.4387836 >>4387822 All of Japan's Umineko faction is a butthurt Angefag. They like their incest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:38:12 2010 No.4387840 File: 352 KB, 700x723, 8932.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387799 Erika is more of a subversion of a Mary Sue than anything else. For one thing, all of the characters hate her. Featherine, on the other hand...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:38:12 2010 No.4387843 >>4387831 Episode 1 is high because people came from Higurashi and had good expectation for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:39:12 2010 No.4387845 >>4387609 >Erika >Marry Sue It's cool using words you don't understand huh?

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:39:12 2010 No.4387848

>>4387836
Not really. Battler/Ange was never quite as popular as Beato/Battler, though "brocon" Ange used to be widely considered canon.

You pretty much never see any fanworks with Ange fawning over Battler anymore. She's pretty much only paired with Amakusa now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:40:12 2010 No.4387852 >>4387845 >Marry Sue

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:40:12 2010 No.4387853 >>4387836 Aren't they over it by now? Ryu even threw them a bone and put her back in the story.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:41:12 2010 No.4387858

>>4387848
The EP4 manga is filled with brocon Ange though.

Seriously, she hulks out over someone touching her hair ties and she doesn't give a shit about her family.

Kind of like how Battler freaks out at Erika for touching Beato's ring and he doesn't give a shit about his family compared to earlier games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:41:12 2010 No.4387859 where is OP's source anyways?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:41:12 2010 No.4387860 >>4387848 I'm glad there is no more Battler/Beato with Ange butting in fanart anymore. Shit was annoying as hell.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:42:12 2010 No.4387864

>>4387843
But EP1 was...not that good. It had suspense and mystery, but the pacing was god awful and it had the worst technical writing of any Umineko installment so far, which is pretty terrible.

Pretty much all of EP1 was like this:

"We shouldn't move the bodies because the police might need to investigate!"

We decided not to move the bodies because the police might need to investigate the crime scene.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:42:12 2010 No.4387868 >Touhou. >similar to going to a good restaurant A ha ha oh wow

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:43:43 2010 No.4387870 File: 378 KB, 1156x750, 8107447.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387859 http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=583874

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:45:12 2010 No.4387882 >EP5 at bottom I was starting to think I was the only one who though this episode was a letdown.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:45:12 2010 No.4387883 >>4387826 I know that you are just trolling bro, but I still raged.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:45:12 2010 No.4387884

>>4387864
That's why I wrote "expectation".
Umineko had a lot of hype after Higurashi, you just can't realize how big Higurashi was.
And the first episode of Umineko, despite its quality, ended with a SERIOUS SHIT START NEXT EPISODE, IT'S GOING TO BE EPIC.
That's why people gave good ratings to this episode.

And that's why episode 2 is so low.

You may not realize but Umineko lost a lot of the fanbase that came over from Higurashi, I even doubt it's going to get a console adaptation or spin-offs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:45:12 2010 No.4387886 >>4387860 Oh, completely agreed. The "BEATO AND ANGE ARE RIVALS" thing was ridiculous as well, because they never acted particularly competitive in canon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:46:12 2010 No.4387887 >>4387864 In the end, episode 1 was the less magic-influenced of all games.. i'm pretty sure the majority of answers are hidden there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:47:12 2010 No.4387897 >>4387887 That doesn't really impact whether is was good or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:48:12 2010 No.4387902 File: 45 KB, 380x247, 1197558123169.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >EP1 = EP4 EP1 was boring as fuck. Fuck you Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:49:12 2010 No.4387911 >>4387884 Umineko is still pretty popular, even if Higurashi was more successful.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:50:12 2010 No.4387914

>>4387902
EP4 had some comparatively boring scenes too. I mean, I was one of the three people that didn't mind Ange's flashbacks and shit, but when you have them in between Krauss punching goats and people being awesome and that stuff it looks like shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:51:12 2010 No.4387923 >>4387887 Remember when Battler started with his theories in the tea party? At the time it seems like he is making shit up, but it's almost ridiculous how close he gets to what happened in the episode. Specially with Kanon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:51:12 2010 No.4387924 I liked EP1, the suspense at the end was pretty cool. If anything I think the worst was EP4, what with the horrible pacing and boring Ange back story that just goes on...and on...and goddamn I even like Ange but really that shit went on forever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:51:12 2010 No.4387928 File: 228 KB, 640x480, Looking pretty cool there George.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387914 That's true, but I don't know, the awesomeness of most scenes made up for that for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:52:12 2010 No.4387934 >>4387914 EP4 had pacing issues, but I liked the concepts behind Ange's neverending backstory and the last few hours of EP4 were by far the best part of the question arcs.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:52:12 2010 No.4387935

>>4387897

To me it was good because it was the best one in hiding things. The other were good because Beato raged a lot and gave quite a magic outcome.
Loving the mistery or the magics best?

And i'm pretty sure no one made a scientific exam (like Erika did the first time she popped out ) to the first episode when it came out fist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:53:12 2010 No.4387937 >>4387928 For a second that made me stop wanting that fatass cockblock to die.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:54:12 2010 No.4387947

>>4387923
Battler by the end of episode 1: rational thinker, despite being gullible.
Battler by the end of episode 4: GET UP BEATO! I WANT TO FIGHT YOU A BIT MORE EVEN THOUGH YOU WANT TO DIE AND I WANT TO LEAVE! I'LL REACH THE TRUTH WITH MY THEORIES ABOUT SMALL BOMBS!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:55:12 2010 No.4387951 >>4387947 Yeah, somewhere along the line, Battler went from Dawkins, to Ichigo. THIS ISN'T HOW I WANTED TO WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:56:12 2010 No.4387955 File: 69 KB, 638x479, chiisaibakudan2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387947 At least Battler acknowledges that he seriously fucked up along the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:56:12 2010 No.4387958 >>4387884 >Umineko lost a lot of the fanbase that came over from Higurashi really? the recent Umineko poll had 13261 votes, and the last Higurashi poll had 13642 votes

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:57:12 2010 No.4387966 File: 786 KB, 1357x821, 1261251771175.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm a shipperfag in a sea of Erikas. Just thought I should put that out there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:59:12 2010 No.4387975 File: 115 KB, 424x600, rel_0126.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387966 Shipperfag brofist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:00:12 2010 No.4387989 >>4387966 Well, Ryukishi looks to be forming some bullshit where Beatrice comes back completely, despite Featherine saying it wasn't possible. But who says the red text is for the truth, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:01:12 2010 No.4387990 File: 129 KB, 500x572, 1261251278615.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387975 FUCK YEAH SHIPPERFAG BROFIST

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:02:12 2010 No.4387997 File: 127 KB, 693x800, 1261254593381.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387966 I'm a shipperfag who wants Beato to be dead and Battler to be a fucking crazy magic hobo. Do I still count?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:02:12 2010 No.4387998 >>4387958 You don't see how big a fanbase is like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:02:12 2010 No.4388000 >>4387989 she said Beatrice couldn't be revived, in red and she didn't revive, since Battler treated her as an amnesia patient, the miracle occured and she remembered, therefore, it didn't violate the red

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:03:12 2010 No.4388008 File: 846 KB, 1254x827, 5858160.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387966 What a coincidence, I'm an Erikafag in a sea of shippers. Seriously, at least pick something better than Battler/Beatrice for fuck's sake, fandom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:04:12 2010 No.4388011 >>4388008 I like Erika/Dlanor, Ange/Mammon and Lambda/Bern.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:04:12 2010 No.4388015 >>4388008 sorry erika, you aren't a choice anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:05:12 2010 No.4388018 >>4387998 But Umineko's fanbase is pretty big regardless. Just look at how many fanworks there are on pixiv. Umineko may not have sold or been received as well as Higurashi, but it still has an incredibly dedicated fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:05:12 2010 No.4388019 >>4388011 Now this I'm okay with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:06:12 2010 No.4388023 File: 22 KB, 228x180, 1266156975570.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Please don't let this thread turn into a ship thread. Please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:06:12 2010 No.4388025 Honestly I don't see how anyone sane could like the pairings in Umineko. ShannonxGeorge and JessicaxKanon are dead boring and BeatricexBattler is just completely contrived and seem to go from a to z without any pauses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:06:12 2010 No.4388026 File: 1.73 MB, 1800x1230, 8107444.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388008 I like both Battler/Beatrice and Erika/Dlanor, so fuck you.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:07:12 2010 No.4388029
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>>4388000
It still feels ridiculously contrived.

Or rather, it is ridiculously contrived. She can't be revived, so he makes a tabula rasa Beatrice, and she somehow downloads the memories or something, sure, okay then.

I just look forward to the totally needless drama of him fulfilling his promise to kill her at the end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:08:12 2010 No.4388035 >>4388029 ...dude, the Beatrice in EP6 is the same being as the Beatrice we've always known. She's not a clone or whatever the fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:08:12 2010 No.4388036 >>4388026 I like both of these pairings as well. Though I'd like them best if it was more of a foursome situation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:08:12 2010 No.4388037 >>4388018 Yeah, dedicated fanbase are the key words. Higurashi was big in the entire otaku world, Umineko isn't but it does have a very dedicated core fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:08:12 2010 No.4388039 File: 13 KB, 110x110, 1265518201035.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388025 >BeatricexBattler is just completely contrived and seem to go from a to z without any pauses Oh no, lets not get into this again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:08:12 2010 No.4388040 >>4387998 Would you vote in a poll about something you have not even read? (other than trolling) or how about by fanarts on pixiv higurashi has 14450 umineko has 23473

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:09:12 2010 No.4388042 File: 228 KB, 800x1000, 6511286.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388008 Well I shipperfag Kyrie/Rudolf, so. well actually I shipperfag all the parent romances, but Kyrie and Rudolf's is my favorite.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:10:12 2010 No.4388046 >>4388037 Umineko's dedicated fanbase is still large. There is more Uminkeo fanart on pixiv than Code Geass fanart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:10:12 2010 No.4388050 >>4388040 Pixiv is still pretty new you know. If it was around when Higurashi was still fresh, it would have far more fanarts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:10:12 2010 No.4388052 >>4388040 Pixiv is relatively new, so judging it on the number of fanarts isn't all too accurate, since Higurashi has been out for years before pixiv came about, while Umineko is a bit closer to pixiv's creation

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:11:12 2010 No.4388056

>>4388029
>I just look forward to the totally needless drama of him fulfilling his promise to kill her at the end.

I must be the only Beato/Battler shipperfag who thinks Beatrice will ultimately die in the end, but Battler isn't going to kill her.

He has no reason to at this point.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:11:12 2010 No.4388059

>>4388035
Which flies in the face of her not being revived.

Featherine said that the Beatrice they knew would not be revived, so the bullshit ways to get around it would be if the body, soul, whatever the hell it is that exists within meta was not the original, or she never fully regains herself as the Beatrice Battler has been with. The latter seems to be happening, so unless Ryukishi is even more of a hack than I originally suspected, there's some discrepancy here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:11:12 2010 No.4388060 File: 139 KB, 600x669, best family.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388042 FUCK YES BEST PAIRING ALSO BEST FAMILY

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:11:12 2010 No.4388061 >>4388046 Umineko's fanbase isn't that large. And don't forget that it's a series of games, 6 games mean 3 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:12:12 2010 No.4388066 File: 110 KB, 800x800, Hanyuu7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4387675 Hey, that was my post!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:12:12 2010 No.4388067 >>4388056 Except Battler promised to kill Beatrice. then again he isn't very good at keeping his promises.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:13:12 2010 No.4388071 >>4388067 The circumstances were very different back then. But I'm also one of the few people who doesn't think he said "I'll kill you" in red, so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:14:12 2010 No.4388074 >>4388059 >she never fully regains herself as the Beatrice Battler has been with Yeah, that was the implication. What's the discrepancy?

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:15:12 2010 No.4388076
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Fuck this shipping.

I'm a BatBea shipperfag, yes. An extreme one, really. But the one thing really making me look forward to later games is Bern shattering illusions as the GM, and Moetrice remembering that Beato wanted to die.

Battler will kill her.

Battler will go totally fucking emo and maybe will rage like a thousand angry suns.

It will be undeniably glorious.

If Beato had stayed dead for just one more game I wouldn't think this at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:16:12 2010 No.4388082 File: 232 KB, 715x1000, 1e968ea719c1353ff89152ef27f3649a26488cf0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388060 BEST FAMILY IS BEST BROFIST

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:16:12 2010 No.4388084

>>4388059
Featherine's red text says: "That Beatrice can never be revived"

The 'that' means Beato from EP 1-5 is incapable of coming back again. The Beato in EP 6 is a clone, just one that was given most of Beato's personality and memories.

Honestly, I can't see why Ryukishi would revive Beato so early on. It's cheap. "Oh look she's dead, but that's okay because she's back good as new at the end of EP 6!" What was even the point of killing her, only to immediately bring her back the very next game.

I doubt she'll stick around. Virgilia said in EP 3 that endless magic can't last forever - only for a certain time. Endless magic is based on belief.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:17:12 2010 No.4388088
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>>4388076
See, this is what I don't like.

You guys are taking Beato's deathwish completely out of context. She wanted to die because she knew a miracle would never happen and Battler would never remember his promise.

But a miracle DID happen. Why would she kill herself after all that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:17:12 2010 No.4388089 >>4388076 but didn't Battler 'kill her' already in ep5 She died because he couldn't save her, so he did kill her

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:18:12 2010 No.4388094 >>4388076 >If Beato had stayed dead for just one more game I wouldn't think this at all. God, I know right? It's like she's the new Rika. Ryukishi can't bear for her to not be in an episode.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:18:12 2010 No.4388095 >>4388084 >The Beato in EP 6 is a clone, just one that was given most of Beato's personality and memories. Whoa. No. That is pretty much the exact opposite of what happened. Have you played EP6 yet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:18:12 2010 No.4388099 File: 454 KB, 800x600, 1264637069572.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388088 DEM HIPS UNRELATED NINJAMAKUSA

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:18:12 2010 No.4388100 I just can't take any of this seriously as long as they have those silly leg tattoos

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:19:12 2010 No.4388105 I can't wait till R07 finally reveal that the fiction theory is true and that even the meta-world is part of this fiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:19:12 2010 No.4388108 >>4388089 With how much Ryukishi likes to dick around with wording, no, he didn't kill her. He was certainly a large factor in weakening her, but Bern + Erika were undeniably the ones who dealt the killing blow, so to speak.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:19:12 2010 No.4388109

You guys are hilarious.

During ep 5 spoiler time: BAWWW I HATE YOU RYUKISHI UMINEKO IS RUINED, YOU KILLED THE BEST CHARACTER YOU FAG

After the patch: WOW THIS EPISODE IS AWESOME BAWWW BEATRICE I'LL MISS YOU

During ep six spoilers: WOW THIS SUCKS RYUKISHI WHY DID YOU BRING HER BACK UMINEKO IS RUINED, YOU FAG

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:20:12 2010 No.4388113 File: 109 KB, 1280x720, 1248414537138.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388105 My rage will be heard all the way to his room, in his parents basement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:21:12 2010 No.4388119 >>4388109 We're tsundere for Ryukishi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:21:12 2010 No.4388121 >>4388105 I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:21:12 2010 No.4388125
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>>4388095
I have.

The game says that Moetrice is amnesiac Beato. She gets an imaginary friend, who is the spirit of the Golden Witch (pre-game with Battler). Moetrice remembers the promise Battler made to her and a 'miracle' happens and she becomes Beato again.

except we're forgetting who regulates miracles in this game

And Beato does want to die. Virgilia explained it in EP 5 - she wanted Battler to end her life/legend. It's not about thinking a miracle won't happen. She wants to die.

>>	John Smith Mon Feb 15 14:21:12 2010 No.4388126 >>4388042 I hate shipping for the most part, but this I'm okay with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:22:12 2010 No.4388128 >>4388109 Because people believe whatever they hear without actually playing. That's why people really believed Battler was the antagonist after EP5, and why people still believe EP6 gave us ANY new info about Battler's real mom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:22:12 2010 No.4388131 >>4388109 >YOU KILLED THE BEST CHARACTER But Battler came back in the same episode, so no one cared.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:23:12 2010 No.4388139 >>4388125 >and she becomes Beato again. I think people are jumping to conclusions about this. Considering she was switching back between moe and troll mode the way she was, there was clearly something "off" about her.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:23:12 2010 No.4388140

>>4388109
Only shipperfags bitched about Beatrice dying, and even then, when such a major character dies a little over halfway through the story, especially in one like this, they're guaranteed to come back.

It was more like:

During ep 5 spoiler time:I GUESS THAT'S WHY THE CALLED IT /END/ OF THE GOLDEN WITCH ROFL xD

After the patch: Well, I'm sure she'll make her triumphant return, fucking up Bern in 7 or 8

During ep six spoilers: Wait, what? Why is she back already? This is ridiculous, she was dead for like, twelve hours only, where is the dramatic build up?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:24:12 2010 No.4388142 So, are you guy going to hate Umineko once it will reveal that ShKanontrice and fiction are true?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:24:12 2010 No.4388144 >>4388042 If you ship Rudolf/Kyrie, you also ship Battler/Beatrice. Just look 1) Independent women who are always saving their shitty husband 2) Dumbass husbands who cry and can't do anything right. 3) Kyrie dies a lot. So does Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:25:12 2010 No.4388153 >>4388142 I'm already aware Shkannontrice is true. I don't believe fiction end for a second.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:25:12 2010 No.4388154 >>4388139 Well Moetrice has Beato's memories, but she is still slowly getting Beato's personality. It doesn't really matter, because she'll probably die again anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:25:12 2010 No.4388155 >>4388142 More than I already do.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:26:12 2010 No.4388159

>>4388140
>Wait, what? Why is she back already? This is ridiculous, she was dead for like, twelve hours only, where is the dramatic build up?

I'm not even a shipperfag and this made me rage.

Ryukishi, I'll accept that you're not aiming to write a mystery, sure, whatever. But that is not how you fucking kill and resurrect characters.

The impact would have been much greater if she had stayed dead for EP6 and maybe seven.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:26:12 2010 No.4388166 >>4388153 You should start, it's already painfully obvious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:26:12 2010 No.4388168 >>4388144 But Rudolf has been shown to be pretty competent, unlike his femme son. It's just that Kyrie is so incredibly awesome, that it overshadows the fact that he's a very capable man by himself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:27:12 2010 No.4388170 >>4388144 I ship both so this works out for me. Also they're the same people, so of course that's how it is. Kyrie is the culprit and Kinzo = Rudolf = Battler = Amakusa.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:27:12 2010 No.4388173 File: 335 KB, 853x480, Beato laugh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388140 No, I'm pretty sure my post was accurate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:27:12 2010 No.4388177 >>4388159 Agreed. It isn't like there was no way to include Beatrice in the story, even if she wasn't physically around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:29:12 2010 No.4388183 File: 23 KB, 199x350, 9-926435c0e9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] George x Gaap is the only thing I shipperfag. Bat x Bea is sweet, but it just doesn't do anything for me, man.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:29:12 2010 No.4388185

I agree that I would've rather had Beatrice dead for all of EP6 than the Moetrice plotline.

It wasn't terrible, but it was rather sloppy at parts. And considering the best parts of the Moetrice subplot involved Battler grieving over Beatrice, those could've been kept even if she had just been dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:30:12 2010 No.4388189 >>4388168 Well I do give you that. Guy can shoot a gun, thats for sure. Plus its mentioned that he regularly applies Devils Proof and that Battler got it from him, along with chessboard flips from Kyrie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:32:12 2010 No.4388202 >>4387552 > According to Japan There really are lots of opinions on this topic. IMO 100 people have about 30 opinions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:32:12 2010 No.4388206 Moetrice is not amnesiac, it was said that she's a young version of Beato, and if she experienced 1000 years of life, she could become like the true Beato, but it's nearly impossible because the experience would be different.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:35:12 2010 No.4388225 >>4388206 This. Would Battler really want to put Moetrice through 1000 years of Kinzo rape? He's a nice guy. He wouldn't wish that on anyone except maybe Bern.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:37:12 2010 No.4388245 >>4388225 But Battler is Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:38:12 2010 No.4388256 >>4388245 So he just has to fuck Moetrice a lot until she starts trolling him. Then he feels bad and time paradoxes himself with his sorcerer powers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:46:12 2010 No.4388311 >>4388256 >>4388256 >>4388256 It's...it's beautiful...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:49:12 2010 No.4388337 >EP3 > * I'm okay with this

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:50:12 2010 No.4388357 You guys are real faggots. EP1 is boring EP2 is a bit better EP3 is god tier. EP4 is good. EP5 is awesome and EP6 is meh.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:51:12 2010 No.4388370 File: 13 KB, 150x181, youlostme.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388357 >EP5 is awesome

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:52:12 2010 No.4388378 >>4388357 Go back to /a/ and finish your shonens

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:56:12 2010 No.4388406 >>4388370 >implying it isn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:58:12 2010 No.4388415 File: 101 KB, 640x480, IT'S USELESS.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388406 It isn't. It's the most boring episode after EP1. Literally nothing happens until the end.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:59:12 2010 No.4388420

>>4388370
Eh, well Shirou you see... when mommy and daddy love themselves very much, but they're tired of the same old routine, having a major change in the story, perspective and roles is something very positive for the story. Also, it's natural for normal humans to start 'rooting' for the main character, specially when his abilities to understand what the fuck is going on are increased.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:00:12 2010 No.4388421 >>4387780 What the fuck are you spouting from that silly mouth of yours, boy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:01:12 2010 No.4388425 >>4388415 Different guy than you're replying to, but I guess it depends on what you read Umineko for. I thought EP5 had the best character development and theme study, so it was my personal favorite, even if the first half was slow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:01:12 2010 No.4388428 File: 26 KB, 600x338, 1265860991399.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388415 >Literally nothing happens until the end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:02:12 2010 No.4388432 >>4388420 riiight... this thread makes no sense anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:02:12 2010 No.4388433 >>4388421 You can't possibly tell me that most mysteries have well-developed characters and themes. They're pretty much all just mysteries and have little other literary merit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:02:12 2010 No.4388437 File: 31 KB, 704x400, FALCON KICK.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388415

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:03:12 2010 No.4388443 File: 308 KB, 640x480, HNNNNNG.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388428 >>4388425 Well, I guess it's pretty cool if you like Natsuhi being moe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:03:12 2010 No.4388444 >>4388433 For any genre, the majority of the stories are shit or mediocre. So, whatever Ryukishi tried to indicate, he stills ends up writing shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:04:12 2010 No.4388450 >>4388444 Please tell me what is so terrible about Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:05:12 2010 No.4388452 Man, the crowd that stays off of /jp/ to avoid spoilers is so much better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:05:12 2010 No.4388453 haha this people are trying to be cool or something saying that everything is shit? that makes you more stupid than you already are ya know?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:06:12 2010 No.4388464 >>4388453 >this people

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:07:12 2010 No.4388470 >>4388453 Just ignore them. It's the same faggots over and over again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:13:12 2010 No.4388512 >>4387552 >Japan I don't care.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:14:12 2010 No.4388519

>>4388450
I have reposted this shit too many times, but here we go.
CLUSTERFUCK.
CLusterfuck in the writing, switching viewpoints and narrative too many times, switching timelines, switching between meta and real world. Not done seamlessly.
Custerfuck of themes. Traits of a mystery, romance(which is possibly his worst thing to write), morals etc.
Clusterfuck of atmospheres. Jumping too much between drama, OVER THE TOP HAAAM, lighthearted, silly comedy in inappropriate times within the main story.
Big turn off point being the jump from episode 4 to 5 and 6. From hints about a development or possible understanding between Battler and Beatrice you get KINZO THE SECOND UWOOOH who does everything for Beatrice, and will be explained later on. So you just have to accept a logic jump.
Secondly, R07 using themes he has a poor grasp of. Logic arguments, subjectivity of statements etc, used like someone who attended a philosophy class twice. It's just bad.
Finally, R07 pandering to himself too much, pretending he cleverly deconstructs mystery settings when he just writes disjointed bullshit that only makes sense on his mind, pretending that you should argue between fantasy and mystery, when if 'mystery' is a true part of the story, it makes most of the themes and situations pointless or retarded.
Also, retroactively changing conditions and characters too fucking much, which makes following the narrative a chore.
I won;t comment on the characters themselves, it's a whole different cookie.
With each episode, he adds more to the overall clusterfuck. There.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:17:12 2010 No.4388538 File: 22 KB, 180x180, 1262957461476.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388519 oic

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:17:12 2010 No.4388540 5 > 3 > 4 > 1 > 2 Haven't read 6. 4 would be better than 3 if I didn't hate Ange so goddamn much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:18:12 2010 No.4388549 >>4388519 haters gonna hate

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:18:12 2010 No.4388551 >>4388519 Are you the samefag who is always whining about Beato/Battler?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:19:12 2010 No.4388557 >>4388551 Dunno. I doubt there is a single person either way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:20:12 2010 No.4388561 >>4388549 >>4388538 Not the same guy but he is pretty right. Ryuukishi jumps around too much and he does have a pretty weak grasp of the concepts he try to use.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:20:12 2010 No.4388563 >>4388549 It's not about hate, it's dislike.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:22:12 2010 No.4388578 File: 14 KB, 214x251, fascinating.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388519 If I still like it, what does that make me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:23:12 2010 No.4388588 So why do you think Ryukishi has a weak grasp of logic?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:24:12 2010 No.4388603 Ep5 is just a poor excuse somehow labelled as "episode" to introduce the new character alignments to the readers.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:24:12 2010 No.4388607

>>4388578
Hard to say.
You may just have bad taste.
You may be able to follow the narrative easier for some reason and have it make sense.
You may just like the characters and want to see what happens(focusing on interactions and the outcome only).
You may have just invented ine the first two and a half episodes where it did not jump the shark and you feel obligated to like it.
Maybe you are just bored and you like it since you do not have many better things to do.
Maybe it's a combo of the above.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:26:12 2010 No.4388619 File: 371 KB, 640x480, umm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388607 Actually, I think I'm just going with the flow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:27:12 2010 No.4388629 >>4388619 Going with the flow/trends and reading it does not explain why you like it though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:29:12 2010 No.4388644 File: 15 KB, 346x282, 1265234342430.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388519 >>4388607 >>4388603 >>4388561 >>4388444 Haters gonna hate, etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:30:12 2010 No.4388652 >>4388644 What's the 'etc'?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:31:12 2010 No.4388664 >>4388652 More variations on the basic message that those who hate will continue to hate, without love it cannot be seen, and so on and so on. Use your imagination. Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:32:12 2010 No.4388670 File: 9 KB, 120x177, 1265035881378.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388629 Maybe I just don't care how bad it gets. Which probably means I have bad taste.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:33:12 2010 No.4388685

>>4388519
Agreed that the technical aspects of writing need work, but I disagree about his themes not working. He's been very clear about them since day one, and nothing in the text conflicts with them.

I suppose I can see how the different tones can be a turn off, but for a lot of people it's what makes Umineko so enjoyable.

>From hints about a development or possible understanding between Battler and Beatrice you get KINZO THE SECOND UWOOOH who does everything for Beatrice, and will be explained later on.
That's not really how it happened. You should play EP6 before complaining about it.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:34:12 2010 No.4388694

>>4388664
...So people who disliked it will continue to dislike it and not magically change their opinion is your point? Profound.
>>4388670
That may be it.
Or maybe, you have not read anything similar to compare it to and novelty factor kicks in.
Who knows.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:36:12 2010 No.4388704 File: 33 KB, 499x480, Ange.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388519 Without love, it can't be seen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:36:12 2010 No.4388713 >>4388694 Or maybe, you should stop stating your opinion as fact and accept that Umineko is good.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:37:12 2010 No.4388714

>>4388685
I did.
The jump is made regardless and R07 wants you to accept and all in good faith will be explained later, since actual development is part of the 'big reveal package' most probably.
It's not ILLOGICAL, is abrupt and leaves a bad taste. Sacrifices coherent narration for unloading the bullshit in the end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:37:12 2010 No.4388716 You know, all the opinions I've seen describing why someone dislikes Umineko have been valid, but also pretty subjective. You should all grow up and stay out of Umineko threads if you don't like the series.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:37:12 2010 No.4388718 >>4388704 So without loving it, you cannot like it? Fascinating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:37:12 2010 No.4388721 Umineko is enjoyable thanks to the theory threads. Seriously, how many of you would keep reading it if it wasn't for all the attention it gets in /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:38:12 2010 No.4388724 >you have not read anything similar to compare it to and novelty factor kicks in. Can you recommend something similar?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:38:12 2010 No.4388727 >>4388721 I would. How can you not just love Umineko?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:38:12 2010 No.4388728 >>4388721 /jp/ is kind of ruining Umineko for me, actually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:39:12 2010 No.4388733 >>4388716 I read part of the series, liked it and was disappointed later on. This is not a 'theory/plot development' thread, it's essentially an evaluation one. You want only the ones who love it to offer opinions in threads?

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:40:12 2010 No.4388738

>>4388519
>Big turn off point being the jump from episode 4 to 5 and 6. From hints about a development or possible understanding between Battler and Beatrice you get KINZO THE SECOND UWOOOH who does everything for Beatrice, and will be explained later on. So you just have to accept a logic jump.

You're seriously going to start this?

Have you actually played the games, or are you just going by the general trolling opinion that, much like everything else in the world, Umineko is pure shit?

Not mad, just disappointed that this topic is coming up yet again. There's usually 50 posts after that stating every single point in the series where Battler and Beato indicate that they love each other. Our shipperfags are fucking dedicated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:40:12 2010 No.4388740 Umineko is a 8/10 VN. Good enough but it lacks a little something. It never makes you cry, it never makes you shit bricks, it lacks the things that could really put the reader over the edge. But it's good enough, and the soundtrack is amazing.

>>	Lucaribro !!mcWTvAPCt96 Mon Feb 15 15:40:12 2010 No.4388741 My favorite episode is episode 25, have you guys really not finished watching the series yet?

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:40:12 2010 No.4388743

>>4388733
I'm not taking about this thread in particular. I mean in general.

What's even worse is when there is a shipperfag thread going on, and people feel the need to come in and start whining about how terrible Ryukishi is in writing romance. It's immature.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:40:12 2010 No.4388745 >>4388741 Subtle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:41:12 2010 No.4388752 >>4388743 I'd say shipping is a bigger problem in itself. I know people who like the overall story but think the romance is bad, why should they not pitch in?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:41:12 2010 No.4388754 In my experience, the people who dislike Umineko are the ones who follow the Shkannontrice theory. Typical.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:42:12 2010 No.4388758 File: 77 KB, 642x484, Ange it's useless.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388740 >It never makes you cry Ange, Beatrice >It never makes you shit bricks too many moments to list

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:43:12 2010 No.4388759 >>4388754 ...That makes little sense. If you do not like it, why would you care for the theories? I doubt any theory would fix actual problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:43:12 2010 No.4388760 >>4388752 Because it's a SHIPPING thread. If you don't ship, don't join it. If someone made a Battler/Erika thread, I would stay away from it instead of going in and talking about how much I hate the pairing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:43:12 2010 No.4388767 >>4388758 More like laugh at them. And just having SUDDEN UNEXPECTED DEVELOPMENT WOOT does not mean it's a good one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:44:12 2010 No.4388773 >>4388758 You have a problem if you cry for Ange or Beatrice, seriously. And there is no brick shitting scenes in Umineko. At most you could argue the Beatrice trolling in episode 3 but it was fucking obvious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:44:12 2010 No.4388777 File: 67 KB, 630x472, loved.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388740 I have cried and shat bricks reading

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:44:12 2010 No.4388778 File: 282 KB, 640x480, uu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388740 >It never makes you cry, it never makes you shit bricks If this didn't make you do both you're one soulless fucker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:45:12 2010 No.4388779 >>4388760 SHIPPING does not mean only positive opinions about the pairing. If someone has a decent argument why it does not work, why not? Disregarding trolls and 'You are all faggots' comment, nothing you can do about them.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:45:12 2010 No.4388781

>>4388740
>It never makes you cry

Have you seen the threads on here where people just full out admit that they cry every time they hear worldend solo or Yakusoku or Thank You for Being Born? Just because they remind them of the fucking devastating moments in the game.

Of course, you're not going to realize that they're sad if you're sticking with the stance of "it's shit." Look at it with a little love, goddammit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:45:12 2010 No.4388785 >>4388778 Perhaps. Maria and Ange either tire me or make me laugh at their 'misfortune'

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:46:12 2010 No.4388789 >>4388778 I facepalmed at how fucking stupid this arc was. I got the "explanation for what magic really is". But if you cry for this, you really need some help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:46:12 2010 No.4388794 >>4388781 We have seen people crying when Sakutarou is torn. That does not mean much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:46:12 2010 No.4388795 >>4388740 Cross stitching, burgers, sancastles, "uu," and many more.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:46:12 2010 No.4388797

>>4388779
Because if people are having fun in a thread about their favorite pairing and you really have nothing better to do than go rain on their parade and convince them that they shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the things they do, that's really pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:46:12 2010 No.4388799 File: 499 KB, 1086x768, Ange and Beato.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388773 >>4388767 I figured out the problem with you guys. ....without love, it can't be seen.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:47:12 2010 No.4388801

My only problem with Ryukishi is that he relies too much on the rule of cool thing.
I mean, you can't just think like "ADD AWESOME SHIT, INSTANT QUALITY" for every scene you don't know how to portray well.
Just look at the Battler/Erika confrontation at the end of ep5.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:47:12 2010 No.4388803 manchildren crying at picture books /jp/ is so pathetic wish i never came here

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:47:12 2010 No.4388805 File: 9 KB, 693x397, 1214227324249.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388789 >But if you cry for this, you really need some help. You're seriously telling me that didn't move you one bit. And I'm the one who has problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:47:12 2010 No.4388806 >>4388781 Lots of faggots cry for anything and everything. I consider myself more to be a more "normal" indicator than these people. Nothing in Umineko really managed to move me, except the soundtrack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:47:12 2010 No.4388808 >>4388789 Stop trolling

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:48:12 2010 No.4388815 >>4388799 Are you gonna repeat this constantly? Perhaps the problem is 'If it cannot make you love it, it will obviously not be seen since you will not fucking care'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:48:12 2010 No.4388818 File: 145 KB, 850x598, Ange save.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKWf_20Lkg&feature=related

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:48:12 2010 No.4388820 >>4388806 >I consider myself more to be a more "normal" indicator You really aren't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:49:12 2010 No.4388822 >>4388805 'UUUUUU, momma is hitting me it works, gonna repeat UUUUUUU' Yeah. Abusive slut mom and retarded daughter, perfect combo for drama.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:49:12 2010 No.4388825 File: 416 KB, 704x400, see you again.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388815 Go away, Bernkastel. Come back when you get a soul.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:49:12 2010 No.4388826

>>4388805
>>4388808
This whole scene was so fucking telegraphed you could see it coming from miles ahead.
Seriously it was like watching a sappy scene from a shitty sitcom that was very obviously made to make you cry.

So yeah, if you cry for this you have some real problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:49:12 2010 No.4388829 File: 243 KB, 580x800, Happy family.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:50:12 2010 No.4388835

>>4388519
>From hints about a development or possible understanding between Battler and Beatrice you get KINZO THE SECOND UWOOOH who does everything for Beatrice

Christ, even the anime showed it.

The end of EP3. DEEN, the most anti-shipping entity of them all, showed Beatrice hesitating to troll Battler. She was reluctant.

DEEN managed to grasp their relationship, but not you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:50:12 2010 No.4388836 File: 414 KB, 500x843, Ange 13.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388826 Without love, it can't be seen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:50:12 2010 No.4388838 >>4388825 Sure, burger girl that manages to get hated by everyone. Good luck in your loving imaginary world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:50:12 2010 No.4388839 >>4388822 Oh yes, an abused eight year old girl, the epitome of rational judgment and decision making.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:50:12 2010 No.4388840

This thread only further continues to prove my point.

"I found the scene with Maria sad."
"LOLOLOL IF YOU FIND ANYTHING IN UMINEKO SAD YOU ARE MENTALLY RETARDED"

It's fine that you don't like Umineko, but why do you feel the need to stick around in thread after thread and convince everyone how terrible it is? It's an opinion. You're entitled to it. Everyone else is entitled to theirs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:51:12 2010 No.4388844 File: 244 KB, 800x600, Bat and his imouto.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PDGz9egt4

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:52:12 2010 No.4388848 >>4388835 The problem is that you think this JUSTIFIES THE JUMP. The problem is BATTLER, you fucking idiot. Hints and indications exist, the omitting of the actual DEVELOPMENT is the problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:52:12 2010 No.4388850 File: 81 KB, 594x540, 1265043478279.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388826 You're wrong. >>4388822 You're trolling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:52:12 2010 No.4388852 File: 730 KB, 1000x877, Ange rescue.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:52:12 2010 No.4388853 >>4388838 butthurt antifantasyfag

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:52:12 2010 No.4388855 >>4388840 Because the ones who like it never try to convince others, only the haters do. Right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:52:12 2010 No.4388857 >>4388835 I think his problem isn't that there is no hint of the relationship. Only that it goes from one extreme to the other. And I agree. Seriously, it's a question of gradual development.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:53:12 2010 No.4388860 >>4388848 The development is there. You just ignored it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:53:12 2010 No.4388861 File: 268 KB, 704x400, Ange point.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388848 No, anonymous. You are the idiot. Never post in an Umineko thread again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:53:12 2010 No.4388865 >>4388850 Sure man, it's not an absolutely forced scene of senseless characters and situations. It must be trolling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:53:12 2010 No.4388866 File: 298 KB, 1050x1050, Ange and Beato2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:54:12 2010 No.4388869 >>4388860 So did R07.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:54:12 2010 No.4388871 File: 365 KB, 600x825, Ange 16.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388865 Is that you, butthurt antifantasyfag?

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:54:12 2010 No.4388872

>>4388855
Of course that isn't that case, but nobody would have to be convincing anyone else if people who hate the series just don't go into threads for a series they hate.

I hate Baka to Test. I think it's ridiculously generic, unfunny, and mildly offensive. So what do I do to keep myself from getting worked up about it and attacked by legions of rabid fans? I don't go into their threads. It's brilliant!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:54:12 2010 No.4388875 >>4388861 Yes, a 'NO U' post will convince me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:55:12 2010 No.4388878 File: 134 KB, 579x800, Ange 6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:55:12 2010 No.4388884 >>4388857 Things were pretty gradual. . Battler was still claiming they were nothing but rivals at the end of ep. 5, even if all his actions went against that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:55:12 2010 No.4388886 >Kasumi It doesn't matter if she is a character who came from nowhere and doesn't feel realistic at all. She serves her purpose in the story!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:55:12 2010 No.4388887 File: 177 KB, 600x600, Ange 14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:55:12 2010 No.4388890 >>4388872 If you actually watched it, no matter what your opinion is, you can express it. 'Only lovers flock in' is a stupid attitude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:56:12 2010 No.4388891 >>4388872 You should go back to /a/

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:56:12 2010 No.4388899 File: 49 KB, 350x371, Ange 12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:56:12 2010 No.4388902 >>4388865 How is it forced and senseless, when both parties' motives are explained at the beginning of the episode?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:57:12 2010 No.4388909 File: 220 KB, 600x472, Ange 10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:57:12 2010 No.4388911 >this thread EEEH MAJI ANTI-FANTASY

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:57:12 2010 No.4388916 >>4388890 If there's a thread where it is appropriate to do that, then yes. Going in to tell them how much the episode they all loved sucked and that they all have terrible taste? What is this, elementary school?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:57:12 2010 No.4388920 File: 294 KB, 410x639, Ange 10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388902 He's an idiot. Don't bother.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:57:12 2010 No.4388921 >>4388902 Sometimes it's the narrative that does so, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:59:12 2010 No.4388934 File: 333 KB, 806x1068, Kung fu Ange.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H1GFlGDFzE&feature=related

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:59:12 2010 No.4388938 The romance did have development and hints all throughout, but nearly everyone but shipperfags ignored it because it was 1)meta and didn't matter or 2)fantasy and never happened according to mysteryfags. Don't cry about it now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:59:12 2010 No.4388939 >>4388916 If you can say why, why not? The whole fucking point is that everyone can jump in to state what he wants. If he actually has followed the content, he should do whatever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:59:12 2010 No.4388941 File: 64 KB, 640x360, Ange railgun.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:00:12 2010 No.4388948 File: 142 KB, 526x742, ange loli.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:00:12 2010 No.4388956 >>4388938 It's not a matter of 'There is text, but we ignore it'. If you try to retrace it, the jump exists. This is borderline shipperfag logic. 'She hesitates to kill him'->'OMG THEY ARE MARRIED'

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:01:12 2010 No.4388958 What's this /jp/? Crying with Umineko? You remind me of people who claim to have cried with Final Fantasy VII. I mean, damn, I like Umineko, but I wasn't expecting this from you.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:01:12 2010 No.4388961

>>4388939
Because it's rude, especially when you're not only stating your own opinion, but saying that everyone else with a different opinion is mentally challenged. There's no need to get so worked up over it in the first place, let alone bring other people who are enjoying themselves down with you.

But I guess it's too much to ask people on an anonymous imageboard to be a bit respectful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:02:12 2010 No.4388962 File: 262 KB, 704x400, Problem.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388956 >>4388958 Without love, it can't be seen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:03:12 2010 No.4388969 >>4388958 And I was expecting /jp/-goers to be emotionless drones, but not to this point. Jesus fuck I hate all of you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:03:12 2010 No.4388970 Feeling compassion for your enemy =/= Being completely in love

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:04:12 2010 No.4388984 File: 43 KB, 960x540, Beato smoke.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4388969 >And I was expecting /jp/-goers to be emotionless drones, but not to this point. Hehe, same here. Even /a/ is better than this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:04:12 2010 No.4388988 >>4388956 I don't really see any jump. You are skipping ep. 5 completely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:04:12 2010 No.4388993 >>4388970 You're a bit past the point of "compassion for an enemy" when you are feeding someone tea and talking about love letters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:06:12 2010 No.4389008 >>4388993 That's the point. Why did he start doing those things right after sworing to kill her in a rage?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:07:12 2010 No.4389011 >>4388970 But that's not all he felt for her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:07:12 2010 No.4389015 File: 9 KB, 211x142, Battler 7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4389008 Ugh....did you even READ Umineko? You're sounding like an anime-only person here.....

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:10:12 2010 No.4389030 >>4389015 Yes, I've read from 1 to 5.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:11:12 2010 No.4389040

>>4389008

I know your heart is too dark and bitter to understand, but a reasonable person with no feelings for someone else would not feel compassion for someone like Beato with what she supposedly did and the shit she was saying about Ange. The fact that he did should tell you something. He also jumps at any chance to think she's not a bad person.

The point is he liked her before he tried to kill her in ep. 4. Ep. 5 showed that he missed and liked the person she was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:11:12 2010 No.4389041 >>4389030 Obviously not. Otherwise you wouldn't have said such a ridiculous thing. Battler and Beatrice's relationship started in episode 2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:12:12 2010 No.4389048 >>4389008 Battler realized her cruel actions didn't really have consequences, and that she did what she did for a reason. That, and the fact that he's not a complete asshole.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:13:12 2010 No.4389059 >>4388984 >>4388969 Please go back to wherever you came from then.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:15:12 2010 No.4389076

>>4389040
>>4389041
Said by battler himself in the ep4 (or something like this):
"There were times like I felt we could understand and respect each other in this game. But now I see it clear. This person is my enemy. I'll never misunderstand that again."

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:16:12 2010 No.4389093 >>4389076 Maybe you accidentally failed to notice, but he still wants to kill her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:17:12 2010 No.4389108 File: 17 KB, 625x471, tsundere lovers.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4389076 And then in EP 5 he's crying over her death and calling her a tsundora

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:19:12 2010 No.4389125 >>4389076 Battler is retarded and doesn't even understand his own feelings for most of EP5.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:19:12 2010 No.4389131

>>4389093
Not in the same way, at the very least.
When he promised it, it was along the lines of "This bitch is my enemy, she has tortured me and my family, so I'll kill her and leave this place as soon as possible!"
Now it's more about stopping her suffering.
I haven't read ep6, so I may be wrong.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:20:12 2010 No.4389137

Sigh.

THE STEPS OF BEATO AND BATTLER'S WHOLE LOVE THING, PRESENTED IN A CONDENSED AND SIMPLE STEP-BASED FORMAT

Battler and Beato are rivals. Battler is both horrified and intrigued by Beatrice and her game.

They spend more time together. Beato teases Battler a lot and he likes her cowtits. Physical attraction.

Beato starts her moe act, and acts deredere towards Battler. He falls for both her and her plan, and he falls for both hard.

Because he's so incompetent, Beato's plan ends up hitting Battler worse than it would have otherwise.

Battler tries to hide his feelings for Beato now that he's been trolled. He does so poorly, and no one is fooled.

Ange shows up and is killed off. Battler is more than a little pissed off at everyone, including Beato, but he is not a total douchebag so he doesn't just say "fuck this shit" and leave the metaworld.

EP4 tea party. Beatrice asks Battler to kill her. He agrees. Beato is showing Battler her most vulnerable side, without any kind of trolling attached.

There's a chunk of time missing in between the end of EP4 and the start of EP5. Granted, you have to look at this with at the very least a neutral attitude, but Battler's been given enough time to get over the shock of Beato suddenly being cold and lifeless instead of lively and fucking noisy. Just a little bit, though. He just gets over it a little bit.

Battler truly realizes that he now feels different - empty, even - now that Beato's gone.

Sandcastles. Battler hulks out and is a fucking sorcerer now.

EP6. Battler doesn't even have a comatose Beato to sit beside any more. He's pretty goddamn crazy now. So when he tries to revive Beato and it doesn't go perfectly, he rages.

But then he gets over his rage, and while the weddings are happening, they kind of just join in. It's not the most serious thing ever.

Better now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:21:12 2010 No.4389163 Did some people miss the point in the earlier episodes where Battler said he'd rather have a girl who was slightly antagonistic than one like Shannon? A girl who would bicker with him? Because I think some of you missed that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:23:12 2010 No.4389178 >>4389137 >without any kind of trolling attached. We still don't know that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:24:12 2010 No.4389186 >>4389163 >slightly antagonistic And now you're going to tell me that a person who claims to be torturing and killing you and your family (what Battler thinks about her in episodes 1-4) is "slightly antagonistic".

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:24:12 2010 No.4389187 >>4389178 It's most likely. Unless R07 picks up ZUN's drinking habits, then it's 99.9% guaranteed not to happen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:25:12 2010 No.4389195 >>4389186 No. No, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to tell you that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:27:12 2010 No.4389216 >>4389213 Hey, look. A new thread. Well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:30:12 2010 No.4389238 >>4389216 This one got 316 replies, pretty impressive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:39:12 2010 No.4389329 >>4388740 Delayed as fuck, but I dont care. If you didn't at least /feel/ like you were gonna cry at one point or another (Beato, Ange, hell even fucking Sakutaro) then you are one emotionless bastard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:27:12 2010 No.4389722 File: 307 KB, 768x1024, 7690292.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0GcrXqat2Y

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